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Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Angels page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- MisterRandom2 (Talk) 03:12, August 16, 2012



If you have time, care to come to the wikia chat for a bit?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|Twilight Despair 5 (The God of Creation)]] (talk) 01:06, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

  • Sorry I'm too busy.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:11, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

It's understandable. When you have time, can you please comment either on the blog or on a message about this blog. I am not one of those like "Hey, look at this idea" but I do like other feed back. As it helps to remove common sepeculation on topics to where, we can write unbias in the articles when, topics are not simple or open and closed.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|Twilight Despair 5 (The God of Creation)]] (talk) 01:20, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

What's going on, dear editor? This wicked 'witch' wasn't a witch, she was a fairy. Thanks for your contributions, keep up the good work. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:20 PM, October 30th 2013

  • TECHNICLY she was both. She was referred to as a witch and they said there were other evil witches in Oz. Obviously she was a fairy-type witch or something like that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:22, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm.... How can she be both? It's like saying a bird's both an Angel and a bird. But, she can be a witch-like fairy or a fairy-like witch. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:25 PM, October 30th 2013

Alright, stop![]

Stop going to talk pages and saying, "Very poorly written!" First of all, if they're poorly written, FIX 'EM, DON'T yammer and fuss that they're poorly written! Second, these users try very hard to help contribute and I don't mean to put words into your mouth, but basically what you're saying is, "You're senselessly editing, let the qualified guys handle this." Thanks for all you do for this wiki, I appreciate it. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:45 PM, May 27th 2014

Hey! Don't ignore me. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:24 PM, May 30th 2014

Another Chance?[]

Hey, WarGrowlmon18. After I lost my admin rights a while back, CalebChiam said that later on, if the community was alright with it, he would return my rights. It has been nearly half a year since then, and I am requesting my rights back. I am leaving a message on the talk pages of established users, to see who is and isn't alright with me becoming an admin again. Twilight Despair 5 said that he is willing to give me another chance, and said he sees that I have improved since that time. RaghavD said he wouldn't be comfortable with me being an admin, however. FTWinchester said that the wikia needs a lot of help, and would be comfortable with me having rights, but he is unsure about the admin rights. I know I messed up last time, but I am asking you to give me another chance. I think everyone deserves a second chance, and promise I won't do anything to mess it up this time. What do you say, will you please give me another chance? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:40, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't even remember you so I don't know what you did. I'm also not an admin so that's not my choice. I'm only an admin on Gears of War Wiki and I don't know how I even landed that position.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:30, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to be an admin to place a vote. You are a user here, so you get a say on what happens as well. I'm not going to get into exactly what happened, as I don't want an argument to arise, but I used to have admin rights, until I screwed that up, and now I am asking the community to give me another chance. The bureaucrat CalebChiam said he would return my admin rights of the community was fine with it, so I am trying to see who is willing to give me another chance. I think everyone deserves a second chance, and am asking you if you will please give me another chance? Please, your input matters. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:44, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Battles[]

Sorry I could not get to you sooner. Yes, I have noticed an increase in activity/editing for that category and I thank you so much for doing so. I have had several plans that I never had time to act on and I must say I am more than satisfied with what you have done so far. I've always liked "Battle" pages as it highlights key events, major players and alliances. FTWinchester (talk) 13:20, November 5, 2015 (UTC).

Its contents are canon. Sue the titles are conjectural but its structure is based on canon plot and that alone so I don't see why it would violate rules of the wikia. And yeah, great work on those! I hope we could expand on our own wiki's category in the future--not too soon though, the revival of the x vs y threads is driving me off of here. FTWinchester (talk) 11:43, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't understand the last part of that comment about the x versus y thing, but yeah I agree about keeping those pages. I don't understand the problem some people were having with putting those pages on there. I'm gonna do a bit more work on that, but like I said before I don't intend to do the entire series, at least not right now, that's too much work at this point.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:38, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah sorry. I meant the archangels vs leviathan fiasco. It's flared up again. It always does whenever we get an influx of new writers. Dear God I hope that debate dies. I don't even want to participate anymore, I am just duty bound to do so because I don't appreciate editors disregarding canon. And I will post on the discussion pages for the battles. FTWinchester (talk) 22:08, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • I didn't even know about that. Ugh. Well thanks for the support. Really.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:36, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • What are you so angry about? Which question have I not answered yet? Which discussion page because I am responding here to you and I also just posted on the talk page of capture of brady. I have always responded on the other contributor's page, not on mine. That was how the wiki worked when I started here. FTWinchester (talk) 22:40, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, that's all I wanted to know. I really don't know how this discussion page thing works, I don't really use them too much. Hate getting involved in discussions like that as its usually pointless like what you said about the whole Levi/Archangels thing (there's seriously a discussion on that when its not even a topic covered by the show???!!!) and when I do its on the discussion pages for the various articles. I usually don't respond to messages posted here or similar places on other Wikis as I never see the point and I can never seem to get an answer (not just from you FYI) when I do post here on the Wikis in response to comments about whether the people are watching my talk page or not. As I post in both places, I can never tell if its because I posted here or on someone's own talk page that I get a response and no one tells me. It just frustrated me, that's all because I can never get a response when I try to find out. That wasn't all your fault.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:45, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, that explains why you haven't answered my message to your talk page on Buffy wiki. And I do respond to messages on my talk page, I just respond on the other talk page. I do not have time here as much as I used to in the past so do not be paranoid if I don't respond right away. FTWinchester (talk) 22:48, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Hell, I haven't even been on that Wiki in awhile. If its something like a warning, I don't bother responding, not unless its something I actually care about. I posted the first comment about the battle thing to you as you started that section. I never intended to get into a debate with anyone about that but it turned into that. The comment on the Capture of Brady page in response to you where I mention that it wasn't the right place for that discussion wasn't meant to be aimed at you by the way. I know you know that. That was aimed at everyone because that really wasn't the right place for that and I just didn't feel like adding a separate comment for that. Wanted to make sure you knew that. Only reason I even caught that discussion was I happened to be working on the page at the time it was started. If I hadn't as I was only paying attention to the category discussion page (I don't have an email linked to the Wikis by the way which is another reason I may not get messages unless I'm paying attention to that particular wiki or get a message about something posted to my talk page at the top of the page like I do every time you respond here) all that work may have been deleted without me getting a say. I had to put up a fight to keep it as I'm sure you noticed and I had already done much of the work I've done in that category before they did that discussion. They waited awhile to say something and posted where I may not have even noticed if I hadn't been paying attention. That wasn't right in my opinion either especially since I had to fight to save the section and it could've been ended without me getting the chance because of where they decided to hold the discussion.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:54, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

I really like how you continued the Battles Category/Articles. Keep at it! FTWinchester (talk) 20:03, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Again I apologize I never managed to continue my work there. I'm happy somebody dedicated and competent picked it up! To think some members even voted to have them deleted before! FTWinchester (talk) 20:07, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

And with about double my contributions, too! Congratulations, man. FTWinchester (talk) 20:14, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks from me[]

Hey WarGrowlmon18, I really appreciate what you are doing for this wikia. I wanted to thank you for your efforts and know that I support you for what are you doing, good job! SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:31, November 9, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

  • Thanks. I do what I can. I'm always a major contributor to Wikis when I'm interested in the subject. Got Administrator status on the Gears of War Wiki in fact though I don't know how that happened. I've been doing what I can with the battles but I've been busy so I haven't been able to finish the one I started a couple days ago. It was late at night and I had to go to be for work the next day. I'm gonna finish that one tonight though and am planning on turning the Rising of the Witnesses into a battle page as well since it really is.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:08, November 10, 2015 (UTC)


Hey WarGrowlmon18, I am not going to revert but I'd like to mention few things.

I don't think regular angels can use white light. When an Angel lost his or her grace, they become human but they still contain some powers. (super strength, telepathy, telekinesis...) It might be same as for Seraphs as well. Even when they are demoted they could use it but in a lower degree. That's my opinion and we never saw other regular angels when they were using this ability.

Gadreel used white light. Astral projection cannot explode and break stuff. He incapacitated demons and killed them with the Knife. You said that: "That's covered under the Astral Projection thing as if he ACTUALLY used that power, he'd have killed those demons and he used the knife instead." As I said before angels can control the power level of that ability. Lucifer knocks Cas out, other angels smite and they let some survive just like Naomi did that to waitress girl.

Lets talk about Metatron now. Crowley is a crossroad demon but he has more abilities than other ones. Metatron isn't a complete regular angel. His didn't lose any of his powers when he left Heaven. He was able to erase Enochian sigils. That isn't an actually proof that regular angels are able to use it.

Thanks for reading, I'd like to read your opinions about this topic and lets edit according to a mutual decision. We can ask admins opinions about it if you'd like to.

  • Actually the thing is Metatron is the Scribe of God but without the angel tablet he's not particularly powerful. He indicated that he's not very strong when he told Cas that he's not a fighter and needs Cas to help him with the "trials". He was no match for the Nephilim and was easily captured by Naomi and her followers. He did kill Naomi, but she was expecting him to be tied down so he likely caught her by surprise, especially since she was stabbed in the back of the head (never got how that drill thing killed her or how he escaped). He also didn't do any fighting except using his white light to rescue Kevin without the power of the angel tablet behind him. His own followers also easily defeated him when he lost his Godly powers. Cas didn't seem to think it would be a major problem to defeat him without that power as well. Other angels have shown powers that Cas lost the first time he Fell since the Fall and they aren't high-ranking. I mean low-level minions showed Smiting (Holy Terror when Bartholomew's angels kill Malachai's potential vessels) and Cas lost that quickly when he Fell in season 5. Cas was using the Grace of regular angels and was only stated to be back to full power once he got his original grace back. The Wiki listed him as a regular angel again until he got that so there's consensus there. I agree that Gadreel is more powerful and is likely higher ranking, but we don't know his rank for sure as its never stated and honestly I doubt it ever will be since he hasn't even been mentioned since his death. If he used White Light, he'd have killed those demons on the spot. That's too powerful an ability to have simply stunned them and caused that level of destruction to the diner. Those were low-level minions not powerful demons. They only had an edge due to their powerful vessels and using guns. Gadreel was also very weak at the time so I doubt he'd want to use such a power since that sort of thing would really weaken him. I mean if Resurrecting Cas and Charlie weakened him a lot then that definitely would.
  • Oh and I think your pissing people off with your actions. The other day I saw a message posted to I think FTWinchester's talk page asking for the Admins to do something about you.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:23, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
  • Another note about Metatron not being particularly powerful: he fled the instant he lost the angel tablet and Sam swung an angel blade at him. If he really was a powerful angel, he could've beaten Sam even without the power of the angel tablet when he didn't have Dean or other backup behind him. Metatron seemed kind of afraid when Sam swung that blade at him. The Ward erasing thing is because he's the Scribe of God, he said so himself. Being the Scribe gave him that special ability but that seems to be about it. The Holy Fire trick and other major powers he showed were stated to be due to the angel tablet.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:26, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh and Metatron himself basically said that aside from being the Scribe of God, he's a regular angel. He said he was in the secretarial pool or something like that when he was given that position. It always seemed to me "Scribe of God" was more of a job description than anything else and because he did all the, well, scribing for God, he learned a few tricks. Nothing more. He wouldn't stand and fight without the power of the angel tablet, relying on Gadreel to do his dirty work and using surprise and Cas for other fights. He never fought directly when he had the chance without the angel tablet. I mean he fled Sam swinging an angel blade at him. Angels don't usually do that. Hell, in The Third Man an angel simply teleported behind Sam when he pulled one out. If Metatron was powerful enough without the angel tablet, he could've taken Sam in a fight. He could've disarmed him of the blade or something and smote him. He fled instead. He also didn't try to fight Cas in Heaven but tied him down instead and incapacitated him so he wouldn't have to fight. Tyrus also showed a low opinion of Metatron and his abilities instead of any kind of respect like one would give a higher-level angel.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:35, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
  • Firstly I agree with Metatron part. He isn't very strong but in terms of ability, he was more advanced than other angels. Sam wasn't able to defeat him to be honest. He could just throw Sam away, instead he chose to end Castiel. His strenght was same as regular angels. About white light, it isn't take a great effort to use as we see a weakened Cas was still able to use it. You imply that power was just Astral Projection. Astral Projection doesn't effect the background. Just shows the true nature of the supernatural being. About Gadreel, I think he was a Seraph since his appearence was same as Seraph Cas. Also he was pretty strong and other regular angels lost their wings but Gadreel didn't. Also when Cas was fallen at the first time, he wasted himself by using banishing sigil on his own vessel. Some of other fallen angels were at the same situation as Cas at that time. By the way I had some issues with some users but I never sweared them nor insult them. Some users just don't like me. I don't know why I made you mad... SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:48, November 16, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
  • Metatron's situation is same as Crowley's. They both have more abilities than their classes. Being the King of Crossroads/Scribe of God granted something else apparently. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:53, November 16, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
  • Also if you want you can check my edits, I always edit neutrally and I have no intentions to corrupt the Wikia. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:53, November 16, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
    • Actually Crowley was in charge of the Crossroads Demons, but he didn't seem to have any extra powers from it. As King of Hell he gained additional powers like Metatron gained additional powers from the angel tablet, but besides having a few abilities like Warding Removal, Metatron didn't seem to have anything a regular angel wouldn't. You also completely ignored my point on how regular angels have shown powers that being cut-off from Heaven deprived Cas of before. I think they dropped that idea a long time ago since the angels should've been cut-off but still retain those powers with no explanation. And again, there's consensus that Cas was a regular angel until he got his own grace back as he was listed as such after his return until Book of the Damned and he had that white light power in The Executioner's Song. Pretty sure that's also what he used to blast down the Bunker door to save Megatron.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:32, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
    • Missed the first part of the message. Cas was near-powerless when he did the banishing trick. The other angels still had full power long after the Fall. Metatron had a look of fear on his face when Sam swung that angel blade at him before he fled. As for Gadreel, he had broken wings. Cas had the same when he regained his grace. I think it was retconned so the angels still have their wings, but just broken, not gone completely. Tamiel also possessed the power to teleport. That's on his page which I wrote but did not put there. The Fall affected all the angels on Earth so they lost their wings, not just the ones in Heaven. They retconned a lot of things recently like the Reapers being angels now when before they were said to be a separate class of being.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:36, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Battles Template[]

You ever tried editing an old Battle page of mine and only ever got broken links on the template once you apply the changes? FTWinchester (talk) 13:48, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

  • Don't think so. Don't think I ever really touched your battle pages. Why???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 14:20, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • I wanted to resume working on the pages but I needed to update some of my previous work. However, doing so causes breaks in the links, not to mention editing wasn't as streamlined as before. FTWinchester (talk) 01:20, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
    • I have some broken links on my battle pages but those are just ones I haven't gotten around to writing yet. Honestly, I'm a little hooked on Heroes Reborn at the moment since Supernatural's been off the air for awhile but that hasn't.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:41, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
    • We might have to either switch the templates or recode it. I have the time to write the pages but I don't think I can work on templates right now. FTWinchester (talk) 01:53, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Grammatical errors[]

Why are you purposefully inserting grammatical errors into articles? Specifically, I'm referring to your capitalizing random pronouns in the middle of sentences.

