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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help you with anything!
Also note that we are in the process of converting articles written in the present tense to the past tense. So you are welcome to edit any such article you come across. Once again, Welcome! Twilight Despair 5 (talk) 07:49, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Dont argue about what you think is stronger in the article. If it was specifically shown in the show, then put it but dont guess and dont argue about it in the article. The fact that you thin it might be possible or unlikely should mean we dont actually now what can really be true and it shouldnt be in article. --SPNfan7908 (talk) 22:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
Archangels vs Leviathans Edit
I recognized that you deleted Eve and leviathans from the archangel pages. While I tend to say archangels in their true form can't be killed by anyone besides God or The Darkness, I fully support to add Leviathans as a weakness to the archangel pages, which doesn't mean a leviathan would always win against them, (as I said the archangels know a lot of spells that could probably very well be dangerous for even higher leviathans, for example set them into a coma, ...) it just means that Leviathans could kill them. As there is no consensus on that topic, I think it would be the best to collect all the arguments from the weaknesses blog and add them to the pages. It would satisfy both sides and hopefully prevent further edit warring. After a long discussion, we were unable to achieve a consensus and according to this  wikia policy "The topic has been open for a long period of time and the discussion has reached a standstill with no sign of consensus forming. The topic should be closed, on a basis of no consensus." We should close the topic on a basis of no consensus. Lambda1 (talk) 16:13, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
Send me links of the people, I'll decide from there what to do. Thank you, for bring this to me.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:10, November 1, 2015 (UTC)
Ok not about what you messaged me from earlier. This message isn't about language changes or trolls. But Death was clear. Lucifer passed the Mark to Cain. Lucifer didn't have it in season 5. If he did no point for Michael to fight him. Even being as the good son. Lucifer would just come back. Their was only one Mark. It was undone by the spell. When Death said share he meant pass to someone else. As it was the Darkness' seal. So the owner of the Mark can give it to others. It was never copied. Now it's effects do last past it. Hence why Cain when killer crazy in season 10.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 03:42, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
I'll think about the Super Strength page. But about the Mark it was GIVEN to Deab. This isn't speculation. First off, if it was just copied Cain would have come back to life even killed from the first blade. As Death said (nothing) can kill the holder of the first curse. Also, yes Cain was back under its influence but he had the mark for thousands of years. Cain made the first blade he still could tap into its part a bit. But ultimately Dean was the current holder at that time. There has only ever been one mark, it was never copied. There are many counts of it being told it was passed from Lucifer-to-Cain-to-Dean.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 14:08, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
Ok explain this. Why did the spell to remove the mark only affect Dean? By your logic it it should have to been removed from all the holders both current and previous. The spell needed parts of the holder. Rowena used some of his hair to break the curse of the Mark. Cain might have regain the Mark as a reflect affect of holding the Blade. He was a demon made while holding the mark they didn't use any part of Lucifer or Cain in the spell. Dean was a human at that time. Cain might be able to be influence or share its power with the holder, if he gets his hands on the blade. But there is only one OWNER of the mark at a time.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:34, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
Forgot to sign, you last point. There is evidence Cain could tap into the Marks power to fuel the Blade's power while he held it. But, forums and the like are not to influence canon info here if they aren't from cast or crew. As of now the mark has only been transferred not copied and will be listed as such in articles. Until proven wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also to prove my point. Death said he could remove (the) Mark, but to give it to someone else to keep the Darkness banned. He wouldn't have cared if Dean's was only a copy as breaking the copy wouldn't logically break the seal of the cage of the Darkness. Also it could something as simple as production error on giving Cain the mark on 10x14.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 22:03, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
I reviewed and I am opting to keep it the same.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:12, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
Is there a reason why you're removing references like you have here? Regardless of the reason, you should not be removing the references unless the episode does not back up what is being referenced, which was not the case with the Rudy article. Trip391 (talk) 21:23, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
It's to late! Edit
That is it Seraph Lucifer! I've told you to stop it but you refuse! You're worse than Abdelfadeel himself! Unlike you, When Abdelfadeel edits, it's without bias, and with arguments. You don't want to discuss this like a rational human being! I'm done.
188.8.131.52 22:09, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
OK. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
Knights and Archangels Edit
Please stop reverting the Invulnerability page, as there is nothing suggesting the archangels can kill knights of hell. The lore states that the archangels needed the first blade to kill them, so this is actually evidence against your statement. Try not to revert things over 3 times in the future; talk it out on the talk pages. Thanks. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 22:46, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
Alright boss SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
It was actually on the indestructablity page.
Man, you really have some issues! Just because somone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you or are out to get you. They just disagree wuth you dude. No need to get offense man. Just chill out. 184.108.40.206 02:06, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
Death II Edit
Don't know if your watching my page but my response to you is there. Also, this message was left about you on an Adminstrator's talk page so your pissing other people off, not just me:
"I am having problems with the user known as SeraphLucifer. He broke the three revert rule. He keeps adding non-cannon information. He keeps saying Archangels can kill knights of hell. He doesn't even say possibly, to imply they possibly can, yet leaving the possibility they can't. He is saying they can for certain even though we've never seen a knight of hell be killed by anything but the 1st blade. I've repeatedly warned him to stop and put my reasoning for it . He refuses and just undoes my edits without argument whatsoever. His only argument, was something along the lines of "In the lore it says the archangels could kill them."
There are two major problems with this argument. The first being: the lore greatly differs from the show. For example Lucifer is a Cherub in the lore and Michael is a seraph. Yet, in the show, both are archangels. This is just one of many differences.
Number 2: Even if we do give him the benefit of the doubt. The Knights were created by the writers purely for plot. Their is absolutely no lore on The Knights whatsoever. So that's obviously a lie.
Please ban him as it is corrupting the wikia. Thank you."
Hey SeraphLucifer, I want to apologize for everything I said to you and my behavior torwards you. I had no right to say any of that and that was very rude of me. I was being very stubborn and rude.
Its k pal. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:06, November 17, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
Hey man! what happened to your computer?
Not online as much. Edit
Hey man! What happened to your computer? Are you getting a new one? 220.127.116.11 05:37, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
Good for you man! How'd your laptop explode anyways? 18.104.22.168 23:53, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
My Conversion pageEdit
Hi. I'm making a page for the power of Conversion, which I thought this site needed with so many characters of the show displaying it. But I wanted your opinion on it before I published:Conversion is the power to transform a being into an entirely new and different type of being.
Characters with this powerEdit
- Monsters- Monsters can transform Humans into their respective species by various means, such as bite, venom or blood transfusion.
- Eve- Eve can transform any human into any monster she wishes with only a touch. She can even transform them into a hybrid species, such as the Jefferson Starships, although it seems that she requires experimentation before perfecting it, as the betas began to die before she mastered it.
- Demons- Demons can transform human souls into demons through torture.
- Lucifer- Lucifer created Lilith, the first demon, by torturing and mutilating her soul.
Objects and curses with this effectEdit
- Mark of Cain- Upon the death of the bearer, the mark resurrects them while transforming their soul into a Knight of Hell.
Spells and rituals with this effectEdit
- Demon Curing Ritual- This ritual can convert a demon back into becoming human again.
I gave him a last warning, if it moves past blogs this time. I will block him.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:30, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
Just doing my admin job. He went from being on the thin edge of the policy page, of what is allowed. To finally breaking it and this time I made sure to make a block worthy of his actions.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 02:08, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Re: Barricading/Restricting Spell Edit
Hi, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I personally haven't seen the episode featuring the spell. Which would be more appropriate to keep? Also, please always sign your posts on users' walls. Thank you. FTWinchester (talk) 01:40, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
That's okay. It's not a bannable offense LOL. Looking closely into it, the title Barricading spell seems more aptly named. But I agree the content of Restricting page is better. How about I merge them? FTWinchester (talk) 01:49, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
We have all started with small edits and progressed from there. While your enthusiasm to improve your self is certainly commendable, asking someone else to give their opinion on your edits is not entirely fair. One man's food is another man's poison. What might look to be a minor edit for me, will obviously feel like a substantial one to you, if you have made the edit. I think you are a pretty good judge of how much you have been contributing to the Wiki. Although judging from the various conversations on your talk page, it's better to first air your thoughts on the page's talk page before you make any major changes that upset a lot of users. RaghavD'"I'm a CLASSIC man" 18:28, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
Re: Survey Edit
Hi SeraphLucifer, I generally like your edits since you keep them neutral and based on the show's facts. You also added many missing things on the articles, for example information about actors or cross reference to other pages. Even if you disagree on some matter, for example as we had different opinions on the mortality of the horseman Famine, we were able to resolve this in a neutral manner on the talk page, without any major edit warring. Keep doing your good work !
