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Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Chronology of Supernatural page.
Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help you with anything!
Also note that we are in the process of converting articles written in the present tense to the past tense. So you are welcome to edit any such article you come across. Once again, Welcome! Twilight Despair 5 (talk) 20:36, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the introduction and welcome message !

I will keep in mind, to write future articles in the past tense, I think I will start to convert the Chronology of Supernatural to past tense before adding more information to the timeline. Lambda1 (talk) 17:56, September 17, 2015 (UTC)


Need some info , can u come on chat ? 



Lambda1 (talk) 14:41, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

I was out, I'm back now. What do you need? -- ImperiexSeed, 5:18 PM, September 30th 2015

Hey, I have a possible project in mind involving a supernatural game mod for a well known game...,though I have no story for this possible mod, ... I am in the chat for the next 3h. Lambda1 (talk) 22:36, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'm on now. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:41 PM, September 30th 2015

Here is the synopsis we have come up with for the game. Tell us what you think. "With the great Archangel Lucifer risen, also known as the dragon, the world is havoc with chaos, and is rumored to end. A hunter by the name of Dean Winchester (you) sets out to stop Lucifer so that he can save the world, and free his brother. Lucifer is using the hunter Sam Winchester (your brother) as his vessel, controlling his body to take action on earth. Meanwhile, two races of Supernatural beings, deities and demonic spirits, are in the midst of a civil war, fighting to dethrone the archangel and take control. Buried deep in the ruins is a weapon that both sides, as well as yourself, seek to possess; the angel table." EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:20, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Lambda1. Here is my response. - We want Lucifer to be in human form, more specifically Sam's body.

- We think he should be about the same as he is on the show. Physical things can't really hurt him, but he can be hurt by some spells, angel blades, and the angel tablet. His abilities are reality warping, creating demons, teleportation, etc.

- Yes, he speaks.

- Starting the quest would be when after Dean escapes imprisonment (in the beginning of the game). We haven't written this detailed yet, but I think the quest will start when he goes to ask someone if he seen Sam (showing him a picture).

- We haven't got this far.

- What do you mean by this?

- They don't have to finish it all at once. They can roam around as Dean. You can make it so that his "magical abilities" are spells that he knows.

- Why is using Dean as a main character bad? Wouldn't you run into the same problem with any other character? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:42, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

hey, meet me on chat. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:00 PM, October 3rd 2015


Hi, do read Supernatural Wiki:Consensus to understand what consensus entails. It's not about complete agreement, but general agreement. Also, could you give me a moment to finish up the other sections before replying? Many thanks. Calebchiam Talk 06:10, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

p.s. indentation via a colon ':' works wonders for making a discussion easier to follow. Calebchiam Talk 06:11, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
I read it, according to the definition on this page, what we have reached now is basically no consensus and we need to further discuss this, I hope we can achieve a state of general agreement. This discussion is in some way a reccurance, it was already discussed some time ago, since "Consensus is not immutable. Past decisions are open to challenge and are not binding, and one must realise that such changes are often reasonable." and it was recently revealed that God needed the archangels to fight The Darkness, some editors feel that it just can't be the case, that Leviathans can defeat beings who helped God significantly. Personally, I dislike it that they added all these weaknesses to the angels (one of the disputes here is the question, whether the generel reference from show characters to angels includes the archangels as well, if new angel weaknesses are added), I still add Leviathans as weaknesses, because it's more reasonable. In some way, the topic has been open for a long period of time and the discussion has reached a standstill with no sign of consensus forming. The topic should be closed, on a basis of no consensus. applies to this case, it's really a back and forth discussion. Lambda1 (talk) 07:10, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, you might want to go to Special:Preferences and enable source code editing. The Rich-Text Editor (enabled by default) is adding a lot of extra code and messing up your reply formatting, it seems. Could you help link me to the mention of archangels fighting The Darkness? This is news to me. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 07:15, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I think I could use the source code editing as well, however the wikia source syntax is in some way strange. It was mentioned by Death, Season 10 last episode, as he explained to Dean the origins of The Mark of Cain: ""Before there was light, before there was God and the archangels, there wasn't nothing. There was the Darkness, a horribly destructive, amoral force that was beaten back by God and His archangels in a terrible war. God locked the Darkness away where it could do no harm, and He created a Mark that would serve as both lock and key." Lambda1 (talk) 07:21, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
It is included on The Darkness page as well. Lambda1 (talk) 07:24, October 7, 2015 (UTC) That's the scene. Lambda1 (talk) 07:41, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I've included it in the discussion here which is open for your input too. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 01:44, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Admin Td5 here[]

