Jyggalag Daedric Prince of Order

aka Kesslerbeast

  • I was born on March 6

Welcome

Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Lucifer page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Hallichester (Talk) 02:33, September 24, 2011

Sure! I don't have the books or it would have been something I would have done a long time ago. But I'm gonna order them soon. So go ahead! // Hallichester // 09:33, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Book Recap

To add a recap, all you have to do is write one and then make an edit on the page, putting it up. Is that what you meant? // Hallichester // 16:40, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

please join crossoverrp


Wmwesbugg29 (talk) 17:36, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

In the form of a blog, yes, it is. But ONLY in that form. There's a Wiki that's specifically designed for Fanfiction. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:09 PM, September 9th 2012

"Winchest" Deletion

Attention, Fellow editors of this Wiki, I am sending you this message, to draw your attention to present discussion over whether or not to allow the fan fiction page "Winchest" to remain on this wiki or not, as this is an important issue, I, as do all the other users, invite you, to state your opinion on this issue, I personally do not mind if you argree with me or not, on this matter. I will not take judment on your views, but I feel they should be stated, as this is an issue which could change the very future of this wiki, and as loyal contributors, we all have a right to state our view on what happens to this wiki, and what its future is. Thank you.

Ps: Kindly do not send your views on this topic to me, simply place them upon the "Winchest" talk page. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:46, September 17, 2012 (UTC)



"Shtriga" Deletion

Hey, I was just watching that episode, and edited the article accordingly, only to find that you deleted my edit almost immediately without explanation. In the episode, Sam/Dean actually mentions that they cannot be killed by any human weapons or god weapons. Even though I just watched it before, I forget which of them said it.Iowa Contact (talk) 15:25, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I remember the episode and even watched it over and they never say that.

You...watched it over...in the twenty or so seconds between our two posts? Funny, because I literally was watching that part right before I edited the article.Iowa Contact (talk) 14:43, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I was watching when they discussed the damned thing on the episode and they never say that! Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 15:19, March 27, 2013 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

"The Shtriga is invulnerable to all weapons devised by God and man." - Sam, while researching it. 15:40 into the episode.

You're welcome.Iowa Contact (talk) 23:21, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Who is that in you avatar?

Hi sorry to bother you I was wondering who that was in your avatar?MrAnonymous (talk) 13:46, October 13, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous

Novel Canonization

Hey I can understand our argument on the novels, and i wonder, would it seem better if we remove both categories canon and non-canon, and label each book individually based on canonical(if thats a word) status. To me that seems like a proper solution. Winchester7314 (talk) 14:19, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm....that does seem fair....I'm working on creating each individual page for each individual book. You're welcome to help if you like. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 22:24, November 28, 2012 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

I'm getting involved. Canon is defined as info that pertains to something. So therefore, Kesseler's right in saying that the Supernatural novels are canon, which makes Winchester7314 wrong. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:34 PM, November 28th 2012

Thank you Imperiex but I think we have good agreement going now...some of the novels would be considered un-canon. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 22:38, November 28, 2012 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Alright, pal. I just wanted to make sure that Winchester7314 didn't harass you especially inaccurately. Tell me if you need my assistance. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:42 PM, November 28th 2012

Sure thing Imperiex. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 22:45, November 28, 2012 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Sorry, but no. The only reason I say this, is because other users will see it, and could very possibly rack the wiki with fake characters. I'd have said sure if you were the only one to do it. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:08 PM, November 28th 2012

Thanks anyways Imperiex. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 01:12, November 29, 2012 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Old friend

Wazzup!! Battlelord7 (talk) 23:33, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hey buddy. How are things? Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 23:40, December 19, 2012 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Bodacious, that is how its going. Battlelord7 (talk) 23:59, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Novel Info

Hey! Any update on what spices were used on the manta ray tail whip in "Fresh Meat" to kill the Aswang?AaronHW (talk) 22:29, March 28, 2013 (UTC)AaronHW

It might be awhile, i loaned my copy to a friend.Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 11:09, April 7, 2013 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Probably in the season 8 timeline...Either the Hindu gods Shiva/Vishnu as an ally...You could make Garth as the sole lead...Let me know if you want more details...ME$$AIAH 16:13, April 7, 2013 (UTC)RaghavD

ImperiexSeed's idea for an episode

Have the Almighty, acting behind the scenes in someway. His hand in "Smypathy for the Devil" could be a standard, when he snatched Dean and Sam, whisking them onto a plane. Have Death appear, an Archangel and a cupid. How it panes out is totally up to you, Kessler. I can't say I currently have a recap. You make it up. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:57 PM, April 7th 2013

It might be awhile before I can get around to it, because I can't do it on my mobile.Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 00:41, April 8, 2013 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Shtriga

Okay, to avoid a pointless editing war, I think its best if we talk this issue over like two rational human beings. Now I'm a trusting person, so if you say it says its a witch, then I believe you. However I disagree its correct. For my first reason I would like to point out the Shtriga has nothing in common with any other witch to ever appear on the show, it doesn't practice magic, it possess enhanced physical attributes (while witches, unless charmed are simply humans who practice magic to a strong degree), it eats people (well there souls but still counts) none of these traits are witch like, there all monster traits not witch traits.

Second its stated the Shtriga's true form is that hag like appearance, but it takes human form during the day, Witches are mostly normal humans, so once again it doesn't follow the traits of a witch, in fact the idea of a creature taking human form is another monster trait (dragons, Rakassha, werewolves, skinwalkers, pheonix and crocotta do this.)

Now my next point is, does being called a witch really mean that it is a genuine witch? After all both in show and out of show (in your season guide books) have referred to creatures as something there not, for example Amazons, Leviathans and pagan gods have all been called monsters on multiple occasions, despite the fact that as none of them are the children of Eve there not really monsters. There called simply an analogy, or an insult couldn't calling the Shtriga a witch fall under the same category?

Finally I'm going to take it, your going to say all of this is simply opinion, well okay here's a fact, that proves that at the very least its been reconned that the shtriga isn't a witch, when Sam and Dean first meet witches in "Malleus Malfecium" they make it quite clear that they have never met witches before this date, now if the shtriga was really some form of witch, wouldn't one of them brought it up, atleast once?

Well thats the opening statement to my argument, I await your reply. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:46, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

"Striga are Albanian witches that often take on the form of an elderly woman or a doctor. AStriga feeds by sucking the "breath of life" out of its victims." And later in the next paragraph it says "We went through several designs of what different WITCHES would look like."- Kesslerbeast

I never said I didn't belive you, did you actually read my argument? General MGD 109 (talk) 19:21, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Eric Kripke said that....how much more proof do you need that they are witches?- Kesslerbeast

Well I'm sorry, but the fact that every other fact, other than that one is in contrast, makes me skeptical. By this point they clearly didn't have much idea about witches, so it was clearly changed later on, its a common thing in shows, for it make sense in context however, it has to be taken that its not a witch. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:28, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

There's as much proof that it is a witch than Chuck is God....- Kesslerbeast

They're witch-like. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:33 PM, April 12th 2013

Really? Do you mind if I give you an example, in Phantom Stranger the demons demonic form rembels insects more than smoke, it can only possess the weak and the scared, only the iris turn black rather than the whole eye, and holy water litarly burns its flesh. Why great differance? Its early days, all the details haven't been desided yet, what reason is it we come to in show, its a special and quite unique demon. Same situation occurs here, in reallity they simply hadn't desided how they were going to portray witches yet, and went for a child eating hag like type. Later they switched it for a medieval depiction. But in show, the explination we come to is they were mistaken and it was really a monster, its the only way to preserve continuity. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:37, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

True, and, the writers have changed the adaptation of demons in lore. Well, actually, demons as portrayed in Supernatural, are nothing like demons in lore. But, that's besides the point. The Shtriga, inverse, resemble both a monster and a witch. So, if anything, they should be called what's known as a hag. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:41 PM, April 12th 2013
I agree, it is clearly based upon a hag.General MGD 109 (talk) 19:43, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
However, here, there's a glitch. Because, technically, the word "hag" is just another name for a witch. It's generally used to describe an ugly practioner of magic. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:47 PM, April 12th 2013
True, but as I think I made clear in my opening argument, from what we've seen its got more in common with monsters than Witches, as it doesn't practice magic, eat humans and possess enhanced physical powers. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:50, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
I agree, but remember, witches can enhance their physical phisology. Patrick jinxed himself, or something, and made himself, to a degree, invulnerable. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:54 PM, April 12th 2013

Let's just pray to Chuck for a damned answer! -Kesslerbeast

I've provided you with an damn answer! Weren't you listening? -- ImperiexSeed, 4:03 PM, April 12th 2013

Why don't we just get on chat and discuss this.

Fan Series

If you want, we can do some similar fan series together. As we both, do make them and your's are rather impressive.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 22:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose it could workSelf-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 23:34, April 18, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Like, I mean. My newest work is dealing, with my concept of the One Magic. A common western and eastern view on magic, all coming from one limitless amount and completely unrestricted supernatural power. So, twicked it somewhat, and made as well, it is a small pagan origins for all the pagan gods/deities. The One Magic was the orignal from and source of all original or primordail gods of most to all the other religions, and other magical creatures like faries. And the magic none magic people use like Sam and Dean, comes from this as they aren't impowered with magic like gods, faries, demons, angels, etc and there weren't built with magic like Angels. (Herny is an exception, as he did use his soul for a spell, but souls while magic are what makes them eternal.). But, Angels while magic, were made by God which is omnipotent, so their magic is from God making. Something similar with Reapers if Death is their father and not just boss.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 23:50, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 01:49, April 19, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast.

No point, starting a new message under, the same topic fan series.My share of the episode details, that I said I would give. Now these are just suggestions of characters, history, story summary, quotes etc. You don't have to use them, I am just trying to be helpful. 

  • Title: Chaos Theory ( I will go on to why, in Chaos's section of powers.)
  • Fan characters: Chaos and her actor is Felicity Jones. (I choose her, as it seem more realistic than just choosing an A lister female actor.)
  • Her powers: General deity powers immortality, teleporting, spell casting, telekinesis, and supernatural preception, but her main power is more like an Area of Effect. That when she loses control or doesn't constantly try to control it, her very being emit a magical reality altering effect, that makes chaotic events in a larger area. Like, people can follow their own chaotic natures, or even people or thing are brought into creation. Like, how Fred Jones could make an avail fall from the sky. This affect could be how Sam and Dean get into her case. Back to the title, as Chaos produces a chaotic event. Chaos theory would should good, as it while science, it relates to how a small event can led to bigger ones in a chain.
  • Qutoes: Possible noteable quotes.
  1. Dean: (So what we got, here another Fred Jones, a trickster, an angel or just some trouble maker?)
  2. Sam: (Best guess, I would say Chaos the original Protogenoi)
  3. Dean: (Protogenoi, isn't that a kind of god?)
  4. Sam: (Well, more like the original gods. They formed the greek mythology and were the first of it's gods.)
  5. Dean: ( Damn, any idea on how to kill one?)
  6. Sam: (No idea, it was in one of my history courses at Standford. The Protogenoi were said to be truly immortal as they formed the fabric of reality.)
  7. Dean: (Wait, I thought ancient and near to unkillable things were last season's gig?) A direct reference quote on the Leviathans and season 7.
  8. Chaos: ( Look, I don't know what I am ok. All I know is, a year I was naked and I woke up in a cave in some forests. As the days went by, I figured I must have magic. As I can think and I could move stuff with my mind. I could speak a word, and stuff would just happen. But, when I am around people and I get excited, like happy or pissed off. Weird things start happening.)

These are all the quotes I can think of, and no not all are direct quotes in order.  I hope this helps

I was thinking, Crowley could use her, as near to unkillable god, with powers in the Archangel class, would be in his mind good for acquring more power. But, Naomi wants to keep her sealed away or use her herself, so she doesn't try to take over Heaven. As with Michael her sealer in the cage, and no other archangels are around. And it takes a lot of power, to seal her away more than what Naomi has. Also, she wouldn't be seal in the cave, per say. That is just happen to be where, she was released at after the Enochian seal warding ended. As, now they want to use Metraton to find, another way of dealing with her. 

I hope these ideas help.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 22:39, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 23:02, May 8, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Thanks, I mean it might be my request. But you doing the hard parts. So, I should do my fair share of work as well. Hence, the preivous message and the details.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 23:12, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 23:14, May 8, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

I'm Sorry

Could you be more specific please, I'm not sure what your talking about. General MGD 109 (talk) 00:16, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I meant that there is information in the companion guides that we probably wouldn't find otherwise. Information that I have access to. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 00:28, May 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Right I'm with you now, so what else does it say? As its important to include this information (unless it controdicts what is said in the show as that is the primary source) I understand that there is probably to much to tell me here and now, but can you find an example please? General MGD 109 (talk) 00:35, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well the season six one says that Eve didn't mean to make the Phoenix and that it is hated by all of Eve's other children. Oh and its thousands of years old. And the only one of its kind. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 00:42, May 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Very interesting, that explains many questions that I had about why one of Eve's children would be able to kill her. Okay, you should include this and other information on the wiki, as it is only benificial. I see no one disagreeing with this being added. Just make sure to referance where it comes from, or else you may get accused of making it up. General MGD 109 (talk) 00:47, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I would but for some reason, I can't edit pages right now. Just talk pages and blogs. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 00:49, May 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Its fixed now....I don't know how thoughSelf-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 00:58, May 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

You have to trust a system for it to let you down. Glad its fixed now, if it happens again I suggest you report it to the matenice site. General MGD 109 (talk) 01:02, May 11, 2013 (UTC) 

Sure thing. And you're welcome. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 01:04, May 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Hi! When you get time, could you add pages for Harpies, Obake and Aswang and maybe Oni (I can't remember if that's preexisting or not haha). You seem to have the most knowledge of the novels. AaronHW (talk) 01:27, May 28, 2013 (UTC)AaronHW

Oni is already partially created but I haven't finished it yet. The rest I will get to when I have the chance. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 01:32, May 28, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Alpha Borderwalker

Do you think we could create a page for Alpha Borderwalker and include it in the Alphas page? I mean the novels are afterall canon, right?ME$$@I@H (talk) 17:46, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Canonity of novels, in my opinion, are subject to doubt. FTWinchester (talk) 22:35, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

It is hard to explain. Besides, the Alpha Borderwalker wasn't actually created by Eve. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 23:20, May 28, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

I'm....not. Don't bounce to conclusions! I don't live the model of a perfect life, no one does. I'm fine....really. I'm in the process of writing a book, and I'm frantically looking for work and trying to get my own apartment. Meet me on chat if you'd like to discuss this any further. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:25 PM, June 6th 2013

Use them....uh, no. Well, not on the episode pages. Their recaps are great as they are. From the focal point of the episode, they're well written and portrayed. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:01 PM, June 8th 2013

Chat

Not an issue.RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 06:31, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fate-killing Blade

I suppose you could just modify the existing Fate-killing Blade based on the info from the companion? FTWinchester (talk) 14:24, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your input on the Big Bad. I'm curious as to other information about Castiel being along the lines of a 'Big Bad'. If you could please expound on it? FTWinchester (talk) 04:04, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Countdown Clock

Hey, I just had an idea. Shouldn't we have a countdown clock on the Season 9 page, counting down the days until the premiere episode?. What do you think? Is it ok or unnecessary?

I think the clock should go on the front page so it can be edited if they pick it up for Season 10. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 17:13, June 21, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

You do think it's a good idea, right?RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 17:17, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

It's a good idea, just for the wrong page...instead of Season 9's page it should be placed on the Main Page. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 19:02, June 21, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

I agree that should be on the main page. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:14, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. It does make sense, now that you say it. Thanks for the input. Both of you. :) RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 07:17, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ban of Vandal

I banned him and prevented him from editing for a few months. I also reverted his other edits. Also don't go all Incredible Hulk, man!. Chill :) RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 07:54, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. And yesterday I hadn't slept in about two days. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 15:09, July 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

It's fine. I understand.RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 15:24, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hey Jygg its me Creeper from the Elder Scrolls Wiki So I see you got banned huh. well Just came here to say hello.

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