Sorry for my late response, almost forgot you even requested this but I'm not quite sure what your asking? haha. You just want to know how people think your doing? hmm i see you've active quite frequently for the most part and you give positive contributes to the wiki. Bkshadows (talk)
Good news Edit
I think you dislike this as much as I do, so here: http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Blaziken_rjcf?diff=178799&oldid=178486
Let's get to work.
From your edits, it struck me that you dislike speculation on wikis as much as I do. However, this wiki is riddled with "X can possibly hurt/kill/imprison Y", or "It's likely X did this because ____", which are fan speculation. I believed this was allowed on this wiki, but recently got the confirmation that it's not (in the link above). You've expressed a desire to help the wiki, so I thought it would benefit the wiki to share the good news with you.
Cain as a Knight of Hell Edit
Cain said it himself when he explained the truth behind what he'd done to Abel. IIRC, it was something like this:
"And so, I killed Abel. Became a soldier of Hell. A Knight."
Ban request Edit
Research is required. Because if I remember right the actor of Gabriel said he was alive.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:38, March 22, 2016 (UTC)
I've been trying to stay out of it, but sure:
If a writer says something, and we have no reason to doubt them, then that's that. We (fans) do not decide anything about the series, no matter how much some of us wish we could (like the ones who keep vandalizing specific characters' articles, presumably in a bizarre attempt to make their fantasies come true). The writer's word is the ultimate authority, because it is they who create canon. Some fans may claim they "don't consider" certain events in any given series to be canon, but their opinions are irrelevant to actual canon.
With that in mind, because this confirmation came from the actor, and not a writer, it might not be so reliable. As you mentioned, Mark said something similar about Crowley, which wasn't true.
Bobby Singer Edit
I gave them, two days to show me creditable links or articles proving he is alive. If nothing changes I will change it back.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:53, April 3, 2016 (UTC)
Profile Pictures Edit
I really really really think you shouldn't worry too much about how old or new the picture is. It's supposed to represent the general appearance of the character. The newest image of a character may not even be good, and really, Lucifer!Nick's and Bobby's are not, compared to their originals. In my honest opinion, both are better off with the originals. I mean, Bobby's one showed his whole body, full appearance, and it was a brilliant choice. If you worry about time, then add the latest image near the episode it came from. Do you agree? Kajune (talk) 14:42, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
Knights of Hell Edit
Cain was the one to recruit and make the Knights. But the Knights are both a group and a separate species of demons.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:22, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
It has been stated at least the articles here, the Mari of Cain is he source of the Knights of Hell. Like a Knights is a crossroad demon. A group of separate species of demons. And what you mean by Hope I'm ok?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:31, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Well thank you for that. :)[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:36, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
You looking to be an admin, or something?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 02:10, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
Gotcha.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 04:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
RE: Horsemen Edit
I'm checking them now.
Done. I removed the "possibly"'s from their weaknesses, the unconfirmed relative ages and origins, cut down on the Powers and Abilities sections by removing redundant or excessive information, and removed comparisons to other characters (which is irrelevant to their individual powers and just serves as aggrandizement of those other characters).
RE: A small favor Edit
Sure. I'll keep an eye out.
RE: God's Sexual choice Edit
Hey, I'm having fun. He knows he's wrong, but he's doing it because he can't separate his personal beliefs from TV. I find that sort of behavior hilarious, albeit indicative of psychosis. Besides, like I said, brings up my edit count.
Seriously though, it's my firm belief that vandalism must be fought until the admins stop it permanently.
PS: It's not a choice.
Given that I'm not looking to become an admin, that just seems like a waste. However, someone who might have an inclination toward that position might want to revert it themselves, if you know what I mean...
Hello, this is kind of a random question, but do you think a coroner or a coroner's assistant counts as a doctor or a nurse? I added a coroner's assistant, Eddie, to the category of "doctors and nurses". Is that alright? Kajune (talk) 15:02, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
RE: Admins Edit
Well, I was trying to not-so-subtly imply in an earlier message that I thought you had such inclinations, and thought you should pursue adminship. As far as an election goes, I don't see why not.
If you don't try it at least once, you'll never know how good (or bad) you are at it.
Re: Admin nomination Edit
Hey SeraphLucifer, I am fine, thanks for the kind words. I don't want to be an admin on this wiki, my home wiki is wikipedia - I try to contribute here after every main arc episode, but I simply can't guarantee to fulfill the job properly due to time constraints. I initially wanted to nominate you until I saw the message about your health issues on your page. I would still nominate you, I like your edits, your argumentation is objective and neutral. So get well soon, I would support your adminship. Lambda1 (talk) 18:16, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
- I hope you get better soon ! If you don't want to run for adminship, I suggest to inform the wikia spam task force http://vstf.wikia.com/wiki/Report:Vandalism in order to report vandalism. I used it multiple times, they normally react within 15-20 minutes. Lambda1 (talk) 19:27, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
- I am active at least weekly. I do have a 40 plus hour fulltime career job so I try to do edit at least some during the week.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:42, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
- Like when I was in college I was on Wikia sites daily. Can't now. But as I am admin here I try to block trouble makers, fix vandalism, settle arguments etc at least 2-3 times a week.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 05:38, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
Amara's prison Edit
Have a question for ya, one I'll bring up to the admins, too. In last night's episode, All in the Family, Chuck/God said that he'd make a deal with Amara/the Darkness to lock him away if she'd spare his creations. So, here's what I was wondering, do you think he was talking about the prison he trapped her in? If so, we should make a page on it, then. -- Thescarypea, 4:03 AM, May 12th 2016
Yes I locked the page, till I can make correction later today. Also God Power I think it should stay, as its canon. It's a supernatural power unique to only God and Amara. Also the trivia bit about the Mark of Cain. A. Metatron called it God level magic. B. Many have called it the First Curse.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 05:33, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
How is God not a deity? A deity is just another word for a god. As both are used for worshipped icons in faiths.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 14:44, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
That's a contradiction. He isn't of the same species of deities as the pagan gods. However he is a god|deity. Each word is synonymous with each other. Religions were built around him as stated by Amara by the very least. His power never was states to be influence by his worshippers. Pagan gods' powers are stronger when tributes are made to them. So he is independent of tributes. He and Amara also has similar properties to their power. As it awoke a Prophet, and Sam called her fog still God Power.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 16:03, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Michael "fired" him, as in, he lost his job, not his right to enter Heaven. There's a difference. Also, it wasn't explicitly stated that Zachariah was banished from Heaven like Castiel or Lucifer. Even if he was, in that very same episode, he was forgiven for his failure and got his job back, as I quote, "Back in business, boys." Kajune (talk) 07:07, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Death's claims regarding God Edit
I swear, this only happens because it's God. If Death said he could kill his siblings, it'd be on their pages without "possibly"'s or any of that other BS.
Death said he would reap God. There is absolutely no reason to doubt his statement. That's what should be on God's article; not "Death claimed he would reap God", or "Death believed he could die".
God was also wrong on many occasions. It's no reason to throw out everything he said (which we don't, again, because it's God - Death gets one thing wrong because he didn't expect it and everything he ever said is put into question; God gets many things wrong, but it's alright). However, we do know that God can die. He said his sister wouldn't kill him (not that she couldn't; note the difference), and Dean also asked Chuck how death by his sister was supposed to be a winning strategy.
God is life, and life means death. I'm pretty sure Death could have reaped God, it was his job. It's like a reaper reaping a human. They end that life's existence. Kajune (talk) 13:33, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
So we're back to this. Should we also remove Amara's supposed ability to destroy and remake the universe? After all, the universe is still standing, so it's just a claim. What about God's supposed ability to kill Amara? Or Amara's supposed ability to kill God? All we really know is that she can wound him in a way that constantly weakens him, but that's not the same. He believed he was dying, but he might have been wrong. Dean's immortality while bearing the Mark, Cain's immortality while bearing the Mark, and so on. Should we remove all of that?
