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Don't change anothers message on a talkpageEdit

Don't change anothers message on a talkpage, that is not acceptable and can get you blocked. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:24, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Re: DeathEdit

I am going by what Billie specifically said "Kill one incarnation of Death like you did, the next reaper to die takes "his" place". Her saying "his" as opposed to "their" is important as distinguishes from fact and speculation. "His" is clearly in reference to Death himself, whereas your suggestion Billie meant plural is speculative because you are interpreting what she meant by "his". Finally, be more respectful to other users as "or did that fact excape you?" is very rude which is not welcomed on the wiki. 23:07, November 15, 2017 (UTC)


It was stated by Dean in Fan Fiction that he was a Knight of Hell, and Robbie Thompson called Dean a Knight of Hell at LeakyCon, between S9 and S10.

Besides, Cain became the original Knight by being resurrected as one by the Mark of Cain (how the other Knights came to be is unknown, but the show has a tendency to leave such things unanswered, rather frustratingly). It makes absolutely no sense to assume or believe that it wouldn't have done the same with any other bearer, such as Dean.

If the Mark made Cain a knight, then it would've done the same to Dean. (Before you refute, Cain directly called himself a Knight in his first appearance)

Gabriel456 (talk) 02:11, November 16, 2017 (UTC)


First, I am an Admin. Second, it was agreed at some point in the past that he didn't fit Primordials. I originally put him there myself but it was undone ultimately through consensus basically. Third, learn how to spell. You misspelled at least a few things on my talk page. That includes the word edits. Its spelled like that, not edites.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:09, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

The discussion Wargrowlmon18 is referring to is Age of the Entity on The Cosmic Entity talk page, but there was no agreement nor was a consensus involved despite what he says, it was actually decided on by Admin SeraphLucifer on his own. I was confused myself when I was directed to the same discussion by Blaziken rjcf as to why he undid my own edit to include an image of the Cosmic Entity on the Primordial Entities page. Like you, I had no idea what discussion he meant and once I figured it out, I pointed out to SearphLucifer that at no point in the discussion is there a denouncement nor questioning of the Cosmic Entity as a primordial entity, only a debate on his age. This is SeraphLucifer's response, "Hey, I know there wasn't an exact agreement about Cosmic Entities status but since there was nothing certain about him, it was my duty to remove unconfirmed information. If you have questions or suggestions, you can write on talk page and we'll discuss about it. Thanks." To be honest, I am very displeased by the whole satiation for both the lack of clarification and for how SeaphLucifer went about his decision that had nothing to do with topic of discussion. I hope I was of help to you. 06:28, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

First, let me state that speaking good of ImperiexSeed is a bad idea. He is widely disliked and you just claimed to admire him, while we won't enforce such silence, not saying that might help you make friends here. Now, you won't be banned for speaking against Admins and you are entitled to your opinion and you are encouraged to discuss things. But you are causing some difficulty for us... This is a very small community and the users you want to occupy in conversation are generally our most devoted editers and give us the bulk of our new content.

We (Seraph, WG18, and myself) have taken over from a previous admin team, a team that didn't manage the wiki well and was inactive, didn't punish rule-breakers, and didn't clean up messes before they got out of hand. We have been trying to clean up such messes, in addition to planning several other projects and adding things to our "to-do list". With you raising several issues, you are delaying that and dividing our attention further.