Admin Td5 here, I am sick but what is going on another edit-war? I saw you commenting on many pages. And I want a non admin's opinion before the other admins, so it's unbias.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:56, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hey TD5, I will response during the next hours. The first episode of season 11 was just to awesome, i need to rewatch it first ;- ) Lambda1 (talk) 03:28, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

While, I agree that there more evidence to say Levis can kill Archangels. I agree with your position.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:36, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I commented on your blog[]

I commented on your character tiering blog. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:34 PM, October 9th 2015

I answered, how it's going on with the mod ? Lambda1 (talk) 16:51, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Instead of edit-warring maybe you should discuss things on the talk page. It seems like you revert because you want to revert. What I did on the deities page is what TwilightDespair was saying in his blog, which you also said there - Maybe it would fit just to include "Higher-Tier Entities" in such a case. . --SPNfan7908 (talk) 07:11, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Inperiex decided to quit again, so I am working on it by myself. I haven't got much done, but I am planning to get a big chunk completed today. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 15:28, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine. Do you want me to just write the storyboard (characters, quest, powers, scenes), or do you actually want me to write a full script (All the lines of dialogue and so on). Originally I thought you just meant a storyboard, which I am totally fine with, but I don't know if I can write the whole script for you; I am pretty busy right now. If it is the storyboard, I'll send you what I get done today (most likely the whole thing), but if you want a full on script, I don't know if I can help you. I might be able to make a script outline (less detailed than a script), but that's all I think I can swing right now. Let me know. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:51, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Reverting the article to status quo as Calebchiam said means to how the article was before the changes were added. With both Phoenix and Zeus, before added the changes on September 30 neither article theorised that leviathans or angels could kill them, and that is what the status quo should be.--SPNfan7908 (talk) 03:54, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

He said specifically ---- The status quo of an article should remain in the case of a disputed change. If you are certain that the previous non-disputed state of the article was when it didn't have Leviathans listed as a weakness, then go ahead and make the change while leaving a note on the article's talk page as to which page revision you are reverting to and why.

On Phoenix and Zeus, the changes were reverted half an hour after they were first added, and were not just left there unchanged like you said. And if you check the talk page I already responded.--SPNfan7908 (talk) 04:19, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

As I said, I did try to discuss it, and Empreyansmoke only locked the page so that his fan theory will still be on there, and only he can remove it.--SPNfan7908 (talk) 04:22, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Again, I locked the page so that you would stop editing to reflect your own views. My edit reflected neither side of the argument, and is therefore unbiased. I don't like having pages locked, because then they can't be edited by users, but your constant reverting to your own argument has drove me to lock them. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:25, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


Hey, Lambda1. Can you please comment on my new blog so we can finally reach a consensus? Thanks. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:21, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


When making references, follow this:

  • <ref name="Brother's Keeper">''[[Brother's Keeper]]''</ref> (for the first occurrence)
  • and <ref name=:Brother's Keeper /> (for subsequent occurrences)

Also, make sure the ref immediately follows punctuation or other refs, with no spaces. Trip391 (talk) 08:52, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ! Sorry, I didn't know what to follow, so I just applied the C++ Coding convention for the name var. Lambda1 (talk) 09:10, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Proper nouns[]