In season 7, Death implies he can kill God when he asks Dean why he should kill God.
Re: Reapers are Angels Edit
Hi. This is really a tricky one. I was adamant against the retcon but as the wiki requires commitment to canon, I had no choice but to let it happen. However, at that time, there were official stataments by writer Adam Glass and his friend through twitter where they argued with fans that "reapers ARE angels". What makes this tricky is that the fan backlash was so strong that Glass was forced to delete the tweets, so it's hard for us to validate those now.
What I would suggest is for both sides to bring up proof that would prove or disprove whatever. This means going through the episode where the claim was made. Again, I don't like the retcon--if it could be proven wrong, thank God, but otherwise, it might have to say. FTWinchester (talk) 18:04, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
I, too, wanted to take that line figuratively as there are so many substantial differences between angels and reapers, and I have enumerated them several times already in the wiki. So by all means, go ahead. As long as we don't find contradicting statements.
Also, sorry you feel that there aren't too many admins right now. I felt the same way, too, and brought it to the attention of another admin, but that said admin was averse to it as it was just after 2 previous admins had to be booted out of the wiki. I think you'll find most of the admins were part of the old guard users, who now no longer find the series as engaging, interesting and/or coherent as before. That would explain the reduced activity. I still check in every few days to perform my duty though but I also rarely see the other admins as well. FTWinchester (talk) 23:34, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Like what I said above, if it has been proven with enough canon information, you are very much free to change them yourself. I could do it, but right now I only have a few minutes to spare as I have to check on the Buffy wiki for my admin role there as well. FTWinchester (talk) 22:30, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
Can you meet me in the chat?
I can be there now.
Just leave me a message again when you're available. I've been a bit busy lately.
I've been waiting for the past 15 minutes.
I have things to do, so if you're not there in about 20 minutes, I'll have to leave.
This is how you ask for request for adminship, from the other members.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:15, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
You make the page yourself or can have someone do it for you, if you can't.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:16, May 18, 2016 (UTC)
Last Calusa Smiting Edit
Go to the talk page for Smiting to discuss this. I left my opinion there but and asked you to look at the discussion page but you never responded besides to revert my edit.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:24, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
End of Reality Edit
- Sorry, it was in "We Happy Few" not "All in the Family" "Light needs dark, dark needs light. If you blow one of them up, then, I mean... It wouldn't be a good thing. It'd be really not a good thing. Like, end of reality, not good." Also, Amara's statement does in no way contradict what Chuck said. Lambda1 (talk) 09:09, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, even God speculated, but if only one of them would die (without the other dying at the same time), reality would definitely end. Lambda1 (talk) 09:12, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
Re: The Impala (Forum) Edit
Please do not mark The Impala (Forum) for Speedy Deletion. That is our official forum for matters relating to the wiki's procedures with adminship, policy discussions, etc. FTWinchester (talk) 17:45, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
Lucifer Morningstar Edit
This is why one should take information presented in a series at face-value, instead of making excuses as to why X doesn't really mean X (like, say, "first" not meaning "first"). I'm sure you saw the users over at the Lucifer wiki saying that "Mom" wasn't actually Lucifer's mom. Lo and behold, she is. I made a couple edits to fix that, one of which has my source for the information (that video). Since you're now an admin there, you can probably figure out what other articles require that tidbit added. I'm not familiar with the articles there.
If you decide to remove it, when it is restated that she is, in fact, Lucifer's mom in season 2, I won't be there to say "I told you so" (this message will immediately come to mind), but I do hope you'll learn to take statements more literally.
I hope you'll one day realize that Amara was also being literal when she said Lucifer was God's first son.
I'll let you in on a little secret: writers almost always assume viewers have the mental capacity of a toddler. That's why there's very little subtlety in most series. Writers usually make it as explicit as humanly possible because they assume we're stupid and won't notice it otherwise. When they do make things subtle, they go unnoticed by most viewers. And then there's the "signs" viewers think are there but aren't, which are just another reason why writers make things explicit. Death (who's almost always used for exposition) spoke plainly about Lucifer, the Leviathans, and Amara. Metatron was explicit about Amara's connection to God and why she had been locked away.
Long story short, writers assume viewers are stupid and, when they want an exposition scene or dialogue, make it literal and explicit.
As for the Reaper scenario, I stand by what I said: if a producer said Reapers are Angels, then that's that. However, there is now evidence in season 11 that that retcon was retconned, namely by Billie stopping time and teleporting, which Angels can no longer do.
Hi, noticed your message to Caleb. You can emulate the process on this page if you need to know how to do that, checking edit history, may help. I know I got it wrong the first time. After doing that you basically copy/paste questions from the application, and put your own answers there, maybe your motivations, and reasons.
Hey Seraph, sure. Follow the instructions at Supernatural Wiki:Requests_for_adminship#How_to_nominate to set up your application. I'll be happy to help if you have any difficulties. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 23:44, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
The Darkness's real name is Amara Edit
See my argument here.
First issue. Edit
I discovered I can't edit the "on the wiki" tab, and post a list of staff, a place to report and add a link to the policies. So I propose the creation of a page called the Admin Noticeboard which we can create links too, at the top of our talkpages. Its not my first choice, but it'll work. Opinions? Zane T 69 (talk) 03:54, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
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It's suggestive. I looked and can't find evidence to show that she and Amara are different. She birthed herself from their child. Even Amara said God made all this "after he locked me away". She didn't say after he locked you away. They are one and the same.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 17:45, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
Ah. I see your point, my bad. While were talking, what do you think about me editing the Community Messages to advertise the Admin Noticeboard? It hasn't been updated since 2015, and that'll put it in peoples minds, so they don't flood our walls with wiki problems. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:58, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
Its a great idea, I tried doing it. According a friend I trust it was impossible, I felt bad for saying I could do something, when I couldn't. That's why I created a secondary option, being the Admin Noticeboard I'v been advertising. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:08, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
You removed the Tab listing spells, rituals and objects. Which was useful, though I think you should leave it, let the other admins give their opinions. I was trying to do it, without removing a section, otherwise good work. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:42, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
Well, we may need that space to list other Era's of show runners. You may want to create a blog, to test public opinion on the changes, maybe put a poll on it too. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:06, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
An afterthought, we should debate the option, with the wiki. About if the races listed under Characters, and creatures can both be classified as beings. If they can, I think that would fit on WikiNav, and Seasons could be restored. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:23, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
Okay. Gabriel is a rollback now btw, I suggested he request the rights. Blaziken hasn't been very active recently. I'l suggest Reka request rollback rights. Do you have any ideas for a Discussion Moderator? I'v been deleting spoilers, we really need someone for just that. Though, IMO the Discussion Mod should be a more senior member, that way if chat becomes more active we can recruit chat mods to assist them, from newer members. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:30, August 19, 2016 (UTC)
Personally, I think you didn't have to be so strict. I mean, the information once there was pretty informative. Where else are you going to get/put those nicknames? Kajune (talk) 16:01, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
I kind of want to leave them for now, it's not like they're eating too much space, though putting them in the Trivia section would eat up space, since some pages have lots of Trivia information. I also wouldn't recommend creating a page for the nicknames. Kajune (talk) 16:20, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
It's not that I don't get what you mean, but like I said, it would be nice if this wikia had lots of information. If you do see this as the correct decision, then I won't say anything, but to know what someone is called by someone else, I just, personally I like knowing. But seriously, up to you. Kajune (talk) 16:32, July 16, 2016 (UTC)
They look good. Btw as its 1:21 and I have a 10 am to 7 pm shift today, so I need sleep. But can I get some help with the Magic page? Like a template with an accurate pic? Linking the different types of magic to their character or magic race, etc?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 06:23, July 20, 2016 (UTC)
Anime pics Edit
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Is this a rule? The Molly McNamara, Missouri Moseley, Mary Winchester pages all have animation captures. That's actually where i got the idea. seemed like a another fun way to promote our fun thing. just curious.Reka12452 (talk) 15:54, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
Re:Anime pics Edit
Since we have pages for the anime show, we should keep contents seperated. It can cause edit wars such as Azazel being an angel in anime but not in the show. People start to insert false information on both pages. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:10, July 23, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
Re: Reapers and Angels Edit
Also when you get the chance, any luck on your venture about reapers not being angels? I want to work on the clean up on our articles regarding that issue. Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 11:36, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
Fantastic work! My opinion is we list them as separate beings again with a disclaimer on both pages' trivia pages about an inconsistency in one episode. FTWinchester (talk) 12:36, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
- Not to be rude, but I spoke to someone who gave me doubts about reapers not being angels. I just want to know your opinion, that's all.
