Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the User talk:Calebchiam page.
Feel free to go ahead and create the page. As long as it makes sense, it's fine to create the article. Likewise for any other articles you might want to create. Thanks. Calebchiam Talk 03:20, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Hello there and welcome to this wiki foundation! I really like the article titled "Gods" that you constructed; it makes a great addition to the database here.
If you have any question, thoughts, and opinions please don't hesitate to post a message on my Talk page.
Anderson54, March 5th 2011
Hey there!! No, this is not the only wiki that has good information, wiki templates, character biographies and other Supernatural related stuff. In fact, I also contribute to a wiki called Super-Wiki, which in my opinion, has better information to Supernatural related stuff. But don't get me wrong, this wiki is still resourceful and great.
Anderson54, March 5th 2011
Re: Gods page.
To answer your question, yes and no. While in most respects the page is formal, some of the information you’ve posted is obscure and somewhat speculative, e.g., the stuff about the ancient, higher level, young gods is not exactly Canonical, as it seems more of an opinion than fact itself because the show itself hasn’t given those titles to them. But still, in my honest opinion, yes I think there are different levels of divinity in Gods. So with that said, I may change some stuff; nothing too major though just minor stuff.
Anderson54, March 7th 2011
Re: Soul pg.
Hello there!! I got your message and thank you for creating the "Soul" page here, and yes, it is definitely a "hot topic" or a tight fixture for Season 6. The whole thing interests me a whole lot :) I made all the changes to the page that I thought it needed; feel free to check them out.
Anderson54, March 9th 2011
Hey, could you please share your opinion on the monster strength-scale on its blog by 123bante123...http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:123bante123/Strength_scale_in_monsters#comm-8983. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:50 PM, January 14th 2012
In a way, the term "magic" is universal, encompassing lots of different things, while sometimes it can be limited. In this case, I'd say leave the already-existing page, and document all the different types of magic, used by angels, gods, demons, witches, fairies, etc. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:18 PM, January 15th 2012
Yes, I heard your request to become an admin, but didn't have an answer at that point.. To become an admin, you first need certain qualities. Qualities include, but are not limited to, leadership, outgoing, and respectful. I personally find you to be kind, and smart, despite your grammar mistakes, which you don't do often, anyways. Tell you what, you just keep editing, and you'll be on your to becoming one! :) Happy editing. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:32 PM, January 15th 2012
I just made you the chat moderator to start you off, so enjoy, and please don't abuse your powers, which I doubt you will. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:40 PM, January 15th 2012
I'm pretty sure there not
I'm pretty sure there not monsters, or eve's creations for one thing, they were created by oberon king of the fairies, for another they reside in there own dimension, only coming here when summoned, also they have own different types and species, rather than with monsters, you only have one type, per monster, there is also the fact, they posses such great powers, which most monsters don't, they don't eat people, and they are ruled by oberon. General MGD 109 00:54, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about something else, nether mind. General MGD 109 10:09, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well, it's definitely a possibly of the credits misspelling the name, however there are some many names going around, that I don't know what's legit. Tell you what, however you think it's spelled, is what you can title the page. :) -- ImperiexSeed, 6:07 PM, January 27th 2012
Hey, could you meet me on chat for a minute? -- ImperiexSeed, 3:36 PM, February 4th 2012
I need an answer on something, could you please meet me on chat.. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:55 PM, February 20th 2012
Should we have dreamwalking as a page?
Hello, following the admin asking me if I had any ideas for a page, I came up with dreamwalking, as many beings, Angels, Archangels, Sephirms, Higher demons ect can go into peoples dreams, and even manipulate them, well he's unsure wether it should have a page or it should be classed as a form of telepathy, so we decided to ask other uses what they think of it, so if you would be so kind as to tell him what you think, it will be much appreciated, thank you. General MGD 109 19:37, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, but don't tell me, tell him, its his discision, Its just my idea. General MGD 109 19:42, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
I have two quick questions that I need answers to, so please meet me on chat. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:16 PM, March 3rd 2012
Sure, I'll be right there.General MGD 109 00:29, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
It seems okay now, just slow. General MGD 109 00:39, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Are you still there? I lost connection, and now there seems to be a problem, I don't know how much your getting. General MGD 109 00:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
I'll come off, and go back on, and see if that makes a differance. General MGD 109 01:04, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I have talk to you later. General MGD 109 01:12, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
The Locationstemplate needs minor tweaking. Could you please fix the mistakes, because they're making the Whereabouts section indented. Go to the page, and fix it. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:34 PM, March 10th 2012
How time flys man, i never thought u would be a "Supernatural" fan like I am, but i guess we never got the chance to know each other well. if u wanna catch up i can be found on here. http://synoptic.wikia.com/wiki/Synoptic_Wiki I would really like to see an old friend. Phantombeast. ('Talk') 22:03, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Just me - ImperiexSeed. I propose a merger, combining info on Ailments control and Moluckinesis into one. Do happen to know the kenetic name for controlling diseases. When/if found, get back to me. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:42 PM, April 4th 2012
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Cas, while wielding all of Purgatory's souls possessed astounding High-level Reality Warping power. Wait, so the quote said, "We need to keep Michael and Lucifer's Cage"? Very well, so either he wasn't able to beat Michael or Michael's stronger. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:53 PM, June 20th 2012
It would be completely obliged if you meet me on chat. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:01 PM, July 29th 2012
On a unfair matter
Hello, I writting to you, on the Matter, that our Admin ImperiexSeed, was initially granted his request for a Bureaucrat position, but was then only minutes later denied, on the grounds that the User believed he exploited his position and abused his powers. Acting like was better than other users and such. To get the full Gist of it, go to his page and read what they have written.