I seem to have gotten off track with my explanation of why we won't be able to respond to every talkpage or concern and have forgotten what I came to say. Anyway, please exercise patience and we will try our best. When I remember what else I was going to say, I will post on your wall. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:15, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Demon page editEdit

you're welcome. Gabriel456 (talk) 16:58, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Troubles editing on the Jack pageEdit

First thing to get the hang of: proper punctuation.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 09:11, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

Help with edit warEdit

I actually agree with you on that one but again, your spelling and punctuation make it really hard to understand your messages.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 23:20, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

The EmptyEdit

Maybe and likely he didn’t bother adding Amara in his statement for that reason. And that is enough to prove my case, to put only God out of the two can’t revive someone from the void. As what if they say Amara CAN, than a lot of re-edits. Blaze has changed it back to only put God, and even other Admins. So please leave it ambiguous. Saying it’s unknown if Amara can’t or can is policy on such a statement. You saying she “can’t” is your opinion and while well founded you can’t saying with 100% say she can’t. Because look at Jack, his power while not reviving Castiel was great enough to reach him in the void, which should have been impossible based on the Entity’s statement.

And not even the Entity could figure out why he woke up. If the Entity had simply said No one but me has any pull here. Than you leave it based on his statement. But as he gave examples, we have to leave ambiguous without siding on either choice. Remember Amara is stronger than God, and because the Entity stopped at God in his list we don’t know about Amara. Amara is superior in power to God. And such he stopped at God we can’t know for sure if she could or couldn’t revive from the void as she wasn’t directly listed.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:38, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Logic not with standing, remember Amara is the strongest being to date in Supernatural. The Entity’s list stopped at God, so logically anything below him wouldn’t be able to take someone out of the void. But that doesn’t apply to beings stronger that was listed. Even if your 99% percent right, that 1% percent makes it speculative as even with his quote. You can’t say empirically that Amara or even Jack for that matter has no power in the void. It’s policy to only put information that is canon or that can’t be interpreted. The Entity’s statement can be interpreted, when he added a specific list to when he said No One but him has any pull in the void.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 12:15, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Edit message question Re:Edit

User placed the Cosmic Entity there again, so I protected it to prevent similar such edits. It should not effect you, it limited new and unregistered users. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:11, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that is what it means. Unregistered and new users cannot edit or move the page now. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:46, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

What is a monsterEdit

Monsters are defined as the descendants of Eve and as a result; the Alphas. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:06, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Of course. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:31, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

adding a category?Edit

The category already exists, and yes you can use it. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:54, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I just re-read your post on my wall (I haven't full woken up yet), and never mind about using the animals category for the Lochness Monster or Griffin. I did not mean to waste your time, sorry. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:30, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

What would go into this category? I'm reluctant to say yes to a category for two pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:44, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, you can do it. Just remember to create it as [[Category:Supernatural Animals]], the long form might get changed by others. To be clear, you mean an actual category and not a page titled: Supernatural Animals, right? Because the list looks like it's for a page. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:07, December 9, 2017 (UTC) had to edit your post since it added it to the category page. --ThomasNealy (talk) 16:13, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, that'll work, and thanks for all your hard work.Zane T 69 (talk) 16:16, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Page editEdit

The first post on your wall was NOT an official warning, it was a suggestion to avoid having to give you an official warning. As such, I removed the warning, so that others wouldn't mistaken block you in the future. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:19, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

RE: MonsterEdit

The first time, you added the category Monsters, rather than Monster. The first one is for individuals, the second is for species. You can check your edit yourself:

Orion (T-B-C) 14:12, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Because I didn't think I'd have enough time to do anything except hit "Undo". Turned out I had some more time, but I still didn't have enough time to read nor reply to your message before I left.

Orion (T-B-C) 21:01, December 9, 2017 (UTC)


There was a bit of an edit war on that last week or something. Dtol (talk) 15:16, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Vampire page Edit

Thank you for letting me know. I have reversed the edits and blocked the user for three days for vandalizim. I'm going to put a lock on that page for users without an actual account to prevent him from trying that from somewhere else.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 18:59, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Message Box Edit

Well I have two different ones--in my Profile and my Talk Page. Both say different things. Both use quotes from the show but the statements that follow are my own phrasing and wordplay. I don't mind really but it would be much appreciated if you can modify your message a bit. FTWinchester (talk) 20:33, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I'm a bit touchy over these info boxes because I pioneered the use of many of these templates here. Hope you have a good time here in the wiki! FTWinchester (talk) 20:44, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