- Castiel's statement about angels not roaming on Earth for 2,000 is false, since cupids were around, and Jane, the half-blood, had been concieved by an angel about 20 years prior to her appearance. There are the other classes of angels who resided on Earth during this time too, as part of their duty.
- This person argued that Tessa's true form, which Dean witnessed in season 2, was an illusion. I'm not saying I'm convinced, but they did say the reaper form was a part of Tessa's plan to manipulate Dean. What Dean saw was not a true form. Reapers also seem to be possessing people while roaming the Earth, not while in the Veil, not on the natural plane, as shown Azazel possessed Tessa, and a dead reaper leaves behind a corpse.
- As for season 9, this person said : "Right before Cas warded himself he killed one of Bart's angels in an abandoned bus. We saw Sam and Dean interviewing the homeless man who had talked to Cas right before he went on that bus and in that scene we can also see the same reaper who'd met Bartholomew standing nearby and listening. The homeless man said Cas had flagged down a truck that was probably headed to Detroit because it said Motor City Meat on it. In the very next scene it was now night (so several hours had passed) and we saw April inviting Cas back to her place. There are reapers stations all over the earth and they can communicate via angel radio. All that male reaper had to do was send a message to the reapers in Detroit to be on the look out for Cas."
- That's what they said. Personally, I think Metatron's spell only affected angels in Heaven, not anywhere else, which explains Lucifer and the Grigori, and presumably Michael. I also don't remember seeing Billie teleport. And don't forget, all classes of angels are referred collectively as an angel. Castiel is a Seraph, but he only ever calls himself an angel. Lucifer called himself an angel in Free To Be You and Me, and he's an archangel.
- I'm not trying to criticise you, I just want there to be more clarity before we make such a big change. Okay? Kajune (talk) 14:26, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
- Tessa not having a vessel is kind of confusing. How did Azazel possess someone who wasn't using a vessel? And if a reaper's form is the reaper itself, then they shouldn't leave a corpse behind right? But one reaper in Death Takes A Holiday did.
- I do agree that reapers can manifest a form, just like angels do in Heaven, demons do in Hell, and Leviathans do in Purgatory. Though this doesn't explain Azazel's possession of Tessa, just saying.
- As for the meeting, direct confrontation is still a necessity even if one can use angel radio. It's like humans with cell phones. We still meet each other to discuss things. However, I'm not going to push this topic, angel radio may indeed be exclusive to angels and not reapers.
- As for the wings, The Vessel heavily implied that Lucifer still had his wings. The angels who had their wings torn off, as we saw, were the ones falling from Heaven. How could a spell affect someone stuck in a sealed-tight cage, down in Hell?
- Sorry, I just had to point these out. There are other plot holes that make rationalizing "angels aren't reapers" difficult. I am glad to participate, but I will repeat that this is difficult. Supernatural isn't known for its consistency in anything. Kajune (talk) 00:17, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
Could you please explain to me why we should only note being a vessel if giving permission? I just don't see why it should be on the basis for being willful about it or not. If he was a vessel, it should count, regardless of permission or not. Gabriel456 (talk) 17:00, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
It is bad or good for the wikia, in your opinion, that I keep creating a ton of new pages, which I'm pretty sure some users would simply delete due to the lack of relevance. Should I just stop? Kajune (talk) 14:37, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
Nah. You don't have too. I just do it so they know, what they did wrong, and that I do want them to make useful contributions. And get involved in the wiki. I hope your doing fine too, btw. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:36, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
- I came across your message on Zane's talkpage quite by accident and had to correct this misconception. Yes, a block reason should always be given. This is for accountability to other admins, so they can review improper blocks as necessary, but also because behind an IP address is a potential editor. By blocking them with a reason, you indicate that whatever bit of vandalism they committed was noticed and rectified by the community and this sends them the message that such an act ought not be repeated. This in turn might spur them to make worthwhile contributions in the future. In my experience at least, many established users started out with 'harmless prank edits' on the Wiki before going on to make useful contributions, precisely because they were called out on their behaviour. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 13:00, September 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, just wanted your opinion on this persons project, he created these template pages. I'm personally against it, I dislike how the colors clash, and I find it unnecessary since we list status in a pre-existing infobox. I linked all 3 templates in those three words. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:36, September 11, 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, I was wondering if you could give your opinion on this, when you get a chance. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:08, September 16, 2016 (UTC)
- I was wondering if you would give your opinion on this matter. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:23, September 26, 2016 (UTC)
onlinedizi . coEdit
hey, do you know a alternative to this streaming site ? old episodes are only with turkish subtitles ;[. only some new episodes are original.
idk how to message you here on the english wiki so i contact you here.
Future Dean Edit
I agree, though the problem with adding information to Dean's page is that once season 12 is out, Dean's page is going to be stuffed! The loading and saving will be slow too. It's true that there is information about Future Dean on Dean's page, but only from Dean's perspective, so I thought it was alright. We could ignore it, but I wouldn't recommend adding to Dean's page that kind of info. Kajune (talk) 23:01, September 12, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I figured I'd message you while your on. Kajune made this blog, its pretty much abandoned, but that's not the point. Do you want me to go ahead and begin moving Sam and Deans history sections for seasons into separate articles? Or do you believe we should wait for greater consensus on the subject?
I'm personally in favor of doing now, for several reasons. First, its hard to get consensus on serious matters here. Second, by the time we do the show will be back on, and the wiki will be a mess. By doing it now we have a chance to let everybody get used to the new locations. Your opinions? Zane T 69 (talk) 21:28, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Okay, maybe for now, loading the page isn't a problem, but what is to say it won't be in the future? We have two more seasons coming and Dean is going to be in about 40 more episodes. I do genuinely believe we need a solution to that. Kajune (talk) 08:49, September 14, 2016 (UTC)
Community Messages Edit
This is probably the wrong place to mention this but, under Recent Wikia Activity, there are these messages on the right, but they are very outdated. I think they need to be fixed. Kajune (talk) 16:02, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
If it's confirmed info, spoilers can be added but the page needs to list as spoiler content until the episode airs.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 16:57, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
Re:Future Content Edit
Hey SeraphLucifer, hope you're doing well too. There's no issue with such articles long as they contain accurate and verifiable information, as opposed to speculation. Articles on future episodes can contain a lot of interesting information that Wiki users may be looking for, and as a Wiki for all things Supernatural, it's generally a boon for us to have as much relevant information as possible. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 02:16, September 22, 2016 (UTC)
Greetings from Vanguard: Portable Infoboxes Edit
I noticed you are one of the active admins on the Supernatural Wiki, so I'm leaving this message to notify you of Fandom's portability efforts and how Vanguard can help improve your wiki. :)
Please see my blog post here if you are interested in improving your community's infoboxes - User blog:Monochromatic Bunny/Greetings from Vanguard: Portable Infoboxes.
Nine days till Season 12.Edit
I was wondering if I can get your opinion, on some possibly pressing matters.
The Sam and Dean pages- Should we move the season histories, 1-11 to subpages to make it easier to load?
Should we have Admins, Rollbacks, and other personnel follow the Admin Noticeboard for faster response time, ans the faster resolution of issues?
Discussion Mods? So far Kajune, and Rafe Adler are the only names that come to mind. We need the blogs policed, to prevent spoilers, flamming, trolling. Your opinions? Zane T 69 (talk) 18:35, October 4, 2016 (UTC)
I don't really have anything else on my mind, I just wanted to get the matters talked out, idea's resolved. Now that you mention Gabriel456, I considered him. My concern was burdening him with too much responsibilities. I think Gabriel, Rafe, and Kajune for Dis. Mods, and give Reka rollback status. Possibly give rollback to Kajune, because he's worked hard, and he's active on blogs.
My idea with having the Noticeboard followed was doing so in advance, that way it's watch for future issues.
Loading Sam's page took under ten seconds for me. This pretty much resolves most issues, if your in agreement, tell me, and we can approach them in regards to the promotions. You and I, can promote people to Dis. Mods, in case your not aware, though you probably are. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:02, October 4, 2016 (UTC)
Discussion Moderators Edit
Edit Count Edit
Hey, do you mind if I reduce the infinite protection on Omnipotence to a week? It just seems excessive, and I didn't want to just do it, and seem like a tyrant. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:18, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I was wondering if you could help with something. I infinite banned someone earlier, for an unacceptable username, I advised them to apply for a name change or create another account. The Problem is wiki keeps auto selecting "Prevent logged-in user from editing from this IP address." I asked Caleb, thought I'd ask you since you're on. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:25, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
Are you okay, with me adding the "LockOldBlogs" feature? It would prevent commenting on them after a certain time period, I'm personally leaning towards 60 days. It would make management of the blogs easier on ranked users on our wiki. The alternative is let users keep resurrecting dead discussion, and create more area to manage for us, or manually locking commenting on older pages. Which would be a massive workload. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:39, October 17, 2016 (UTC)
You'll have to contact User:Monochromatic Bunny, the infobox codes are like Chinese to me. Ive had him fix one problem already, it will just take time to get everything back to business as usual.Zane T 69 (talk) 15:23, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
I went ahead began protecting the new infoboxes. Simple because, I, and possibly, we don't know how the changes will effect portability. Plus it's a previous exploited weakness, and more pages to police. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:47, October 21, 2016 (UTC)
I think it's impossible for me to be more active, when I'm online I'm on the wikis recent changes refeshing every 10-30 minutes. I take my Admin duties very seriously.Zane T 69 (talk) 15:52, October 21, 2016 (UTC)
The polls look good. I personally think we need new featured articles, as well as a policy that they have to be extremely high quality, IE good grammar, punctuation, spelling. I like the background. BTW, wikia stopped working for me, for several hours. We may need a way to speak off wiki.Zane T 69 (talk) 22:42, October 21, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I've sorted through two rows of templates. I've followed ones I think may need to be deleted, for being outdated, unused or junk templates. When you get a chance, can you look at my followed pages?Zane T 69 (talk) 23:08, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
Okay. If you think they should be deleted go ahead and do so. Only a few of them were followed for future use, or for personal interest. EDIT: I'll try to be in chat today, anyway. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:09, October 24, 2016 (UTC)
Okay. Success, Special:Templates shows if and where they are used. I restored some of the deleted templates, so we can be sure. I deemed it essential, so we can make sure the templates aren't used. Naturally, if you'd like I'll personally deal with the ones I restored. It's only fitting since I restored them, without consulting. I just have to go run errands soon. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:48, November 3, 2016 (UTC)
Can you meet me in the chat?
Tabber for Ruler of Hell/HeavenEdit
Hey, Seraph! I wanted your opinion. As you can see on Lucifer's page, someone did a tab thing to it and I was wondering if we should do the same to the ruler of hell/heaven pages for the past and present rulers?
RE: A little favor Edit
Sure. It shouldn't take long.
I let the bot off its leash, as it were, so I'm not monitoring its edits. Although it shouldn't cause any harm (I verified several edits before doing this), let me know if you want me to shut it down.
It's done, by the way. Every instance of "Cas" on this wiki should be "Cass" now.
Hi. I was wondering why you deleted my edits to the Azazel page?
Was wondering why you undid my edits on Azazel's page
Hi, I'm a Bureaucrat on the Midnight, Texas Wiki and I would like to become an affiliate of the Supernatural wiki.
Sure no problem. Just thought I would check, although I don't understand your statement about There is no relation netween your wikis subject and ours, could you elaborate further? MT will be airing in 2017 so atm, there is little specific information than what is currently on our site, though we had related supernatural creatures such as Vampires, Witches, a Weretiger, Assassins, and an Angel supposedly living on a hellmouth... Bennett Blood Mage18 (talk) 23:13, October 27, 2016 (UTC)
Hi Zane, thanks for getting back to me. Sure. Would it be ok if I respond later either with the first episode synopsis/first episode premiere sometime in the spring? (I also for got to mention its crime drama with the above mentioned species and with Psychics and Ghosts). Drawing in visitors is our goal as well (being a brand new show). Being a supernatural show and coming from the Vampire Diaries myself and a fan of Supernatural, we thought the show shared common interests and themes. Thanks for the time! :) Bennett Blood Mage18 (talk) 01:19, October 28, 2016 (UTC)
Everything has went well. Background and stuff was voted on and approved. I updated Header/Wiki-Navigation, to include Season 12. The demand got high, I managed to update it myself. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:59, November 14, 2016 (UTC)
Hey. I've been pondering the idea of utilizing short links and redirects. Like this idea. It would only be with the Sam and Dean pages, the redirect pages, not Sam Winchester and Dean Winchester. I figured I'd beta test it on the God and/or Darkness pages. The goal is make pages easier to load, where possible. Eventually I'd do it on all the huge, harder to load pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:42, December 7, 2016 (UTC)
Looks good. Btw, I tried that on the Sam Winchester page and it didn't reduce the bytes enough. I guess we can consider moving season sections to other pages and then expanding them even more. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:38, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
Re: Contact Edit
- We can continue this discussion on Wiki, I think. I typically leave Wiki business on Wiki, and email for private matters. Witnessme is actually working on a new background skin actually, you can see his designs here and let him know if you have any feedback. Calebchiam Talk 05:45, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
Mamma Mia Edit
So...can you tell me who portrayed Tommy's girl? Because to me, she does not resemble Kailey Spear, who is listed alongside her twin sister Sam as being part of the episode. I'm not here to argue. Kajune (talk) 12:58, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
Re: Updates Edit
What updates do you still have on the list? I noticed the background image has been changed already, although the resolution seems off. The text color also remains the same from last season. FTWinchester (talk) 16:36, November 10, 2016 (UTC)
Hey Seraph, I believe Reka and I are still waiting for your response on the monster page. Bkshadows
Hmm, it has a lot of categories and it does look good, to me. However, I personally don't understand "Common Monsters" and "Creatures". Is every common monster confirmed to be a descendant of Eve? I don't know what changes you made but to me, this is the only confusing part. Kajune (talk) 10:01, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
I'm fine, and I hope you are too. Everything seems to be running well, we have two new reliable contributers who have been creating quite a few high quality pages. Nothing important has happened, just the same old stuff. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:22, January 27, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the praise, but Zane T does a better job. Always running around fixing things, getting rid of false info and bad users. I see Zane working hard everyday. Kajune (talk) 09:26, January 28, 2017 (UTC)
That's good to know, I will try to check the wiki when I can. I'm sure our rollbacks can step up and take more responsibility. Once I'm certain I got the job, I'll inform them and yourself. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:15, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
No, of course not. The problem may be that "Supernatural Creatures is too big for the alotted space. Wikia seems to prefer a certain amount of space between sections and short terms. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:46, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
I got involved, though I wasn't sure what to say/do. Can you start patrolling edits that need them? I had to mark the Talk:Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets as patrolled, even after you had commented and therefore read the edit. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:58, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
My edits Edit
No, you're just stalking my every edit. One proof of this fact is right after I brought this up to Zane, you obviously went to my contributions list, saw I made an edit on the Mark of Cain page, and then undid it. Seriously? When are you going to admit like EmpyreanSmoke did that you are in fact following my edits? -- ImperiexSeed, 8:17 AM, February 3rd 2017
- You realize that's against policy, right? Also, it's childish, and the only reason you're doing this is because you don't like me, and I hoped you could put it behind you and give me another chance. Just because you're an admin doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:26 AM, February 3rd 2017
So much paranoia and hypocrisy above, we're doing our jobs by making sure edits don't contain speculation, or bias; are well-written and are in fact constructive.
Now, as for the music links. I have no problem with them, if you do, you're welcome to remove them. Please just inform the contributor they need to cease and desist and explain. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:05, February 3, 2017 (UTC)
I think we should try to figure out what makes the most sense because obviously castiel was in charge of a garrison, but it couldn't have just been for 100 years. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:30, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
The Horsemen Edit
If you block me because I'm putting facts you don't like on pages, then I'll go to the staff. Just because you're an admin doesn't mean you can do whatever you please. Horsemen were first thought to be their attributes personified, but this was completely disproven when more info came out on Death, i.e. him outlasting his attribute, and his attribute remaining even after getting killed. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:48 PM, February 5th 2017
- You're just looking for a reason to block me. So, you're saying if I post something you don't agree with, you'll block me, I mean, if I word something the wrong way by accident, you'll block me? -- ImperiexSeed, 2:22 PM, February 5th 2017
ImperiexSeed has been given WAAAY too many warnings. I think it's pretty clear that it is time for a permanent ban. He has caused so much damage and it is clear he hasn't changed. One month won't do anything to fix this.
Um, I have changed, I'm not spreading any more Sam hate. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:27 PM, February 5th 2017
- I know. Look, I made that post on the Horsemen page because I believed there was enough substantial evidence to make the claim. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:36 PM, February 5th 2017
Well Imperiex put bias into an article. Think I should ban him for a month and pursue an infinite ban via consensus? It was a little thing, nothing major, but it looks like he hasn't learned his lesson. [link should work, even if it's red.] Zane T 69 (talk) 15:01, February 15, 2017 (UTC)
Ok I am wondering. As Billie said Reapers can't just kill people, as there are rules. Is this enough evidence to return them back to a separate race from angels? As angels can kill before someone is suppose to die. At least it should be noted that they follow different rules than typical angels.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:44, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
Re:Been a while Edit
- All is well on my end. And of course, tell me when's convenient for you and I'll make the time. My time is more flexible these days. Calebchiam Talk 13:43, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I was just wondering if you (or any admin) unlock the Template:Episode page? I'm gonna do some editing on the wikia.
Can you please stop changing the Lucifer page and taking Rooney off the vessel section? Rooney was Lucifer's main vessel in the episode. Look at the Michael page and his vessel section. He only used (young) John and Adam in one episode each but the pictures are still there.
I'm gonna give you a link to the talk page where this guy, me and the third party were communicating. I don't think the third person was an Admin but I do know they got him blocked for awhile as he sent me a message saying so. Here's the link. Apparently this guy's name is Jdogno7. On my talk page, the Unsub user guy said he's blocked for two weeks now but doubts this guy will learn his lesson. Its the Kim/Kimberly part of that talk page you need to look at. The guy unilaterally renamed a page and when we had a problem with it, asked why on every single character discussion page remotely connected to the character. Those have been cleared out and there was actually a bit of an edit war if you can believe that over removing discussion from pages it wasn't even connected to!!! On that User discussion page the guy who's page that is mentions he was blocked from some Legends of something Wiki and also something about the Harry Potter Wiki. This guy keeps claiming that he was unfairly blocked and I think that it was all some big conspiracy.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 19:19, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
If its not, then its someone very similar. You saw the talk page but you didn't see this guy in action. He's banned for two weeks now so you won't but there's definite similarities. And the timing of all of this is pretty much exactly the same too. The ban thread started around the same time as everything went down on the Law and Order Wiki.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:58, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
Seeking Admin here Edit
As I've told Zane and Caleb, I'm seeking the rank of Admin on this Wiki. Caleb hasn't gotten back to me on that yet but Zane has promised me his support and thinks I'll probably get it. I wanted to ask for your support as well if Caleb agrees. I think we've had a few conflicts in the past, but nothing major, mostly disagreements over our interpretation of things but that's all. Could you send the reply to this to my talk page??? I don't follow other people's talk pages.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:54, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
I saw your comment on Zane's page. If you feel you can support me, all I'm really looking for is a Support on the thread so I can get the adminship. You don't have to do more than that if you don't want to. I'm just hoping to get enough support to make Admin. Zane thinks I can and so far so good it seems. Only opposing is that guy we're trying to ban and I'd be more surprised if he had chosen to support me rather than oppose me.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:54, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
Re:Ruler of Hell Edit
Re: Demons Edit
I really don't understand your logic as it seems flawed. You said that there is no need to add Crowley because demons simply serve the King of Hell, than should we not omit Lucifer too as he also previously ruled Hell and had been the "King" at least during S11. King of Hell is too broad as it is indistinguishable to others who may hold title as it does not specify the demons individually affiliated to Crowley, just as using only the Ruler of Heaven for the Angels page would not specify the angels' affiliation to God, but instead to who's ruling Heaven in his absence which prior to "Swan Song" was Michael and than Rapheal prior to "The Once and Future King". Anyway, I am going to move on from it as I rather not risk inadvertently instigating an edit war over something so trivial, I just wanted to convey my logic on the matter. 22.214.171.124 22:08, February 27, 2017 (UTC)
Frankenstein Estate Guards Edit
There is this page I like. It is called Frankenstein estate guards. Sadly the page has no pictures. I noticed someone tried to put pictures on the page but couldn't. The pictures are on the wikia but not on the page. The picture for the first guard is Photo-2.jpg. The picture for the second guard is Photo3.jpg. The picture for the third guard is Photo1.jpg. Can you plase put these on the page please? 126.96.36.199 16:30, March 9, 2017 (UTC)Jake Miller
Winchester's full names Edit
Hi, watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6-Swwpkjw) around 1:26-1:30, there is a birth certificate and it's clear that it says 'Samuel William Winchester'. It also revealed John and Mary's full names. Touchinos (talk) 12:34, March 22, 2017 (UTC)
Dear Seraph Lucifer,
Thank you for your support. I am glad you appreciate my hard work. I put my best effort into making sure all the pages i edit look great. Thank you for your appreciation and kindness.ChrisG1999 (talk) 21:00, March 22, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999
Sam as the Boy KingEdit
I don't know, maybe??? I mean its what all the demons considered him before Lilith came along. Which I think was a retcon because of the Writer's Strike wasn't it???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 11:42, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
Mark Continuity Error Edit
Actually what Death said was Dean had to share it with someone else, as in pass it on to them. Dean would've still had it but Death could've gotten rid of it with someone else possessing the Mark. That's what that meant. And Cain specifically said he could "transfer" the Mark to Dean, meaning transfer it from himself to Dean. Yet season 10 says Cain still possesses the Mark after he "transfers" it to Dean. Hence the continuity error since Lucifer still had it when the person passing it on keeps it unless it is removed from them.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:22, April 15, 2017 (UTC)
Re: Your WorkEdit
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
If or when you have time can you help me put the episode navbox on the bottom of the episodes pages? Seasons 1-5 are done, and 6-12 have the openers and finales done, and maybe some put in random episode pages due to convenience. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:09, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure how we would get them to stay away from that section, it would be nigh-impossible to achieve. There are also a couple projects on the back burner you should be aware of... The Demonbox, listing demons and WG18 wants to list which people were killed by Sam and Dean. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:17, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
I removed that from the to do list. I'm glad you approve of the killed by category for Sam and Dean, I wanted someone else to approve it considering that I wanted it done to free up time for the Demonbox issue. That shouldn't be an issue considering that now six people approve of it, and we actually had to undo the work when it was done without consensus. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:42, April 22, 2017 (UTC)
RE:Weaknesses changes Edit
WG18 and Kajune might be able to help, they're both knowledgeable, with good memories. I'd volunteer, but I have a horrible memory, and have been so busy I'm behind on watching Supernatural. I intend to complete my huge project after the finale and may even recruit another user to help. I know one who could help, but I prefer to play it by ear and see if I can do it by myself. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:42, April 23, 2017 (UTC)
Oh, the works easy, just time consuming and tedious though. I'm hoping to get up to 7000 edits from that work. By the way, the Navbox is fully implemented. Angry Hearts did the majority of the work, though I think I did the second most work. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:01, April 23, 2017 (UTC)
Demonbox is created and ready to be voted on/debated about, I was planning on creating the forum tomorrow. I needed to get some RL work done today. There is also an Angelbox which is titled Celestialbeings that was added. Monsterbox is a good idea though. I agree that we shouldn't create more work than we can do, and will merely put the Monsterbox on my "To-do list". Zane T 69 (talk) 22:07, April 23, 2017 (UTC)
Removing Weaknesses Edit
I have to say, I strongly disagree with you doing that. Removing unconfirmed weaknesses for someone??? Fine. But removing confirmed weaknesses??? Definitely not.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:50, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
Remove what's speculation for each character such as Alastair and angel blades for example. But keep known weaknesses such as the Colt or the First Blade or the Lance of Michael. Getting rid of Death's Scythe is fine with me, I always thought that was kinda stupid to put but still.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:55, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
Agreed since the First Blade is no longer an issue. However, for demons exorcisms and devil's traps should be kept since those are universal weaknesses. And for the lower-level demons/angels we've seen who are subservient to or weaker than older demons (aka getting their asses kicked by them), we should keep that as well.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:29, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
I have to agree with War dont know why i even came back if what i edit just gets replaced and corrected. you cant confirm or deny it so why not leave the information there until we know for sure? --User:KRATOS
RE:Angel Order Edit
Hey, I was just wondering if we can include like a countdown of how many days left 'til an episode airs thing on this wiki? I can create the page and do the editing. Touchinos (talk) 12:49, April 30, 2017 (UTC)
Kaj and Editing Edit
Editing can be exhausting, sometimes. I do enjoy it however, so I come here often. I am planning on taking a break soon though, maybe a day or two. Don't worry. I'm fine. :) Kajune (talk) 19:44, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
Crowley's fate Edit
I totally agree with you about him being alive and possessing that rat, but in the context of the show, his fate is unknown until next week since to the audience, its unclear if he's alive or not. For now, we need to list him as Unknown until we receive in-show confirmation that he's alive. Also, I was wondering if that was really a rat or maybe Olivette in her hamster form.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 07:09, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
I agree but from an outside perspective its unclear. I think for now we should list him as Unknown simply because based on the episode itself, not the previews or any promotional materials, its unclear if he's still alive.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 15:52, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
Hey, I wanted to know if you have any ideas for work that needs done. So far I've identified... Unused photos, under 1000 of them. And I've been working on broken file links. I think it's important to clean up after the previous admins, while still working towards a bright future for the wiki. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:34, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
Those are good plans. I thought I had categorized all the photos, but I was mistaken apparently, so I'm working on that and hoping I didn't miss much. I'm also deleting quite a few illegal personal photos and unused photos, so at least I'm helping on that front. I prefer to manage the photos and broken file links; when I first purged the wiki of personal photos I created a lot of broken file links. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:30, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
Watch this video around 4:00-4:20 , Castiel specifically says that he wasn't an angel anymore and "went mortal". And since this was based on S5 Castiel, whose powers were draining all season to the point of being human at the end of the season, and that was when Heaven was still interfering, signs point to alternate Cass being human, no? Gabriel456 (talk) 13:08, May 23, 2017 (UTC)
eh, whatever. Not interested in a prolong argument.
Parent tab Template Edit
Not much has actually changed, I've been to busy with my writing too continue any projects. The Sam and Dean pages were divided into multiple sub-pages and made much easier to load, but that's pretty much it. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:28, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
I didn't hear anything about that but then again, I haven't seen the promo yet. But if its unconfirmed, I think we shouldn't add it. Because that's just speculation until we have that confirmed.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:45, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
Okay. So you don't mean to add all of the info for the ALT Michael onto the Original Michael's page? Just a brief summary, but treat them as separate characters with separate pages? Because putting a lot more on the Original Michael page would make it an absolute mess and unmanageable. Please clarify your opinion on the Michael talkpage, an anon seems to have misunderstood. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:58, October 9, 2017 (UTC)
RE: Death and God Edit
Except he's not. God is able to kill a weakened and unresisting Amara. That's not the same thing. He already said the battle with her, even with 4 archangels on his side, was "close", and a weakened Amara fatally wounded him without a care in the world.
Season 13 Title Card for the main page ( just click the number ):
RE: Need AssistanceEdit
Hi there! Unfortunately enough I'm not available to help out right now. However, our Community Development Team is. You can post a request here, and they will get back to you as soon as possible. Mark (talk) 15:26, October 15, 2017 (UTC)
Resizing images Edit
Hi SeraphLucifer. I saw your request for help with resizing images. If using image wikitext, such as [[File:Image.jpg|150px]], isn't good enough, please link me to each image and let me know what size they need to be, and I'll be happy to resize and/or crop them and reupload them. JoePlay (talk) 13:29, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
You are welcome Edit
You are welcome. I am sorry that I posted it a little late last night, but I was a little busy. I will also try to help the wiki in other ways when I get the chance.Rafe Adler (talk) 15:42, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
Korean bot and illegal content Edit
Never mind, I reported them to VTSF myself. Forgot VTSF existed.
RE: Castiel's Awakening Edit
I went back and rewatched it, but it's ambiguous. It claims it's the only one with any pull in the Empty, but that doesn't necessarily mean others can't influence beings within the Empty from the outside.
On an unrelated note, I hope this Cosmic Entity isn't just a plot device to resurrect Castiel. Would love to hear more about its lore.
RE: Chat Edit
Sorry, I'm going out. Won't be back until several hours from now. Dunno when, exactly.
Orion has returned.
RE:How's it going Edit
Sorry very busy with work these day. But tomorrow I’ll be free mostly.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:56, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
Re: Cosmic Entity Edit
I understand, but based on the discussion so far on the Cosmic Entity page, there is no questioning or denouncing that he is a primordial entity nor a decision to remove all info on him from the Primordial Entities page in the meantime, only specifically discussing his age. I don't mean to play the blame game, but I feel the fault is on you and the other participants for this misunderstanding as none of you were being very clear on both what was being questioned and what should be done to resolve it. As I said before, at no point in the discussion was it stated there was any uncertainty on whether that the Cosmic Entity is a primordial entity nor was there a suggestion/agreement/decision to remove the info regarding him already on the Primordial Entities page before the discussion began until a conclusion is drawn. This is what led to my confusion even after being directed to the talk page by Blaziken rjcf because as far as I could understand the subject of the discussion was the Cosmic Entity's age based on the title alone which left me to only assume Blaziken rjcf was jumping to conclusions. In the future, users need to be more clear in discussions on the subject and intent to avoid edit wars which intervertantly occurred between me and Blaziken rjcf because what was said in the discussion DID NOT match his reason for undoing my edits. 188.8.131.52 23:03, November 6, 2017 (UTC)
Re: Admin's Council Edit
Hi, I'm available for a few days this week. Basically tonight until Thursday EST. I can't say exactly when I'm online but any of those days, I'm free. FTWinchester (talk) 00:21, November 8, 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't able to follow up since then because I got caught up with a lot of stuff. Did you still want to run a council meeting or something? Maybe open up a discussion in the Impala so we can just post our responses once we are free? FTWinchester (talk) 18:02, December 9, 2017 (UTC)
Billie's new status Edit
I tend to agree that she's at least technically a Horseman now since she's been promoted to be the new Death. She's clearly no longer a Reaper and Death is a Horseman. Billie is his replacement making her a Horseman too.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:16, November 10, 2017 (UTC)
Greetings, my good sir.
I would like to open the official (?) Supernatural Wiki Discord Server.
While I'm pretty damn sure that I do not need to ask for permission, I thought It would be polite to ask an admin about this.
Please respond ASAP. Thank you in advance
Re:Can we talk some time? Edit
Alt Versions Edit
On Michael's talk page we've reached an agreement that alt reality characters should be kept completely separate from main reality. However, an anon is saying that I need your permission since you're the one who overruled it back in September. Thoughts? JS0662 (talk) 03:08, November 26, 2017 (UTC)
To clarify, I was not saying your permission was needed, I just acknowledged that you were an Admin for those who were unaware and that as you participated in the discussion, your input (in addition to the other participants) on whether you agreed that a consensus had been met as J50662 seemed to be acting on his own based the discussion's direction not because it had been definitely concluded. My goal was juust to make sure that someone like you being an Admin was versed in wiki policy enough, not with the authority, to determine the discussion had adequate consensus to proceed with the changes. 184.108.40.206 04:54, November 26, 2017 (UTC)
Hi so I have a suggestion, basically I think it would look better if the categories for the episode pages are combined (ex: from "Episodes" and "Season 13" to "Season 13 Episodes"). I know it's nothing major but I have so much extra time on my hands right now (just finished the semester) so I was looking for something to do lol. Touchinos (talk) 15:47, December 1, 2017 (UTC)
New staff nominations.Edit
Let me know when you're free to chat. I have something I'd like to discuss with you.