I find this both unfair and incorect, and I believe you will agree with me, as such I wrote a complaint to the Wiki staff, and I'm writting to request you do the same. After all our Admin doesn't abuse his powers, and is in perfect right to recieve a Bureaucrat position.
In case you are unsure how to do this. Here are two links.
The first one is the one I used, the second is if you want to contanct a certain member of the centeral Staff. Any way which one you chose is your decision. Well thats about it, I'm sure you agree with me, on the fact that these claims are both inaccurate and unfair, so thank you, if you have any questions write to me, or if you want ask him himself. General MGD 109 20:32, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
Exactly where does it say in Salute to Supernatural New Jersey 2010 that gods didn't gain power from worship and why they are normally beyond demons.
Salute to Supernatural Vancouver 2010)
I'm looking throughout all these videos and its just them goofing around.
Could you meet me on chat?
Thanks for altering me, I commend it. First off, let's ask: What is canon? Canon is what's said or seen in the series. So since Death untruthfully said in the end he will reap God, it can be mentioned in articles on the Supernatural wiki. Now do I agree with it, no. I myself also asked him to stop doing things that he continuously did. On my talk page, he told he'd stop, so I recommend you ask him. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:41 PM, November 26th 2012
Mentioning Vancouver, New Jersey
You were saying stuff about the pagans and gods were mentioned in Vancouver, do you recall who said them ?
All right fair enough. But Sam did make it clear that they drew a large amount of power from sacrifices, which would be a part of worship. Chronos had to make his own sacrifices for himself so he could have control over his powers. Of course it makes sense that they don't draw power from whether or not people believe in them, but it has been verfied they do draw power from worshippers (worshippers implies that people worship them, otherwise they would just say believers)
Response to re-editing Deities page
Worshipers implies that people worship them. Otherwise they would just be called believers. You can believe in a god without worshipping it. Sam has confirmed that the gods were weakened when people stopped worshipping them (this includes sacrifices). For verification, please watch Time After Time (Season 7, Episode 12)
Holy White Light/Angels' True Form
Holy White Light is an attack precisely executed, generally initiated through a vessel's hand/palm - a clear demonstration of will. When 'seen', the phisology of an Angel can blind and deafen mortals. These two, here, certainly differentiate from each other. Metatron's presence, when he brushed by, deteriorated Crowley's vessel's skin, sizzling it off. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:32 PM, May 2nd 2013
- I do not appreciate your tone. So, STOP - and talk to me nicely. But, yes, we can drop this. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:58 PM, May 2nd 2013
- Ok, for your information, I, as a user, can edit whatever page I want except for userpages. So, by that standard, I can edit your talk page. You, actually, were taking a tone. Have a good one, buddy. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:35 PM, May 2nd 2013
Hello. Imperiex and I were just wondering if you would like to be one of the advocates for the creation and policing proper tense usage in the wiki? It's mainly about ensuring narrative articles are in the past tense, and that other users/contributors know about this. It would really be great if you join us in this campaign/crusade or whatever you call it. Please leave a message on my or Imperiex's talk page. The forum on tense guidelines/policy is here . FTWinchester (talk) 02:26, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
I understand your points, and I get that was your intention, but if its causing so many problems it might be best to cut it all off, and only mention it in the trivia section as you suggested. But as I said, that is simply one solution there are probably others we can explore. I simply felt it would be the easiest solution, but if your really agaist it, I am willing to try others. I also understand the possibility on the word "Pagan" but I don't think we can do much about that, as is straight out of the show. You know I often wonder if we would have any of these problems if someone had made the mistake of including Hindu deties in with the other Pagans, how could they have thought that would be a good idea? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:03, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
I see your point, but we shouldn't let any one or few user(s), dicktate what is canon and not canon worthy of telling and what is right to keep separate and together. Meaning, as it in canon God is seen as a deity by Angels, Humans, even by other deities at least as a higher one, than it canon. But, here is a compromise if we cannot keep the mention of God and the other beings with similar status on the front of the page. That it be moved to the trivia God and all being views like god, and that at least God keep the cateogory deity as that is a fact of the show. But I also think, we should not removed, but reduce the word pagan on the page. Like, overstating a title or full name is tacty in wrighting. It would be like say Dean Winchester everytime, his name would be used in an sentence. Like stating every so often, pagan gods/deities is completely ok. But too many times, and it seems like we are trying to hard to show it, you see what I mean.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 04:28, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
Re: Your blog
Looked at it and loved it. I prepared a rather expansive input on your blog, and I really liked the fact that your arc has so many interesting and epic possibilities. FTWinchester (talk) 14:59, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, sorry for the late response. Since you mentioned that you'd be willing to create a userblog for the adminship request, please take a look at Supernatural Wiki:Requests for adminship and follow the instructions to create your RfA at Supernatural Wiki:Requests for adminship/Twilight_Despair_5. I'll close in it a week once other users have voted on it, and you may post on users' talk pages to seek their input (emphasis on input - it would be in bad taste to ask users to vote in your favour). Let me know if you need any help, cheers. Calebchiam Talk 16:14, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
- Please read through and follow the instructions on the RfA page. A user blog is not how you do it, I'm afraid. Calebchiam Talk 01:44, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
I created your RfA page. You can find it here. http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural_Wiki:Requests_for_adminship/Twilight_Despair_5 RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 16:55, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