That's more than kind of you. Don't worry, we're cool. FTWinchester (talk) 20:57, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Main charactersEdit

If you look at the main character category, main characters on Supernatural are defined as characters that were at some point, credited as 'Starring' instead of 'Guest Starring'.  These characters are Sam and Dean, obviously, Castiel and Crowley, Bela in Season 3, Ruby in Season 3, Jack in Season 13 and Lucifer from 12.15 onwards.  This has never happened to Bobby, so he shouldn't be listed as a main character.  Hope this helps! :) Dtol (talk) 21:42, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Is it this page?  Because it seems like the cast is listed in order of number of episode appearances, not if they've been starring.  Mary is pretty high up there, and Jack's nowhere to be found.  Wikipedia gives you a list of main characters here:  .  Bobby is still listed as recurring cast only. And as long as I've watched the show, I don't think I've ever noticed him not being guest starring or special guest starring, which doesn't count.   Dtol (talk) 21:57, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, fair point, but Misha and Mark S aren't listed on there either.  And neither is Alexander Calvert, who is definetly within the starring cast this season.  I don't think IMDB is that accurate, and I think it's safer to keep it the way it is now.  If you rewatch any episodes and find one where Jim Beaver is credited as 'starring' in the episode only, then he should be added to the main character page.  But to my knowledge, he hasn't.  I'm not 100% sure though. Dtol (talk) 22:11, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! :) And you can edit the characters if you want, but season appearances and stuff, if they appeared/will appear in a season that isn't listed there.  But I think all the characters are in the correct sections.  Hope it clears things up! Dtol (talk) 22:24, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Blade RunnersEdit

My bad.  Sorry, I meant to remove it... Dtol (talk) 19:49, December 10, 2017 (UTC)


I handled the anon report you posted on WG18's wall. That was the anons second offense. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:21, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Capitalised summeryEdit

Officially, summaries on episode pages are suppose to emulate the original/official summary released, and I would prefer sources be cited. As it stands the wiki is a mess and needs major work, and I simply don't have as much time as I did when I took on this responsibility. I do however continually look for potential users to help manage the wiki, and we should hopefully have the wiki in better shape within 6 months. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:29, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

I'll clarify, the capitalization was because it mimicked the official summary. But go ahead, I had hoped for someone to take on the project and make sure that each summary mimicked the official one, but it seems that no one will. To be clear, you can change them, and if anyone questions you, you can refer them to this message. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:55, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

I don't actually know, but Touchinos might. He's generally quite knowledgeable and a huge help on episode releases. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:13, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

That looks great, it's literally everything I wanted to page to be. You can implement whenever you wish. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:01, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

Great work. Also, it's spelled tomorrow, I'm not trying to be mean, but I thought you should know that. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:55, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

Re: I made a mistakeEdit

WG18 did it, but I'll tell you a little trick to substitute for Rollback rights... By going to a pages history and clicking on a revision, and then editing and saving that revision you basically re-save the preferred version and can do so without Rollback rights. All changes made after the selected older revision are lost, but I think this could help you to revert accidents or mass vandalism. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:09, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

It might be the visual editor, some users have trouble with it. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:38, December 11, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Episode SummariesEdit

Hi. I get them from random sites, mostly Tumblr blogs, but here's a few sites:

And here's a couple of active Tumblr blogs. They're heavy Destiel shippers, just a heads up.

It's nice to receive some help :) Touchinos (talk) 02:52, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean? They publish the same thing The CW release every week (The Futon Critic is better because you can go all the way back to the Pilot summary). The ones on the DVD is irrelevant. Touchinos (talk) 03:29, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I apologize for not replying. It looks great but I don't think the hyperlinks are necessary on the Seasons pages because it's not very pleasing in the eyes (especially when the summary is long), we only put those on their respective Episode pages. Oh and the capitalized words shouldn't be included on the Episode pages. Touchinos (talk) 01:55, December 13, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, they are but that's the pattern we've been following for the past 3 seasons, I think. Also, it saves a bit of space. And while I do agree about the new watchers thing, they could easily go through the Episode page then just look for the information there. Too much links in such a small space doesn't look good, for me at least. Touchinos (talk) 02:56, December 13, 2017 (UTC)

I made a forum for this topic so we don't keep using Zane's page. Click here ThomasNealy (talk) 04:50, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for want me to join the discussion, but seems like you guys already finished it :v Doctor49 (talk) 20:08, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

I was on vacation so I apologize for the late reply but yes, I'm still going to change Seasons 11 to 13. I can't find the official ones for Seasons 4 to 7. Touchinos (talk) 09:17, December 26, 2017 (UTC)

No, I don't. But did you mean the Seasons pages? Because we don't put gifs on the Episodes.. Touchinos (talk) 03:48, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

Ah shit yeah I forgot that they used to do that. I think that one was intentional though. You could resize it down to 300x168px. Touchinos (talk) 04:02, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

You could just put it on the Plot section and resize it. It should be there. Touchinos (talk) 04:35, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Block requestEdit

I already have, but thank you for making sure I noticed. I hate vandals slipping through the cracks and getting away with rule-breaking. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:17, December 12, 2017 (UTC)


Thanks, I did not proof-read that post. Lol. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:56, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Nav TemplateEdit

Sorry, I missed that. Thankfully I didn't block the person. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:35, December 18, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Image DeletionEdit

You can just put [[Category:Speedy deletion candidates That's case sensitive and I can also delete by request if linked to images. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:09, December 20, 2017 (UTC)


Well anything that's officially non-canon such as the novels and comics and any pages attached to them, yeah. But I'm not sure I totally understand what you want to know should have that template attached??? Give me a page example here or something.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:28, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Well I seriously doubt Supernatural: Night Terror is part of the Book Characters category since its actually a book but those others I definitely agree with you on. Those ones aren't mine so I never added the header to them or really looked at them. Good catch.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:49, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

You can. I'm going to bed fairly soon and am too tired to go through them and find the ones without that. For now, just do the book characters. I've never seen that thing on the book pages themselves so I don't know if that's needed there.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 07:14, December 22, 2017 (UTC)


You made the right choice in reverting the edits. I will also be blocking him. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:16, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Re: CalebEdit

He generally has to be contacted, and you would have to ask Caleb how to nominate a B-crat. It hasn't been done during my time here. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:59, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Just be careful who you nominate as B-crat, it's a huge responsibility and is the ultimate sign of a communities trust (in my opinion anyway). I really don't want all my hardwork undone, and I'm sure Seraph, Dtol, and Touchinos feel the same. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:03, December 22, 2017 (UTC) 

Thank you, so much. That's been a goal of mine for a while now and I am so glad that you've helped me get there. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:04, December 22, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Admin NominationEdit

I want to thank you for nominating me to be an admin. Would have replied earlier, but I had a bit of a busy day.  Anyway, thanks! Dtol (talk) 00:44, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Re: New TemplateEdit

The template looks great, by the way. :) Dtol (talk) 00:55, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Editing categoriesEdit

Hey you having problems with adding categories with the classic editor right? If you edit some page with the classic editor you can edit the categories in the tab Categories on the right side of the page Doctor49 (talk) 06:22, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
Editing Hell's Grand Torturer Supernatural Wiki FANDOM powered by Wikia

No problem man, you're not an idiot, i didn't know how to edit or use some resources of the wiki when i started too :v Doctor49 (talk) 06:50, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Exactly, you are NOT an idiot. Things become easier with experience and you were new to using Source editor. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:46, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Staff NominationsEdit

I tried doing that but it's not working too. Touchinos (talk) 04:36, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

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