Orion (T-B-C) 18:18, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

  • Not done on purpose, sorry. And not totally sure what you mean either as a result. Example???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:21, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Here, for one. You capitalized "he" in the middle of a sentence.
Orion (T-B-C) 18:22, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Oh THAT. That was about God. Generally people capitalize he and him when talking about God. Not really sure of the policy on these Wikis for that so I just did it that way too.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:59, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
While you may have an argument for capitalizing pronouns referring to God (although it's still grammatically incorrect, you could claim it to be a religious thing), there are no arguments for capitalizing pronouns referring to a a fictional TV character.
Orion (T-B-C) 19:09, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, now I know not to do that. Honestly, its easier not to I just wasn't sure if I was supposed to.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 19:13, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. The last guy I told this to didn't even bother replying to me, so I had to report him.
Orion (T-B-C) 19:15, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
No prob. It was simply a matter of not knowing how it was preferred here. At least your willing to work with people who make mistakes. Another Wiki I'm on??? Admin's a total dick and I think there's only one. Anywhere I could make a report about a Wiki Admin you know of??? Because I really need to. This guy runs his Wiki like none I've ever seen before, is unwilling to work with me, he just says what I do wrong but refuses to elaborate on how to fix it. Blocks me and comes up with excuses why not to unblock when I ask to work with him to fix what I do wrong... Oh ignores me for weeks then gets pissed when I don't get back to him right away. And his response to me calling him out on it is more of an "how do you like it" thing than an appropriate response. I'm an Admin myself on the Gears of War Wiki. Its not right to treat people like that!!!--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:21, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure how it's preferred here, but I do know it's grammatically incorrect to capitalize any pronouns (except "I") in the middle of sentences - regardless of whom they refer to. As for your situation, I don't know of a way to get Wikia to demote an admin. Short of contacting a bureaucrat of the same wiki, or the admin stepping down on his own, I'm not sure it can be done. You could just try contacting Wikia and see what they say.
Orion (T-B-C) 20:40, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Anywhere I could make a report about a Wiki Admin you know of??? You can contact the Wikia staff here: --Lambda1 (talk) 21:22, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I intend to.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:49, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

God isn't using a vessel[]

You actually took what Metatron said there seriously.... At best, it was an assumption he was making. God isn't using a vessel and certainly doesn't need to. -- Thescarypea, 6:25 PM, May 17th 2016

You sure??? Metatron called that form his Chuck meatsuit or something like that. Meatsuit's what they tend to call vessels on the show. Amara needs a vessel and she's God's older sister.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:57, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Realize, after she was released, she was pretty weak from how long she was trapped, and now, at this point, while not needing it because of how powerful she is, just keeps it. -- Thescarypea, 10:15 PM, May 17th 2016
Okay.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:36, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Non-Canon[]

I am neither an admin nor a bureaucrat. You'd have to ask them.

Orion (T-B-C) 17:58, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Per your message to Blaze.[]

While I was watching the wiki, I noticed your message to Blaze. It should fine if you do that, so long as the pages are marked as non-canon. Furthermore, Blaze cannot give you "permission", the wiki is community project, you can create the page. But someone may contest it, if so refer them to this message, and debate with them. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:04, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Understandable. Admins will have the word "Admin" by their name, on their user and talk pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:16, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

By here I assume you mean message walls, and of course we can. What else would you like to discuss? Zane T 69 (talk) 03:26, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

I've contacted FTW already, via talk page. I've asked Caleb if we have grounds for Desyopping TD5. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:36, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

If you want, and only if YOU want to. You can feel free to complain to Caleb too. I want you to know I'm not trying to coerce you, that's why I capitalized you. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:40, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

It was a miscommunication. I've suggested TD5 and I get some rest and talk tomorrow, when calmer. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:51, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

  • Uh you sent me so many messages here that I'm confused now. Who's Caleb for one thing??? And what's Desypopping???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:13, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Caleb is the wikis B-crat. Desyopping is removing admin rights. I withdrew my request. Since the issue is resolved, I suggest we all forgive and learn from this. I also apologize for my part in the debate. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:32, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you can request Rollback rights from Caleb. That simple. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:54, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

No problem. Congratulations. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:25, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

I was wondering what your opinion on this is? Zane T 69 (talk) 15:49, November 7, 2016 (UTC)

Who? Caleb? He's simply very professional, and he's somewhat inactive and makes his time here count. Also, thank you for giving your support. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:42, November 7, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, he's just proud of his work. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:48, November 7, 2016 (UTC)

I responded on the pages talk page. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:17, November 23, 2016 (UTC)


Hey WG18, thanks for your contributions and your efforts recently. Helped a lot. SeraphLucifer (talk) 09:55, October 15, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer


Zane and I, realized there was some miss communications on the talk page. So without being my normal long winded self I apologize for thinking you accused me of something. I misunderstood that post I copied.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|Twilight Despair 5 (The God of Creation)]] (talk) 04:08, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

  • That's something I guess.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:11, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

I checked your reverts and that anons contributions were actually valid. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:36, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, your not in trouble, we'll chalk that up to the learning curve. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:45, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

It's still fine, your not in trouble. You know now and that should prevent further incidents. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:13, January 1, 2017 (UTC)


Hey WarGrowlmon. You have been granted use of the rollback tool. Please keep in mind that rollback is a tool for reverting vandalism and is strictly for that purpose only; good-faith edits should be undone with an explanation in the edit summary. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 03:05, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Implosion[]

Honestly, by the looks of it, the instances listed in the page all looked different from each other. The most accurate in terms of the actual meaning of the term seems the be Metatron's case. Lucifer using it on Castiel and Godstiel using it on Raphael doesn't clearly display they "imploded", merely they were annihilated/obliterated. As for the Darkness using it on the angel, it looked more like the angel disintegrated. I'm sure they're all similar displays of power, but I don't think "Implosion" is the appropriate catch-all term. FTWinchester (talk) 16:40, November 10, 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, the whole debate confuses me. You and FTW need to debate this yourselves; I don't want it to seem I'm trying to "over-rule" or interfere in his personal debates. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:38, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, then. You can split the page, but, as FTW is a senior Admin he reserves the right to over-rule me and revert the edits. I just didn't wanna cause problems between my fellow Admins. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:01, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

I don't remember all the instances. I do trust your judgment, however. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:00, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I think due to Mercury' body not being shown, (atleast to my memory) he could have simply had his throat slashed with TK. I agree that Luci blew up at least one Pagan deity and Castiel. If Amara blew someone up, then I say molecular combustion. I'm afraid I haven't been watching much of the older Episodes recently. I've been writing fanfiction. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:26, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry, I meant to reply on your talk page. It looks pretty good. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:08, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what to do on the page. I'll try something though. Honestly IDK about what Crowley did, IMO he's just a weak but clever demon. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:29, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know how too. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:13, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know why you told Zane I haven't responded to the "darkness vs angel" scenario but it's right up there on my comment--the angel appeared to have disintegrated more than imploded. Also, I didn't mean that these acts are entirely separate (they are after all, displays of immense power in obliterating a target)--just that the initial term used (Implosion) wasn't a very accurate catch-all term as was displayed. Nevertheless, I like your separation of the articles much better. FTWinchester (talk) 02:54, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the image and I fixed the format of the page as well. You can resize the photo by clicking it from the editor, dragging the upper right hand corner (a resize icon will appear) or clicking the pop-up option bar to edit the photo and then manually input the desired custom size or choose the default size. FTWinchester (talk) 05:02, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

No problem. FTWinchester (talk) 05:07, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

I strongly disagree, here's why. Directly from Calebs userpage no less. "When it comes to vandalism, always look for malicious intent. Remember that not everyone knows how to edit Wikis, they may experiment and add nonsense text or blank a page completely by accident. For an act to be considered vandalism, there are two criteria that need to be fulfilled: (1) the act itself defaces the page, (2) the act itself was fully intended to deface the page - these are two very different things."

As you can see: the vandalism was fully intended to deface the page and vandalism is inherently malicious. He did it multiple times and even edit warred over it; breaking the Three Revert Rule. That's why he was blocked, he broke two rules. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:30, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

His edits were fully intended to deface the page, therefore malicious vandalism. He did vandalize the page and break the 3RR rule. For breaking those two rules: he was blocked, for a mere three days. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:15, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Because I strongly disagreed, with us needing to unban a vandal who's intent was to deface the page. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:45, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Copy/pasted from Darths wall:

Those categories aren't needed. Most pages list who they were killed by, and countless things have been killed by the Winchesters. Thousands of them. It's excessive and unnecessary. The categories for minor characters are unnecessary, also. Azazel, for instance could have a mere section of his page listing those he's killed. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:14, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

I hope this explains my actions, to your satisfaction.

Sorry, meant to post this here; instead of my wall.

I'll consider supporting the idea. Right now, I'm just thinking over another issue. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:30, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

hello i am new here PsychoticPuppetMasters (talk) 06:53, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Brady Schlecker[]

We meet again. :-) I edited page of Brady Schlecker because he was in Ethon as Rand Guard. BTW: I was so glad when I identified him, before some time!


--Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 08:22, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Uh dude, this is the Supernatural Wiki. Pretty sure that's Stargate.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:36, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

I just gave you photo of Brady in Stargate. So you can see he was in Ethon. --Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 16:47, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Apparently we failed understand each other. I added on page this sentence: In 2006 he appeared in Stargate SG-1 Episode (Ethon) but was uncredited for this part.

As proof I gave you that photo from Stargate so you could/can check. --Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 17:27, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Oh... uh okay. I'm still confused why you sent that to me though??? And my response was because on the Stargate Wiki someone sent me a bunch of pictures and asked if I could identify the actors the other day. I couldn't by the way. I thought you were that guy.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:57, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

I was, but I wanted to explain my edits to someone here on Wikia. Since I noticed you also here I wanted also show you that Brady is one I identified before, other 3 remains unknown so I asked in case you know them. --Matthew Bowyer Fan (talk) 16:09, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Uh, okay.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:13, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, then. Lol. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:26, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Clay Thompson needs an image on his page[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18,

I'm a big fan of your work and I was hoping you could do me a favor. One of my favorite pages on this wiki is the clay thompson page. I really like that page but there is no image for the character. i was hoping you could find an image of the character from the show and put it on his page. I would be very grateful and it would make the page so much cooler. It is alright if you don't want I'll understand. If you do try please put a good image. Thank you for your time. 03:56, January 14, 2017 (UTC)Ryan Cruz

  • Thanks for the compliment truly. However, images are one thing I can't and don't know how to do. Look over the pages I've created and you'll see that the images are either copied over from other pages, added by other users or don't exist. I wouldn't even know where to find an image for Clay let alone how to put it here. Your best bet is to message one of the Admins I've been talking to on this page.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:58, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, WG18. I noticed what you said above and wanted to suggest you creating a sandbox to experiment on adding images. If you want to learn, of course. How-to create a sandbox. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:20, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Just thought I'd offer the help. There are plenty of images on the wiki, over 9400 I think. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:14, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Caleb informed me I needed to create a forum for an infinite ban of ImperiexSeed. If you would like too, please register your opinion here. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:28, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

While I'll let Caleb get back to you first, I wanted you to know that you have my support in your eventual RFA. I'd create it myself, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:32, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

Lol, yes you would. BTW, I offered you my support before you could request it. Just look above and compare the times of your post on my page with that one. You deserve to be an admin, your hard working and loyal and have proven yourself as an exceptionally mature and reliable person. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:34, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

Some will most likely research your edits and see if you've ever gotten trouble. I wrote you a pretty glowing letter of support, and I'm sure it will be a factor. I think I was elected with very little support, but I'd like to think I've proven myself a good admin. Yes, I'm sure you will get plenty of support, don't be surprised if you get a lot of support. There are very few truly active admins, mostly Seraph and I. The others rarely come onto the wiki, and most of the work falls to the two of us. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:43, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

Human Witches[]

Do witches count as Human Villains or just Humans? Kajune (talk) 00:09, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

My bad[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18,

I am sorry for copying some of your material. I didn't know it was wrong and I promise to not do it again. I will do my best in the future to not do this again.ChrisG1999 (talk) 02:35, February 11, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Law and Order Wiki[]

Hey Wargrowlmon, we can discuss that topic outside the forum page, what's the user's name? I know Imperiex has few side accounts. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:05, February 18, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I think that's not him and I am pretty sure. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:54, February 18, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Hey. Thought I'd ask your opinion on this. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:01, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually asked them before you. Sorry! It's my thing, I consult active admins on such things, get their opinions. It's an in grained habit. I just suddenly realized... "WG18 will likely be an admin soon, I should get his opinion too!" Zane T 69 (talk) 04:20, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Are you going to link the Colt Bullet Creation Ritual page and the Colt page? I'm only asking because the first is currently an orphan page, a page with no links to it. Those pages are a pain in the butt to deal with for me. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:25, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine. Just making sure. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:28, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

I actually saw a place to put a link also. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:33, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Becoming an Admin[]

Hi. Please follow the instructions here if you'd like to request for adminship. Before you start an RfA however, I'd recommend you read up on our policies and understand the nature of the decision-making processes on Supernatural Wiki (i.e. how consensus is made.) You have a good history of edits and contributions, but adminship requires level-headedness, good judgement and a sound understanding of policies/processes (something you yourself have admitted to lacking.) Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 01:52, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

There's no 'permission' to be granted here. Run an RfA if you wish. Some newer Wikis give out admin status freely because they lack the processes to properly vet applicants; I'm not saying whatever Wiki you were a part of did that, but it matters very little that you have admin status on other Wikis. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 04:16, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do that, just let me check the recent edits for vandalism and stuff. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:13, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, it's done. You need to answer questions and such, here: Zane T 69 (talk) 15:54, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

My advice is to take Caleb's advice, it's really good advice. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:22, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

Just promise yourself not to get angry at vandals and the like. If you view my block notices you'll see that there cold and detached and rarely vary. Letting yourself get angry may cost you your adminship, just don't take it personally and know that someone will vandalize a page and you will likely clean up. It's just a fact of life, but I don't think this will be an issue for you. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:41, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

Theres actually a blocking policy on Caleb's userpage and I copied it onto mine. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:02, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

I was busy last night and was away from the wiki. Let me look into the matter. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:31, February 20, 2017 (UTC)

More advice: When you revert an edit, you should give a reason, especially if the other person reverts it back. Just some helpful advice to make you a better admin: link to minor complaint. This will not effect my support for your adminship, you still have it. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:43, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Hello, WarGrowlmon. I never really left, I just slowed down dramatically in my activity since life caught up with me. I'll be sure to drop a message of support. Good luck! FTWinchester (talk) 17:54, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Seraph, FTW, and I have discussed it and agreed that you may need mentoring for your admin duties. I'd like you to inform me which admin related duties you have experience in. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:35, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try to provide an outline. My ideas of what Admins should do:

  • Scanning/inspecting the edits since your last visit on Special:RecentChanges. This ensures vandalism and other infractions are exposed and dealt with.
  • Patrolling edits via Special:Newpages. I once had to patrol and proof read thirty pages, because I didn't know I had to do that. It took me hours.
  • Check the recently uploaded photos/videos. Doing this makes sure everyone complies with our image policy. Categorizing said photos properly, and inspecting previous categorization to make sure it's accurate.