Those are not my questions, buddy. They came with the template for RfA. Anyway good job on the questions! Let's wait for Calebchiam now. RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 16:56, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, TD5. As you may have noticed, several users have been spamming flame and criticism war against each other apparently from an old argument they had from other websites. Discussion could be found here. I tried to find a way to mediate but things have gotten so blown out of proportion that the only option I see is to just block everyone involved as pretty much everyone had no significant contributions to the actual wiki itself. I would really appreciate for you to weigh in on this. Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 23:34, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
I think it's quite alright. They've been banned and Caleb already stepped in that night on chat as things were wrapping up. Thanks for responding, though. Happy holidays! FTWinchester (talk) 13:47, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
Can you do something about Sally Owens? He/she keeps putting up stuff like "Black Magic" and "White Magic" when neither are canon to Supernatural at all (I don't ever recall the two subjects even being mentioned, much less talked about or shown). It seems that he/she is putting information about Magic from other sources onto Witches when it holds no relevance to Supernatural whatsoever, and therefore is bias.
I explained it to him/her, and they have completely ignored it and re-edited it in. and seeing the history of the page, this is not the first time they have done this. Gabriel456 (talk) 00:35, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
It is a great honor. I won't dissapoint any of you.
Hi there. I'm so sorry to bother you but could you please ban Degrassifan31? They're a sockpuppet from my main wiki (Degrassi Wiki) and they were banned by an admin on there are coming to me on here and no one is putting up with their crap. I'm so sorry that they're bring this issue to this wiki and you shouldn't have to put up with that at all. Thank you so much! Sarah (talk) 21:57, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
im not a sockpuppet (im his friend). why are you acting like this? you're the one acting immature.
Enough, first off please sign your post Degrass. You can do this by hitting the sign icon on your edit tools or by hitting ~ four times. Now I will have the other admins will review this claim of sockpuppeting. If it's proven to any real degree I'll with make a ban that fits. Until then I my hands are tied. But for your own case Degrass don't contact Thisoneperson user at least here, until after this affair is settled. I thank all of you for your Cooperation. [[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 14:13, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
I've been having edit wars with Trip391 or EmpyreanSmoke for a little bit now regarding Sam. The most latest being that I edited Susan Carter's page saying that she shook Dean's hand and thanked and I didn't include Sam because she never actually shook his hand or thanked him, but because they're trying to bolster and equalize Sam to Dean (when the show makes it clear that Dean's the center of everything), every edit I do on pages regarding Sam if it has to do with just Dean getting thanked, etc, and Sam being left out, they keep undoing it simply because they can't wrap their heads around the fact that Sam's just Dean's shadow and just there to everyone, whereas Dean's getting all the kisses, 'thank you's,' the best lines, the ladies, he's good with kids, etc. Or like how on Andrea Barr's page I portrayed the scene as her only thanking Dean and kissing him, but they changed that too even though she did only thank Dean. I'm just letting you know because you're probably be hearing from at least one of them soon. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:34 AM, April 28th 2015
- I'll just continue under here. First off, I did't realize you were an admin, because when you suggested to Imperiex on his blog that biased statements he makes because he doesn't like a character should remain in his blog, he ignored you completely and changed how he wrote the events of Family Remains on Susan Carter's page. He said this "I edited Susan Carter's page saying that she shook Dean's hand and thanked and I didn't include Sam because she never actually shook his hand or thanked him", but when watching the episode, you can see that after Susan shakes Dean's hand, she has to turn her body after shaking Sam's as well (this also makes sense since both brothers did help the Carter family). And he is correct when he says that when he's edited recently, and left information from out of an article, someone else has stepped in and corrected his incorrect and biased statement (he then starts edit warring against them). He also doesn't seem to understand that a wiki shouldn't really be concerned with how he feels about a character, but what accurately happened in an episode, without bias. I touched on some of that here (for your reference) when I just wrote to FTWinchester. Sorry for bothering you with this, but hopefully you and FTWinchester can help Imperiex understand that the wiki itself is not the place for his bias, and that it should stay in his blog (ironically, you told him that in his blog itself). Trip391 (talk) 05:47, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently Imperiex's hatred of Sam is applied towards Jared as well, which shouldn't really matter, except he can't keep these feelings in his personal blog, as was suggested/told to him. He wrote that "she enjoyed working with Jensen" on Katherine Boecher's article, which is correct, but not all the information. When she was at the VanCon 2010 convention, she went into much more detail about the scene where she (as Lilith) had to seduce Jared (as Sam), and how she loved doing it, and was said it was over (blah, blah, blah). Personally, I don't really care if the tidbit of information is in the article, but Imperiex's complete unwillingness to be neutral on the topic of Sam/Jared and Dean/Jensen is not good. Not only is this not constructive, but can turn readers away because, frankly, they don't care about his personal feelings on the character, but would rather learn more about Supernatural. Trip391 (talk) 04:20, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
Hello, TD5. As you know, I used to be an admin, but my rights were removed roughly 6 months ago due to a misunderstanding (this is an understatement, but it's probably best if we don't go into this again, as I don't was another argument to arise). The bureaucrat CalebChiam removed my rights due to this incident, and said that if you and the rest of the community agreed, that he would return my rights back. You guys agreed that I should get my rights back within a matter of months. I jumped the gun, and requested my rights back nearly a month later. I admit, that was foolish, selfish, and very impatient of me. I was really excited, which caused me to ask too quickly, but this is no excuse. Because I have learned from my mistake, I have waited nearly 6 months before requesting my rights again. As you agreed that I get the rights back within a matter of months, and I have waited for almost half a year, I think it would be fair that I request for my rights back. As an admin, I will never, and I mean never abuse my power. I hate it when this happens, and the last thing I want to do is afflict that on this wiki. I will work hard to make the design ship shape, make sure the content is 100% accurate, and keep the trolls and spammers away. Some people have accused me of wanting extra rights for a "power grab", but that is not it at all. I will admit, having admin rights make me feel nice, but that is not why I want them. I want them because I love Supernatural, and love being on this wiki. I want to help the wiki grow, and keep it at its best. I love graphic design, and so admin rights would allow me to edit the home page and background. Once again, the last thing I would do is use my rights for personal gain, and promise to only use them to help the wiki. So what do you say? Will you give me another shot as an admin? Imagine what it feels like to get another shot at doing something you love. Feel free to leave a comment on my blog. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 16:25, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
That is exactly what I am doing. CalebChiam said that if the admins and some established users didn't mind me getting my rights back, then he would return them. He didn't expect me to make an official page, as this isn't a matter of electing a new admin, this is deciding if CalebChiam should return my previous rights. In this case, I only need to show that the admins and and established users don't mind me having my rights back. Thanks for for responding. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 02:26, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Re: Community Choice Awards
Hello! What's your take on a community choice awards as suggested by wikia staff Gcheung28? Her complete proposal is at the bottom of my talk page. It looks interesting but I've been quite removed from recent episodes and I only focus more on clean up. Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 17:14, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
Hey! So I have a question. Who was the main villain(s) and secondary villain(s) of Season 10? I was gonna fix the Big Bad page but I'm only on Season 5 of the series so idk who it is in S10, but judging from what I've read on articles i'd say it was the Mark/Dean and Rowena as main. But I wanted an admins opinion first. Tysonjackson (talk) 06:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
On the topic of the Big Bads, we should seriously redefine what is constitutive for a villain to be considered a main or secondary villain of a given season, because right now it's crazily out of control, and it seems like people are globing all the villains of a season and labeling them either a main or secondary villain. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:03 AM, May 23rd 2015
I think it was the Mark of Cain was the main villain. Even if the Darkness was the true corrupting force that made the mark a curse, for season ten itself was trying to remove it. The darkness could be the season 10 secondary main villian as it was the true corrupting force. Rowena could be seen as a predominate secondary villian. As well as Cain when he became evil again. The Franksteins could be seems as other predominate villains for the end of the series. Crowley wasn't a villian directly this season neither was Metatron. This season I think had the most villians.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Standard for being a main or secondary villain/the Darkness
There should really be a specific, usable standard that we can use for what constitutes being a main or secondary villain, not just globing every villain that appears and piling it onto the page. That's not what the page was originally created for. Seeing as you have nothing to support saying that it's a magical force or a deity, your claims are weightless and neither of these should not be put on the wiki as being so till its confirmed. The reason being there's no way to determine anything that specific about it that can be in any way supported, because we don't know if it's a mind, a force, etc. Saying that it is a higher being is accurate, however. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:04 PM, May 23rd 2015
Yes, death did call it a force, but it could still be a mind, a consciousness. Calling it a magical force is at this point speculative. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:45 AM, May 24th 2015
A special thank you and goodbye!
I'm leaving this wiki, but not cause of you. It was nice getting to work with you, and thanks for being my friend, you were great co-editor to work with. Goodbye mate! -- ImperiexSeed, 11:47 PM, May 27th 2015
Hey! I'm sorry I forgot I was still on there. No one ever came on so I went to get a shower and completely forgot. Just let me know whenever you're free and we can discuss it then. Tysonjackson (talk) 03:03, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
Staff member Grace mentioned that our Wiki's Main Page contains too many templates and offered to help redesign the Wiki. What do you say about that? RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 14:37, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
That is not what I meant. According to one of the Wikia Staff member, the Main Page on our wiki, (http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural_Wiki) is a quite cluttered and she offered to redesign it. I messaged you to see if you have any objections to it. It is not regarding any article. Although, we will discuss the problems associated with the Power pages and clear the confusion once and for all. Why don't you leave a message on the pages' talk pages and let everyone know what's wrong with the current notion of powers. But do you have any objection to the Wiki undergoing a redesign? RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 13:44, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
I'm glad that you raised that issue. We'll discuss with everyone, on the Wiki and come to a consensus on how to resolve the matter once and for all. RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 15:29, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
To kick start things, why dont you leave a message on those pages. People will respond and you can discuss your ideas with them and see if you can convince them of your stance. RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 12:58, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
Just a question, does the past tense thing includes the entire wiki or are there exceptions?