The debate on what goes on the monster page has been reopened. Your opinion on the issue would be welcome. you can find the link here Talk:Monster#Monsters_omitted_part_2 Thank you--ThomasNealy (talk) 22:49, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
New Policy DiscussionEdit
What you missedEdit
- Me misunderstanding something and looking like a paranoid idiot. I know, I look bad, but I learned from it; just as Wikia before Infinite Block, unless it's blatantly obvious.
- Still on-going
- May need your attention
Excuse me, I wanted to ask if you can update Jack (nephilim)'s page with information from the recent episode. I can't because the page is locked and I asked someone before but it got ignored. I don't like seeing pages lack important information so I had to ask those who can access the page. If you don't feel like it, I understand as I'm not trying to cause trouble its just been bothering me. (Kingdevo215 (talk) 02:39, May 10, 2018 (UTC))
I'm fine; I've just started the whole exam phase, so my edits will probably be more infrequent. I can still edit the main page, hopefully. Thanks for asking by the way! :) Dtol (talk) 23:21, May 22, 2018 (UTC)
Well, it's becoming more apparent that people realize Wikia is doing that, so announcing it would likely be redundant. Sorry, I didn't think to explain that. It's been a very busy day for me. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:31, May 31, 2018 (UTC)
Twilight had an inquiry about the welcome message, which consistently seems to use his name. . The MediaWiki page still has @local however, , and I was wondering if you knew what the problem is and how the default user for the welcome message could be changed. Thanks! Dtol (talk) 09:51, July 15, 2018 (UTC)
Just as I’m not as active as I was years ago. I try to make weekly inquiries, to remain active. But seeing as I’m not on here almost daily. I thought a more active admin should be the default when new members do their first edit here. Also one minor problem I think I fixed is about Rowena’s Age Canonical Error. It’s on her talk page if interested.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 03:02, July 16, 2018 (UTC)
Sam Winchester is no longer considered a special child after season 5 because he has no more powers and his role as Lucifer's vessel in the Apocalypse is over. The only reason why the special children were created is for Lucifer to find his (true) vessel, Sam has not been a special child for over a decade in the show (11 years has passed following the aversion of the Apocalypse counting the 1 year beween 5&6 and 7&8) and it has almost been 10 years for us fans in the real world, plus idk of the trials of God really purified Sam but who knows. Once Castiel pulled Sam out of Lucifer's cage, he stopped being a special children.
Lucifer reference error in the Trivia sectionEdit
ThomasNealy's account was disabled globally and it seems that accounts can't be reactivated so I removed his user rights. We also never got around to bringing up demoting inactive users with rights on forums. Any suggestions for Thomas' replacement? Zane T 69 (talk) 21:20, December 21, 2018 (UTC)
- He was a very hard-working, committed, and intelligent Content Mod. I was hopeful that he would one day become an admin, but that no longer seems possible. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:04, December 22, 2018 (UTC)
If it will interfere with your studies then you don't have to. I can hold it down with Dtol, WG18, and Twilight. I'd be glad to have you back, but I don't want you to risk your future. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:24, December 22, 2018 (UTC)
- False alarm, but make sure that your passwords are strong. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:01, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
Wiki Manager IntroductionEdit
I'm SilverFlight, here to serve as Supernatural Wiki's liason - the go-to user for when you need assistance from full-time staff and eager to answer if you ever have a question or issue(s) relating to the wiki, users, etc.
In addition, I'm happy to inform you that Fandom is upgrading its MediaWiki platform to accommodate MediaWiki extensions. You can read more about here on the blog post.
If you have any other questions, please contact me on my talk page. Let me know how I can help.
I'm excited to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server for all Fandom and Gsmepedia editors. If you want to learn more about it, details can be found here on community blog. Let me know if you have any questions!
Amara and her "omnipresence"Edit
Hi again! I wanted to inform you that there is a new Special:Analytics page you can request and access on the admin dashboard! In this way, you can use it to keep track of the number of edits daily, and which users are contributing. More info is available on the Help:Analytics dashboard and the blog post. If you have any questions, let me know!
Hey Seraph! Just letting you know the Supernatural community has been selected for a test run with the new "Editor Experience" tool. It's a how-to-feature that walks users through editing the page via an interactive "tour". Please let me know on any feedback you have on the tool; all feedback is welcome!
Hey, please give your opinion here on whether or not the page Dimensions should be deleted since its basically an redundant, unneeded and incomplete duplicate of the Realms page. Thx. Doctor49 (talk) 13:36, October 19, 2019 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently an important discussion about the wikis future in regards to the soon to be replaced Forums by Fandom. Please get involved here. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:47, November 2, 2019 (UTC)
Join the Discussion Edit
Hi there! I'm happy to introduce to you the new feature called the Global Taxonomy. This formula accumulates wikis a user visits and generates a list of recommended wikis for them to visit. In other words, people who have an interest in a topic or genre you entail will be recommended a chance to visit this wiki! That will be perfect for garnering visitors here. You can read more about it on the blog, plus if you're interested in template use, you can check out this link, too. Hope you find them helpful!
JOIN THE DISCUSSION Edit
Desynoping Inactive Admins Edit
"The End" TimelineEdit
I'd like to talk with you and the others admin about the timeline appeared in "The End". Zachariah brought Dean into the future, not in an alternate universe, that would have been impossible, he wasn't that strong. So it's just a timeline, not a universe. Since Dean and Sam changed the future, that possible timeline doesn't exist now. Can we specify that? Especially in "Archangels" and "Rulers" pages. Because everyone here acts like there is an actual universe where Lucifer won the Apocalypse. Thanks. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 12:24, December 16, 2019 (UTC)
Hi there! Writing to tell you about changes coming to FANDOM featured videos: as of the end of this December, they will be receiving some trial run experiments. This is being done to improve video quality since videos featured on a page tend to be outdated or spout all the information the user can already read on the article. The main goal will be to figure out how to complement wiki content. Because of that, you might receive a video called "The Loop" play for anonymous users, which will be meant purely to collect visitation data in the vein of the Global Taxonomy method. It won't affect all users, so you might not notice. But if you want to learn more, you can go to the blog post. Let me know if you have any questions!
Citation Change Edit
Hi! Hope you're doing well. I need your opinion on this please.
New Forum for a serious issue (IMO) Edit
This is about the bloated articles and sections I've noticed a lot recently. Please give your thoughts on the subject here.
I just wanted to inform you that I won't be as active as much due to personal issues. Hopefully my activity will be back to normal before or after the new episode airs. I will try to edit at least once a week.
Your new Wiki ManagerEdit
I'll be taking over for SilverFlight. Just like Julia, I'm here to help out however I can. Just let me know! You can usually find me on Discord (my username is penguinstyles#9735), however, I'm happy to use whatever contact medium you prefer.
If you have any questions for me, please let me know. I'll try to respond to them as quickly as I can.
Wanted to let you know we now have a discord and you are welcome to sign up preferably with your existing username. https://discord.gg/hRF3WR2
You may have recently received a notification about a message on Dominic1743's "Personal wiki" and that is what this is in regards too. I blocked Dominic, pending review, for three months for vote stacking and stealth canvassing and I'm trying to find trustworthy, experienced, and bi-partial users to review his actions and the block implemented. I will disclose that Dominic recently accepted nomination of an RfB (Request for Bureaucrat rights) and apart from a factual correction about my activity; I viewed it as misinformation to create a need for another bureaucrat roll for Dominic to fill, it seemed entirely above-board and seemed run honestly. If you receive this message then I want your opinion on if the block was justified and if his offenses were accurately described.