Welcome[edit source]

Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Talk:Purgatory page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! RaghavD (talk) 13:35, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Lilith as Big Bad[edit source]

Yes, that was my mistake. I unintentionally erased the word female.  FTWinchester (talk) 16:26, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

It was awesome. Much better than the premiere (which honestly bored me). I was just confused as to why Ezekiel still had wings. I know they were bent and broken but still. He had wings. Visually, last season, we saw wings getting burned off completely, and Hael herself said she no longer had wings. Also, I am confused as to why Abaddon was scared of one measly weakened angel. FTWinchester (talk) 16:43, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Apparently, Abadon is not immune to the "villain amnesia" when it comes to her full abilities. However, she also never tried doing that to any of the Winchesters, so it is possible she could only use her mind-reading on weak-willed or weak-minded people, which excludes hunters? As for the bunker, isn't it heavily defended from intruders? Maybe that's another reason why she wanted demons in military men and using military-grade weaponry. FTWinchester (talk) 17:25, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe because Crowley and the Prometheus were invitedébrought in on the wishes of the Winchesters? It's the brothers who have the key, right? I think that the key is the only way in. Barging in is impossible without it, hence Abaddon having to draw them out. FTWinchester (talk) 13:01, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Apocrypha[edit source]

Really interesting information you have added to Lilith's page. It really shows how much Lilith was designed to be really powerful but because most of her actions were off-screen, many people still understandably believe Azazel to be more powerful (aside from the fact that YED was more involved personally in the destruction of the lives of the Winchester family). FTWinchester (talk) 01:01, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Just came home from a night shift duty, so let me get back to you on the discussion on the companions some other time. A lot of my examples from my last post were exaggeration though, so I'm expecting I have several clarifications to say. But regardless of how the discussion on the consistency turns out, my opinion on the matter of the canonicity of the companion remains more or less the same, and for now we better wait for the opinions of others.  FTWinchester (talk) 06:41, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

I posted a response on the thread again, but this the the crux of my opinion regarding the acceptance or rejection of the companion: Initially, I was against including information as canon, but I am now only advocating for counting that as canon because that was the consensus of the wikia on a precedent. Of course, the consensus outweighs my personal opinion. Now, however, that there is an opportunity to challenge the status quo, my position is to accept them if they agree with the live-action series (this is where the discussion got bigger, though), or drop them if they don't. Whatever the decision is, I support it, so long as the entirety is accepted or rejected, and not just parts of it. As for actors, I really don't know--it's a different matter altogether. This is the slippery slope I wanted to avoid initially about using the companion as canon--where do we stop outsourcing information? I guess this is something I am not prepared to answer concretely as of this point. FTWinchester (talk) 17:23, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Also, thank you for helping me realize your side's points as well. Cheers! FTWinchester (talk) 17:24, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
I just grabbed myself a copy of the Essential Supernatural and holy wow it's so awesome! It makes me so happy I basically forgot I had a headache the moment I saw it. FTWinchester (talk) 01:58, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
The book is basically like endorphins for me. The one I find really interesting is the rings of the horsemen being called 'The Rings of Destiny'. I am also still trying to get hold of the Season 3 and 4 companions (to read more about white-eyed and yellow-eyed demons), and Season 6 (to read more about Eve). The bookstore I went into yesterday had the Companion 6 in its database but we couldn't find the copy as someone must have bought it before I did. I'm not entirely fond of the novels since I know from the get-to they are non-canon, although I am interested in the one with Aswang (Fresh Meat?) since I'm Filipino. I do have John Winchester's Journal (I purchased it along with the Essential, although I have had an e-book before), and Bobby Singer's Guide to Hunting. But yeah, basically, Companion 4 would be really nice as it is my favorite season as well! I honestly thought at that point that Ruby and Anna would be a mainstay because the ensemble was quite amazing--Sam and Dean, a hepful demon, and an angel-turned-human (with occasional Bobby, of course). I like Castiel, but I honestly think Anna could have stayed as well. I think that point of the series was the strongest in terms of expansion of characters outside the brothers, tied with Ellen and Jo in Season 2 and 5 (mostly 5, when they all worked together). Of course, since it's so perfect, that means it wouldn't hold, so whatever. FTWinchester (talk) 13:51, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I hate how lopsided the views are on certain characters. Anna did not deserve the hate she got. What you said about Jo and Ellen is true--they should have been used at least once on Season 3 and/or 4. Lisa and Ben suffered the same fate--they were present for a few episodes in the first half of 6, but disappeared until they were in danger. It would have been more powerful if we saw more of those minor characters before they suffered deaths or before they were written off. There were very very few interesting things in John Winchester's Journal (mainly because several were already disproved by the live-action series and it was more of a general reflection on real-world lore on demons and vague notes on how long it's been since Mary's death, and how and how fast the boys were growing up), while Bobby's Guide offered more information (unfortunately, it, too, could hardly be considered canon because it calls Samhain a Blue-eyed demon and outright blatantly claims YED was the most powerful demon they encountered, and not any of the white-eyed demons when Bobby did not even first-hand encounter Samhain). Still, Bobby's Guide did provide a background on the origin of the dragon swords, the natural order (vis-a-vis monsters), as well as Bobby's origin as a hunter (it's in f'n Japan of all places and described japanese hunters called/anglicized as huntaa, so it's insta-awesome). FTWinchester (talk) 20:13, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
I'm doing well, thanks! Nice to finally see that resolved. I fear, however, that people are now going to bring in Cain and Abaddon into the mix for another endless debate. Carver's era is replete with retcons anyway, but it is nice to finally know that we were moving UP the hierarchy and power scale as it appeared to be, and not how the pro-azazel people put it. I'm doing quite well, and you? FTWinchester (talk) 23:50, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Deal[edit source]