Hey man, a dumb question but gotta ask it, are the comments of the cast members who assist the fan conventions valid in terms in what they tell might or will happen on the show? I was scrooling Twitter today and lots of fans are exited cause Mark Pellegrino said in today Purgatory Convention that Lucifer will be back in season 11, looking for an official source other than Pellegrino's word I also discovered that apparently Cole is also coming back with his own storyline, my source so far besides looking for "Lucifer Season 11" and "#PurCon" trends on Twitter is also this tweet from a fan (https://twitter.com/loveuPetra/status/607218109728980992) Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore (talk) 23:54, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
Hey Twilight Despair 5,
I just wanted to let you know that we posted a blog about Comic-Con on this Wiki- http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:ThePK/Calling_All_Fans_Headed_to_SDCC
Imperiex's bias against Sam, again
Sorry to bother you Twilight, but Imperiex is again trying to write his hatred of Sam into articles, not his blogs where it belongs, and as you told him to. Now he's actually trying to say "Sam isn't a hero don't you understand. Every character in the show gets, I get it, why don't you?". Trip391 (talk) 01:20, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
- In addition, whenever he undoes my edit, he is not only adding his bias back into the article, but also removing numerous cleanup edits I made. Trip391 (talk) 01:24, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
OM-Flippin'-G! Just watch the show, everyone's all over Dean and is looked at as the hero, while Sam is just standing there at his side getting NONE of the recognition at all. Dean gets all the ladies, he gets along really well with children, he's the best hunter on the show, and Sam is just his shadow. Like I said before, just assuming that when Dean's thanked, Sam's just automatically included too without actually evaluating the situation and using body language or the tensity of the interaction to make the determination, IS bias. Dean was the only person to call Sam a hero for what he did in season five, and when Charlie addressed it, guess who got all the praise and the pat on the back: Dean, of course. Also, when the publisher was talking to them, she said how awesome Dean was, but when she got to Sam, she had nothing to say about him. Those are just a few examples of how Sam is regarded in the show. The definition for the word 'hero' is: 'a person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities,' and Sam is not admired or idealized by anyone for anything he does. Therefore, he is not a hero. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:31 PM, July 8th 2015
Then Dean is a hero in both senses, but the definition Google gives for it, is 'a person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.' Sam is not the hero or protagonist of the show, Dean is. Dean's the bigshot and badass, whose centrally focused on throughout the series. Dean was the 'holy one of God' for Kripke's arc, and if you notice, God was actually demonstrating his wrath and anger to the evils of the world through Dean, when Dean is mercilessly and awfully butchering evil. Even God seems to favor Dean. No, as a demon, Dean had very little to no control of his actions and was controlled and steered by his innermost darkest, and vilest desires. And as they're portrayed in Supernatural, to say he could've controlled himself when he was a demon, is quite wrong. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:12 PM, July 9th 2015
Imperiex's bias still
Again, Imperiex is wantonly ignoring what you told him about keeping his bias in a blog. As an admin of this wiki, can you please take administrative action to make sure this wiki stays neutral, and not written from one person's hateful bias. This is the Supernatural wiki, not the "I hate Sam and Jared because Dean is the best wiki". Trip391 (talk) 00:57, July 10, 2015 (UTC)
TD5, as you know, Imperiex is spreading his Sam hatred all over the wikia, everytime he edits. As annoying and frustrating as it is, it is one thing when he fills blogs and talk pages with it, but he won't stop adding it to articles either. I think he has been given more than enough warnings, and has proven that he will not stop vandalizing the articles. Can you please give him a ban to show that his behavior and actions are not acceptable, and won't be tolerated? Thanks EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 18:59, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
TD5, I didn't post anything at all bias on any articles. On Charlie's page, I put a picture of Dean and her watching a movie, and on Krissy's template, I took off Winchester Family, and just put Dean, because she showed no interest or affiliation towards Sam at all in any of her appearances. Also, on Andrea's page, I said that she kissed Dean and thanked only him, because in the episode, she never thanked Sam. I've seen the ep many times, as it is one of my top favorite eps, and her exact words were: "You saved my son, I can't ask for more than that," after which she kissed Dean and thanked him. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:02 PM, July 27th 2015
- On Charlie's page, there was no reason to change the picture except "Dean's the best character and hero of the show!" Additionally, the image was a bit off, and didn't look right on the page with Dean's mouth wide open, whereas the other image displayed Charlie in the Men of Letters Bunker's garage. If someone took a good screenshot of them watching movies and drinking beer, that could better fit in a relationship section or on their relationship page. On Krissy's page, there was no reason to remove the Winchester Family affiliation, because she was affiliated with the Winchesters (Sam makes up the other remaining part of the Winchester family, not just "the hero" Dean). And in Dead Water, before Andrea kisses Dean, she thanked both brothers, not just "the hero" Dean. However, Imperiex again refuses to see this because it has to do with "the worst character" Sam. Trip391 (talk) 22:56, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
You are correct, Trip391, Dean is the best character and Sam is the worst character (in all of fiction and literature). ;) Anyway, no she does not thank Sam. After she kisses the hero Dean, she thanks Dean and then they leave. Sam is not thanked anywhere in the conversation. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:00 PM, July 27th 2015
Hey TD5, I'm good, thanks for asking. I'm just annoyed by how much hate Imperiex is spewing over the wikia, which is leaking into the articles. This has been going on for a long while, and he refuses to stop vandalizing. Here are some of the bias changes that he has made to articles since he got back from "leaving the wikia".
Also, about the soul thing: When Dean was taking to Death, he asked him if he could "hack" the hell part of Sam's soul off. Death replied that a human soul isn't a "pie you can slice". He said that it cannot be broken, not even by a being as powerful as he. Yes, the word "broken" could mean "destroyed", but in the context of this conversation, it is clear that he means it can not be broken into separate pieces. A few examples of souls being destroyed is when Mary canceled out the Poltergeist with her own soul, destroying them both, and in season 7 when the ghost absorbed the power from other spirits, which destroyed them. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:34, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
In the episode "Home", Missouri said "Your mom's spirit and the poltergeist's energy, they canceled each other out. Your mom destroyed herself going after that thing." I think she made it pretty clear that her soul was completely destroyed. Although, with the ghost in season 7, I think you are right. I think that he absorbed the soul altogether, even leaving the consciousness, like when angels and demons absorb souls. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:36, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
In addition to spewing his Sam hate across the whole wikia, he has once against become paranoid about me "stalking him". After he commented on a blog, I also posted my views, and then he accused me of spitefully following his edits, and stalking him. When I confronted him of his paranoia, he said "screw off". EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:03, July 29, 2015 (UTC) @EmpyreanSmoke: Run to mamma, you little boy. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:11 PM, July 29th 2015
^More immaturity and harassment from ImperiexSeed; not suprised...Imperiex was once a good editor, and established user. Now all he does is vandalize articles with his hate, fill his blogs with it, and harass me with his paranoia. Please TD5, you've got to stop this. He has been given more than enough warnings, and continues his obnoxious behavior. Please, issue the year ban you warned him about, so the wikia can know some peace, and this madness can stop. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:19, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
You are the only admin who has been active in over a month. I'm not sure what the statute of limitations are for inactivity, but I think you are able to make this decision without it being an abuse of power, as you are the only active admin. I think him continuously vandalizing pages and harnessing other users should be enough to issue the ban, but if you want to wait for him to do something over and beyond, that is your call. Just think about it though, it would be better for the state of the wikia. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:36, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I didnt mean to sound like I was making your decisions, I was requesting that he be banned, and gave you the reasons/evidence as to why he should be banned, so you could make your own decision as to what to do. Yes, I agree that we need a neutral admin; one that does not make decisions based on bias. But I don't think that you banning him would be unneutral, as you would be doing it because he vandalized and harassed. Yes, admins should be active at least every week, and I still think that we have too little admins, especially with FTW and RagHavD being inactive for a long while. If they remain inactive, I think I will request my rights back; That is if you support them being returned. Again, I know that you created a consensus amongst the admins as to whether or not Imperiex should be banned, but they aren't active right now, so they aren't responding. How long will you wait for them to respond before you make your own decision? How about if they don't reply within a week, you take matters into your own hands, and make your call? I think that sounds fair. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:04, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
Hey TD5. Sorry to bug you, I know this who scene Imperiex caused is taking up all our time, but could you please unlock the God page? There are some edits I'd like to make, and I don't think that the vandels will undo it again. If they do, you could lock it again or ban them. Thanks in advance! EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:11, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that. I wasn't suggesting that we remove the term "Primordial Being" from the articles all together, I was just saying we shouldn't list it as their species in their info box. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 18:56, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
Imperiex, yet again
Really, you're gonna throw a fit over that? Wow, lol. We live in the U.S., I'm allowed to express myself; freedom of speech. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:03 AM, August 1st 2015
- Just because you/we/they live in the US, doesn't mean you can just say whatever you want to people. :/ EternalLocket (talk) 07:28, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
Re:Just making sure
Yea, it was Imperiex's response here to my changing Crowley's status back to unknown, since Mark Sheppard was clearly messing with all the fans as a joke during the summer hiatus. I thought we should keep it at unknown until we see the episode in October, and it confirms Crowley's fate beyond Mark Sheppard's joke, but I guess that made me a "dipshit", according to Imperiex? As it turns out, Andrew Dabb slipped up and accidentally confirmed that not only will Crowley survive the events of the finale, but will also be seen in a whole new light, so my caution was valid. Trip391 (talk) 01:48, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
Hey TD5. I think you handled Imperiex's case very fairly. You didn't give him the year ban because he said that he would stop, but you did give him a two week ban for the things he had already done. I'm glad that all of this is done, and that ImperiexSeed didn't have a long term ban, because he is such an established user on this wikia. Like I mentioned before, with you as the only active admin, I was thinking about asking CalebChaim to return my administrator rights. I listened to what he said before, and realized that he was right. I had a lot of maturing to do, and needed to work on my judgment and confrontation. While I am still working on my confrontational skills (when I am getting upset), I really feel that I have matured since then, and have got a better stance on my judgment. I know that you gave me your full support last time I asked for my rights back, but I wanted to check up with you in case you have changed your stance. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 06:35, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
Actually, ImperiexSeed gave me his support when I asked to get my admin rights back. The only person who was actually against it was RaghavD. If you still think I should wait, then I'll take your advice, but it shouldn't be because of Imperiex, because he was in favor of my rights being returned.