You can block users from their contributions page of their user profiles, and check their block logs and talk pages for previous blocks and warnings. You have experience as a rollback. You'll need to interfere in edit wars, arguments and properly ensure wikia's over arching rules are obeyed Wikia Terms of Use. You will need to make sure you provide a block reason and warnings for other admins to use as reference and evidence of previous offenses.

Seraph and I do sometimes go into chat and do years old undone admin work/maintenance. It allows us to debate and co-ordinate in moments instead of minutes and allow a wiser usage of time. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:52, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Basically you just check every edit/page revision. IE if a page has one edit, just check the "diff" between pages. If it has multiple you click "hist" and scan/proof-read/inspect the edits.

On Special:Newpages, un-patrolled edits will be in a sickly yellow highlight. You'll need to proof read those pages, then mark patrolled or mark patrolled and then make any changes At the very bottom you will see a yellow link "Mark patrolled" or something like it. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:23, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations. If you'd like a project I think you'll excell at, let me know. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:40, March 4, 2017 (UTC)


Well done updating the wikia. You always do a good job. Always first and always ready. :D Kajune (talk) 02:24, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Another week and another awesome updating from you. Well done as always. Your hard work is appreciated. Kajune (talk) 01:12, April 7, 2017 (UTC)


Congratulations on your successful RfA! You can now do the following:

  • Edit and move fully protected pages
  • Delete, restore, and view deleted revisions of pages and images
  • Protect pages from edits, moves, or creation by non-sysops
  • Block and unblock users and IP addresses and ranges
  • Edit the interface pages in the MediaWiki: namespace
  • View Special:Unwatchedpages

Be sure to brush up on our policies and Style Guide. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 16:17, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Basically I'd like to offer you a small project you could do quickly, along with some minor upkeep on it. Special:Lonelypages, also known as orphaned pages, I have been trying my best to clean up the problem, but you're more knowledgeable of SPN than myself. Basically, the pages there need links going to them. I think I've done over fifty pages, which should no longer be listed there, but I couldn't find the time or a way to do the rest. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:13, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

That's all I ask, just do your best and if there is some left we can delegate to others. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:01, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

If you wanna block Master-of-Spells, you can. He was warned before and I'm about to review his entire edit history. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:07, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

I reviewed his edits and gave him an official warning. That should hopefully wake him up and make him check his actions. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:33, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

The maximum allowed, three days. If you want to use the blocking policy Seraph and I use, it's on Calebs page, and I copied/pasted it onto mine. Caleb would probably be angry if you didn't use it, actually. I disliked it at first, but I've grown to like it and would use it on a wiki if I created one. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:13, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

Nice! Maybe we'll get them as contributer then. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:23, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

If you believe the Lucifer's Cage Spell page needs to be deleted, please follow my instructions. You need to learn how to delete pages. First, click the link to the page, when you do go down to the bar at the bottom of the wiki page. It will say, follow, delete, and My Tools. Hover over "My Tools, and Right-Click "What links here" and open in a new window. This allows you to remove links to the deleted page after or before to avoid red links. Once that's done, click the drop down area on the edit button at the top of the page, and then click delete. That's how you delete a page, if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:18, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

Congratz WG! I haven't been here for a while so I didn't notice your promotion. Wish you the best mate. SeraphLucifer (talk) 03:21, March 11, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

The Deceased category dates back to 2010, the living ones is a new creation by him. I'll begin the mop up of his mess, strike that, Kajune already did. I deleted the new category though, the Deceased one is understandable and worthwhile. The other was pure stupidity. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:50, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

Then he may have tried re-creating the deleted category, if he tries it again I'll block him. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:34, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

In that case, I'll give him an official warning if he does it again, and a three day block if he continues. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:43, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead, I agree that it's viable and needed. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:01, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, WG18. I created a forum to discuss and approve the the Seasons Infobox. Link. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:11, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Boy King[]

Hey WG18, should we add that alias again? I think it is unnecessary since they only called him once and it wasn't really a title type of thing. SeraphLucifer (talk) 09:47, April 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Question Mark[]

Ehm, WG you don't have to use "!!!" when speaking with someone. It is kinda rude. We should be kind against users. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:45, April 7, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I did. I usually block people for three days for blatant vandalism and warn possible vandals. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:19, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

We can try getting the matter passed after the Infobox matter is passed or denied. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:24, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

I will. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:34, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps putting all of a characters kills on a separate page and linking them would be better, the main character pages are already massive and a pain to load and edit. Or was that what you were talking about? Zane T 69 (talk) 01:50, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit on the Shapeshifting page? Sure it was long and perhaps a bit run on, but the way it was before was too short. It talked about how a Shapeshifter can gain the memories of those they shift into that are alive, but it doesn't say how a Shapeshifter shifted into them, by shedding their skin or being able to shift seamlessly like the Alpha.

It was too run on. If you make better sentences so that they aren't run on I won't have to get rid of it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:16, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean "if you make better sentences"? I took that directly from the Shapeshifters page and how would I fo that anyway? It looks fine to me. I don't really know what I'm doing and wouldn't know where to start. You could have revised it yourself or have someone else do it for you instead of reverting it.

Looks like that might need to be fixed then on that page. But also, that page is about the power not the various beings that have it. The power doesn't require a long detailed explanation about what a species can do with it like that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:36, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Well yeah, but it's important to know how they do it. What is there now is way too short and needs a little more detail/info. Saying how a shapeshifter gains the memories of those they shift into as long as they're alive is pretty much what a species does with shapeshifting.

Not really, it just needs a basic description, that's all we do with any of the power pages.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:56, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I'm just saying it have a little more detail. If there should be anything about Shapeshifters shapeshifting it should be how they do it like how it says that ghouls can take a person's form by eating their flesh, rather than that they gain the memories of those they shifted into that are still alive.

Its unnecessary as is this argument.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:47, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

I agree, feel free to create it. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:15, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Did you want the killed by stuff to be a page, sub-listing (Which I strongly oppose), or a category? We do have three major issues, the killed by listing, implementing the Season Infobox, and then gathering support for the Angelbox. I'd like us to find a way to resolve the killed by listing without a forum if possible, so in all likely hood it will be a quick vote. Several have supported the killed by idea, so we could call that soft consensus, and just decide which method to list them. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:27, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Recent changes for archangels[]

Hi WG18, what do you think about the recent changes I made for the Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel and Raphael. In the past, Zane and I talked about removing unconfirmed informations and unnecessary stuff. Also it is known that Michael etc. was a lot stronger than Raphael, I didn't include him since it wasn't directly mentioned. This way we can actually put fully confirmed stuff to the weakness section and avoid edit conflicts. SeraphLucifer (talk) 23:38, April 22, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer


We know that they could be killed, exorcised trapped etc, it is still writing in the general demons, crossroad demons or angels page. The thing is removing unnecessary stuff. It is better to show what was used against them instead of the general weaknesses. SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:47, April 24, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Lance and Colt could stay but First Blade should be removed. I think it is better to keep it short. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:05, April 24, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Sorry, what user? Recent Changes was flooded by Reka categorizing images. And no, they aren't allowed to do that, and you can revert and warn them. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:47, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: If you meant Supernatural4life then he reverted his edits to his userpage. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:49, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

I handled it, and made sure he could move his project somewhere more appropriate. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:55, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Keep an eye on Reka's actions, I suspect she uploads, categorizes, but doesn't use photos to get a higher edit count. I'm thinking of possible punishments and will soon ask if it's against the rules. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:04, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Cast Pictures[]

Uh hi, was changing the characters' pictures to the official ones that they released illegal? Just asking. Touchinos (talk) 16:19, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Oh I see. Well, alright then. Can I use them on the actors' pages instead? Touchinos (talk) 16:25, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Relationships Template[]

Hey, I'm just gonna ask a random admin (Idk who I should ask specifically lol) but I was wondering if it's alright to create a new template like this for the relationship pages so they won't look too empty? I'll do the editing and all that of course :) Touchinos (talk) 13:02, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

I know, I blocked him. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:51, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Go for it. Good idea. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:36, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Lol. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:44, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Celebrating the Life of Asa Fox[]

First time using this so I might make a mistake. I have a question about Supernatural season 12 episode 6 "Celebrating the Life of Asa Fox". In the beginning it shows Mary saving Asa when he was a little boy in 1980 but Mary looks old like she does in previous season 12 episodes. Shouldn't Mary look a lot younger since that scene was from 1980 and in the episode's present its 2016? Thanks 18:04, May 7, 2017 (UTC)Lalo

  • She looked like that in the Pilot three years after saving Asa. The younger versions of her played by a different actress were from 1973 and 1978 I believe it was. Since she was closer to her Pilot age and the original actress was obviously available they wouldn't have had an issue using her.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:54, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Bad writing[]

Pardon me for my bad writing. XD I'm not as good as you, and I barely watched the episode myself. Kajune (talk) 03:30, May 12, 2017 (UTC)

Then write it yourself. Write every single page with missing information perfectly. I won't interrupt. :) Kajune (talk) 03:48, May 12, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Crowley's Fate[]

I thought that it could be Olivette too but that was uncertain. Under normal circumstances, I'd list Crowley as unknown or deceased but it was apparent that he didn't die since no flash light appeared on his body. Also we have confirmation that he will be in 12x23. So I think it is better to list him alive. SeraphLucifer (talk) 07:21, May 12, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

If we have confirmation that he is indeed alive, then I agree that we should list him as alive. Although both of your arguments have merit, and I'm gonna call myself neutral in this now. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:27, May 12, 2017 (UTC)

In the future, please just try to fix up the edits instead of reverting them. I know it's a pain in butt to do; especially on long pages like Lucifer, but the edits were well-intentioned and needed. I will be contacting him also. You aren't in trouble, but you need to go that extra mile if you have the time and if you don't: put it on a to-do list. I know the grunt work gets tedious, but multiple people benefit from our actions and work. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:37, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I understand. I recently resigned as Content Mod on Riordan wiki to free up time. You aren't in trouble, nor am I angry with you, real-life has to take priority. If you don't have time, and it's something like that and let someone fix it later or put it on a to-do list. I hope you're okay and everything, and hopefully you'll have more free time soon. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:45, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Well that's definitely understandable and I'm pleased that you even checked the wiki while at work. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:55, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

I looked into it, and I only saw the proper ritual page that you created. If you still see then I don't know what could be wrong, but just give it a few days. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:21, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

I checked all nine pages and still nothing, I advise you to wait a few days. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:31, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Next time, if I warn somebody and you see it, then just give them a three day block. That would have stopped his misbehavior. If someone removes warnings, please restore them, that is evidence of wrongdoing that they destroyed. Zane T 69 (talk) 13:57, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Still if they continue their misbehavior after I give them a warning, then I need you to block them for three days. We need to improve our team work, and if you need help with something or a request, let me know. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:52, May 21, 2017 (UTC)


Well done with the two family pages. They look beautiful. :) Kajune (talk) 06:04, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

Well done on figuring that out, and did you want to create a list or category? I think that's what we discussed. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:54, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, that's a horrible idea. I'm in favor of creating a list and linking to it from the persons page. Those lists will likely be huge and will make it near impossible to edit longer pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:10, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant. And I agree with your suggestion. Since the idea was already popular in the past, you can go ahead and implement it. That free's up time to vote on the Demonsbox and other work that needs doing; there is a lot of it. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:25, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that would probably be best. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:38, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, I wanted to know if you have any ideas for work that needs done. So far I've identified... Unused photos, under 1000 of them. And I've been working on broken file links. I think it's important to clean up after the previous admins, while still working towards a bright future for the wiki. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:38, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. If you need something to do after that, let me know. I've identified a few problem areas and I'm having to finish up another project that I thought was finished. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:55, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Looks great man. Great work as always! Zane T 69 (talk) 04:20, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

I checked your sandbox and it looks great. If you wanna go ahead and create the proper page and move it's contents there that would be fine. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:40, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

"Killed by {Character Name}" and you can create the category "Killed By Pages" to categorize these pages, which are likely to be five or more. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:27, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Certain other Big Bads would merit a page, I'm sure Lucifer has killed A LOT. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:28, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, all of those merit lists. I think they have killed enough to actually form a list. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:37, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Great work. You've gotten a lot done so far. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:23, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Killed by[]

YES, someone is making "killed by" pages! Great job! Beautiful work. This wikia owes you a lot. :D Kajune (talk) 02:22, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

What do you think about making a "Killed by..." page that has all four Princes in it, instead of one each? Kajune (talk) 11:48, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

Your Killed By section.....I remember the Walking Dead version not having a description. I personally find it a little redundant to add a description when the page already states it elsewhere. Also, if you're aiming to be like the Walking Dead wikia in that respect, wouldn't you add whom the character killed as well? Kajune (talk) 18:16, July 12, 2017 (UTC)


You created a lot of demon pages recently but you didn't add any to the "known demons" section in the Demons page. I insist you do that next time. Kajune (talk) 16:45, May 31, 2017 (UTC)

Looks like I have a skill in naming demons. XD Kajune (talk) 17:09, May 31, 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, did you like the pictures I added? Kajune (talk) 04:44, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Can you give your opinion on this. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:48, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, go for it. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:13, July 10, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, it's actually similar to this, so it shouldn't be an issue. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:38, July 10, 2017 (UTC)

Still. Whenever you're ready to start, go ahead. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:10, July 10, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you. I've even considered blocking him for inserting gibberish into articles and lowering the wikis quality. If you want to delete them, I won't stop you, but just make sure you remove the links going to and from them. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:16, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea whatsoever, you might wanna contact wikia via Special:Contact. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:21, July 15, 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead, you don't need permission for something like that. Zane T 69 (talk) 13:49, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

I really suck at page creating, but I can usually fix them if that makes sense. I'm glad the issues fixed and everythings working for you. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:26, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

One week, up to a month. I usually go for a month to show them the most severe consequence to snap them out of bad behavior. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:14, July 22, 2017 (UTC)

I understand your frustration and that some people just can't be reached, but we have a block policy that is quite effective. It can block repeat offenders for years (total) if they don't behave, while still giving them chances to change. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:40, July 22, 2017 (UTC)

If you're refering to the Karen Singer edit, then that was blatantly unconstructive. His others are okay, nothing exceptional, but worthwhile edits. His Fred Jones edit was speculative, so was the Psychic one. The first was blatantly false, the others were personal opinion. If you want to block him for a month, you can. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:59, July 22, 2017 (UTC)

What other guy? Zane T 69 (talk) 00:27, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Ah. I think Doctor actually behaves better, quite a few of his edits are decent. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:47, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Why did you remove information with a cited source and a reference? Zane T 69 (talk) 21:05, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. It was the Supernatural: Wayward Sisters page, but I assumed it was an accident. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:20, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Parent Tab thing[]

I'm not very good at this, and so far, I think I'll only be able to create a new page under the Major Kills tab, which will end up like this: "Dean Winchester/Major Kills". If you don't mind, I can paste and copy info from the "Killed by Dean Winchester" page onto this new one. What do you think? Kajune (talk) 12:12, July 24, 2017 (UTC) it to work. ;D Kajune (talk) 12:59, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

I guess you're okay with the way Dean's page is now, or do you prefer the original version? Kajune (talk) 19:00, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Do you have any ideas for future Rollbacks? Kajune and Touchinos are pretty much my only two ideas, and we really need more of them to police the wiki. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:26, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I mean those with the rights. We need more of them, so we need to pool a list of candidates and then evaluate them. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:37, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Touchinos does great work. What's wrong with Kajune's page creation? Zane T 69 (talk) 00:45, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll contact them. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:56, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Goodbye Stranger Gaff[]

You corrected an edit of mine to Goodbye Stranger. Sorry. I was binge watching in the middle of the night and must have gotten confused. I must add reference to the Angel Tablet on the Torn and Frayed page. Megstiel, Good Omens fan (talk) 12:30, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

Key of the Order of Letters[]

I changed Key of the Order of Letters article and you reverted it back to its previous state.

While the meaning of the sentence can be gleaned, from a gramatical and factual point of view it's a mess. What about the British Men of Letters? They still existed after Henry's death, even if the Winchesters didn't know about them (after all, the wikia is written from an omnipresent point of view, not theirs). Furthermore, he was not a Men of Letter. He was a Man of Letters, or a member of the Men of Letters, not a Men of Letter. This grammatical error is what bought the page to my attention.

"although the confrontation resulted into the death of Henry, the last surviving Men of Letter, and the temporary incapacitation of the Knight of Hell." suggests that the incapacitation of Abaddon is a bad thing, which it is clearly not. It is the reason that the Winchesters were successful in the first place. For the sentence structure to make sense, the reference to Abaddon should be removed, placed before the 'although' or made to fit into the setence that shows it is a continuation of the start of the sentence, not the digression after the 'although'. I did the latter, as it seemed the easiest way to retain as much of the original sentence.

Of course, I should have gotten rid of the 'the' in front of 'temporarily'. However, my reasons for editing still stand. I could have undone your edit immediately, but that probably would have started a useless edit-war. If you suggest a better phrasing of the sentence than my own, then edit away, but reverting the sentence back to its original state is nonsensical. It's both factually incorrect and hard to understand.

You've changed some of my other edits recently and honestly I understand where you're coming from with them (at least enough not to bother arguing my case in the latter one, as much as it annoys me while watching the episode, and you were definitely correct the first time), but this is different. Megstiel, Good Omens fan (talk) 16:21, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

After reviewing it, I find that I support Megstiel's edit and his reasoning. His edit was worth-while, IMO. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:50, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

I actually don't know what other categories to file those under, but they logically can't be filed under Rituals and Spells, because they aren't either. Did you see the above two messages? Zane T 69 (talk) 16:39, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't reply, I had to do some personal stuff. All your ideas sound good, I especially like the Cures category idea. I guess, since you aren't opposing the matter, then I'll restore Megstiel's contested edit. I actually don't know what other categories to file those under, but they logically can't be filed under Rituals and Spells, because they aren't either. Did you see the above two messages? Zane T 69 (talk) 18:29, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'm having a bad day. You are doing great work though. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:30, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, I personally like "Cures" over "Curing". Zane T 69 (talk) 00:51, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Jeremy Frost and Lily Sunder[]

Actually there is a connection between them because they both lost the ability to dream, only in different ways. Or do you not pay attention to episodes? The Inner Hate(talk) August 29, 2017 (UTC)

An assistance[]

Hey WG18, I hope you are doing well... I realized that you have been working so hard through the Wiki, I appreciate that, great job. So, I am back again and wanted to ask you if there's anything I can help you with? SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:38, September 2, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

  • Nothing that I can think of at the moment, thanks. Ask Zane though. He might have something.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:00, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Soulless Category[]

Hey WG18, I think angels shouldn't be counted as soulless. SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:51, September 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I agree, the sad part is I OK'ed the Category creation with the understand of it being humans who were soulless. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:16, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Why was this done? You removed quite a bit of info. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:26, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:21, September 8, 2017 (UTC)



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Hey WG18, hope you are doing fine... As I know/heard the guy in white suit is Asmodeus in the S13 Promo. Am I wrong or wasn't that confirmed? SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:30, September 22, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer


Thanks for undoing the edit. It didn't seem to work when I did it, so I was about to resort to doing it manually. Dtol (talk) 22:19, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Dr Gaines[]

Why did you revert my edit? Whenever the first death on screen of a certain species is seen on tv, i see it in the trivia section of said character, for example, the angel Uriel and the demon Tom. The Inner Hate (talk) 1:24 am, October 11, 2017 (UTC)

Season 13 Title Card for the main page ( just click the number ):


Omniscience2k (talk) 02:39, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the Edit War on the Jack (Nephilim) page[]

My apologies, I didn't intend to start an edit war with you. My only point was that info on one character's use of their new powers or being leveled up is irrelevant to the same of another's despite the latter being the benefactor. What I was trying to explain was that it would be more accurate to merge the info under Power Granting as the power negation, "increased" super strength and advanced pryokinesis had been "granted" to Cass by Jack. The only logic to include a description of Cass's use of those respective powers for Jack's own in his Power and Abilities section would be if it had instead been "Power Transference" or "Power Channeling" as than for instance, Cass would have literally possessed Jack's strength to overpower Dagon. On a final it would help me to better understand why you undo any of my edits in future if you could give a clearer explanation why you disagree with them as "Stop changing that when its been accepted on here for months" is not a valid reason why it should remain unchanged. Just because something was accepted months ago doesn't mean it's correct now nor can't be changed to at least improve it. Again, my apologies. 09:19, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

Gordon Walker[]

Did there use to be a personality section on the Gordon Walker page? --Pokemonfan201 (talk) 01:28, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

Cause I about a year ago there was.--Pokemonfan201 (talk) 02:06, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

I dunno, sorry. --Pokemonfan201 (talk) 02:25, October 16, 2017 (UTC)


I found a problem with the angel page where if you click on the types of angels box it immediately sends you down the the known angesl. I can not find out why this is happening Thetwindler (talk) 18:25, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

If you want to revert, that's okay. I trust your judgement. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:16, October 29, 2017 (UTC)


Hey WG18, hope you are doing fine... Can we gather all active admins, I'd like to speak about something. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:26, November 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I changed my mind, other admins are kind of busy so I'll speak all of you one by one. Let me know when you are avaiable, thanks... SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:50, November 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Just let me know when you are avaiable, then we enter chat, it is real easy tho. SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:37, November 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Are you avaiable atm? I'll be on chat. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:43, November 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Alright, I'll be sleeping then, it 2 AM here, we'll talk tomorrow. Enjoy your dinner. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:47, November 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re: Billie's new status[]

I don't think we can call her a Horseman unless she states she is one. We only know that she is now the being who controls the flow of life and death in the Universe. Receiving a ring did not turn her into another being. It gave her status as in Dean's case. Otherwise Dean should've been a Horseman since he wore the ring once. SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:20, November 10, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I agree with Seraph, calling her the new Death is okay, because it's confirmed. But the Horsemen are basically defunct and she hasn't actually been called one, so that's speculation or outright false information. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:26, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

If you have proof that he's broken rules then warn/block him. I haven't seen anything wrong with his edits, but you are more knowledgeable on the show. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:45, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

undone edites[]

Why was my edit on First war undone? The show said plainly that The empty was around before the darkness. No reason was given for the undue either so I am left wondering why it was undone. I can't fix mistakes if none are listed.

ThomasNealy (talk) 05:03, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

I changed the topic name becasue I noticed you undid alot of my edits with now reason given at all. the onlhy one that you gave was for Primordials and you stated that it was all ready agreed that he did not go there. I looked at the talk page before I made that edit and nothing was mentioned about that at all. If a dission was made by the Admis and mods it should have been listed on the talk page.

ThomasNealy (talk) 05:07, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Even being an Admin you still must follow wiki rules and the rules state that a reason must begiven for all rolebacks and undues. It is how we learn how to edit better after all. Just undoing the edit with out explination teaches nothing and is frankly a slap in the face for those of us who are trying to help. After reading your own talk page I see that other Admins have said the same thing to you before. Also no need to be rude becasue I made a few typos above. Telling my to learn how to spell is insulting. As it is I would still like an explination on why the undue was done on every edit I made tonight. With out an explanation to what was wrong with them I do not know what was wrong. If you are just going to undue every thing that users out side prolific editers do with out explanation, then what is the point of haveing an open wiki like this?

ThomasNealy (talk) 05:26, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Why did you undo my revision on Lucifer? I added more information about the powers that was already seen

Troubles editing on the Jack page[]

I ran in to some issues with editing the Jack page It kept giving me errors and ended up doing the same edit twice. Could you check to make sure I did not break any thing and that I did not leave or take away things that should not have been?

ThomasNealy (talk) 08:13, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

I am looking forward to your addition on Jack, so I know what is considered ok and what is poorly written. I'm sure I will get the hang of it one day.

ThomasNealy (talk) 08:22, November 19, 2017 (UTC)


The info is listed twice in the same section once in a tab (tab name other) and once below it. Does it need to be listed twice in the same section? Is that not redundant and unneeded? ThomasNealy (talk) 23:35, November 20, 2017 (UTC)

Joshua's personality[]

Hey dude, just curious, why did you revert my edits on his personality section? I was listing all of the ways angels can develop emotions and feelings and stated that none of those that happened to him so it is curious as to how he actually developed emotions/feelings. The Inner Hate (talk) 1:24 am, November 20, 2017 (UTC)

Borrower witch edit[]

Why did you remove my edit on "Borrower Witch". She uses magic to achieve her powers. So they belong as a sub-power to magic. Same with almost every other page. JS0662 (talk) 18:03, November 23, 2017 (UTC)

can you and the other admins way in on the talk topic about gods power in the Empty and Jack talk pages please. I swear if another "god is all powerfull" fight breaks out im going to loos my mind. ThomasNealy (talk) 23:19, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

Blog Posts[]

A blog post can have others categories besides Category:Blog posts? Because this post has the Category:Angels and the Category:Demons, i think that it can't but i can't edit to remove this. Doctor49 (talk) 21:13, November 30, 2017 (UTC)

I fixed it. That was an obsession of mine. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:44, November 30, 2017 (UTC)

Uh, okay :p Doctor49 (talk) 22:58, November 30, 2017 (UTC)


Hi so I have a suggestion, basically I think it would look better if the categories for the episode pages are combined (ex: from "Episodes" and "Season 13" to "Season 13 Episodes"). I know it's nothing major but I have so much extra time on my hands right now (just finished the semester) so I was looking for something to do lol. Touchinos (talk) 15:48, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

sandbox help[]

Can you tell me how to make a sandbox? I saw yours but when i tried it put a link on my page you don't seem to have that.ThomasNealy (talk) 17:27, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Never mind I figured out what I did wrong :) ThomasNealy (talk) 17:35, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Vampire vandalism[]

can you undo the vandilism for the vampire page by I tried but it would not let me. ThomasNealy (talk) 18:41, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Why was my revision undone? Thetwindler (talk) 21:38, December 9, 2017 (UTC) []

can you take a look at this Ip's contributions. I think it has crossed the line to vandalism at this point. ThomasNealy (talk) 13:40, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

I made a mistake[]

can you role back the edit I made on I some how deleted a huge section and did not notice as i kept editing it. Sorry of the extra work.ThomasNealy (talk) 19:59, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not sure how I deleted so much with out noticeing it either. ThomasNealy (talk) 20:04, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

Forum talk[]

There is a discussion occurring on how we should format the Season pages and the episode summaries. Please join the discussion.Click here ThomasNealy (talk) 05:01, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

Season 2[]

Sorry to bother you, but something went wrong with my edit to Season 2, and I'm not sure how to correct it. If it's possible, could you help? Dtol (talk) 22:35, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Corrected it. Sorry to bother you. Dtol (talk) 22:43, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

No, I actually never read the book. Sorry about that; I thought I might have made a mistake so I put it in my edit summary. Dtol (talk) 23:38, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

books and other sources[]

I was wondering if the {{Template:NonCanon}} should be on all pages that came from a book or non-show source, and have no in show link. It seems to be sorta hit and miss as it is. You seem to be the leading the non-show page stuff so I thought I would ask you --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:08, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

These are one that do not have that tag but are part of the Book Characters, category.

I'm sure if I went through the Non-canon category I would find more, and probably more that is not in either category. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:43, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about the Night Terror one, it was open in my browser when I made the post, I must have just grabbed the title and added. Should I add the template to the others, or did you want to do it? --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:58, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, WG. I've been nominated for B-Crat and would like your support. Link. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:02, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

New staff nominations.[]

Dtol has been nominated for Admin Vote for her HERE .

Source editor issue[]

I got sick of the visual editor giving me issues and switched over to the Source Editor for default editor, but I can't seem to edit the categories using it. I keep having to go in through the visual editor and then click source to see the cats. Do you know if there is a way around that? I don't want to dubble edit things and artificially enlarge my edit count if I can help it. Thanks either way. I left the same message on Zane's page as well. I figured one of you might be able to figure out what I'm doing wrong. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:00, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Doctor figured it out for me. I'm an idiot it seems. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:31, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

block request[]

please take a look at the edits of none of the edits seem worthwhile and the last one broke quite a few references on the page. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:55, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

You need to post on talkpages when you block someone and tell them why. It keeps everything aboveboard and leaves evidence for future admins. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:27, December 25, 2017 (UTC)

Give it a few days to be debated and then go for it. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:53, December 31, 2017 (UTC)

Undo Revision[]

Why did you reversed my editions on The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse page? And why you deleted the Heart of the Dragon section in the Demon Summoning page? Should not a user give a reason for these actions in the summary? Doctor49 (talk) 20:46, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Categories Suggestions[]

There's a page to make a suggestions about a category that i think would be useful to the wiki? Or should i create a blog post about this or suggest in a admin page? Doctor49 (talk) 22:29, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Re: I was thinking about a cetegorie for locations and objects belonged/invented by the men of letters, there's many things like the Hyperbolic Pulse Generator, Supernatural Handcuffs, Devil's Trap Bullets, Anti-Vampire Device, Vampire Irradiation Gun, Enochian Brass Knuckles, Rugaru Killing Gun, the Bunkers all over the world, Grenade Launchers, the Colt, etc, the category could call "Men of Letters' Properties". Doctor49 (talk) 21:21, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

And please awser my question in the topic above this one. Doctor49 (talk) 21:21, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

To me Men of Letters' Properties is good, being so the category would cover things belonged to the men of letters at some point not necessarily created/invented by them and so the granade launchers and the colt would classify as well. Doctor49 (talk) 23:24, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

Well, since its a category, being broad is good right? Doctor49 (talk) 23:19, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

What about ask the others admins? Doctor49 (talk) 00:33, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

K? Doctor49 (talk) 00:52, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, ok :p Doctor49 (talk) 01:16, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, should i go to other's admins talk pages or create a post to ask them what they think about this? Doctor49 (talk) 23:10, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

Ok Doctor49 (talk) 23:36, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

The Foundry[]

Sorry to bother you but, the front page of the wikia says "The Foundry" was the latest episode. I think it needs updating. --Kajune (talk) 00:56, January 4, 2018 (UTC)


Why did you reverted my edition on Fire's page? I just shortened the page's links. Doctor49 (talk) 04:28, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

Ohh i see it, going fix it, also i think that in that would be better just fix that one problem than revert the whole edit, i even fixted a wrong link with wendigos, but anyway :p Doctor49 (talk) 04:58, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

Reverting bot edits[]

Why are you reverting my bot's edits? I set it to replace redirects with direct links, as I explained to Dtol. Are redirects preferable? If so, I can do that as well.

Orion (T-B-C) 17:02, January 7, 2018 (UTC)


Orion (T-B-C) 12:16, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

I could use a reply so I don't waste my time creating "code" to fix redirects.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:00, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Dean and Cass page[]

Did you make those changes by mistake? The message says to detailed but the changes are even more detailed and have a few errors in them.--ThomasNealy (talk) 06:13, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Unnamed vs Unknown[]

There is some inconsistancies with naming some characters - some with unnamed in the name category, and some with unknown. E.g. Crowley's vessel is unknown, but Balthazar's vessel is unnamed. Do you want to change them all? Dtol (talk) 07:53, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Dtol (talk) 22:02, January 17, 2018 (UTC)


The debate on what goes on the monster page has been reopened. Your opinion on the issue would be welcome. you can find the link here Talk:Monster#Monsters_omitted_part_2 Thank you--ThomasNealy (talk) 22:53, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

As one of the participants I thought you would like to know that Caleb has posted a Notice of Intent to close the discussion. He has also provided an idea on a compromise since he could see no clear resolution from the debate. Your opinion would be welcome on the matter. Thank You. --ThomasNealy (talk) 18:10, February 11, 2018 (UTC)


The Pluralization of the word Wolf is Wolves. Same-goes-for-the-Pluralization-of-Werewolf-is-Werewolves. The (Were) part just indecates that its a (Supernatural) creature. They-teach-Plural/Singuler-words-in-(Grade-School)!!!

In-(Highschool), I-was-reading-at-a-(Pre-Collage) Level!! (I-KNOW-WHAT-I'M-TALKING-ABOUT)

Sorry-to-get-upset. I-just-don't-like-my-Intellagents-chalenged/put-into-question.

can you look at this edit[]

I was hoping you could look at this edit for me. This edit I can't remember if this is accurate or not. I don't remember angels killing humans to make more angels for one, and i don't remember if Jack ever said he hated the angels either. I did not want to undo it because I was not sure if it was right or not.--ThomasNealy (talk) 06:00, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to look at the edit yet? --ThomasNealy (talk) 13:39, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Resurrection Seal to Resurrection Spell page[]

I think the Resurrection Seal page should be changed to Resurrection Spell since it was never called Resurrection Seal. When mentioned, it's mostly mentioned as a Resurrection Spell. It makes zero sense to keep it as Resurrection Seal if it was never called one to begin with. Andrewh7 (talk) 01:22, February 3, 2018 (UTC) Andrewh7

Like what Rowena's Resurrection Spell? A page shouldn't be renamed just because it sounds better. It should be renamed because that's what it is and making sure the information on this wiki is correct and accurate. Andrewh7 (talk) 02:43, February 6, 2018 (UTC) Andrewh7

New Policy Discussion[]

A new policy is being proposed you can find more information here and give your opinion here Standard vote options apply. Thank you. --ThomasNealy (talk) 20:44, February 3, 2018 (UTC)

Can you give your opinion on this matter: Link. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:15, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

The argument ended, I left it also due to how far it devolved. But I understand and I'm sorry it sunk to such levels. 18:40, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

I agree, it wasn't my finest moment. Reka calling me a liar only made things worse; I strive to be honest and that bit of slander really pushed me to prove otherwise... In doing so, I did behave childishly. I'll conceed that point and work to better myself for the next unavoidable debate, which I hope is a long way off. I'm fortunate that being a B-Crat requires neutrality so I can avoid them also. Once again, I am sorry for how the discussion degenerated so badly. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:24, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

Template Guide[]

I wanted run an idea by you and the other admins before I started on it to see you you thought it was worth doing or unneeded. I want to make a Guide to our templates. One that will show what they are, what they are used for, and how to use them. once it's done I would like to have it added to the top nav bar if possible. I would also like to review the templates and open talks on deleting ones that have no use any longer. Is this something that you think would be ok? this is what I i have in mind. User:ThomasNealy/sandbox/Template_Guide --ThomasNealy (talk) 18:56, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

what is going on?[]

I have never seen this many at once. Is the wiki under some kind of attack? Do we need to contact wikia? --ThomasNealy (talk) 04:56, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

there are 3 other ips involved in the attack. it seems to be some kind of revenge on Zane. if the message on the admin board means anything. can you block the other 3 as well? man my alters started to wild I had no Idea what was going on but I got like 13 emails in a row. --ThomasNealy (talk) 04:59, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

here are 4 more that need to be block.‎

--ThomasNealy (talk) 05:03, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

VTSF is on the wiki now helping out. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:10, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/ Special:Contributions/ Special:Contributions/ Special:Contributions/

Also the VTSF guy said we should active the "the feature in Wikia Features to prevent unregistered contributors from editing." I don't know if you can do that or not, but might stop this for now. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:17, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

two more Special:Contributions/ Special:Contributions/ --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:19, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

VTSF are the wikia anti vandalism team. its who i contacted for help. VTSF --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:22, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

yea you got it right. The VTSF guys checked. did you get the other ip's i posted for you? there should be 6 in all--ThomasNealy (talk) 05:29, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Who the hell did Zane piss off? there is only one user I can think of that would have a reason and I can't see her doing this. It has to be aimed at him the only message left was on the admin board and it was about zane. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:43, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Supernatural_Wiki:Admin_Noticeboard?diff=283765&oldid=251591 I think it might have been the first of the attack. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:51, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Supernatural_Wiki:Admin_Noticeboard the history page should show it. it was undone but it is one back from the current. by 159. 203.62.18 --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:54, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

It's that sock puppet Steven. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:02, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

The only one he blocked recently for more than one account was Steven. I accoused [User_talk:Spnfan079] af being the same person back then. I still think it is possible by the way. He used the same names, same edit pattern, and had the same other wiki favorites. on the other hand Spnfan has been helping and making good edits recently as well.--ThomasNealy (talk) 06:09, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

I hope it is over. Maybe I can go back to bed. Normally I do not have the alerts turned on overnight. but I forgot to turn them off on my tablet. and getting 15 emails in secs of each other after midnight freaked me out. even more so when I saw all the edits coming from here. what a way to spend the night. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:19, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

check out User_talk:Spnfan079 talk page. He is saying he is going to report me for laying out the similarities in the accounts. It is just this feeling in the pit of my stomach that I am right. and as we saw blocking this user does not seem to make a difference, so I do not by the whole if I was them I would be blocked. the attack also stopped after I confronted the guy again and told him that Wikia was watching the wiki now. I hope I am wrong but I don't believe in coincidences either.--ThomasNealy (talk) 06:27, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

We may have an even bigger problem. I was going back over all the edits that were made. and i noticed a pattern. Spnfan did not use the undo button when he undid the attack edits. none of the bytes match. and on the season pages they were really messed up after he "helped". most of the active admin talk pages were all hit were undone with just a few bites difference. We can't ever revert the edits back to a earlier time without losing everything that happened tonight. the ingerty of the talk pages and any evidence on them of past misdeeds or patterns is no longer intact. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:49, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Man maybe I'm just being paranoid and crazy from low sleep. But what if all this was to mess with the talk pages and what was on them for some reason. Like alter what is on there now. When we have debates and site talk pages most of us don't go through the edit history to see if the original message was edited. We just read what is on the talk page now. --ThomasNealy (talk) 07:00, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

move page[]

You only moved the talk page for the Angel Banishing sigil. do you want to move the page too?--ThomasNealy (talk) 03:09, February 10, 2018 (UTC)

Devil's bargain page[]

Hello, I wanted to say I'm sorry if I caused you any trouble with the Devil's bargain page. I edited that page days ago and I just wanted to finish it because it was bothering me that I left half done and I don't like that kind of thing. I'm sorry for annoying you with my actions and I promise I won't do it again as I don't want to cause trouble when I edit. Again, I apologize for this act and I assure you it won't happen repeatedly.(Kingdevo215 (talk) 09:13, February 12, 2018 (UTC))

Reverting my bot's edits[]

I asked you about it and you didn't reply, so I spoke with Zane T 69 (see here and here). If you have a problem with it, bring it up with him, and don't ignore my messages next time.

Orion (T-B-C) 10:28, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

WG, you shouldn't ignore people on here. If you have a problem with Orion, then you need to talk it out, and explain why you reverted his edits when asked. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:08, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

Two pages about the same character.[]

Sorry to bother you but I found something odd. I just found two pages about the same character and don't know which one to delete/make a redirect/I don't know. Since you are an admin on this wiki maybe you can give me some guidance? The pages in question are Bill and Billy, the kid whose soul Abaddon's minion stole. Hito7187199 (talk) 05:03, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Gary Frankle and Nora[]

First, thank you for responding so quickly and deleting the Billy duplicate page, second, may I ask why you put Gary Frankle and Nora back in the "Human Villains"category? On the Nora summary you wrote "She did kidnap Sam so she was a human villian", which confused me. On the Human Villains category page there is a note that says "Do not include Witches in this category, as although they are humans, they have their own category." Is there some exception to this that I don't know about? On a related note: Is there a reason you didn't add Trevor back to the category after I deleted the category from his page like you did with the other two? Hito7187199 (talk) 07:20, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Imperiex Sock-puppet[]

He signed a post ImperiexSeed, in his old style and PsychoVenom was blocked for vandalism with multiple accounts. Him signing as Imperiex. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:28, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

That said Zanna, as in Zanna. He could have made them while we were debating his block or may have found a loophole. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:34, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

So, I guess you're one of those stupid people who needs everything spelled out for them, huh? Look, Lucifer was talking to Sam, pretending to be God, to get him to go inside the cage. He knew that if Sam saw a burning bush, that he'd think it was God giving him a sign. Also, after Bobby finished referecing Death being responsible for the flood, he closed the bible, meaning he got the info from it. I'm getting sick of people who can't think for themselves and need everything outright stated for them. God, you're annoying.. ParasiticCarroll (talk) 04:29, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Closing consensus[]

Yes I was wondering if you are another admin could close the consensus Or should I wait for a few more days.

Talk:Jack_(Nephilim)#Nephilim_tracking_spell_as_weakness.C2.A0. Spnfan079 (talk) 02:37, March 11, 2018 (UTC)


Yes Dtol brought it over from the Nephilim page and put it under Jack’s weakness. Spnfan079 (talk) 06:20, March 11, 2018 (UTC)


Dear WarGrowlmon18,

I just came up with the best idea for a new category for this wikia. There should be a category for bullets on the show. They are different types of bullets on this show. There are Colt bullets, Angel-killing bullets, silver bullets, Witch-killing bullets, and Devil's trap bullets. It would be a great addition to this wiki. ChrisG1999 (talk) 16:57, April 9, 2018 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Astral Projection Spell from Funeralia[]

I was going to add the third variant of the Astral Projection Spell from last night's episode, but couldn't think of what to write for it. It's clear that it's Astral Projection because Rowena said it was Astral Projection. Andrewh7 (talk) 23:33, April 20, 2018 (UTC) Andrewh7

Katanas or not[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18,

In last week's episode Gabriel used these wooden swords to kill four deities. I was wondering are they Katanas or not because I was hoping to add that to the katana page. They were shaped the exact same way as katanas and greatly resembled them. The whole episode was a homage to Kill Bill so that further supports that they are katanas but just made out of wood. For example stakes are usually made of wood but can be silver. Doesn't that also apply to katanas. Do you get what I am trying to say. I was hoping for your honest professional opinion.

P.S. remember when I pitched the bullets category I forgot to mention that I have no idea how to make a new category. Could you tell the instructions for that.

ChrisG1999 (talk) 00:33, April 30, 2018 (UTC)Sincerely, ChrisG1999

Gab's swords[]

Dear Wargrowlmon18,

I know you made a page for them but still are they katanas or not. I personally think they are just made of wood but I want a professional's opinion. I don't want to do anything until I have more information. A yes or no is all I want to know. Also thanks for the instruction I am very grateful.

ChrisG1999 (talk) 01:13, April 30, 2018 (UTC)Sincerely, ChrisG1999


Excuse me, I wanted to ask if Jack's page can be updated with information from the last episode. I ask because it was missing a large amount of detail such as his reunion with the Winchesters and meeting Lucifer. If you don't feel like I understand and won't press this issue.(Kingdevo215 (talk) 03:56, May 7, 2018 (UTC))

Gog and Magog[]

Do you think that the thing about them not being capable os swimming due to their body being made of rocks and sand could fit in the Trivia section instead of the Weakenesses one then? Doctor49 (talk)

Bot adding the category where it doesn't belong[]

I assumed everyone was using {{template name}} instead of {{template:template name}}, so the bot didn't pick up on the Quotation template. I'll fix it after I've changed the latter to the former.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:01, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Which new template is being used for quotes? Also, keep in mind that once a fix is determined to work in 99.9% of cases, I just add it to the "General cleanup" profile and let the bot run on its own. You found part of the 0.1% that I didn't while I was testing the fix.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:08, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

That one is actually pretty old. :P

I'm going to have the bot replace Quotation with Quote, due to the latter's simplicity. Not right now, though.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:19, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

The bot is replacing the template now. Once it's done, you'll either need to delete the Quotation template to prevent people from using it, or replace its code with the Quote template's.

Orion (T-B-C) 14:19, May 25, 2018 (UTC)


Orion (T-B-C) 15:14, May 25, 2018 (UTC)

Scratch that. One last pass.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:19, May 25, 2018 (UTC)

It's pretty much gone, but I can't get it right in a handful of articles. It can be done manually, though.

Orion (T-B-C) 18:12, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Besides a handful of talk pages and user pages, the template remains in Archangel Blades and Mark of Cain. Both these articles are locked, so you will need to remove it from those articles yourself.

Orion (T-B-C) 13:40, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

I'm testing a fix to people who don't use intra-wiki links properly. If it works, it should also work for links that can be shortened with wikitext, with some tweaking.

Orion (T-B-C) 21:08, June 23, 2018 (UTC)


Excuse me, since Season 13 is over I wanted to ask about changes done to Big Bad. I think major antagonists should be Asmodeus, Lucifer, and Alternate Michael while supporting should be Arthur Ketch, Soulless Donatello and Rowena Macleod. If you don't agree or think its a waste of time, I understand and won't press the issue. (Kingdevo215 (talk) 01:06, May 22, 2018 (UTC))


Just want to say thanks for the help on the Special Demon article. Thetwindler (talk) 17:33, May 23, 2018 (UTC)

I blocked him. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:05, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hunt for St. Peter's Skull[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18,

I have a great idea for a battle page. You should make a page for the Hunt for St. Peter's Skull. It took place in the episode A Most Holy Man. Such a great episode and the battle had a lot of casualties and I think it would be awesome to read. 14:19, June 1, 2018 (UTC)Sincerely Michael Cruz

Yippee Ki Yay[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18, I noticed how you made pages for some notable quotes of the show. I love them. I have a great idea for another page you could make. You should totally make a page for Yippee Ki Yay Mother... the catchphrase of John Mcclaine from die hard. Dean says it on the show and it is awesome. Sincerely, ChrisG1999

Yippe Ki Yay appearances.[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18,

The line Yippe Ki Yay Mother... only appears twice on the show. Dean says it both times. He says it in Frontierland after killing Elias Finch with the Colt and it Who We Are after finally using the Grenade Launcher.ChrisG1999 (talk) 14:58, June 6, 2018 (UTC)Sincerely, ChrisG1999

The Wingman Demon’s Fate[]

Dear WarGrowlmon18, The Wingman Demon totally died. Whenever someone is killed by molecular combustion two things happen. The user snaps his fingers and the victim explodes. They either explode into dust or blood all over the place. Both those things happened. Also Crowley would never have let that guy live after disrespecting him like that and would have killed him right away not save him for later. His death was identical to that of Thomas from season 12. --ChrisG1999 (talk) 02:53, June 8, 2018 (UTC)Sincerely ChrisG1999

It seems that I missed the action, but well done on cleaning that up, man. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:54, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Thankfully they didn't do that again. It may have been the same guy but I doubt it, he was a more effective vandal and caused major trouble. I'll restore anonymous editing at a random time in the near future though. Zane T 69 (talk) 13:27, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

You go to the redirect page, over over My Tools on the task bar at the bottom of every page and remove every link to the redirect page and make sure that it links to the proper page. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:41, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Okay. BTW, no pages link to Nick Ubrimowitz, so that doesn't require attention. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:45, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

K, hopefully they'll either provide a source or stop. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:47, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Garth Fitzgerald IV[]

Is the character listed in the pages Dean's Relationships and Sam's Relationships? Pokemonfan201 (talk) 05:00, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Welcome Message[]

Twilight had an inquiry about the welcome message, which consistently seems to use his name. [2]. The MediaWiki page still has @local however, [3], and I was wondering if you knew what the problem is and how the default user for the welcome message could be changed. Thanks! Dtol (talk) 09:53, July 15, 2018 (UTC)


I need a second opinion from another admin, I proposed adding screencaps to the wiki and was told that having screencaps would make things confusing with promotional images on the wiki. The screencaps that would be uploaded to the wiki would not include the ones that are promotional images so there is no confusion. Andrewh7 (talk) 02:24, August 19, 2018 (UTC) Andrewh7

Angels and super speed[]

You can't say that these are speculations. I gave examples from the show.

Almo got (talk) 06:14, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Excuse me[]

I just wanted to apologize if I was overstepping my bounds on the Dean and Lucifer page. I had saw the page and decided to contribute without thinking. Again, I'm sorry for needlessly putting edits down without asking if you needed help in filling up the page. (Kingdevo215 (talk) 21:31, September 5, 2018 (UTC))


A user named Solina16 changing some of the pics on the pages and added one to my profile page. Pokemonfan201 (talk) 14:56, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Taken care of. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:10, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Why did you restore fanon terms to the Castiel/Abilities and Weaknesses page? Zane T 69 (talk) 18:58, September 16, 2018 (UTC)

Closing the Matter of the Smiting[]

I have spoken with Zane T 69 on the matter of the smiting. He says he would like you explain why did not want to compromise.

As I have stated previously, my latest edit was in no way speculation and it does not contradict the previous statement made. What you insist upon: "The smiting failed to kill the Dean" is not different from from my argument: "Dean withstood the smiting".

If you have a reason as to why you think these two statements are disimilar, that my statement can be justifiably called "speculation" as you claim it to be, then I would like to hear it, as would Zane.

MARVELCOMICS4EVER (talk) 18:25, September 25, 2018 (UTC)MARVELCOMICS4EVER


This user is adding fan names to Alternate Michael's article and even moved the article to a fan name and back, to create a redirect. I've marked the redirect for deletion.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:34, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

His name was an advertisement and he also advertised further. Ergo, his intention was to advertise, and the block will remain due to that. That's a ToU violation and had to be enforced. We can't allow that to exist on our wiki, his advertised account could get hacked, viruses could infect peoples computers and we could have prevented that. We simply have to do this or we shouldn't even be Admins or Bureaucrats. Wikia would just catch him and give him a global (all wikis) block and possibly make it infinite anyway. At least this way he might be able to create another account that isn't a ToU violation and make worth while contributions. Sorry, but the infinite ban will and must remain. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:37, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Can somebody please help me with the special children page[]

Hey bro can I get some help please? A few months ago i started working the history section such as every eoisode that features Sam and his Demon powers or demon blood references, when a new child is mentioned, the battle and even Sam's role in the Apocalypse but it's too much to do alone, especially since I only have a cellphone and Xbox one with Microsoft edge, but if somebody can please help me I would greatly appreciate it. Have a good day bro and I hope everything is going good for you The Inner Hate (talk) 5:00 pm October 12, 2018 (UTC)


Sorry for angering you I've never made a page before. I should have thought about quality standards but I just kept making bad pages like an ignoramus. I will refrain from making pages until I learn how.The White Lady of Sussex (talk) 02:27, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Please ban A FANDOM USER[]

The user known as A FANDOM USER just deleted everything on the Lucifer page and replaced it with the one phrase "He's a gay noobie". I just reverted the edit to it's previous state and I ask that you as an admin punish him in some way such as blocking him or at the very least give him a serious warning. (Jman321 (talk) 02:24, October 18, 2018 (UTC))

Taken care of. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:05, October 18, 2018 (UTC)

My Edition on Naomi's Page[]

Hey, just want you to know that i have no idea of why my edition on Naomi's page ended up with all those links to Season 8, i didn't put that there on purpose :/ Doctor49 (talk) 02:52, December 8, 2018 (UTC)


He's clearly not reading his talk page. Can't you ban him for a few minutes to get his attention or something?

Orion (T-B-C) 12:52, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

I blocked him for a month; he kept removing messages from his talkpage, claimed I vandalized his by restoring them, vandalized my user page, he broke the 3RR rule, threatened to do the previous mentioned vandalism, edit warring, and ignoring admin warnings. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:54, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

I kind of doubt that he is, but we have no real proof. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:17, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

Thank god, lol. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:11, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

We do not infinite ban IP addresses because IPs change and you could be blocking an innocent future user. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:24, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Jed'aii Lord guy[]

There isn't a valid explanation for that, not only did he use the F word twice here, but he did it on the Pokemon wiki while harassing and insulting me and was blocked there too. He violated the the ToU, which supersede our own policies. Added to that, his actions have grown so severe that I have contacted wikia/fandom and I am optimistic about a global ban. I'm disappointed that you even said that and all you've done is give him false hope and validate his hope of appeal and his appalling behavior. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:17, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

Well, now that you've explained more, I understand your position better. I just thought you were giving the moron false hope of getting unblocked and getting away with a major offense. Sorry for the being all official and admin-y. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:40, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

It might take him 12-24 hours. He was far from reasonable: Link. If you don't want to be an admin there, you can request a demotion. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:42, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

Not surprising about the grammar, he doesn't strike me as being very intelligent. He acts like a bratty teenager. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:23, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

My bad. I spaced on some of that. I partly blame that stupid The Walking Dead show for confusing me with SPN Zombies. After a while all that crap blends together. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:01, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Were you ever able to access wikia chats? I'm planning another meeting in ours soon and I'm wondering if you can make it. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:01, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

I knew about the first. She left The Walking Dead and will be in a new spy show called Whiskey Cavalier. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:08, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

This was planned and the accounts were likely pre-created. He should have that halted, but I've already taken action to see all accounts disabled. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:10, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Just keep watch and infinite ban the accounts as they're used and prevent them from editing talk and block IPs. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:14, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism[]

Yep, quite a nuisance. AbuseFilters have been set up so he shouldn't be able to make such edits any more - certainly not at the pace of before. Calebchiam Talk 15:52, February 8, 2019 (UTC)

Let me see if I can take care of further instances through AbuseFilters. As it is, the AbuseFilters have actually caught about 30 malicious edits. Calebchiam Talk 16:07, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

The vandal is trying to get a reaction and you've given him that twice. Stop. Expressing your anger to him is only encouraging him to continue. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:10, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

A theory It might just be me, but he mostly attacks at times When there is no activity on the wiki. Or when there is activity and no one can stop him, so he continues Maybe. Or for his own amusement. Idk. Dominic1743 (talk) 16:52, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

Please don't create unused redirects. If nothing links to a page then you can just delete the old title by not leaving behind a redirect. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:11, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Thought I'd warn you. Someones trying to get Admin passwords, I think by guessing them. Exercise caution. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:16, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

False alarm, but make sure that your passwords are strong. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:01, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

No, I did it right and publicly humiliated myself again. See here. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:55, February 11, 2019 (UTC)


Hello its been a while. I created a template for the administration you are welcome to add it to your Profile. It’s called Administrator. Dominic1743 (talk) 00:51, February 13, 2019 (UTC)

Alternate Universes[]

Yes I was wondering if a new page should be created for the Alternate Timelines or should it share the same page. Dominic1743 (talk) 17:03, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Primordial Entities[]

Hey. Twilight brought up renaming the Primordial Entities Page To Cosmic Beings. And I wanted to get your opinion on it. Talk:Primordial_Entities #Cosmic_Being_Rename.3F Dominic1743 (talk) 23:02, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

I reduced the protection. It was too excessive and prevented potentially constructive edits. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:54, April 1, 2019 (UTC)


It would be good to have your opinion on a topic ?--Mgdodl (talk) 15:02, May 11, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager Introduction[]

Hi there!

I'm SilverFlight, here to serve as Supernatural Wiki's liason - the go-to user for when you need assistance from full-time staff and eager to answer if you ever have a question or issue(s) relating to the wiki, users, etc.

In addition, I'm happy to inform you that Fandom is upgrading its MediaWiki platform to accommodate MediaWiki extensions. You can read more about here on the blog post.

If you have any other questions, please contact me on my talk page. Let me know how I can help.

The Silver wings of Night (talk) 02:39, June 21, 2019 (UTC)

Fandom Discord[]

Hello WarGrowlmon18!
I'm excited to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server for all Fandom and Gsmepedia editors. If you want to learn more about it, details can be found here on community blog. Let me know if you have any questions!

The Silver wings of Night (talk) 23:00, July 9, 2019 (UTC)

Analytics Update[]

Hi WarGrowlmon18! I wanted to inform you that there is a new Special:Analytics page you can request and access on the admin dashboard! In this way, you can use it to keep track of the number of edits daily, and which users are contributing. More info is available on the Help:Analytics dashboard and the blog post. If you have any questions, let me know!

The Silver wings of Night (talk) 02:23, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Editor Rewards[]

Hi again, WarGrowlmon! There's a new Editor Rewards program honoring the hard work of users with awards those that have gained recognition for their contributions. Details are on this blog post. If you could give some feedback at this blog post, it would be greatly appreciated. Please message me if you have any questions!

The Silver wings of Night (talk) 01:20, September 2, 2019 (UTC)

Editor Experience[]

Hi WarGrowlmon! This is a message informing you that the Supernatural Wiki will have the "Editor Experience" test running on it. This test is an introductory feature for new editors that shows them the steps of editing via JavaScript virtual tour on the source editor. If you have thoughts or opinions on it, feel free to share them to me!

The Silver wings of Night (talk) 15:53, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

RE: B-Crat[]

You've barely used your admin powers for the wikis benefit. You haven't distinguished yourself as an admin or proven that you have good enough judgement to appoint Content or Chat Mods and I see no reason for there to be three Bureaucrats. In short the rights you do have are underutilized and you've largely continued doing the work of a regular user and haven't used your admin powers to better the wiki on a noticeable scale. You are a great and hard working user, but I don't feel that you need B-crat rights when you've barely used your admin rights. Furthermore I can't simply grant B-crat rights. You need community approval for that.

I can't stop you from pursuing the rights with the communities backing, but I can't justify supporting your RFB when I kinda regret supporting your RFA now. Once again, you are a great user, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are a great admin or will be a great bureaucrat. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:52, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Silver-immune werewolf[]

Hi WarGrowlmon, I'm just dropping by because I have a question for you about the silver immunity of a werewolf mentioned in the book "Bobby Singer's Guide to Hunting" and since you were the one who added this part, I hope you’re the right person to ask. I have now looked over it several times (not directly read it, because that would take a bit too long) and also with the help of amazon, I searched for keywords, but also found nothing. Now my question is, whether you still know, in which chapter or even on which page this information about the silver-immune werewolf can be found? Hope you can help me out :) McGillicuddy (talk) 15:50, October 12, 2019 (UTC)

Season 15 edits[]

I was wondering why you reverted my edits on the Season 15 page. i was formatting the cast list to fit the standard layout of previous season pages, with the characters episodes listed and cast members from previous seasons in the guest star section, and the recurring new cast from this season in the co star section, as we have done since season 1. If you could get back to me that would be great, thanks! Chaseharrison420 (talk) 18:55, October 12, 2019 (UTC)

AU Chuck Shurley[]

Hey, please give your opinion here on whether or not the page Chuck Shurley (The End) should be deleted and merged with the page God since it has been confirmed that there's only one version God in the Supernatural multiverse and there's no need/reason to have the "Chuck Shurley (The End)" page in this wiki. Thx. Doctor49 (talk) 00:12, October 18, 2019 (UTC)


Hey, could fix the template in Capture of Lucifer, because I have no clue, how the fix that ?--Mgdodl (talk) 04:37, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

I didn't do anything to that template, Kingdevo215 created the page.--Mgdodl (talk) 05:00, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

I think you forgot the template, because you said you would do that tomorrow ? --Mgdodl (talk) 18:26, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Belphegor[]

True, i think i trusted Belphegor's worlds i the s15e01 too much, i hope he's a big time demon and there's a twist to it, i wasn't too much impressed by that powerful spell he casted bcs nowdays in spn even witches can cast simple spells powerful enough to hurt primordial beings like Amara. But yeah i hope he is a powerful demon or at least something special, i just thought about writing this comment that it could be Adam demonized by Michael but i guess it dosen't make sense since Belphegor mentioned ancient time with too familiarity for it to be fake. But still,i think that if the series ends and we don't get to see Belphegor's eyes we should assume and put on the wiki that he is just a black-eyed demon (he said he wasn't one of those black-eyed demons who come to earth, this could mean both that he is no a black-eyed one or that he is a black-eyed demon,but just not one of those who come to earth). And about the Woman in White, even tho Belphegor could have been just being lazy or coward, i put it as a weakness bcs when a demon possesses someone their body gets more resistant so it would take a greater amount of force to hurt one, and Belphegor even felt pain. Doctor49 (talk) 06:49, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Dimensions Page[]