"The" in the Darkness is not supposed to be capitalized, and the CW's press briefs do not. Blood sigil or blood sigil spell should not be capitalized either. The page names should not even be capitalized, which is why when they are linked to they have to be pipelinked to use the correct lower case when written in articles. Trip391 (talk) 02:14, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

How was tonight's episode?[]

how was the episode tonight? Was it great, or just meh? -- ImperiexSeed, 10:34 PM, October 14th 2015

My argument[]

Yes, the spell dramatically weakened the angels. In Kripke's era, punching regular angels, or even cherubs who are supposedly the weakest order of angel, was like punching steel. However, Sam was actually able to punch and kick Gadreel. So, yeah, I'd say the spell drastically dwindled the angels' powers. And, unstoppable, I think not. Unkillable, yes, but not unstoppable. Dean cut off one of his hands, and he was rolling on the floor cringing in pain. If that happened to let's say an archangel, it would've instantly repaired itself. Cain was unkillable due to the mark and his demon powers were heightened significantly, but he's not the god you're trying to make him out to be. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:29 PM, October 21st 2015

Assuming that Castiel was not as strong as in season 7, why did he said he was back at full power ? That could very well be a reference to his seraph version, except for the wings. Well, the fight between Gadreel and Sam was in Sam's mind so things are different. Sam overpowered Lucifer mentally, so it's not really suprising that he could overpower Gadreel. Sam could not even die in his mind, evidenced by the fact that Crowley shot him. I think punching an angel is still like punching steel and the angels only lost their wings and therefore their ability to fly. I don't deny that archangels have far better magical abilities, especially when it comes to healing their vessels injuries, they could probably destroy Cain's vessel easily, but if Cain stands behind Gabriel, puts his hand on Gabriels head and channels the power of The Darkness, as least partially... maybe we would see a red glow. I may be wrong though, but as of now, I consider this more reasonable.Lambda1 (talk) 16:15, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

THANK YOU ImperiexSeed. Cain was one of if not the most powerful demons. But he's not stronger than archangels or even seraphs. He's one of the most overrated characters on this forum.

Abdelfadeel (talk) 15:52, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Omnipotence page[]

Hi, I've left a message for you here. Calebchiam Talk 09:21, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Part 1 of story[]

Hey, Lambda1. I have been working on the story some, and have the beginning to share with you. Is there somewhere I can send it to you? Facebook? Twitter? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

What is your skype name? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:16, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

I sent a contact request on Skype. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:36, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

sorry but i'd rather not get involved in that thing, i have no idea what that is even all about

M. Warlow 21:26, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

EmpyreanSmoke's sorry little as#[]

What's the verdict with wikia and the CW? Really in support of this kid getting stripped of his admin rights and being permanently banned. -- Thescarypea, 7:00 PM, November 24th 2015 

Wikia involvement[]

Hi, I'm not clear as to whose idea it was to involve Wikia in this, but just in case it was unclear, there really is no need to ask them for assistance. We will decide the block times and we do have the tools to remove Empyrean's admin rights if necessary. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 01:58, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Added my two cents to the discussion. Calebchiam Talk 03:01, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, can you point me to the reasons you mentioned? I only see a mention that they can remove his admin rights and block him permanently - something we can do too. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 07:59, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
I see, thanks for the reply. That's certainly fair enough. On a side note, did you change the blog's settings by accident? I seem to be unable to add any further comments to the discussion. Calebchiam Talk 13:08, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


I'm sorry for the way I treated you. I didn't mean anything I said about you. You are a very good poster and contributer and I don't actually want you to leave. That being said, I still stand by my beliefs about the archangels and leviathans and still think you are somewhat biased. But that's absolutely no excuse for the way I treated you.


Are you gonna help me yet man?