Also, it was heavily implied that humans were created through macro evolution. In "The Man Who Would be King", Castiel was talking about a fish that was crawling out of the water, and that he shouldn't kill it, because there were "big plans for that fish". It was implied that humans would be evolved from this fish. Also in "Reading is Fundemental", Castiel said that he thought it would be the neanderthals that evolved into humans, and he was surprised when it was the homosapians. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 17:49, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
On Gods page it doesn't say that the creations are listed in order, so I think that we should just leave them the way they are. There isn't any evidence implying when Heaven was created, so I think leaving it the way it is would be the best choice. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:57, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Durant vs Duval
This guy from the Bloodlines backdoor pilot should be named "Julian Duval", but his article is at "Julian Durant", and Julian Duval redirects there. His sister, Violet, is listed on IMDB as "Violet Durant", even though "Durant" wasn't said in the episode. I tried to move it, but the redirect prevents me, so can you delete the Julian Duval redirect, and move Julian Durant there please. Trip391 (talk) 01:01, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'll check/fix the redirects in a little while. 03:20, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Can you do something about Thegallaghers33? He/She keeps messing with Max Miller, editing to make it look like Max was an archangel. and they continue to do this despite being undone several times.Gabriel456 (talk) 23:20, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, TD5. How's it going? I set up an RFA a while back when I was thinking about befoming an admin again, and forgot that I made the page until now. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the page when you can? Thanks so much. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:05, September 18, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. By the way, you added your views of Imperiex's adminship on my RFA page instead of his. Just wanted to let you know. Have a nice evening. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:14, September 20, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, man, do you mind also commenting on my RFA with what your stance is on if I should get admin rights or not? Thanks a lot! -- ImperiexSeed, 8:16 PM, September 19th 2015
Edit War Leviathans vs. Archangels
Hey TD5, it seems we have no state of concensus regarding the question whether archangels can kill leviathans or leviathans can kill archangels. As the archangel pages are blocked for non-registered users, the edit war shifted to the invulnerability page, with ip users and me (as IP) involved. The weaknesses blog came to no general agreement, as Calebchiam declared that a consensus can't be made by majority. He collected almost all the arguments for further discussions here and seems to think, that we can achieve a general agreement. I think as long as the dispute is not resolved, we should let the Leviathan-archangel question open, adding on the archangel pages the possibility that leviathans can kill them and on the leviathan page the possibility that archangels can kill them. Lambda1 (talk) 19:20, October 8, 2015 (UTC)
Can you remove my contribution page? 220.127.116.11 12:26, October 12, 2015 (UTC)
Umm hey i just wanted to talk about few things about spn . So whenever you see this give a buzz however you can .
Hey TD5, somebody is constantly changing the language of the Odin page and adds powers not shown on the show. Could you please block this page for non registered users ? Btw, could you lower the protection level of the Lilith page ? Thanks ! Lambda1 (talk) 11:34, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
Rugaru page move
Can you delete the Rugaru redirect so that Rougaru can be moved back to Rugaru. It seems someone mistakenly moved it, despite the fact that all but one of the scripts where rugarus are talked about don't spell it that way. Also, is this page necessary? Trip391 (talk) 07:17, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
Hey Td5. Today I made some major changes. When you are avaiable, can you check? Thanks.-SeraphLucifer
Hey td5, can you check super strength page? I have been editing with examples, reasons but Abdelfadeel always undo it with no explanations. Thank you... SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:08, October 28, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
Hey TD5, many people are trolling wikia, changing language, deleting pages, removing confirmed informations etc. Please do something about it. Thanks SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:41, November 1, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/18.104.22.168 He changed language of Odin page, dunno how many times. Also did some minor changes like removing Fred Jones pics, powers.
Can you check super-strength page? http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/22.214.171.124 This person edits with no reason, quotes nor information.
http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/126.96.36.199 He is trying to edit, but undo every single work I am trying to do. He is also adding biased information and his language is offensive. (He even wrote omfg.)
http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.8.131.52 Hey Td5, can you check this user? He is adding false information, thanks.
Its been better to lock the page but can you undo the page? I can explain the reasons:
1-Dean overpowered Castiel in 10x22. Even if Castiel did not fight back, Dean easily overpowered him while Cas was grabing and holding him. Cain was so much stronger than Dean.
2-Only Dean hurt Tamiel while they were fighting with him. He wasn't even under the Mark's influence. Cain was much stronger than Dean. (Also Dean punched Cupid and nothing happened, he even hurt his own hand. Tamiel an elite angel felt the pain.)