Hey, please give your opinion here on whether or not the page Dimensions should be deleted since its basically an redundant, unneeded and incomplete duplicate of the Realms page. Thx. Doctor49 (talk) 13:37, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Supernatural The Animation Cateogries[]

Hey, do you have a bot in this wiki? Bcs i noticed that some categories reguarding Supernatural The Animation are inconsistent, maybe you could run the bot to change every "Category:Supernatural: The Anime Series characters" to "Supernatural: The Animation Characters" and also change every "Supernatural The Animation Villains" to add a ":" after the world Supernatural, bcs the name of the animated series in the imdb has the ":" in it so its probably the more official name, then i would also change the name of the anime's page to add this. I know it dosen't seen important but i think its a inconsistency and that would confuse some new users of the wiki and left them wondering whats the difference between "Supernatural: The Animation" and "Supernatural:The Anime Series". Doctor49 (talk) 14:38, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Ask Orion, he has a bot, to run these things, because I think WG18 doesn't have one. You could make one of these two names a redirect.--Mgdodl (talk) 15:11, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

I know Orion has one but i haven't seen him in the wiki recently, i'll ask anyway, and in this case it is categories we're talking about so i belive redirects don't work. Doctor49 (talk) 15:26, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

In the second sentence, I talked about "Supernatural: The Animation" and "Supernatural:The Anime Series".--Mgdodl (talk) 15:38, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Ohh ok i got it, good idea. Doctor49 (talk) 17:12, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

We don't infinite ban IPs, ever. They change and you may be preventing future constructive edits. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:45, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

If the pages aren't valid then feel free to delete them, but if they have potential just mark them as Stubs or as Needing Improvement. You are free to warn the user, but they are creating tiny amounts of content so strive to be polite as usual and explain that he's putting a burden on other users to complete his work for him. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:40, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

Join the Discussion[]

Hello! I'm only dropping by to say that there is currently an active request for adminship going on here and it would be lovely if you get involved! Thanks. Touchinos (talk) 01:12, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently an important discussion about the wikis future in regards to the soon to be replaced Forums by Fandom. Please get involved here. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:48, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

Man you admins here are corrupt and abuse your power; locking pages so editors can't remove your biases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

I agree and that wasn't acceptable. Take it to the talk page because I quite frankly agree that you're reaching with that and seeing what you want to see. The protection was undone and you're expected to take the matter to the talk page. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:33, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

Hello! There is currently an active request for adminship going on here! Thanks. Dominic1743 (talk) 09:59, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

Re: God page[]

Yeah, I noticed it too, that guy was really insistent, only wanting his way instead of using the talk page. However, by the time I watched and was involved in Edit-war too, I asked myself, why didn't you use your admin rights ?--Mgdodl (talk) 06:21, November 20, 2019 (UTC)

Assassination of Jack Kline[]

Shall this page be deleted ?--Mgdodl (talk) 03:57, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

White Eyed-Demons[]

It would be good, if I could get your opinion on this topic ?--Mgdodl (talk) 18:13, November 25, 2019 (UTC)

Does the statement of Ruby have anything to do with torture, because a user added it and many other things, which I'm not sure of, whether it was that way in the series ? (Ruby would agree that if Lilith gets angry, she'll be creative at the same time.) --Mgdodl (talk) 19:17, November 26, 2019 (UTC)

Why was my contribution deleted?[]

Thank you so much! I have a question about user Touchinos? They just deleted my contribution to the image gallery, but I don't actually understand their reasoning and it's pretty discouraging.

Touchinos commented they weren't "official" images. So I am curious, is the "Billie" gif Touchino's posted "an official gif" ? The ones I added were from officially released media and the trailer from Supernatural - and were supplied by production and were used in media. The Plague Mask image was an official image, looks very cool, and an important part of the storyline. So I am confused that's all. Thanks in advance for any enightenment there :) Cheers! Superparachute (talk) 05:08, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

Global Taxonomy[]

Hi there! I'm happy to introduce to you the new feature called the Global Taxonomy. This formula accumulates wikis a user visits and generates a list of recommended wikis for them to visit. In other words, people who have an interest in a topic or genre you entail will be recommended a chance to visit this wiki! That will be perfect for garnering visitors here. You can read more about it on the blog, plus if you're interested in template use, you can check out this link, too. Hope you find them helpful!

The Silver wings of Night (talk)
22:12, December 1, 2019 (UTC)

I simply find it pretty farfetch to imagine Cas carrying around a lighter in his trenchcoat and burning Sergei, his niece and anyone close to him. It's more likely and plausible he meant pyrokinesis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magikarp19 (talkcontribs)

Gotta agree with Magikarp19 here. It makes no sense to assume Castiel meant anything but pyrokinesis. Besides, he did burn Belphegor's vessel and Lilith's Crook while smiting Belphegor, so it's not like we know he can't muster the strength to burn something.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:09, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

When was it shown visuaally all the angels on Heaven and Earth losing their wings? Crowley described the spell as casting all angels in Heaven down to Earth and burning their wings, but nothing about angels already on Earth.

Desynoping Inactive Admins[]

Sorry to bother you, but can I get your opinion on Forum:Desynoping Inactive admins? Thanks. Dominic1743 (talk) 15:01, December 14, 2019 (UTC)

Michael's strenght[]

We don't really know if AU Michael is stronger. Lucifer said that. Maybe he lied using a pathetic excuse because he was beaten very easily, as he lied about Michael's insanity. Without a confrontation we can't say that. And, seeing that main Michael still using his powers even with the handcuffs, I'd say he is the strongest. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 10:37, December 15, 2019 (UTC) answer? Great. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 11:56, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

The spirits of hell[]

I would like that since there are different types of spirits anyway, as well as different types of demons, we would create a page about the spirits that God freed from hell with just a snap of your fingers. Since you are an admin, you can tell me what it would be like, finally there is also a page in the Super Wiki about the hell spirits Anonyme Tät (talk) 14:37, December 15, 2019 (UTC)

Are you going to create the page or should I do that? Anonyme Tät (talk) 21:32, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Didn't you wanted to create a page for the Hell Souls or do you integrate it into the Souls Page ? --Mgdodl (talk) 10:19, January 11, 2020 (UTC)

Featured Video[]

Hi there! Writing to tell you about changes coming to FANDOM featured videos: as of the end of this December, they will be receiving some trial run experiments. This is being done to improve video quality since videos featured on a page tend to be outdated or spout all the information the user can already read on the article. The main goal will be to figure out how to complement wiki content. Because of that, you might receive a video called "The Loop" play for anonymous users, that will be meant purely to collect visitation data in vein of the Global Taxonomy method. It won't affect all users, so you might not notice. But if you want to learn more, you can go to the blog post. Let me know if you have any questions!

The Silver wings of Night (talk)
23:07, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

When was Samhain actually created?[]

Do you actually know when it was proven that Samhain was created before Lucifer Imprisonment, or is it a guess a fan made a long time ago? I don't know of any episodes and/or books confirming how old he is Anonyme Tät (talk) 00:39, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

Citation Change[]

Hi! Hope you're doing well. I need your opinion on this please.

Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 23:18, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

Castiel's Abilities Page[]

Can I ask for permission to create a new section in Castiel/Abilities and Weaknesses page for his abilities that aren't related to his powers?

User talk:AnitaSalim, December 25th 2019.

I mean that shouldn't there be a "Other Abilities" section like it had on Jack's own page to differentiate within Castiel's powers and his natural skills.

User talk:AnitaSalim, December 25th 2019.

So do you grant me the permission to do it?

User talk:AnitaSalim, December 25th 2019.

I already created it and added more abilities. Can you check and revise it if needed?

User talk:AnitaSalim, December 27th 2019.

John Winchester[]

Like his sons, shouldn't John's abilities section be more diverse in that he has Master Hunting Skills like that sort and High Level Intelligence.

User talk:AnitaSalim, January 11th 2020.

Luis 106 Lincoln[]

Thank you for that welcome. Really appreciate it. I still do too. By the way Happy New Year’s Eve Day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis 106 Lincoln (talkcontribs)

No, of course not. I removed Rollback rights, but you still technically have those as part of your Admin rights. Basically, you had Rollback rights two times over, but now have them just once. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:09, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not thrilled with your performance as an Admin, but you are an otherwise great user who contributes heavily to articles and you involve yourself in discussions for consensus, and you do block problematic users on occasion. Try to be more active though, if you can. We're attracting more vandals currently. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:27, January 3, 2020 (UTC)
We do get along well and I don't any less of you as a person or a an editor. The mostly recent vandals are quite blatant so you should know. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:48, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Alternate Character Naming[]

Since there is mutliple alternate versions of Sam and Dean from different universes within the same episode, how should we name them? Should we do somethig like 1st Dean (Proverbs 17:3) and 2nd Dean Provebs (17:3)? Or is ther another way we should name them? Thetwindler (talk) 05:15, January 17, 2020 (UTC)


Can a page be created for The Multiverse since both Billie and God mentioned it? Jack3869 (talk) 08:58, January 18, 2020 (UTC)


Hey, there's a discussion for admin rights going on, here.--Mgdodl (talk) 17:35, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

A topic about alternate Michael[]

Could you also give your opinion to the topic above the one about his appearance ?

Didn't alternate Michael prefer to take on Dean's form, as his preferred form, shouldn't it be written in the Physical Appearance section ?--Mgdodl (talk) 21:51, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

Good idea. I can't foresee any objections from any others users either. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:38, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

Just do what you can, others will emulate you. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:47, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

Did you saw, what I wrote on Michael (Apocalypse World)'s talk page ?--Mgdodl (talk) 15:15, February 1, 2020 (UTC)


I think this edit summary speaks for itself.

Orion (T-B-C) 10:44, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

I've tried to be civil with Orion, but he won't stop constantly harassing and provoking his fellow users, and reverting non-admin edits by the dozens for no reason. His micromanaging behavior is counterproductive and other users have professed aggravation at his conduct. -- Wobbuffetmax, 5:54 AM, January 26th, 2020

My job is to make sure the rules are followed and that articles are of good quality. Speculation is something that has to be removed. You yourself claimed I should be more proactive in these matters when it came to marking articles for deletion, but apparently don't want the same scrutiny when it comes to your edits. My reverts are for a reason, usually users adding speculation or vandalizing articles, and they do include admins' edits, despite what you may claim.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:00, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

I didn't make a claim; I stated your type of field (content moderator), per wiki prescriptive designations, necessitates you modulate content efficiently. And by extension it's not your job to edit in pertinence to the show, but you're certainly free to if you wish. I hold no objection to you excising scrutiny to my edits with sound cause, which I have yet to witness (aside from my minor typo). Within the last few weeks, the mass quantity of your reversions have been done to regular users. -- Wobbuffetmax, 6:38 AM, January 26th, 2020

I've reviewed Wobbuffetmax's edits to the King Solomon page, Father Luca Camilleri, and the Apocalypse World page and I agree that they are speculative. Saying something is possibly this person IS speculation and King Solomon isn't confirmed human either. Given that his antagonism for Orion I'll be issuing a one-week block. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:33, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

Here we go again. I was trying to teach him how to achieve consensus one way or the other, with examples, and this is the thanks I get.

Orion (T-B-C) 21:58, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

No. You're the one who was arguing the case for both competing views simultaneously, insulting my intelligence (again) while you were at it, and clearly instigating to elicit a response and then go whine about it to admins crying wolf. -- Wobbuffetmax, 5:03 PM, February 4th, 2020

Here's what I actually said, with emphasis on the relevant parts:

For example, I just watched all of Tamiel's on-screen time and no wing-flapping is ever heard. That's something that can be used in favor of removing "Teleportation" from their list of powers. On the other hand, Tamiel did appear behind Ronnie seemingly out of nowhere (note that Ronnie was looking around before the phone call and saw no one) and somehow managed to traverse the same path Dean and Castiel did to get from the house to the barn (they were going from the barn to the house, but the path is the same both ways, obviously) without running into them, even though he didn't know they were there and would've had no reason to sneak around otherwise.
This is the kind of stuff that can be used. You're welcome.

Note the use of "for example" and "can be used". I wasn't making an argument, I was giving you examples of arguments for both sides so you could construct your own, and then you insulted me after I repeatedly explained that I was giving you examples of arguments for you to understand how to get consensus either way.

Hell, your opening in the "discussion" was just a personal attack aimed at me, as opposed to an actual debate, so if you want to talk about "instigating to elicit a response", I suggest you look at your own conduct first.

I was neutral and focused on the subject at hand - the dispute over "Teleportation" being listed as one of the Grigoris' powers. You opened with hostility and didn't even address the subject until I presented you with examples of arguments (to help you make your own argument), finally culminating in insults toward me.

Orion (T-B-C) 22:13, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

I originally didn't construct an argument because I don't need to make an argument for something that is simply false strictly based on it being not true, but I eventually devolved the conversation by providing reasoning behind the obvious because you insisted: if you can't prove X and Y supplies additional info to disevaluate the former, then there's cause to remove the inconsistency and no need to hold adherence to a consensus on it. I wasn't arguing with myself either, I was presenting you with observable data (Metatron's framework of the spell). Your "you're welcome" and "you're debating with nobody" were obviously condescending, it's called reading between the lines. Truce, let's let bygones be bygones, and move on? -- Wobbuffetmax, 5:41 PM, February 4th, 2020

Here's what I think: take your argument somewhere else and stop blowing up my talk page with it!!!--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:28, February 5, 2020 (UTC)


after rewatching it jack said billie let hime out not ressurected him. Jack3869 (talk) 18:18, January 31, 2020 (UTC)


Isn't it KabRiel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditry (talkcontribs)

New Forum for a serious issue (IMO)[]

This is about the bloated articles and sections I've noticed a lot recently. Please give your thoughts on the subject here.

Orion (T-B-C) 13:12, February 2, 2020 (UTC)

Vessels Extensive List[]

Hey, can you give your opinion about this? Doctor49 (talk) 03:09, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

What about this, should the particular sections be shortened or subpages created ?--Mgdodl (talk) 08:22, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

Personal Image[]

Hey, i think (link removed) this image is of a real person that has nothing to do with the Supernatural franchise and it's not being used in any page, if i'm not mistaken it is against some rule to upload images not related to Supernetural right? If so, i think you might wanna delete it or something :v. Doctor49 (talk) 04:43, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

I handled it. Thanks for the report. The link was removed to avoid leaving behind a red link. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:29, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
Oh, ok then, thanks. Doctor49 (talk) 05:37, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Clairsentience vs Supernatural Perception[]

Clairsentience and Supernatural Perception while have two pages of the same kind of power. Both are the ability to see or sense that which can’t be by normal senses like ghosts or supernatural energies.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 18:32, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

I agree, the pages should be merged in my opinion. Doctor49 (talk) 23:24, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

History Sections[]

Hey, i was thinking if the preferred term to use for events that happened before the series/offscreen would be "Early Story" or "Background", i've seen both being used in this wiki and i just wanted to know which one i should use in the future. Doctor49 (talk) 17:43, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

Ok then, i like "background" more too. Doctor49 (talk) 18:12, February 7, 2020 (UTC)


I just wanted to inform you that I won't be as active as much due to personal issues. Hopefully my activity will be back to normal before or after the new episode airs. I will try to edit at least once a week.