Famine is not dead[]

Famine isn't dead, only incapacitated. Discernibly different. As a Horseman, famine cannot die by literally any means, although the solidness of this is a little wobbly now that it's been shown that death's scythe can kill Horsemen. At least at the time, Horsemen could only be killed if their attribute was completely erased from everywhere in the universe. In the episode at hand, Sam merely just defeated him. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:21 PM, December 7th 2015

I think the heart of this line of thinking stems from when War said "you can't kill war," which I took to mean that War can't die unless you rid the whole universe of war. Now this may be too little to ground statements on, I will admit. However, logically it makes sense, for to kill War, Famine, Pestilence, you'd have to erase their attribute wholly from the universe. Anyway, these attributes have their own minds and can take on physical forms anytime they please. There is no distinction between the physical manifestation and the attribute itself, as they take on these forms whenever they want. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:46 PM, December 7th 2015
When War said, "c'mon, you can't kill war, kiddos," he was seemingly implying that if you wanted to kill War, you'd have to erase war from literally everywhere in the universe. Also, War spoke of being in many places at once when his "beeper went off." These both suggest that War is actually the concept of war personified. This is the base for the argumentation. Chronos, on the other hand, never implied or hinted even slightly of being tied to time itself. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:12 PM, December 7th 2015
But, now the show's lore is all screwed up, at the time though, it made sense. Anyway, I would say it's possible that death is still alive but just can't on form for a while. After like season eight, the show stopped making sense. I will argue no further, because I don't have time to wrangle together reasons to try to make sense of the show. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:17 PM, December 8th 2015

Re:RecurringCharacters template[]

It seems someone must have beat me to it, since it already has the Infobox template type applied to it. Thanks for bringing it up. Calebchiam Talk 04:03, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

On a side note, could you lock the blog from editing now that the discussion is over? The ensuing discussion that followed the closure should actually have been held on talk pages, since they are not relevant to the original discussion per se. (Also why it's not good practice to hold official Wiki discussions on personal user blogs, but it took off before anything else could be done about it this instance.) Thanks. Calebchiam Talk 04:05, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hey man, I need your help, urgently.

Why you being such a dick to me, did I offend you in any way? Last time I checked, you and I were cool. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:39 AM, December 18th 2015

Cool beans. Anyway, on the omnipresent matter, nothing--no matter what it is--can exist without space to occupy. Not necessarily because it's inconceivable, but because it's impossible. In any and every scenario involving something that's being said to be able to exist without space, no matter what is inserted or postulated, it cannot work, whether it be God, angels, leprechauns, loch ness monsters, etc. So, inverse, the Darkness couldn't have existed everywhere, because one, there would be no 'there' to exist in, and, two, she and God existed before creation, so how would she know she can exist everywhere? -- ImperiexSeed, 4:09 AM, December 18th 2015

Who'd win in a fight, Arthur the aardvark and Franklin the turtle vs Sam? -- ImperiexSeed, 4:23 AM, December 18th 2015

You know, Arthur from PBS Kids, and the Franklin the turtle was a kids book and had its own series on TV. I remember them from my childhood, and was wondering who you thought would win in a fight, if they both teamed up on Sam. lmao -- ImperiexSeed, 10:06 PM, December 18th 2015

Thanks for your help...


Dude I need your help. 14:38, December 22, 2015 (UTC)|


Hi Lambda1, I am doing sort of a survey, I just want to learn your opinions about my edits, if you could reply I'd be grateful. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:01, January 25, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Thanks a lot for reply Lambda, much appreciated. Also I am grateful for your positive opinions! 

Reapers talk page consensus[]

You should check the Reapers talk page. There's no consensus there; only a long list of arguments as for why Reapers are not angels. They've repeatedly been shown to be unaffected by angel warding. That, in itself, should be proof enough.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:24, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

If that's so, the consensus was that Reapers are not angels, as nobody complained about or countered the arguments that were presented.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:38, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

I'm already typing away.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:50, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Admin nomination[]

No, thank you. I already said I had no interest in that, and I meant it.