3-Dean with First Blade punched and hurt Metatron while he was empowered by Angel Tablet, which granted him at least archangel level power. He was significantly stronger than Raphael and Gabriel at that time. Cain was easily able to hold Dean's fists even he was empowered by the Mark.
4-Its been explained that noone in the hell is match for Lilith. Cain was presumed dead or missed at that time. Azazel is definetely weaker than both. Please remove (with the possible exceptions) part.
Also its non-releated but you told me that Cain removed and transfered the mark from himself. He didn't. In 10x14 we saw that the Mark of Cain on his arm was activated when he hold the Blade. Also its been known that only another user can kill another user. Thanks for reading. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:05, November 3, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
Mark of Cain
First of all, I'd like to ask you that, why we saw the Mark through Cain's hand were same as Dean's in 10x14? He also felt the Blade. There was even soundtrack for it. Also if Cain killed Dean without mark, he knew he'd be back because it would be simply useless. As I said only another bearer can kill another bearer. That's why it is written that the Blade might make mortal the user then kill. Nice argument tho! SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:39, November 3, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
First of all, the Mark Lucifer completely removed the Mark. Otherwise the Darkness wouldn't set free. The spell was freeing someone from the Mark. That's why they only needed Dean's DNA. If Cain was alive at that time, the Darkness won't be set free. I read about that on forums and most users share the same opinion with me. Of course that doesn't mean I am right but I believe he copied the Mark, not completely transfered it.
I am having problems with the user known as SeraphLucifer. He broke the three revert rule. He keeps adding non-cannon information. He keeps saying Archangels can kill knights of hell. He doesn't even say possibly, to imply they possibly can, yet leaving the possibility they can't. He is saying they can for certain even though we've never seen a knight of hell be killed by anything but the 1st blade. I've repeatedly warned him to stop and put my reasoning for it . He refuses and just undoes my edits without argument whatsoever. His only argument, was something along the lines of "In the lore it says the archangels could kill them."
There are two major problems with this argument. The first being: the lore greatly differs from the show. For example Lucifer is a Cherub in the lore and Michael is a seraph. Yet, in the show, both are archangels. This is just one of many differences.
Number 2: Even if we do give him the benefit of the doubt, The Knights were created by the writers purely for plot. Their is absolutely no lore on The Knights whatsoever. So that's obviously a lie.
Please ban him as it is corrupting the wikia. Thank you.
184.108.40.206 22:33, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
So, I've tried to ask Mkr11282 to write in past tense, but they don't care or think they should, despite the policy listed here which says that character articles should be in the past tense. That's all well and good and people will get around to fixing them, and bringing them up to spec in regards to the policy. Mkr11282, however, is acting way too aggressively, constantly calling me the "Wise One" and saying that anyone who actually follows the wiki's policies are part of the "Wiki Gods committee". I've asked him to refrain from this as it is considered personal attacks and harassment, but his response was this. So not only does he continue with the personal attacks, but he said he will continue to rewrite articles into the present tense despite the policy. This kind of attitude is not in the spirit of wikis collaboration, directly goes against no personal attacks and harassment and is far from being civil. Trip391 (talk) 20:56, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
- Your, and Trip391's, idea of the "spirit of wikis collaboration" is lost on me. It seems that this collaboration is only such as long as us unWise ones color within your lines. And nice 'Run-to-Daddy' play, Trip.
Awww, re dux
Don't write articles in present tense, except for like Power sections on characters. Continue to do so or make personal attacks against others will result in a block. Thank you and happy editing.Twilight Despair 5 (The God of Creation) (talk) 21:58, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
Now run to daddy is rude. Also MANY wikia write their series in past tense. As there is no point writing present for episodes change often, to the new one. So stop writing present tense or personal attack. Or get blocked. You had a warning and didn't stop. Further breaking policies that have been, in place before I was an admin will be resulted with a month long block. Thank you and happy editing.Twilight Despair 5 (The God of Creation) (talk) 23:49, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
I am so over the tense thing. Do what you want to do, luv, but don't tell me what to do. Please know that I will continue to do what i do, unless of course you Wiki Gods block me, which will actually prove my point(s). I have not made any personal attacks, just a couple of jokes; Wiki Gods are just sooo sensitive. But, put me in the corner if it makes you feel superior-ly. Oh, and you're welcome, and happy ending to you, too. Smooches. Mkr11282 (talk) 02:20, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
Can you tell us the latest in Empyrean's case? Also, can you please put your thoughts in on Lambda1's blog? 220.127.116.11 01:12, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
Also, may you please unblock EmpyreanSmoke? Though he definitely deserves it, there isn't any consensus yet while he should be banned so you should probably keep him unbanned until then.
Well, there is no quota of admins we have to meet. We'll have to make do with the remaining admins. Or perhaps we'll have more if some users step up and decide to go through the process of an RfA. Calebchiam Talk 03:03, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, that's reasonable. Though as mentioned, we did establish that nothing from the Q&A was to be taken as canon anyway. Calebchiam Talk 03:19, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Do add on to the discussion on the blog with your input though. Consensus can't be built if users abstain from the discussion. (: Calebchiam Talk 03:19, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
I'm very sorry for the way I talked to you. I was being very stubborn and harsh. Though I did feel you were biased, I had no right to say that. 18.104.22.168 00:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)