Just noticed you plan on doing a page on it as well. I have, too. But the context of demon deals is so confusing. It is difficult to determine if there is a proper deal with binding magical rules that is separate from a simple agreement with a demon. FTWinchester (talk) 17:11, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

See the talk page on Crossroads Demon. General and I had a discussion about it. FTWinchester (talk) 18:59, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I've commented two times to the potentiality of canon in regards to the guides, companions, etc. Are you overlooking or skimming over my comments, or what? -- ImperiexSeed, 5:14 PM, January 21st 2014

Sorry for wasting your time, but I'd like to sculpt, even further, how impossible such a statement is alongside canon. Even though I've already commented twice now on any possible validity of Crowley's assessment of Cain, I think I can broaden my answer somewhat wider. Lilith was the deadliest demon to walk the face of the Earth. Regarding the exact sentiment of Crowley's statement, this, among other things, could be a misapplication of the writers, seeing as how Crowley could never say such a thing having known Lilith the way he did. Lilith is the strongest demon in canon and will remain so unless, again, the writers screw up and contradict themselves. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:55 PM, January 22nd 2014

Eric described her in such a way that she is unmistakably the strongest demon to exist. Then both acclamations of "being hand-picked" or "personally chosen" are being used figuratively. (I don't exactly remember how they were particularly described.) Depending on the technicality, he could've still had an indirect hand in their creation, even from the cage. He could've even spoke through a sacrificed animal or organism and, in that way, instructed the creation of the Knights of Hell. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:56 PM, January 23rd 2014

Oh, goodness, how possibly can anyone make any sense of this (not your posts, character's phrasing by the writers)?! I initially was going to break down those figurations, but hyphening like "first-fallen," could have double meanings. Interpretation has no barring on facts, but seeing as we have no concrete, consistent facts, we're left scoot any reasonable idea in our minds (while, at the same time, not posting anything interpretive as fact on pages). -- ImperiexSeed, 5:50 PM, January 23rd 2014

Re: Timeline[edit source]

Sorry I never got back on this. I have, however, already posted a comment on the talk page of the Chronology of Supernatural. FTWinchester (talk) 14:24, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Take your time. I myself also had less time in the wiki as of late. FTWinchester (talk) 00:28, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Do you remember where in the wiki we posted the dates we mined from the series? FTWinchester (talk) 03:01, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, and no rush. I only wanted to review the dates we scrounged up and see if we missed anything I know. And thank you so much for the support. I will try my best! FTWinchester (talk) 13:56, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Tonight's Episode[edit source]

I was not bothered to check it out. Sorry. To be honest I don't even recognize this show anymore, I'm just trying to steer clear from this era. FTWinchester (talk) 02:50, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Your reponse really reminds me how I viewed Metatron as an arrogant Carver claiming that he is correcting God's mistakes (Kripke's canon) and that no matter how many hates the writer (Metatron/Carver), everyone will play their part and stick around for the ending. I really f*m hated that. Season 9 is so stupidly poor and bad, it is a really far cry from the earlier seasons. Like you, I am still a die-hard/hardcore fan of the Kripke Era. Shame Eve belonged to the Gamble Era. Eve was so awesome but accepting the Gamble Era would mean I would also have to accept the Carver Era--which I never can. And yeah, speaking of Eve, Abaddon got the exact same treatment. There are so any things wrong with this season and era, it's like Carver made it his goal to kill the entire story.

I still had several projects planned here in this wiki, but I was dismayed. Currently, I'm finishing Angel (Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off), and it keeps my supernatural satisfaction fulfilled. But thanks for informing me about Constantine. I'll keep an eye out for it.  FTWinchester (talk) 00:54, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

I saw what you left on the talk page for angels about cherubs having different class of power, and I thought that myself before reading it. But if what you are saying is true, that some cherubs have more power than other cherubs, isn't it just as likely to believe that Castiel was just a lower level seraph that Zachariah? And then when god brought him back he was an even more powerful seraph? Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 04:05, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hey.[edit source]

How am I odd, all I did was point out an observation, which was true? -- ImperiexSeed, 1:00 AM, November 15th 2014

Meet me on chat and just tell me. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:05 AM, November 15th 2014

And, in "Pac-Man Fever," Charlie even says to Sam, "Sorry you have zero luck with the ladies." So my point is true, that the women who like Sam are either old, like Gert and even the woman in "Swap Meat," or unattractive except for Ruby. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:58 AM, November 17th 2014

No, Charlie didn't mean that he couldn't get attractive girls, she was referencing that almost all of Sam's love interests are killed. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 06:15, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, nice talking to you, NaiflidG. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:18 AM, November 17th 2014

Thanks, NaiflidG, and not a problem, you were fine. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:36 AM, November 17th 2014

Re: Ruler of Hell/the Crossroads[edit source]

Hey, NaiflidG! How are you doing? Sorry for the late response. I was rather caught up in festivities and work. I took a look into it and basically just renamed the page without any use of admin tools and it turned out to be fine. I was thinking it was probably just a bug at the time you tried to rename the page. Do let me know, however, if it either reverted to the erroneous state you reported to me, or if maybe I misunderstood you completely and the problem still exist and was never fixed by me to begin with. Stay awesome! FTWinchester (talk) 01:45, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Another chance?[edit source]

Hey, NaiflidG. After I lost my admin rights a while back, CalebChiam said that later on, if the community was alright with it, he would return my rights. It has been nearly half a year since then, and I am requesting my rights back. I am leaving a message on the talk pages of established users, to see who is and isn't alright with me becoming an admin again. Twilight Despair 5 said that he is willing to give me another chance, and said he sees that I have improved since that time. RaghavD said he wouldn't be comfortable with me being an admin, however. FTWinchester said that the wikia needs a lot of help, and would be comfortable with me having rights, but he is unsure about the admin rights. I know I messed up last time, but I am asking you to give me another chance. I think everyone deserves a second chance, and promise I won't do anything to mess it up this time. What do you say, will you please give me another chance? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

A special thank you and goodbye![edit source]

I'm leaving this wiki, but not cause of you. It was nice getting to work with you, and thanks for being my friend, you were great co-editor to work with. Goodbye NaiflidG! -- ImperiexSeed, 11:51 PM, May 27th 2015

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