Thanks! Admin // Dominic1743 (T-C-L) 17:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Atomic Monsters[]

Could you give a comment to this topic ?--Mgdodl 10:52, February 25, 2020 (UTC)

Your new Wiki Manager[]

Hey there! I'm Cörey, the new Wiki Manager for the Supernatural wiki.

I'll be taking over for SilverFlight. Just like Julia, I'm here to help out however I can. Just let me know! You can usually find me on Discord (my username is penguinstyles#9735), however, I'm happy to use whatever contact medium you prefer.

If you have any questions for me, please let me know. I'll try to respond to them as quickly as I can.

-- Cörey (talk) 05:53, March 2, 2020 (UTC)


Wanted to let you know we now have a discord and you are welcome to sign up preferably with your existing username.

Thanks! Admin // Dominic1743 (T-C-L) 05:33, March 3, 2020 (UTC)

Can you see the Wiki-wordmark or does it appear as if it was deleted? Admin // Dominic1743 (T-C-L) 20:07, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

Kaia Link[]

No there isn't see Here. Admin // Dominic1743 (T-C-L) 05:19, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

I used mine. Admin // Dominic1743 (T-C-L) 06:15, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

Jimmy Novak[]

Could we talk about Jimmy on his talk page, instead of reverting each others edits ?--Mgdodl (talk) 06:53, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

The Shadow's race[]

I restarted the discussion about his race, could you give your opinion on this topic ?--Mgdodl (talk) 11:44, March 24, 2020 (UTC)

Re: the Shadow[]

You're right, I added a bit more than what was actually mentioned. Thank you for catching that. FTWinchester (talk) 18:33, March 25, 2020 (UTC)

Other people intentionally call it "empty" for convenience but yeah, it's hard to tell which is the moniker or title or the real name. FTWinchester (talk) 18:57, March 25, 2020 (UTC)

Even Castiel straight up called the entity "the Empty" in the last episode. So confusing. FTWinchester (talk) 19:16, April 1, 2020 (UTC)


Are you intrested in joining the discord server? Admin // Dominic1743 (T-C-L) 20:55, March 27, 2020 (UTC)

Other universes[]

Should we really put "Extinct and Unknown in Alternate Universes" in the Archangels page? We don't know if Chuck is destroying Heavens and Hells as well. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 14:21, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Then we should put "Extinct and Unknown in Alternate Universes" in all pages like Demons, Humans, Monsters (vampires, shapeshifters, ecc) and Angels? Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 17:56, March 28, 2020 (UTC)


I've been asked to warn you against putting your assumptions and speculation into articles. Specifically in the episode trivia and sometimes in character and title pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:46, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

I was just asked, as a more senior admin and bureaucrat, to warn you. You can ask Mgdodl or Dominic about the specifics. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:58, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Well, we are on good terms, aside of the trivia point thing and me and Dominic thought we can't tell you that, except somebody who's higher ranking. Sorry, I should've gone through searching for specifics, but I thought that would be obvious, which I know, that's it not. Something confuses me what message do you mean ? (Here, here, here, I listed a few but there are more, some can be even found in the errors section)--Mgdodl (talk) 20:46, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Warning expunged. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:26, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Background image with Sam and Dean[]

Do you from which season the wiki background picture is ?--Mgdodl (talk) 20:52, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

You overlooked the question above. Do you have the book Supernatural: Fresh Meat and did you read it, there are some things, where I'm not sure ?--Mgdodl (talk) 05:24, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

If I missed something, when I added some details, could you check page about the book and add more details, if necessary ?--Mgdodl (talk) 06:57, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

The Shadow[]

Please, could you discuss your problem on the talk page instead of edit-warring, because I don't want that something like this happens, it doesn't change anything.--Mgdodl (talk) 16:30, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, but not for other topic, btw. I messaged you both, to discuss it there.--Mgdodl (talk) 17:25, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

The Shadow says "When her plan works, I finally get to go back to sleep". And nothing else. The fact that Castiel asks it if "she can do that(?)" doesn't imply that it can't back to sleep on its own. Castiel doesn't know if will be Death to put it back to sleep, he's just asking if she can. It doesn't even answer to him, so it doesn't "literally said it needed her to put it back to sleep". The details of their deal are yet unknown, assuming them would be a speculation. And the Shadow did awaken and put Ruby back to sleep again, so it has some control on it. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 19:46, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

Lucifer page edit[]

I don't understand your reason for reverting my edit to the Lucifer webpage, as it brought new information to the subsection and removed some speculations and inaccuracies. TroopDude (talk) 18:04, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

@TroopDude, I agree with you made good edits. @War, could you at least give a reason why, it makes editors think they made something wrong ?--Mgdodl (talk) 07:20, April 4, 2020 (UTC)

Is it Speculation[]

"As a demon, Lilith transformed souls into demons by tormenting them many years."

I think that's speculation, what do you think ?--Mgdodl (talk) 13:58, April 6, 2020 (UTC)

I don't want to seem rude, but you forgot to answer my question ?--Mgdodl (talk) 19:44, April 7, 2020 (UTC)

Edit Summary[]

Since you have a higher position, like me and the others, it would be better, if you would use the summary in some cases instead of making things quick, because it could be confusing for a user if you're undoing an edit of him and he doesn't know even the reason and could make users lose interest in editing the wiki.--Mgdodl (talk) 21:20, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

Discord Issue[]

Can you sign into the wikis Discord? People are impersonating you and FTW. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:15, May 23, 2020 (UTC) It's not difficult. You just need to make an account and log-in. That will halt the attempts with one act I'm to understand. Even I logged in once. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:18, May 23, 2020 (UTC)

Alternate Universe[]

Could you state your opinion to this topic ?--Gabriel417 (talk) 15:09, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

The Heroes' Journey page edit[]

I don't see a reason why you would remove the plot that i added to this page? If your problem was with the links, why remove the whole plot instead of just the links?? Rhythmxx (talk) 14:40, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I've cleaned up the edit. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:35, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Loki's Kids[]

But wouldn't it be more speculative to assume that things did not played out like in the lore? I feel like when the show leaves something open like that, assuming that show did contradicted/changed the actual mythology is more speculative that assuming the show didn't you know? But idk. Doctor49 (talk) 00:01, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind i read through the transcript of the episode and Sleipnir calls Loki father at one point, it could still mean that Loki raised Sleipnir as a man, but let's leave it as it is. Doctor49 (talk) 00:51, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

Jack Kline (Nephilim)[]

I wonder why the "(Nephilim)" is there. It's not like there are two Jack Kline's and we need that to diferentiate. Besides, his bio already states that he's a nephilim. If you agree with me, could you please move the page to Jack Kline? Thanks in advance. VendettaRev (talk) 21:37, June 30, 2020 (UTC)

Rowena likes Republicans[]

In season 12, Rowena said she wanted to have drinks with Republicans, so i dont know why you keep removing it.....

Re: Editor[]

Hi there. Hope you're doing alright. We've been here in the wiki for roughly the same time since 2012, I was just wondering if you're also having trouble loading the editor? No matter the device or browser I'm on, it seems to load/buffer endlessly. However the classic editor works just fine and opens in no time at all. I'd appreciate your feedback. Thank you! FTWinchester (talk) 06:12, July 26, 2020 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks. I can think of a lot I want to work on but I frankly don't have the time like I used to. FTWinchester (talk) 15:49, July 26, 2020 (UTC)

Well, there's still stuff to work on this wiki, in the categories Stub and Needs Improvement.--Gabriel417 (talk) 20:12, July 26, 2020 (UTC)

Gabriel's death list page[]

You need to take it to that pages talk page to hash this out and not edit war. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:00, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

You can find the appropriate talk page here. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:11, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

Archangel Page[]

For some reason the images arent showing on the page do you happen to know how to fix this? Dominic1743 (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Super wiki[]

I've noticed how Lucifer's synopis is copied almost word for word Here I also noticed how this wiki had it first It appears that they are being lazy I know I'm just asuming this but still. Dominic1743 (talk) 06:43, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I feel stupid. Dominic1743 (talk) 07:29, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Resistant to Ruby's knife[]

You has been said that Alastair has been survived a mortal stab, which kind of mortal stab Alastair has been survived can you described this more exactly please?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Sam or Dean (can't remember which) stabbed him with the knife when he first appeared in the church but he just shrugged it off and got his hands on the knife as a result. Ruby complained about it later when she found out that they had lost the knife.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I admit that Alastair hardly flinched, but you know what, do you remember where Sam stabbed Alastair?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

In the chest yes. In a spot that's typically fatal to demons. Stop spamming my talk page and all of the pages related to this. Oh and you need to sign your talk posts.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Alastair was never stabbed into his own chest, it was just only below his own shoulder. Typical fatally are being stabbed into the midd of the chest.

Alastair was both times stabbed on the left shoulder.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Btw, you can add the unsigned template (as an example like this, {{unsigned|}}), and add those signs kinda by yourself, if the users neglects it.--Gabriel417 (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Telekinesis and many of the kinesis powers are the same. If you list Biokinesis as separate from it, than everytime someone got thrown into a wall is Biokinesis as the skin is organic. It should be listed like this.

Telekinesis •Biokinesis To illustrate how the various kinesis powers derive from what many call Supernatural Flickering to the wall. Beau in season 8 said this.

Also Astral Perception and Clairsentience is the same power.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

New Message[]

Sorry forgot to tell you that. I talked to Dominic on Discord and among the talks was this. That many of the kinesis powers are just either advanced techniques or just another take on Telekinesis. Such as Telekinesis and Biokinesis. Many think they are separate powers but it also could be explained by simply using Telekinesis to crush organs or make someone’s molecules rapidly move to explode. Biokinesis in many other powers like it would be separated if you create something with Biokinesis. To illustrate my point is Fred Jones. Sam said as an average psychokinetic can move things with their mind, but someone like him can reshape reality. Telekinesis is the source of these powers.

Also Astral Perception and Clairsentience are worded to have the same exact ability. Both list to see ghosts, reapers, demons, angels etc. I didn’t want Dominic or I to go changing some of these and having the edits reverted.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Well with molecular combustion I could say those with Archangel or God Power could finely tune telekinesis to work on the subatomic level like Jean Grey from Marvel, but I know different series. But with Biokinesis I would say it is something like this if you agree.

Telekinesis •Biokinesis

This way it lists the power as simply a technique of the telekinesis. As usually telekinesis can’t create only manipulate what already exists. With the possible exception of telekinetic shockwaves like Jack did through season 13.

Biokinesis should listed when it is used to create or influence life beyond telekinesis. Such as creating monsters like Eve or germs like Pestilence.

Also did you look at Astral Perception and Clairsentience?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 04:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I meant as MC would be like the ultimate technique of Telekinesis. Usually only possible with beings of Archangel or God Class.

Also I mean for the other two pages. Astral Perception (not Astral Projection) and Clairsentience. Both are list as the ability to see or sense the same things. Seems a bit redundant to me. Like either one could be used to explain sensing supernatural energies, seeing usually invisible supernatural beings or their true forms, or telling the innate nature of something or one’s like knowing it’s past or telling if it’s from the future.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 05:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Would you be willing to have MC to also be a technique of Telekinesis as well as a separate power based on how it is used? As Dagon and Asmodeus are still power players being Prices of Hell so they could have it. As I know Charmed and Piper’s power were all just different forms of the same one. Her power evolved from slowing down molecules to speeding them up if someone took her power than they had access to both versions of it. As in her case as they are deprived from her first power. It’s like Pure’s Astral Projection. It developed as an extension or her Telekinesis to separate or move herself from her body.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Please check your email 🙂[]

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Big Bad[]

Please, fix that comma you left there, so the page will be neat. Thanks. VendettaRev (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

"Metatron'a death in Season 11" A small error you left there. VendettaRev (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Scooby-Doo Universe[]

Excuse me, I just wanted to bring this topic to your attention but the Scooby Doo universe was a world created by animators of the supernatural world it was not in any way created by God and should not be apart of the Multiverse. I saw the Scooby natural episode but again it was created by humans not God. If you’re sure that it should stay there then I guess I won’t bother you with this issue. (Kingdevo215 (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2021 (UTC))

New Wiki Rep & a few updates[]

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Anonymous user blocking[]

We never infinite ban IP addresses, those change and we could be blocking a future good editor. Zane T 69 (talk) 12:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Time Travelers[]

Hey can you add Castiel and Dean to the time travelers category? I can't edit their pages. Doctor49 (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


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Castiel's Weaknesses[]

"Castiel's feelings for Dean led to him becoming disobedient towards Heaven, and giving up his army when forced by Hannah to choose between saving Dean and continuing to lead the other angels. Ishim identified Dean as Castiel's human weakness and Hester claimed that Castiel was "lost" from the moment Castiel saved Dean's soul in Hell."

I'm not sure, I would prefer to remove this weakness. But what do you think of it's from Castiel/Abilities and Weaknesses page?--Gabriel417 (talk) 17:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I removed the wrong weakness, however I expected you to be faster than me, weirdly enough you didn't remove it before me.--Gabriel417 (talk) 17:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Lucifer (The End)[]

Is he an alternate reality character too or are alternate timelines different or are alternate timelines the same like an alternate reality?--Gabriel417 (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I think I made a writing error, but I fixed it.--Gabriel417 (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I see, but where should I place this Lucifer in the angelsbox template, now?--Gabriel417 (talk) 06:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, right now this Lucifer is among the Alternate Reality angels and if you're referring to the section there are the archangels of the main timeline/universe.--Gabriel417 (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Are alternate timelines different or are alternate timelines the same like an alternate reality?--Gabriel417 (talk) 13:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Lucifer's body in Inherit the Earth[]

"When God resurrected Lucifer, he conjured Lucifer his own body in the shape of Nick rather than bringing the archangel back in a vessel, resulting in the body exploding into ash when Lucifer was killed." Sorry, I have to ask again. But was the sentence above confirmed in episode 19, because it's also written in the abilities and weaknesses page of God?--Gabriel417 (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

You restored the sentence I removed? But when was it confirmed in Inherit the Earth bring up an actual proof, I've seen the episode myself and even checked the transcript??--Gabriel417 (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

You overlooked my questions in this section and the Lucifer (The End) above?--Gabriel417 (talk) 12:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Weeks have passed and you didn't respond to my questions from April 24, in this section and the one above, "Lucifer (The End)" ??--Gabriel417 (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

FandomDesktop follow-up[]

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Hey. I just wanted to give you an update that Zane is having Tech problems and he wont be able to do anything for a while, so we need to increase activity to protect the wiki. Dominic1743 (talk) 05:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Re; Battle for Creation[]

Hi, I hope you are doing well. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this one: Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Renaming suggestion for Hell's Torturers by an user.[] What do you think about the suggestion should the name remain the same or is a change necessary? Please respond on the talk page--Gabriel417 (talk) 08:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)