Orion (T-B-C) 17:14, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

If you're wondering why, let's just say that from what I've seen, you guys probably wouldn't enjoy my particular style of administrating, on the whole. Check my home wiki (Ben 10 Planet) for examples. The rules, the MoS, ways to reach admins, and even the way suggestions are handled are all my creations. So is the manner in which these things are enforced - strictly (according to some users; others, myself included, think the rules are enforced in a fair manner). I'd remove every drop of speculation, from the occasional "X might be able to do Y to Z" to full-blown "fan theories", the "Wincest" article would be deleted, and I'd probably replace talk pages with message walls, because they're better, period. Fan art would be erased and prohibited, even if it's not present in any articles, and so on and so forth.

The way this wiki works is fundamentally different from the way my home wiki works, I'm guessing mostly due to the differences in the fan base. If you want what I described, then, by all means, nominate me. I'll give it some thought. However, keep in mind that what you see on Ben 10 Planet is exactly what I'd do here. No more, no less. Whether that's good or bad depends on your view.

Orion (T-B-C) 17:31, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

On the whole Lucifer/Michael thing, had I been an admin, I'd have assigned someone to ask one of the writers for confirmation, then locked the articles until we received it. The articles are locked, but, to my knowledge, nobody has actually asked them anything. I don't know where they answer questions outside Twitter (where I don't have an account), so I am unable to do it myself.

Orion (T-B-C) 18:29, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Also, I'm vehemently opposed to adding ref tags to things that are shown in episodes. IMO, references should be reserved for external sources (meaning, things not shown on-screen, but which are still canon), because every reader is presumed to have watched the series. Failing that, they can get caught up by simply reading the articles in question.

Orion (T-B-C) 18:31, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

If there were rules I didn't agree with (admitedly, I haven't done an in-depth search of them, since there don't appear to hinder my ability to edit), I'd probably change them with a majority vote.

Orion (T-B-C) 18:51, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

But you do remember it was shown in an episode. It doesn't really matter which one.

Orion (T-B-C) 18:53, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

That's one of the things I'd change. Consensus is nigh-impossible. Majority vote is not.

Orion (T-B-C) 19:09, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

On my home wiki, we have such a system designed to filter out vote manipulation and encourage contributions. For the record, however, canon is not something that's decided by majority vote. Were I an admin, the fact that God is bisexual, for example, would remain on his article even if every user apart from myself were to vote against it. It was established in the series, so it's not up for debate.

Orion (T-B-C) 19:26, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

How do you guarantee that a user isn't tunneling through TOR or a server ? You can log his user agent/ screen resolution and running web apps but this can be manipulated as well. There is no failsafe way to ensure that an user is gaming the system. Keep in mind that all the data commited by the client to the wikia server can be controlled from the clients side. You can use advanced methods like mouse movement pattern recognition, but this isn't completely accurate either. I agree on that other part though. Lambda1 (talk) 19:35, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
If a user finds the time to get multiple accounts, all with 20+ quality edits or non-minor 100+ mainspace edits in 10 days, just to manipulate a vote, then he/she really needs to get a life.
Orion (T-B-C) 19:43, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Admin Nomination[]

Hey Lambda, hope your doing fine... You are one of few people who edit, argue in good ways. I think you can be an admin but you don't login much. What do you think? Also I think that Kajune and Gabiel456 could be a good admin either. What do you think? SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:32, May 9, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Thanks a lot Lambda for your good wishes. I fell from stairs and I'll be fine in a month. Actually now I have more time to edit in wikia but lots of troll users made me mad. Thats why I wanted to quit yesterday since there isn't any active admin here. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:00, May 9, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

God heals Lucifer[]

Hi, um, I just wanted to ask, if it's really okay to have God healing Lucifer on Lucifer's page, when that image can be found elsewhere. I got this urge to have a diversity of images, so nothing seems too repeative. What do you think?Kajune (talk) 00:48, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Re:End of Reality[]

However, Dean and Sam were planning to kill Darkness and it won't destroy the reality if both dies. I know God was dying but still... You have a point tho. SeraphLucifer (talk) 09:09, June 2, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer