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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Hallichester (Talk) 11:54, March 16, 2011

Would you like to help me set it up(Terra) 03:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Add pages of Bobby Singer Cas and Jo Ellen Harvelle

Hello. Is it true that if a user doesn't log in for some time, his account will be deleted? It's just a thought of mine, because I cannot login anymore to my old account which is Epakrios. Thanks for your time.Ikmeos (talk) 19:58, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Response to your message on the Smallville wiki[]

Hey. Since I couldn't get to you on the SV w iki (the IP who was harassing me shared my IP address for some reason), I just thought I'd tell you that I won't be able to be on the wiki until August 5th due to the block. And I'm doing okay, although I'm oh-so-very pissed off because of what happened on my blog. Frankly, I need some time to cool down - Cloisfan1 seriously struck a nerve and pissed off a lot of users - . So I'll be taking some time off, but I'll be checking in to see what's happening on the wiki. And I saw you removed the "fap fap fap" on my talk page; I would've done it myself if the IP hadn't been blocked. Thanks though! :)

Please reply on my talk page on the SV wiki. Thanks! - TomWellingishot

I think "so-pissed-that-I-want-to-burn-that-guy's-computer" would be a better term lol, but yeah, I'd really appreciate it if you asked them to undo the block. I need the IP address and Cloisfan1 to be unblocked , cuz I get an infobox saying that I can't comment/edit because they're blocked. I even tried Lastsonofkrypton's suggestion and reset my router, which didn't work with getting around the block. - TWISH

Okay, thank you! :)

Well...I saw on Kanamekun's talk page that he asked how one stole another's IP, which I recommend replying to. , Having a dad that works for Microsoft, I know IP theft is pretty much impossible. My situation is that Cloisfan1 and I shared the same IP, and that both his profile and the IP address ( were both seperately blocked. So just undoing one block won't fix my problem here - and that's all from the infobox I get. (Sorry if I sound a bit aggravated - as I said before, I'm still furious about my blog situation).

I read it. :) Now we just have to cross our fingers to see what he says. And about Cloisfan1's block, since he was blocked by another admin, VegaDark, just wondering, is it even possible to undo another admin's block? His block lasts until 2012(?!) and I so won't be too happy if that one can't be undone...

I read what he said. :( Thanks for trying to get him to change his mind; it'd be a miracle if he did. And yeah, considering that you gave me a pep talk on my blog some weeks ago, protected my page from Proto000 and Cloisfan1 as well as standing up to Cloisfan1, I'll always have your back too. :)

You're kidding, right? :( I saw he hasn't replied to your recent message, so there still might be a small chance of this mess being cleaned up. Maybe you should contact the wiki staff? Just a suggestion. Anyway, you should probably inform the other users that I'll be gone for a while (although they can contact me on other wikis: Supernatural wiki, Vampire Diaries wiki, Harry Potter wiki)...

You didn't say anything that offended me; I was (and am), however, really upset right now cuz Kanamekun won't fix the problem. Now I have to wait a fucking year (excuse my language; as I said, I'm upset with Kanamekun) or a month (both blocks are for different lengths) before I can get back on the wiki!!!

Okay, you know how some people - when they get bad news- they're like "You're kidding"? Ya that was why I put it there. Sorry for the confusion!

Well, the wait is bound to be long and secondly, since Cloisfan1 and I've the same IP, I wouldn't be so sure it's for a month...

I don't get it either. That was my first encounter with cyberbullying, (and if we personally knew that shithead who was harrassing me, I'd help you beat him up, what with being a black belt in karate and all), and I swear (no offense to any admins), admins can be so...unlogical sometimes. Anyway, please do try any other admins!!

Ya, he got a year! D:

Oh, Thank God for that!I I don't wanna sound corny, but you're a lifesaver!!!! Thank you so much! :)

Once again, thank you! I really appreciate your help! (Thank God the IP/Cloisfan1 wasn't banned all across wiki!)

My contribs don't say I was ever blocked. I was blocked indirectly when the seperate IP and user were blocked. Call it a chain reaction: one (in this case two) is blocked, another by accident.

No. If either the user or IP stay blocked, I'll be blocked. It's a risk, but it's either that or I wait a month or year...Although I do think he gave up the moment he was blocked.

Ya, exactly. Once this is fixed, we'll just have to wait and see. This is me, but I'd be really surprised if he left an apology on our talk pages although I doubt it will.

Will do. I wonder why when I tried it the first time, it didn't work?

) The funny thing is, before turning to you, I tried contacting VegaDark (who happens to be an admin/beauracrat) about the block because he blocked my IP and he deleted my message(?!). I really don't get it, but we were just lucky the ban was only on the SV wiki...
I can log in, but I can't edit/comment. Did you give them the IP address and the link to Cloisfan1's profile? We're talking about two separate blocks that are blocking me. and - these two are the blocks I've been talking about..
I just sent him the message.
Wow, my luck seems really bad this week. You should read his response...Ok, this is just me, but I'm convinced that no admins will be able to help out (probably cuz I'm already worn out lol).
What'd "Possible-Proto000" say, just wondering? Anyway, I'll ignore it should it happen to me. I mean, I'm already irritated that I'm blocked from the SV wiki for something I didn't do, and having my page vandalized, well, that'd be my last straw to be honest.
I tried contacting admin Hallichester on this wiki to see if he'd be able to help out; speaking of, on the other wikis that I visit, I might try to get a hold of any other admins to see if they can help the situation...
It's not like you tried to vandalize my page (I know you wouldn't, though); it's fine. :)
Yep. It does! :)
I have no idea! I personally think it's my username that made them attack me, but I honestly don't care if it's a bit...odd of a name. And I think that Cloisfan1 was way outta line; I mean, c'mon, reading my messages (well your messages) on my talk page and thinking that we're in a romantic relationship? It's like he knew we were friends or something (he probably did)!
His calling me a slut - that was it for me. That really pissed me off; it wasn't the first time a guy's been mean to me. Nice work on your Season 12, btw! :) *two thumbs up*
Ya, well...let's just say that my ex-boyfriend disagrees. He hit me not too long ago (yesterday)! >:( And yeah, about your new blog, no problem! :)
I'd already dumped him after I found out he asked me out for the hell of it; he never liked me. And, being the one that never backs down from a fight (I know, that isn't a good thing sometimes), I took him down. And yeah, guys these days can be so disrespectful!
Yup, I beat him up. Me - I'm the girl no guy wants to screw around with.
I like you a lot (no, not in the "I want to date you" way). You've definitely got the brains on a lot of DC/Marvel, Harry Potter, and Supernatural (your profile says that on both wikis) which is actually really helpful for things like the Deux Ex Machina thing on my blog. Also, I saw that you're a writer, like me! :) I don't think I mentioned that with the entire Cloisfan1 situation, I really appreciated it when you intervened and tried helping me out - which several users did. And I personally do not know any users who would willingly spend an entire 2 days trying to help me with my blocking situation; so once again thank you for that! :)
Most users would probably be very tired of constantly getting messages from one particular user lol. And could you give evidence that I was "scared", please? Cuz I certainly don't recall being scared, but yeah I was kinda helpless...Also, could you please do me a favor and let the users who've been commenting on my blog that I won't be able to write my series for a month (I hope *gulp*) because of this stupid block? Thanks! :)They're probably wondering why I haven't been on the wiki. And it's okay, btw. :) I never said I was pissed at you for something, so let's forget it happened. :)
Thank you! LOL I just realized kinda an upside to this block; I now have plenty of time to work through my ideas for my blog, cuz I once again happen to be at a writer's block (perfect timing lol). This is just my thinking, but I'm under the impression Cloisfan1 somehow knew my IP and was trying to get me blocked.
Thanks! You should check this new section on my talk page and feel free to join in; it was a shock even for me!


I replied to his message, but, as I said earlier, I'm still really pissed off at him for the blog situation. - TWISH

Just to let you know, I'm on right now. Leave me a message on my talk page and I'll get back to you. :)


Wow, she's really mad at me... - Cloisfan1

Well, I'm trying to make up for this and she makes bitchy remarks! How am I to know if she won't put spam on my page?!

I like Supernatural, Vampire Diaries, Smallville, Falling Skies, Pretty Little Liars and Nine Lives of Chloe King. Before she put her FB page under protection, I saw that we watch the exact same shows...

Wait, her, TomWellingishot's, Facebook page?

Yep. She put it so only friends could see her profile information, apparently.

Oh, well she said that only friends can FB her and chat with her, so I'll respect that, and not ask what her name is.

Yeah. The fact that her brother and mom are friends with her says it all...

Oh. So, dude, just curious, and I'm not trying to push it, but do you happen to know Proto00 personally? So, what books do you like to indulge in?

Yeah, actually. He picks on me every single day, though. And I read Maximum Ride, a lot of Nicholas Sparks, and Lois & Clark: A Superman Novel. (On TWISH's FB page, it's listed under her fave books).

That's terrible, what so in real life or online?

Real life. He gave me a black eye.

I'm so sorry, and just curious, but how do you know he is Proto000?

He writes the same crap all over my FB wall that he did on the SV wiki.

I'm so sorry, what is he your friend, cause if not, then you can block him, right?

I deleted him from my friend list, reported him and then blocked him.

So let's get away from the negativity and go somewhere else, have any favorite books?

Hey, sorry, I'd tell you now but I gotta go (seeing Transformers 3). TTYL!

Okay, dude, well have fun, and ttyl. :)

Well, the flick's about to start (I'm using my phone here), but just curious, how's TWISH holding up? I would leave a message on her page, but she's probably still pissed.

So, how's the movie, and she's doing good, yeah go for it, leave a message on her talk page, but I'd make it brieff and very kind... Trust me on this one, I understand her pretty well. ;)

First off, the movie was awesome! And second off, she called me a shithead?! Would you mind explaining thtis to me before I go ranting off on her page? >:( I'm not asking for another fight, dude...


Lol I wish it did. You probably value truth, so I'll be truthful here: I feel terrible for the entire fight on TWISH's blog (I know, I sound corny, but still). I've always been the type to think before speaking (or typing in this case)...

Talk to ya later dude. (:

RE:Checkin' in[]

It's really good, actually. Cloisfan1 and I finally made up last night...What'bout you? How're things on your end? :) - TWISH

Yeah, yeah I can talk. :) And sadly, no admins are able to help me - as they're only users on the Smallville wiki - the wiki staff has yet to get back to my email. (Speaking of, have you contacted them yet? They may be able to help the situation.) We just have to hope I can get back on the wiki on August 5th (and when I do get back on, well, it's gonna be a very good day.) Although, since IPs do change every once in a while, it may be quite possible that I'm only AWOL from the wiki for a month...

How 'bout...geez, I have no idea, maybe what may happen in Season 7? :)

Season 7[]

Yeah, $5.00 says Cas will be the main Big Bad of the season. Crowley, well, he'll either die (for real) or resurrect someone, as you said. It's going to be really interesting seeing how Sam's story plays out. He did, after all, go to hell... - The one and only TWISH

Thank you. You too - it's nice chatting with you. :) And ttyl! (Re: If I don't reply to your messages, I'm not at home, but I'll get back to ya.)

Sweet! :)

Nothing much, just trying to really improve this wiki...and I'm good, thank you. :)


Lol, yeah, I've been literally sitting around the house bored out of my freaking mind. ;) Hey, um, you caught me at kinda a bad time - I'm going out for lunch in a few. I'll get back to you when I get back - sorry!

Ok I'll be going in like 3 minutes, so before I go, I'd like to see another hunter (a female one, maybe, to spice things up) join Sam and Dean and maybe have a love triangle. I know - totally different...

Guess who's back? :)

I tried, and I'm still blocked....:( Did you give him the links to Cloisfan1 and the Ip? Those are causing my block, which isn't in my contributions...

God, what is it with him and attacking you?! >:( (And I clarified the blocking issue with Seth Cooper, giving him the links to the blockees. Awaiting his reply even as we speak).

I'm...well, I dunno. Irritated? Cuz I'm still autoblocked on the SV wiki! And my lunch was great; I went to Claim Jumper and got a burger. :) (And for my Smallville wiki problem, my password is "love." You've my permission to log in as me and try to edit, if you want to...)

That may be because you have a different IP. When I, on my computer, try to I just get this:

The block was made by VegaDark.

  • Reason given: Abusing multiple accounts: vandalism
  • Start of block: 20:08, July 5, 2011
  • Expiry of block: 20:08, August 5, 2011
  • Intended blockee:
  • Block ID: #4614
  • Current IP address:

{C}I think it'd most definitely work, but there is just one small hitch: my parents and brother. It'd seem a little silly to them to them if I asked, "Hey, can we go to the library so I can edit the Smallville wiki?" (And no, I just can't walk there.) I mean, even that sounds ridiculous. A few minutes prior to this reponse, I reset my router...again, and my IP hasn't changed one bit. I'm fully convinced that I'll have to wait till August until I return to the wiki. :(

It's fine, and frankly, almost everyone is pointing me towards the Wikia Staff, which is AWOL at the moment...

Ya, and about the admin thing...I personally think the Smallville wiki needs a few more admins, not that I'm suggesting you randomly ask for sysop rights from Kanamekun. It's for problems like mine where a some more admins would probably be needed.

Holy crap, you watch Falling Skies? I love that show! :) Anyway, later (I'll reply to your next message tomorrow - I have to go in a few)!

Yeah, you would and - let's just say you were - it'd be really convenient if you were given the sysop rights like say overnight or something lol. :)

Cool. This is just me, but it doesn't really sound like a lot for you to get the rights (probably cuz I'm not an admin lol). ;)

You and TWISH (if you don't mind)[]

Just wondering, do you know TWISH personally, as in, you actually hang out with her? You two seem like really close friends. - CF1

Actually, since on some of the other wikis I've been to, I've been getting a lot of hostility just because of my opinions and comments. I just point out flaws to help out with some blogs, and people just lash out at me. No need to intervene - I'm already trying to decide whether or not to delete my account believe it or not. (And something I've been wondering and TWISH - how exactly does that happen? Most users I know barely talk or not talk at all...)

Dude, were you or were you not there during the incident on TWISH's blog? That is just proof that I'm not wanted, and frankly, I have no problem with that.

I've reconsidered.[]

I've been doing some thinking for the past couple of hours, and I've reconsidered. I'm not shutting down my account. - CF1

So, here you are![]

I've been looking everywhere! How's it going? It´s me! Proto000! :D

*gulp* Aww, crap...[]

He, Proto000, is after me, now! >:( Well, we're just ignoring each other cuz we had a huge conflict about blocking each other(?!). He left you a message; I would delete it but he'd try to get me blocked for trying to help you... Anyway, I really could've used your help with the situation. TWISH

You should've read his messages on the admin's talk pages. He was trying to get me blocked!

They haven't been online for a while. (Speaking of admins, I was checking the Smallville wiki and saw you asked Kanamekun if you could become one).

I just deleted them, and should Proto000 come back and try again at this "blame 'n' block" crap, there's bound to be trouble. :P As a last resort and a precaution should Proto000 keep bugging us on this wiki, I used the link Small Owl posted on one of your other talk pages and VegaDark blocked his IP.

My reply[]

I'm doing fine, thank you. What 'bout you? And about my blog, thanks! I just got this really cool idea for a mini-series - I'll give you the deets when you respond. ;)

You're welcome. :) And yes, you heard me correctly. :)))

Ya, you showed me it like last week or something. And, you brought in the H.I.V.E.? From Mark Walden's novels? That's awesome! (And as for my blog I have 2 words for you: Carter. Shayera. It's going to be their lives back when Carter was Prince Khufu.)

Thank you! Quite frankly, it's amazing how ideas can just come to you like that. I was just watching Shield, and it just hit me...

Ya, I'm here. I just thought I'd give you some space cuz I thought I was coming off as kinda pushy, so I'm happy to report that I'm not mad at you. Plus, I've been rather busy.

Neither can I. :) As long as Cloisfan 1's block doesn't affect my block time, I should be back on in August. :D Just wondering, whaddya think of the idea of Lois Lane as Watchtower III? Anyway, I read your updates on your Kinder Justice series, and it's getting even more awesome, especially with the Ent addition! I know, I'm a Tolkien fanatic. ;)

Whoa. I just looked them up on the DC wiki, and how did I not see that one coming? LOL! And I'm doing great - you? :) And I read your two-parter; I gotta hand it to ya, you've got imagination. ;) How do you even come up with such awesome material? ;)

Um, I dunno? Maybe...favorite music? ;)

You're welcome. ;) I'm just gonna tell you anyway, but I just go through the writing process: thinking it through, doing the outline, and then a few drafts before I do the final draft. I like Taylor Swift, Rookie of the Year, Paramore, Angels and Airwaves, Linkin Park, Boys Like Girls - this may be a shocker considering he's a huge trend among teens, but I do NOT like Justin Bieber - and Blink 182. Those are just a few of a very long list of my favorite bands.

Wow. This is a toughie since I love both Superman and Hawkgirl...but I'm going to say Hawkgirl. I've liked her for as long as I can remember.

Wow. That's a long list; you must've read a ton of comics...;)

I haven't read any of the comics, actually, but I did like anime back when I was younger (Avatar: The Last Airbender). I've been writing for as long as I can remember, and I just got a account. In case you're curious, my pen name is ZoeyStark 4ever. Once I upload my first story, I'll give you the link if you want. ;)

...Ella. I'd give you my last name, but *sigh* my parents won't let me give out my surname to peop le I don't know. Not that I don't know you, but they'd think these talk pages are chat rooms which are totally against their rules so...

That's good. :) So...whaddya wanna chat about now?

I have to say super-speed and super dexterity, what with being a klutz and all for the latter.

Cool choices. As for his other abilities, flight is awesome although, I'll admit, I am kinda scared of heights - depending on how high they are lol.

I've been on the top of the Space Needle without freaking out; it all depends on how high it is. ;) And could you please do me a favor and on my Season 11 blog? Could you tell everyone that although I'm not online on the Smallville wiki, they can still contact me on other wikis (Lostpedia, Vampire Diaries wiki, this wiki)? Thanks!

Thank you! And yeah, you have. :) Just thought I'd point this out, but there's bound to be drama when - if - people contact me here on this wiki and see that you've been in contatc with me this entire time. Not that I'm saying you delete this wiki from your message...

What?! No! I was just pointing that out, but let's keep on talking, okay? Even if there is a chance of wiki drama because of it, well, we can explain to whoever contacts me should it happen. Look, let's just forget I ever said that, okay?

Well...two more weeks until I'm back on the Smallville wiki!

Thanks! And frankly, I'm dying to get back on and restart my blogging and editing. :)

Just a reminder :)[]

I was checking up on the Smallville wiki a few hours ago, and Kanamekun replied (like a few days ago) to your recent message. I'd recommend responding, but whatevs. :) - The one and only TWISH

) I thought we were going to start arguing over a simple misunderstanding lol(?).
Me neither, given your comments to Cloisfan1 back when we hated each other's guts. I mean, you saw just from my comments that (like you), I'm the wrong user to piss off.
I dunno. There really isn't anything to talk about now...
Okay, just to clear this up, I do want to talk, but there's not much to chat about as of...oh, wait. What about favorite video games (yeah, I play video games). You're not pissed at me, are you, over this misunderstanding? :(
I like Portal and Portal 2, Mystey Case Files: Dire Grove, Kinect Sports, Dance Central, and Lord of the Rings: Conquest.
Lol, yeah, I mean if I pulled a Proto000 and put porn (gross, much?) on your page after deleting everything or talking trash about your Kinder Justice series, that'd really change things. And yeah, we're like 2 peas in a pod. :)
Yeah, and you know me well enough that I would not put porn on your page - although about your blog, why would I talk trash about it? And since I changed my password as a precaution since I gave you it, it's unlikely that Proto000 would hack my account to make it look like I vandalized your profile. And I need your opinion on this for my blog, but since Chloe retired and Tess is dead, what do you think of Lois as Watchtower?
Well...she is a member of the League as of Patriot. I was thinking of having Clark see her major potential in the League and have him make her an official member- codename and all, without the costume of course - after they try to get through LexCorp's security. She, of course, would pretend to be a LexCorp employee and get to a computer before helping them out (I'm still working out the details).
Ya, I figured that since she joined the team, she might as well majorly contribute as an official member.
Guess who's back? :)
I wish. :( I was on a sugar rush when I sent that message lol.
Ya. Perfect excuse to annoy my big brother. And, believe me, you'll know when I get back on the Smallville wiki. I'm going to make my return a big thing lol. ;) And just a reminder, on August 5th, I won't be responding to any messages from users on the Smallville wiki on whatever wiki they contact me on. There will be a huge neon sign saying "I'M BACK!" Lol, just kidding, there won't be but as I said before, you'll know when I'm back... :)
We've commented on each other's blogs, been through hell with Proto000 and Cloisfan1 (back before the truce) and chatted ourselves silly ever since I was blocked. Of course we'd continue to chat like this! :) When I said we were BFFs, I meant it.
Ya, ya no problem. :)
You know...I probably won't have to wait until August. I haven't been checking the Smallville wiki for a while now, but if the "deal" about your possible adminship is still on, there's actually a chance of you getting the sysop rights to fix my autoblock...Just a thought. :)
That sounds great! :) Thank you! The block isn't in my contributions, but since Cloisfan1 (both IP and user profile) got me blocked, here are the links: and What with CF1's truce, it's probably safe to unblock him - which would actually fix this autoblock. :)

Departure from this wiki[]

Hey. I just wanted to infom you that I'll no longer be active on this wiki, not that I'm no longer a fan of Supernatural. You can still contact me on Lostpedia, House of Night wiki (just started editing there), and Vampire Diaries wiki, though. - TWISH

TWISH leaving[]

Hey, do you think you could fuck (excuse the language) TWISH for me? >:) Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but I'm pissed at her. She already blocked me on the House of Night wiki for vandalism and attacking (wtf?)... -- Cloisfan1

I'm pissed at her, and I've never been that good at controlling my temper. Frankly, I don't wanna know if she's a sysop on Lostpedia. So I just went on the House of Night wiki - she gave you the links on Lostpedia - and ranted and then things turned ugly from there. You can see my talk page to see the rest of our little dispute. How did she even become a sysop on the House of Night wiki anyway, just wondering? But that doesn't matter; I hacked into her account and unblocked myself. I probably should not have said that lol.

Here's a footnote: I hear that TWISH is actually a lesbian. Can you believe that? And her username is TomWellingishot! Hehe!


Your little girl friend came over to apartment a few minutes ago, screaming at me to stop harrassing her on the internet.I will but ONLY if you tell OJOLara to leave the wiki. It's either Me and OJOLara go, or I'll stay here with you.

{C}with love- Sharona.


I know TWISH told you about my wiki, but please, can I do anything to make her forgive me?


why do you think that michael and lilith are alphas

I think no because they must be related to eve.

this is also true but they also must be the creator of the others I think.

I didnt want to have a war with you comrade.

Your Question Adminship[]

About the adminship I don't know how, but I have seen some articles about it. You probably could read up on it on community WIkia. Also you have been here longer than I have, I just have A LOT of edits lol. As for the admin part, I think its more about keeping the site organized and clean than knowing a lot about the show (that does help though). But if you feel up to it, go for it. I wish you all the best luck. Mr.Comatose 22:17, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

thanks comrade

Then I apologize about it. Although, I think you should add more content to the page besides just stating who has it. The same for the rest of the pages. Its great that your creating all these pages for powers, but I think they should have a little more content. I'll try to add some myself, but this is my opinion. No hard feelings? Mr.Comatose 23:28, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Not a jerk[]

You Jerk! Why the hell did you block me?! I'm your friend!OJOLara 21:57, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

sorry.OJOLara 22:07, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm STILL blocked!OJOLara 22:15, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sharona called and told me what she need to talk about. Please unblock my IP adress as now i can assur she will never bother us agaiun. She's on our side now. :). Now please unblock me!OJOLara 22:34, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Just a head's up[]

I just thought I'd let you know that I've made my final decision whether to return to this wiki. My decision is... -drumroll- I've officially returned! --TWISH 03:10, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't Offended[]

I didn't know what was happening. I was going to talk to about the osris page, but when you said it was private I realized I should leave and let you guys talk. No there really was no hard feelings. Mr.Comatose 02:31, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


Hi ImperiexSeed. Regarding your request for adminship, I can see the commitment and you have fairly-sustained periods of editing, although I have to check, what is your understanding of admin tools and would you know how to use them? Thanks. Calebchiam Talk 02:56, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then. You can now do the following:
  • Edit and move fully protected pages
  • Delete, restore, and view deleted revisions of pages and images
  • Protect pages from edits, moves, or creation by non-sysops
  • Block and unblock users and IP addresses and ranges
  • Edit the interface pages in the MediaWiki: namespace
  • View Special:Unwatchedpages
Although policies haven't been properly established in this Wiki, seeing as you already have experience as a sysop on another Wiki, I assume you'll know the basics (use the tools responsibly, don't use them to settle an edit-dispute, no power-abuse, basic conduct, etc). If you have any questions, just ask. Calebchiam Talk 04:30, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

God's omnipotence[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I noticed your edit on God's page about him probably being more powerful than Death and I respectfully have to say your opinion is irrelevant on the page. Don't get me wrong, but I firmly believe we should exclude all speculation to the pages themselves in order for this wiki to be 100 % accurate. As I said to you before on your blog,I fully agree that nothing is more powerful than God, but we have to assume that Death could be an exception. As you know Death told Dean that he will reap God too in the end. Personally, I am skeptical God will eventually die for obivous reasons, however I must accept the possibility that Death's power over life and death may even surpass God until proven otherwise. I hope you can understand. 20:36, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, I'm not even sure it's a real word that can describe what you're saying. Secondly, Death did say he would eventually reap God, so I'm not sure the latter would fit into this definition. With that, there's only Death left, but I'm not sure "amortality" is that big an aspect of Supernatural to be worth mentioning. It could simply be put in the Death article. As such, I am..decidedly neutral on this, it's up to you, although I wouldn't make the article myself. Other editors can dispute the content if they wish to. Calebchiam Talk 06:14, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

The Doctor Gaines Page[]

I am thankful you are doing so many great changes to the wikia, but I believe this one can be remedied. I know that Annie was first, which means she can get her own page. And if you could return the Dr. Gaines page back to what it was if possible. Thank you in advance. Mr.Comatose 23:44, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Here it is. First an example. Castiel possesses Jimmy Novak. Are they the same person? No. They both have their own pages. The fact is Annie was little girl who got possessed by a Leviathan and then got an idea to become a doctor. Thus her own person. Dr. Gaines was human before the Leviathan turned into him. He was treating Jody Mills when he was killed, and taken over. Different person, but same creature. Plus Annie no longer exists since she changed into Dr. Gaines. So if you think about it, Dr. Gaines is the one who remained, so therefore the page is still his. To further prove my point, Lucifer has possessed Nick and Sam, but they all have their own page. Same goes for Michael. He possessed John Winchester, and Adam, and they all have their own pages, because they all are different people. Thank you for your time. Mr.Comatose 00:15, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

This is pointless. We both believe right when either one of us could be (plus you have more power than I do). So just forget about it and leave it alone please. I won't say anymore, if you won't. Its just one of those kind of days.

Mr.Comatose 01:43, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Its okay. Its just been one of those days where it seems like everything angers you. Plus that I created that page a while back (last month). We always seem to get into these kind of arguments. Sorry about that. Mr.Comatose 01:57, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You for your adivce. Mr.Comatose 22:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Need you help on something[]

I think you have noticed that Sam and Dean's pages are getting quite full and the scroll bar is getting smaller. So I was thinking if there was a way to create a hide but re-show the notable appearances area. This way it gives the page more room (not to mention the template won't show up on random page), actually thats pretty much it. But I have no idea to create this. It would have to be collapsible and a template. This would only apply to Sam, and Dean (possibly Bobby and Castiel). What do you think? Thanks.

Mr.Comatose 22:09, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hey so I created an example of what I think we use. It doesn't collapse just yet, but I'm hoping we can figure out how to get it to work. This template will only go onto Sam and Dean's pages, and maybe Bobby's and Castiel's as well. Just need your opinion. If you don't like it, I won't do it otherwise I'll begin working on it. It would be a big help if you would find out to make it collapsible. Thanks for your help. Mr.Comatose 16:59, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Official meeting[]

Since we haven't really met yet, whaddya say you meet me on chat? :) --Love and Lust 00:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm on chat now! --Love and Lust 10:52, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Season Seven, Time For A Wedding[]

This is the proper title. It appears onscreen. -- Noneofyourbusiness 22:18, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Would you like to browse episodes with a map?[]

Hi, I'm a member of Wikia's Community Support Team, and we think Supernatural would be the perfect wiki to test out a new feature. I've described the whole thing over here and would love your input. Thanks! --Dopp WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 22:00, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Good to hear -- let me know what you come up with! --Dopp WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 23:01, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I personally find this feature a great addition to our Wiki. I think we should give it a try! So, I wanted to know what you think about it. Maybe we should try getting the opinion of Wiki editors before taking a decision? What do you think? Let me know! // Hallichester // 09:39, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Title of Episode 7.08[]

Hi. I just want to point out that the title "Season Seven, Time for a Wedding" appears in letters in the episode itself onscreen after the teaser, so it is definitely the correct title, not a typo. (It means 'it's Season 7, let's have a wedding!'). -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:33, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Checking in[]

Yeah, it's been a while. Anyways, I've just been spending time with my family and just chillin' out. What 'bout you? (: --Love and Lust 03:28, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Heads up![]

Hello. I thought I would just inform you that on your archangel vs. Leviathan blog, an anonymous user called another user a faggot. I already told him it was quite unnecessary and whatnot but I think he should be blocked or at least be given a warning. --Love and Lust 21:48, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

No problem. :) Ever since what happened with TomWellingishot, I've been on the look-out for trolls. Can't be too careful, but that's just me. --Love and Lust 18:23, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


I thought I would talk to you, before I did any editing, couldn't it have been an unintended ability, or the fact she didn't belive any of her children would turn on her mother, or the fact that up until samual colt came into the picture with his, kill anything gun, nothing could kill a phenonix, and as such she didn't belive there would be pheonix ashes (I personally prefer the last one, as I think it would fit her personaliy if she purpously created it, to mock hunters and others, by there is a way to kill me, but there's no way for you to do it.)? What do you think?General MGD 109 23:56, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

First, thanks for welcoming me, and second, I see your point, it was just an idea I had, of course this does created the question, if the mother of all monster didn't create it, then who or what created the pheonix. General MGD 109 00:24, January 3, 2012 (UTC)


Hello, its me again, a while back I posted two questions about adding Content to War's page, but no one's replied, so I was wondering if you could have a look at it, and see if you could give me the answer, what do you say? General MGD 109 21:55, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

About your offer[]

I wouldn't mind, but truthly I'm not fully clear what an admin does, so before I say any more, could you either give me some information, or tell me where I can go for it, if you can, than thank you, if you can't, thank you for the offer.General MGD 109 18:16, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

I as you didn't give me a reply, can I take it that your offer has been withdrawn? If it has, then thank you any way for the offer. General MGD 109 21:41, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks, and take your time, if your to busy at the moment I can wait, I'm not going anywhere soon. General MGD 109 18:20, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


Hello, its me again, following several editing conflicts, I have to ask whats your, and as such this wiki's, opion on speculation, not wild speculation, just simple speculation, like in a few of my last edits, as such it would be a great help if you could tell me. General MGD 109 14:31, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

This Twilight Despair 5. I have a few questions.

  1. One is it possible I can become an admin. Normally yes I would have to be asked but that policy is not the same per wikia site. I ask as I rewatch every episode several times in the same day they are shown, to figure out questions. Also I don't add sepeculation to any site. I use the Salutes to Supernatural which are cast and crew stated facts.
  2. I know about the sepeculation policy. However trivia sections can be like that. I mean for certain character the trivia adds sepeculation to from what real world religion theories something is from. Like with Eve and Lilith's origins. Sorry with the grammer but at least my edits to pages are 90% of the time completely grammer correct.: The Twilight of Your Despair 18:00, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Its me, again, thanks for telling, me, I completely understand, no speculation whats so ever. General MGD 109 21:45, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Very important[]

Okay, thanks for asking me, truthfully I far as I know, being able to create rain and storms falls under control of the weather, and the sky, rather than the water, but now I think about it, its is possible, and this page I'm looking at (it came up on a search) surgests so, so I say go for it, and here's the address of the page if you want to look ( General MGD 109 21:53, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


Question to help with the site. Can the Magic site be used to describe all the magics the supernatural creatures, spirits, demons, deities, angels etc use. I thought that yes demons and witches often use magic or the word to describe their powers the most. But what the professor said to Dean in 1.11 Scarecrow. PROFESSOR: Well, Pagans believed all sorts of things were infused with magic. Also Gabriel called Kali blood power a blood spell. Pagan or deity magic. Also Castiel many times states stuff like from 5.10 Abandon All Hope CASTIEL I followed him. It's not far, but—it's layered in Enochian warding magic. Enochian or Angelic Magic. Like I hope this helps to improve the article. Not that is not ok but Magic is a genertic term normally referring to all kinds of magic, normal, angelic, divine, demonic, fairy etc.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:14, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

That is correct. Just offering a chance to help with the site. I remember a few days ago someone an none admin kept putting delete tags on stuff. So I thought Magic could be the page well all directly stated magical powers and spells are used and by whom. But either or is fine. Btw I don't think you saw it is possible if I make the requirements to be an admin. Grammer and Spelling are made more precise on articles just talk page I feel. Unless you need to be formal just make the point.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:24, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Its not rush. Just I do a lot of of Fanon wikia site editing. You know fanfictions but I do like to make edits to my favorite show(s) wikia sites too.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:38, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I seem to be made that alot. Lol. Anyway Thanks and I will continue when and if you ever want to be a full admin with complete right just drop me a dime. Also quess what if they make it to a eighth season one of the ideas they are thinking of is to intruduce two more types of characters. I read in a salute spoilier they will be called Nature and Chaos.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:46, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Things the colt can't kill[]

Following your edit to the colt page, I found something I disagreed with, but before I changed it, I thought it would be best to ask you about it, so here goes, for things the colt can't kill you've put The four archangels and jesse turner, I must say I disagree with all of those.

Firstly he said things, rather than beings, impling that there are five types of cearture appart from him, that can't be killed by it, and the archangels are all the same sort of being,

Second I don't recall it ever being started Jesse turner couldn't be killed, he was just so powerful that they never got a chance to kill him, as castiel tried, and he transformed him into a doll, to proctect himself, that implies he could be killed, just he was to powerful to let it happen.

Finally, I always took it that the five things, that couldn't be killed were the Archangels, the horsemen, god, eve and the pagan gods (after all surely they would have used it against them when they had the chance, rather than going to all the trouble of finding a ancient ritual to kill them.)

Although that last one is just my ideas, I think my two points stand, what do you think? General MGD 109 22:14, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay maybe its only higher pagan gods like, osiris, fate, chronos ect, but I do agree that if he did mean types of beings, the archangels are included, however I'm still sceptitcal towards it meaning beings, rather than type of beings, after all we both agree that it would include the other archangels, then why would he refer to his own brothers as things?

Also to defend my additions, the horsemen can't be killed by anything, (save maybe deaths scythe) after all if they could, surely they would have tried it,

If Eve could die at the hands of the colt, then why did they go to all the trouble of traveling back in time for the phenonix ashes?

And how can god, who is the only being more powerful than death, and completely imortal and ominipitant, not be imune to the colt?

On a final point, regarding Jesse, I defend my orginal opinion, that he can be killed, only he's so powerful that the oppertunity to kill him never prensents its self, after all if he was completely indestructable, than surely Casteil wouldn't have tried to kill him,

What do you think? General MGD 109 22:47, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

As that part of the article has been removed, can I take it are discusion is over? General MGD 109 19:52, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay if you want to continue the disscusion, fine by me, although it will haft, to be tommorow, as I've got to go know, but first heres my point,

We both agree that god, the archangels, and the four horsemen wouldn't die if shot by the colt, that still leaves three places (there are five things, and as lucifer is an archangel, he can't be counted seperatly), now we both agree that the higher Pagan gods, couldn't die if hit by the colt, personally I defend my orginal sugestions, as in comparison to other lower pagan gods, (mercury, the catrigens) they are quite powerful.

Now I still think eve would be immune to the colt, just because the only thing that kills her, is killed by it, doesn't neccesarily mean it would kill her, the series seems to have a sort of all have certain strengths and weaknesses rule, after all higher faries, aren't more powerful than angels, but he could save sam's soul when an angel couldn't.

And finally for Jesse, I still think its along the lines, he can be killed, but he's so powerful he would kill them before they had a chance to kill him, to create an illusion, a bazooca can destroy a tank, but a tank could destroy and entire platoon before they had the chance to load.

I'll have to wait till tomorrow to here your reply, but those are my points. General MGD 109 21:19, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

I already have, its the one above this one. General MGD 109 18:32, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

As I got know reply, does that mean this discusion has finally ended? General MGD 109 19:42, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah your right, it is probaly time to end it, still it was interesting while it lasted, any way what do you think about my point below this one? General MGD 109 19:51, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


I was wondering, should it be noted on Chronos's page that his power over time travel is greater than angels, when angels travel through time, it weakens, or atleas affects them, but doing so had no effect on him, the first time, he ran off the moment he arrived, the second he continued his fight without evening pausing. What do you think?General MGD 109 19:46, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

In need of a abitrator[]

Hello, for past few days, me and another editor have been in a sort of edit war, over a piece of information on Famine's page, and as its clear, we will never convince the other of being right, we've decided to put are arguments forward to you, and let you decide which one is right.

The question is, should the fact famine can effect the lights, be included under telekinesis or not?

Here is my argument, first I would like to point out, that we know from the episode that he does possess telekinesis, as seen in the demon devouring scene, and later at the end, secondly, the lights reacted to his mood, when he got angry they started to flicker and fail, then later broke all together, presumably also by his doing. Thirdly you have already agreed that this does not apply for electrokinesis, and I agree with you, now that I've had some time to think about it, so from this I have to conclude, as they react to his thoughts and moods, and it does not count as electrokinesis, it has to be telekinesis, after all isn't the definition of telekinesis "to make objects move, deform, float or break, by though, emotion or will."

Well that's my argument, my opentents is beneath, as such if you wouldn't mind reading them, and tell us which one of us you agree with. General MGD 109 12:59, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm confused[]

Sorry, I'm confused, what do you mean, with your last message? I've already relised I was wrong to think it was electrokinesis, after all he only showed control over the machinery, not the electricity in the machinery. General MGD 109 21:42, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks, so do you agree with me or my opponent, over wether or not it should be included in the telekinesis section? General MGD 109 21:56, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, glad that matter, is finally cleared up. General MGD 109 22:09, January 21, 2012 (UTC)


I'm curious, shouldn't there be some mention or link to changelings on the fairy page?General MGD 109 00:45, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Does it count?[]

Does creating something, out of nothing, count as reality warping? General MGD 109 21:50, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Pestilence and Eve, General MGD 109 22:07, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well he could create, any form of illness and aliment out of nothing, I assumed both of them would fall under, minor reality warping, what do you think? General MGD 109 22:17, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, just asking, General MGD 109 22:26, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Response to your message[]

On the contrary, you indeed disregarded me whether it was intentional or not as you unfairly issued a ruling before I was given an opprotunity to submit my own argument.

Thank you for the comment! I hope I can be any help to the Supernatural Wiki for editing! --Flamekit Of BlogClan 14:56, June 23, 2014 (UTC)Jessica

My opinion[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I sincerely appericate your interest in my opinion despite the settlement of the dispute. To began, I want to clarify that I have no hard feelings toward you as I do not believe your disregard was intentional. After rewatching the scene in "My Bloody Valentine" General MGD 109 refered to, I noticed the lights went out momentarily as Famine began infecting people in the diner. As such, I believe it was no more than a brief reacton to the magnitude of his power to influence hunger. Do not get me wrong, I am no way arguing against Famine is capable of telekinetically effecting electrical equipment by either thought or emotion, I just doubt that is the case for the scene in question. What are you thoughts? 03:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, at least when Famine was infecting the people in the diner. My belief is his influence affected the lights similarly to a shock wave.. 07:32, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Admin help[]

This is posted for its talkpage

The official transprict on the Super-wiki version of this site. is spelled Chronos not Cronos. Credits can be wrong. That site uses direct transpricts. However or not its spelled like that if the series uses that form we as an information site should do the same.:

That site uses directs transpricts of the character official names. So please affirm that just if the credits missed spelled it its spelled. Chronos not Cronos hell in even early Greek Mythology their are two things with similar names. Chronos the presonalifiction of time and Cronus or whatever its called a Titain.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:59, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I came to you rather than the other user that keeps changing it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:59, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Its not a very important issue but if users can call the article itself what they want than people might stop adding to site.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:58, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Will state that official to on its talk page as an admin. After all the Supernatural Super-wiki buys exact copies of the episodes transcripts so they have a list of all names. Just as we are an information site we have to uphear to the standards that even if its not right until the show changes it we cannot. Than we are taking owner ship away from the cast and crew.: The Twilight of Your Despair 23:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

i wouldve been on this wikia a long time ago, i happened to be messed onto another supernatural wikia that had no account users, i love spn and have seen every season and own the anime series even, although im not the biggest fan of s7(one of the main reasons, they killed off my favorite angel)

NiklausElijahEricGodric2011 19:41, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Need for a page[]

I was thinking, there should be a page, for the ability to control/influence others, as several charaters have had this ability, but I can't think what to call it, and I was wondering if you had any ideas? General MGD 109 22:03, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

No I didn't mean like that, I ment more like mental sugestion, Famine could make anyone hungry, or act out there deepest desires, The seven deadly sins could make people act out on of there sins, those two special children, whose names escape me at the moment, could force anyone to do anything by word, I mean like that, none of those people where possesed or telekineticall controled, more mental influence. General MGD 109 21:55, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Souls[]

ImperiexSeed said: "True, but stabbing an angel in the Grace kills it, therefore it must have some importance in the angel's anatomy"

Now you're just making stuff up.

1. It's never explained where angel's Grace resides inside its body, or if it's in a single spot at all.

2. At no point is it said that an angel must be "stabbed in its Grace" to kill it, nor has it ever been said that the Grace can be stabbed at all. Anna said it was just pure energy. That's it.

3. Angels have been killed by being stabbed all over the place--Uriel in his neck, Cass has stabbed several angels in the back and chest, Lucifer more or less gutted Gabriel, and Zachariah had a blade rammed up into his brain--so if the Grace does reside in a single spot inside an angel's body, then there's no correlation between "stabbing an angel's Grace" and killing it. The wound from the angel blade just has to be fatal, like with demons and the Big-Time Magic Knife.

4. The Soul page is about souls, and it has been made clear that angels do not possess souls, so that stuff about Raphael corrupting an angel's soul has no business on that page.

5. Raphael doesn't even have to ability to corrupt an angel's soul/heart/Grace. I would like to know exactly when/where its explained that Raphael can take over an angel's will and make them his slave. 'Cause if that were possible, there never would have been a war in Heaven because Raphael could have just made all the angels do what he wanted--but that's not how it went down. Plus Anna, Uriel and Castiel were all able to disobey, and were each severely punished for it, and that was even with Michael running the ship.

I know this might seem petty, but I also love this show very much and I am committed to making sure the information on the Supernatural Wikia is accurate, and I'm telling you that the stuff on that page is wrong.

(Also, I'm sorry if this isn't the right venue for this kind of discussion. If it's not, please let me know where the right one is. I didn't want start a war or whatever, so I brought the things I had to say here.)

Damaijin 21:37, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Cass was lying when he said Raphael corrupted Rachel. She turned on Cass, but not the cause. She found out about his deal with Crowley and tried to stop him when he refused to give up on the Purgatory plan. He probably told Bobby she was corrupted to keep them off of Crowley's trail or to keep himself in a good light (or both).

If Raphael were to have corrupted an angel, it probably would have been through conventional means like intimidation, lying, persuasion or appealing to greed. I don't think Archangels have a special ability that can do that.

Thanks, -- Damaijin 21:25, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Astra projection[]

Should there be a page on astral projection? After all it is a power, several beings have been shown to posses. What do you think? General MGD 109 23:03, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well dean and Sam use it in that episode where Alister kidnaps the Reapers, and the psycic alie of theres could perform it, but I can't think of any one elses, are they enought? General MGD 109 23:26, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

RE: My absence[]

I've been rather busy lately, but I'm fine. I've just been doing some major work on The Twilight Saga Wiki and April Showers Wiki, the latter needing major construction. --Love and Lust 23:06, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Response to your changes to the Invulernability page[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, your stubbornness is understandable and I thank you for adrsssing my concerns on the Invulnerability page. However, I disaprove of your changes because you basically moved the vulnerability details from "Characters with this ability" to a sperate heading as such it does not look very well written. To clearify, I was fine with the parantheses, I just felt they should detail both the extent of a character's invulnerablity and thier weaknesses much like the Invulnerability page on the Smallville Wiki. In my opinion the page still needs improvement and expansion, but that can be done over time. I look forward to your response. 23:45, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hi ..i wanted to talk about your strength article on your page. I noticed you have leviathans under angels. That is incorrect. I guess the debate is that leviathanS are stronger as a group. It should be listed as a single Leviathan. since numbers usually dont contradict the scale(only exceptians being demons against angels, and leviathanS against angels). Winchester7314 01:47, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for listening, but i thought i might mention the group of demons that took down the angels in 6x22. Winchester7314 03:00, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I am referring to the scene in which Dean and Bobby are watching the lab that cas is at(after betraying crowley), and they hear a big booming noise, which ends up being a large group of demon smoke, which flips the Impala with Dean and Bobby inside it. They then seige the lab, killing all the "dozen angels" Bobby mentioned seeing. As proof heres a clip unfortunately the part is in two different parts lol... Dean and Bobby part [1] Demons sieging [2]

Please don't take me the wrong way, im not tryin to argue like a lil b****, im just explaining my thoughts(just so you not getin frustrated :P) but what i thought was when cas is looking at the papers, you hear punching and screaming, and obviously no angels are coming to cas's rescue so your left to assume that the demons killed them. but i guess they couldve mearly disabled them or sent them back to heaven(as quoted by Alastair). So i guess its up for debate. Winchester7314 16:18, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


Should the leviathans really be classed as invunrable? Invunrable means can not be harmed or injured, they by injured, as easy as well human, they just can't be harmed, no that's not right, they can still be harmed, after all that one who took a car hitting him, was knocked out cold by it, so they can be harmed, just not killed or badly harmed, after all, they can cut, shot, stabbed or beaten as easy as a human, they just take significant force to harm them in any way, and can't be killed. General MGD 109 21:06, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


I was wondering, after Samhain locks the students in the crypt, and raises the zombies to kill them, do you think the tombs shaking, was the zombies inside, or was it Samhain, shaking there containers lose so they could escape? After all, I know Zombies (at least in the supernatural) are strong, but don't recall anyone being that strong, there's also the fact, that despite all the tombs shaking, only a few zombies break out, what do you think? I was wondering, as if it was Samhain, then it means he has telekinesis, and it should be included on his page. General MGD 109 22:58, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

So I can add telekinesis on his page, thanks. I was wondering, what do you think to my above question? General MGD 109 00:36, February 11, 2012 (UTC)


Great, and I completely agree with that, I was also wondering if you minded if I made another Catagory, one for higher tier demons, what do think? General MGD 109 21:47, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree, I think Lilith, Alister, Samhain and possibly crowley, the seven deadly sins and Achei would also fall under that catagory, what do think? General MGD 109 21:52, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks, but I'm unsure about cutting out the seven deadly sins, I admit there is more than one of them, but there still very powerful demons, and very high up, so I think that they should be added to the catagory. General MGD 109 22:14, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, your right, after all there powerful, but as weak as normal demons, well I seem to have a problem, I've added the catagory to five pages, but the catagory's page only recond three of them, could look into this and see if theres a problem, please? General MGD 109 22:24, February 11, 2012 (UTC)


Sorry about leaving like that. My internet just flipped out on me.. --Love and Lust 18:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

My internet connection just crapped out on me. Again. --Love and Lust 18:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, my internet connection officially sucks. --Love and Lust 18:42, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I know right? Anyway, I unfortunately don't have a Facebook. I've been thinking about getting an account, though. --Love and Lust 18:47, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Believe what you want, Ray. And no, my avatar isn't of me. It's of Kate Middleton. --Love and Lust 18:52, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry; you were seriously getting on my bad side, which btw doesn't take much work to do. Just a head's up for future reference. Xoxo, --Love and Lust 19:00, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Well, you had me under the impression that you thought I was a lying, scheming manipulative little bitch which is anything but true, so yes, you were pissing me off. --Love and Lust 19:06, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it was about the Facebook thing. Now, you can talk to me but for future reference, please tread with caution with what you say to me. --Love and Lust 19:08, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, here's the deal. Until I get a Facebook, being friends on Wikia will have to do. That's all I'm saying. --Love and Lust 19:14, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's fine, just forget it happened. Believe me, I want to be friends too. You just struck a major nerve when you said you didn't believe me, that's all. --Love and Lust 19:25, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I just wanted to let you know that a user recently removed all content from the Dean Winchester, Sam Winchester, Castiel, Bobby Singer, Azazel and Mary Winchester pages. Another user and I undid the vandalism but as you are an admin, I thought I should let you know. 07:30, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. As you are the most active admin on this wiki, rest asure I will report directly to you whenever I see any major vandalism. 20:18, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I've got it[]

you remeber you asking me, if I thought that you had covered and made a page for every power that appears more than once in the series, and I said I couldn't think of anything, well something eventually came to me, what about Technopathy, the ability to manipulate technology, after all you wouldn't allow that to be mentioned on electrolysis, because you (quite rightly) said that it didn't have much to do with generating or manipulating electricity, so why not create a page for it? What do you say. Ps: I like your idea for a blog. General MGD 109 22:17, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Okay what about, Famine, able to cause lights to flicker, Crowley able to turn of bobby's tv by pointe, Azazel who could make clocks stop, and electrical devices go haywire, ghosts who can also manipulate electronic devices, but mostly lights, Chronos, who could control devices that measured time (this might be down to manipulating time itself, but I guess both are equal speculation) do you want me to continue, even discounting angels, a lot of creatures seem to be able to manipulate technology. General MGD 109 22:30, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

To continue, well admitadly it is more to do with machines, by the definition of Technopathy is "to manipulate or cause electrical device's to break," and If your going to put it down to telekinesis, to argue, I would like to state, that all Pyrokinesis, Terrakinesis, electrokinesis and moleculekinesis are, are advanced forms of telekinesis, but they each have a page, and I also think atleast a few of my examples, are warent its existance, still the choice is yours, if you honestly belive that it doesn't exist, in the supernatural universe, or it isn't worth a page, I'll stop putting it forward. General MGD 109 22:43, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

O dear no, it doesn't, if I gave you any indication that your dissision annoyed or offended me any way, then I am deeply sorry, that was not my intent, I was just try to put across my argument. And sure if you think it doesn't exist then it doesn't, until, like you said, a new charater proves other wise. General MGD 109 22:49, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Okay if I think of any, your be the first person I tell. General MGD 109 22:55, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Me? Holding a grudge?[]

I'm not holding a grudge, ImperiexSeed, I swear. I've just had a lot on my plate lately (and no, I don't want to talk about it) And to be honest, I really don't want to get into an argument about this with you, okay? Thanks. --Love and Lust 00:55, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Pitch for Episode Page revamps[]

I've noticed a lot of episode pages with really, really extensive summary sections, some of which could be considered word-for-word narratives. With permission, I'd like to begin creating episode transcript pages and transferring these summaries there, and then start rewriting more condensed summaries for the episode pages themselves.

1. Summaries that long are unnecessary (not that they aren't nice to have); you don't need that kind of detail to convey the meat of the story.
2. The way they're written, with character dialogues being back-to-back, makes for some awkward reading.
3. Transferring the long summaries elsewhere lowers the data size of the page, resulting in both faster loading times all around and increased accessibility for Wikia Mobile users. (It'll make it easier on their data plans, too.)

Let me know? Thanks,

Damaijin 01:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

No, I haven't discussed it with other admins, but if you could let me know who others are, I will. (You're the only admin I know of on this Wikia.)

Damaijin 04:11, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

The main character of Supernatural[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I have a question for you. In your opinion, which Winchester brother is the main character of Supernatural. Personally, I think it's Dean for a number of reasons. 03:09, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to my question, ImperiexSeed. Although you and I have a difference in opinions on who is the more prominent brother, I do not disagree with you as both our reasonings are probably well-founded. On a side note, one reason why I would consider Sam as the main character over Dean is his connection to the two catalysts of Supernatural, Azazel and Lucifer. 03:58, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Our fight[]

I'm ready to talk about what happened. I probably won't be online to chat by the time you get this, but I'm sorry for lashing out at you the way I did. It's just been a very, oh-so very stressful week for me and I had no right to take it out on you and for that, I'm sorry. Please, reply as soon as possible. --Love and Lust 04:50, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

intersting idea[]

Interesting idea, yeah that wouldn't be a bad catagory, but it needs a better name, sadly I can't think of one. General MGD 109 18:07, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Since you asked for my opinion, I don't think its a good idea. But you have your mind set on it go for it. But keep in mind that this is a very wide by narrow category. Doesn't everything eat at a point? So in short, I don't think its good idea. Mr.Comatose 18:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Still think its not something to create. Mr.Comatose 18:51, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Confusion over the Hunger-based catagory[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I am confused by the Hunger-based catagory as I find it's current state too vague. Although I am in favor of the catagory, I must point out hunger would apply to the existence of nearly every being/creature in Supernatural. Is there anyway we can retool the catagory to be more suspefic? If not, than I relunctantly have to agree with Mr. Comatose thar it is not a good idea. 21:38, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I understand why you created the Hunger-based catagory, but as I already said it's current sate is far too vague and could easily be misinterpreted for hunger in general. I ask you again is there anyway we can retool the catagory to be more suspefic (e.g how a being/creature's demeanor revolves around hunger)? 01:48, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

For starters, I believe General MGD 109 is correct about the catagory needing a better name. Personally, I suggest "feeding" as an alternative name as that may be more explicit. As to the catagory itself, let me get back to you on that, as I want to conduct some research to devise a solution. However, I would at least describe the demeanor of the Leviathans' hunger/feeding as canabalistic. 06:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Background's skin.[]

IS, Out of curiosity, I've taken a small tour of this wiki - and had a hard-ish time in reading the text against the background skin. In part, I think, it was due to being white text against a, mostly, gray background, in part because there was too much distraction from the background pic. May I suggest that at least the text area be completely black? It would make for a *much* improved reading experience. Of course, the lateral areas can be anything you like. Best, MinorStoop 22:05, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I finally got one[]

I finally came up with an idea, what about Chronokinesis, the abbility to manipulate time, after all a lot of creatures can do that, Reapers, Atropos, Chronos, Angels, Archangels. What do you think? General MGD 109 20:45, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't mean as in traveling through time, I ment as in manipulating time, Reapers, Atropos and Chronos can all manipulate time, and stop it. General MGD 109 19:06, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay good point. General MGD 109 20:14, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


I know several things about the concepts of designing, evil creatures, Wikia and high English, therefore I wish to aid with the website. Yet, my help is limited being just a guest, even with an account. So, if it not much of a bother, I would like to become an admin and maximize the potential this website has.

All the best,

Kratos Jr.

just a question[]

Here, if we can't have a page, called technokinesis, can I atleast add it to the pages, with charaters who do?General MGD 109 21:04, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

hey boss can you please eliminate this page as Mr.Comatose told me that only admins can do that, the reason is that this is a duplicated page. The real one was confused with the page of a guy named Kurt that appeared in Heart. And by that i mean that Glen's information was in Kurt's page and we don't even have the page of that guy. Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore 00:37, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Fair point.General MGD 109 19:06, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


I'm writting to question the article being called rocksalt, after all, although rocksalt is prefrable, several times they use ordinary salt for the same purpose, and it seems almost as effective. Could you change it please? General MGD 109 20:58, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Dean and Death Page[]

I hadn't thought about that. Its interesting concept the relationship between Dean and Death. Hmmmmmm, well it does span three seasons. You know what go for it. I'll help with the content along the way. Good idea. Mr.Comatose 03:05, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


I don't intend to rush anything, but has the desicion been made? I am quite curious about the issue. Kratos Jr. 16:49, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

An explanation and my apologies[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I just wanted to explain that my removal of the photo on the Chuck Shurley page was an honest misunderstanding. In my impulsiveness, I mistook the page for God's when I saw your edit on the Wiki Activity, assuming you had readded it to his page. As soon as I realized my mistake, I added the photo back to Chuck's page. I sincerely apologize for getting on your nerves, I'll be sure be more careful to look before I leap from now on. On a side note, there is no need to be so antagontistic towards me as I am not your enemy nor were my intentions malicious. 23:35, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Fully agreed., ImperiexSeed.. 01:43, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

My response to your inquiry on my Supernatural favorites[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I will have to give it some thought, so I will get back to you. In the meantime, do you mind telling me what are your Supernatural favorites? 09:07, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay now I've got one[]

What about dream walking? After angels, archangels, sephirs, and higher demons can appear in peoples dreams and manipulate them, does that deserve a page?

Ps: you don't mind me including the chronokinesis on the time travel page do you? I figured you were right and it was to similiar for a seperate page, so I added the information at the bottem of that page.

Should we have dream walking as a page?[]

Okay deal, I'll ask everyone what they think, and to tell you. General MGD 109 19:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, so will you add it? I mean I know that no one replied here, but one person did reply on my page, you can check if you like, and they liked the idea, and you said if the majority liked it, you would add it, so what do you say? After all we do have much less broad pages. General MGD 109 20:51, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'll keep asking them. General MGD 109 22:16, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, and sure if people don't want it, get rid of it, and your right, you would think they would atleast reply, even if they don't agree. Again thanks. General MGD 109 22:35, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Seraphs and the Seraphim[]

I am not asking for you to delete or create any articles. But in supernatural as of now there are three orders or forms of angels. Archangels, Angels, and Cherubs from greatest to lowest. Now for Angels is the collective term for all kinds of angels that aren't of the four original Archangels or Cherubs which calls them a lower class of Angel third class." Now mostly there are several different kinds of angels but Seraphs like Zachariach are Seraphs, but they are addressed first as an angel in the umbrella term Angel. Now as to why he is stronger than Castiel that simply he is a Seraph but he isn't not comparible to an Archangel and he was in an separate rank than Castiel, a higher one. Inshort this is what I mean.

1 Archangels


3. Angels

4. Cherubs

This is misleading.

It should be like this


2. Angels ( As Zachariah is a Seraph based off his appearance he still is in this collective term for he is not an Archangel or a Cherub.)


If an official source states that Seraphs have a separate class than I will be happy to change it. : The Twilight of Your Despair 01:15, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Meet on the chat?: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:19, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


Meet me on the chat?: The Twilight of Your Despair 00:04, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I walking talking not protected areas I was talking about being limited to only remaining on Earth like Demons. Angels can go anywhere that is not protect by Enochian warding magic. Hence them going to Heaven and Hell. Also Anna clearly stated that to Castiel remark that Satan would just revive Sam that she would scatter his cells across the universe.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:16, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering[]

I was wondering, do you think Azazels ability to cause internal bleeding, and make blood pour out of a persons mouth, as well as create obvious physical pain, would that count as moleculkinesis? General MGD 109 20:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Near the end of devils trap, where he's torturing dean, before he kills him. General MGD 109 18:42, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Recent Wiki Activity[]

He there Imperiex. You probably remember me from the Smallville wikis, and I was just wondering, do you think you could install an Auto-Update for the Recent Wiki Activity? If you don't know what I mean, you can look at the Elder Scrolls wiki. XV DEaD ShOT xV 23:29, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

But they're supernatural WyattVisit   18:40,3/3/2012 

They talk about holy land in season 1 WyattVisit   20:06,3/3/2012 

I't does need to be added because its talked about in season 1 about ghosts and demons not being able to enter if youre going to delete it tell me why you have a page on salt? yet there both used for the same thing WyattVisit   20:13,3/3/2012 


Sandwich? Sorry, no I don't remeber any reality warping sandwich in Adventures in Babysitting, Could you please discribe it? And are you sure you have the right episode? Adventures in Babysitting, is the one directly after bobbys death, when Sam goes off to save another hunter from, the Snakewomen monsters, but get captured, so Dean and the Hunters daugther, have to go save them. General MGD 109 21:17, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh that sandwich, and truthly I don't think that would class as reality warping, it was more like chemical mutation, it didn't change anything through power, it simply mutated the people who ated, making them out of it, and greedy, and gain weigth quickly, there are drugs now that can do all that, and they don't count as reality warping, admitadly the whole changing some people into zombies, is strange, but thats more of a unforseen reaction, than a manipulation reality, so sorry, I don't think it would count.General MGD 109 21:36, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I don't mind, and it wasn't that stupid, on to the coin thats different, that deffienly should be included, as it could clearly manipulate reality, after all it made a woman fall madly in love, a teddy bear come to life, a man win the lottery, and lightining strike sam. Also can I make a surgesstion, what about the rabbits foot? Shouldn't that also be included, as it manipulated reality and made its holder, incredibly lucky. General MGD 109 21:47, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Pardon for the interruption, but I just wanted to point out the Tiamant Coin's power to make any wish come true would also classify as Wish Granting. 22:00, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

To whoever wrote the point above this one, wish granting would also count as manipulating reality, so both statements are true, any way to you, I can't think of any of the top of my head, give me a while. General MGD 109 22:06, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

After looking over, I still can't think of anything, except maybe, splitting some of them, between charaters and races. General MGD 109 22:29, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

No that would be daft, I ment, splitting it into caratories, one for races that posses the power, one for inderviduals who posses this power, but atleast the majorit of there race doesn't. General MGD 109 22:41, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, personally, I always found it confusing, to have its say charaters then list races, next to actual charaters, but it was only a suggestion, if you don't like it, you don't have to add it. General MGD 109 22:52, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, sure there should, and secondly, as to what it should be called, I'm afraid the best I can come up with is Disease Manipulation. General MGD 109 23:18, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


My wifi when out for like 40 minutes but I am on the chat now.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:58, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Unless your busy I will be on the chat and my new router is better than my old one.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:42, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

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Response to your message[]

No, I was not suggesting the creation of a Wish Granting page, I just thought we should acknowledge the Tiamat Coin manipulates reality in the form of granting wishes. I checked your edit on the Reality Warping page and you have my approval. 06:22, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


Hey Imperiex, just wanted to make sure that you knew that Smallville Season 11 is legit. You probably already know, but the Smallville Series is continuing on in Comic book form! Here's the link. XV DEaD ShOT xV 18:51, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

How is death alive he is DEATH he aint deaceased but he pretty much dead WyattVisit   21:29,3/5/2012 

A few questions[]

Okay I have a few things I would like to ask you, firstly I was wondering if you would agree with me that Azazel's power to cause clocks to stop with his presence would count as Chronokinesis, becuse in the show the ability to do this comes from disrupting the flow of time, as done by reapers and Chronos, so what do you think?

Secondly, Do you think Mental Manipulation (the ability to erase memories, implant false ones and restore removed ones) counts as telepathy, Mind control or diserves a page of its own?

Thirdly I had an idea for a page, what about Healing? The ability to heal a mortal, of any wound, Angels, Crossroads Demons (through deals), Azazel, Archangels and Reapers (by giving it to someone else) can do this, and you said, if I had any idea's for a power page to tell you.

Fourthly, following the previous point what about Death touch, the ability to kill by touch, Reapers, Death, Micheal, certain ghosts and that special child who's name escapes me could all kill a being by touch, so do you think that qualifys for a power page?

Fifthly, Why is the Eve page locked? It means it can't be added to.

Finally, Following are previous discutions, on candidates for a Aliments affinty page, do you think Reapers would count? As they can take a persons illness and give it to another. Also certian ghosts can infect others with illness. Can they be counted?

What do you think? General MGD 109 19:31, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'll do those things, but I can't do it today, as I'm busy, but just to note, although for my first question, I agree with you, I would like to point out, Reapers can do that, and Azazel showed he could causily overpower reapers. General MGD 109 17:32, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

What I think[]

Well I'm afraid I have to agree with them, I mean there good pages on there own, but so far we haven't seen a enemy who posses them, just posses a form of weather mainpulation, I mean if they had thought some one like the god of the sea, or the god of the air, then they would definatly stand, but as they haven't then I have to agree, there uneeded, still there always a chance, they will fight them later, so don't despair. General MGD 109 20:34, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well I ment, if they thought someone like Posidon, the greek god of the sea, who could control the waves and the ocean, or Shu the Egyptian god of the air, but I was simply using them to back up my point. General MGD 109 20:46, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Its my other account OA

Was Gabriel banished or did he fall? WyattVisit   17:06,3/10/2012 


Well If you say they shouldn't be there, I'm not going to argue with you, but it does say inhabitants, and all of them live on the earth. General MGD 109 19:41, March 10, 2012 (UTC)


Well I'm Unsure if thats nesesary, but okay, there's cows, who Azazel always killed a lot of when he visited, Rats and Spiders, and cats, of the top of my head I can't think of any others who have appeared, but if I do, I'll let you know, No wait, Elephants. Okay now I'll think about it. General MGD 109 21:45, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said, I'm not going to argue with you over it, I just simply personally don't see the need for it, that's all. General MGD 109 22:04, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Location Template[]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, yeah you should go for that. General MGD 109 22:16, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't actually know how to create a template, so I can't do it. General MGD 109 22:27, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Tell me more about this idea. and what you want me to do to help Castiel harvelle 23:25, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Just read your message, i found this template i think this is what you asked Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore 23:29, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

If you asking what I think you ask I don't know how to fix Template Codex Codes. Btw won't pagan gods be under rulers and inhabitants. As most pagan deities don't hold authority like God or his Angels. As Lucifer stated they forfited the planet to them long ago. So they would more former rulers than current ones. Also minus any unheard of special realm don't pagan gods live or at least stay mostly on the Earth as Angels live in Heaven, demons in Hells and fairies in avalon. As the only heard of pagan realm was when Odin and Zao Shen were arguing he said that he would send him back to Valhalla. But your call. Btw not to show rude but you did kind of forcefully told to me change something. While I am not Chat Moderator I am not offical admin.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:15, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


Why's Zachariah's page now locked? I tried to make some additions to your redo of his powers, but it wouldn't let me, could you unlock it? If you can't could you atleast make some additions, there are many powers he has that you don't mention, superstrength, Moleculkinesis, Teleportation, Dreamwalking, Healing and reserection. General MGD 109 21:33, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it looks a lot better, theres still a few things missing, but compared to its old look, its a hundered times better, sorry I didn't change it, I intended to, but I kept putting it off, and I guess now I can't do it, sorry you had to. Anyway about your question, I agree its unlike they have superspeed, I mean sure its stated a human could never match a angel in knife combat, but I think they were refering to strength and agilty, I can think of several instances were if they had, they would have used it, off the top of my head, so no I don't think they do. General MGD 109 21:35, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


hey boss, i checked the page and that gallery you eliminated works fine on the appearences section, can i add the gallery on that section? Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore 17:05, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Main villains[]

Hello, ImperiexSeed. You could delete the category "Main Villains" in Zachariah's article? - David Kaique

First thanks for fixing my edits on the big bad page, just have a few things, firstly could you re add Zachariah's picture, as he is the secondary agonist of the season. Secondly, are you sure Death shouldn't be included, granted he was doing it unwillingly, but he is still one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, and he was responsible for the events in three episodes, thats more than two of the other horsemen.

My final point, is are you sure Lucifer shouldn't be classed as Season Seven's Secondary Agonist, granted he only attacks Sam, and as far as we know he is simply a hullicination, but he has still been torturing Sam the whole season, and now sam can't do anything about it, he has also been the secondary agononist in "Meet the new boss" "Hello cruel word" "Repo man" and "Out with the old" (not seen but he caused Sam to break into that state)" as well as being the (as far as I know) main agonist in the upcoming episode "The born again identity", and being mentioned in "How to win friends and influence monsters"

Just a few things, please get back to me soon. General MGD 109 19:21, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


Wanna meet me there? --Love and Lust 21:35, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


Hey, I had another idea, what about super senses? After many monster posses supersenses, Vampires, Werewolfs, Skinwalkers, Eve, Corrata ect. So how about does that qualify? General MGD 109 20:49, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, just as I thought it, I also thought it could be split into catagories for each sense, for example Vampires have enhanced vision, so much so that light hurts them, skinwalkers have enhanced hearing, werewolfs have enhanced sense of smell. What do you think? By the way if you agree, do you want to make the page, or have me do it? General MGD 109 19:28, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I don't have long, but I've made some additions to the page, its not exactly what I had in mind, but it looks great, thanks again for including my idea, by the way, I'm sorry about including nothing for Leshi, I couldn't think of an example, also would you mind if I included Death, he was able to hear dean attempting to to sneak up on him in "Two Minutes to Midnight" would that quallify, or is that to much like speculation? Still again thanks. General MGD 109 17:50, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Good point, it propably wasn't his senses, and to your question, its mostly like what I imagined but for the examples I imagened it something like this:

Vampire - An overall, all-around manner, and therefore likely the most attuned creatures; with their hearing, eyesight, and smell are all enhanced to extreme levels.

  • Hearing - There hearing is good enough to hear a persons heart,
  • Sight - There eyesight so sensitive, that even normal light blindess them,
  • Smell - There sense of smell, able to track others over miles.

Of course this is only if there is specific examples, well what do you think? I don't mind if you don't change it, as I like it the way it is aswell, I am writing this simply because you asked. General MGD 109 19:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


Hey there has been major vandalism to the Sam Winchester page. I don't how much is missing, but I removed all the inappropriate content. Could you do something about the missing images and the people destroying this page? Thanks.

Mr.Comatose 03:30, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly think that a new method should be used for editing...since its' wikia, we cant do away with the right of everyone to edit, but i think all edits by non-admins such as myself, should be approved by admins. Winchester7314 23:30, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

not a bad idea[]

I don't think its a bad idea of yours merging the two, after all they are quite similiar, although I would also suggest, possibly adding it to the same page, but under a different heading, like with the mind control page and the time travel page.

on another note, I'm going to be away for a few days, so I may not be able to add, so don't be surprised if my activity drops a lot till friday. General MGD 109 22:40, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

YI'm back[]

Hi I'm back, and I've heard about your modification, and I have to say its a great idea, Biokinesis, why didn't I think of that? Still atlast you have merged the two topics. Great Idea, I'll help out as much as I can.

Now there are a few other things, firstly I'm unsure about having Zachariah on reality warping, the evidence, sounds more like telekinesis/molecukesis and healing than reality warping. And Crowley on conjuring, isn't drop a castle on you just an expression, and a threat, rather than a sign of conjuring? Still, just some ideas.

On a final note, I've just heard, that after supernatural ends, there making a prequeal about samual colt, and his life as a hunter, I was wondering what do you think about that idea? General MGD 109 20:40, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's a rumor. and either way, i dont think they would do something like that, it's too small a part of supernatural. Winchester7314 21:59, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry two things I forgot, you've removed the colt as a possible weakness on the reaper page, on the grounds it couldn't hit the reaper which is intangable, but I always thought they were only intangable when they wanted to be the rest of the time they were just invisble, the reaper in Faith had no trouble touching the people, nor did Alister have any trouble touching the reaper in Death takes a holiday, and Azazel possesed a reaper the same way he possesed humans in My time of dying, all of which suggests they are tangable.

The second thing is, the Wraith page powers, needs altering to the sight standards, now I would normally do it myself, but I never actually saw the episode where the wraith appeared in, so I don't actually now any more than the page says, and all the text only mentions on power, so I was hoping you would be able to do it. General MGD 109 22:21, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Okay if you say so, its just not what I think of when I think of reality warping, but hey your the admin, your word is final, well as as to the Wraith page, if you look at it, its entilely text, much like the ruby or zachariah page was, and I thought it should be changed to match all the other pages, but I never actually saw the episode, so I can't do it.

any way, about the other things, your probably right, although I'm still not sure about the reaper bit. If you have the time, will join me on chat, its easily to talk that way, atleast it is when its working. General MGD 109 21:02, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I was thinking, you know how on the monster page, the list is organised into monsters and stronger monsters, well I was thinking, what about adding other headings to seperate them, based on there strength what do you think?General MGD 109 18:39, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, it just strikes me, there are some monsters that are notably stronger than others, but not as strong as the highest monsters so I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to seperate them. General MGD 109 19:29, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

This may take me a while. General MGD 109 19:41, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes that sounds good, but I actually have it as Four catagories, Higher-tier, Middle-tier, Normal-tier and Lower-tier, and I'm in the middle of ranking them now, I worked out a scoring system based on the monsters strength, other powers, durability, and how hard it is to kill them, I should be finished soon. General MGD 109 19:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it took me longer than I thought it would, but I'm finished now, and I'm just about to add it, tell me what you think. General MGD 109 20:43, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I'm on chat, sorry I'm a bit late. General MGD 109 19:58, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Wrong page. General MGD 109 20:02, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Castiel needs cleaning[]

I just thought I'd mention to someone... any mod or admin, that the page needs some attention. Tagging it for cleanup would be good. Right now there's lots of redundancies. I'm not sure if there's false information also, but I changed what I saw. Apparently someone thought Castiel really did become God, even though we know very well he didn't, he just mutated himself. People do edit as they get info, but they should remember to keep opinions out of it. Otherwise, no one will take this wikia seriously!

Vashtari 06:47, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Monster reclass[]

Hello, I'm writing on two things, first I've been thinking, I may have made a mistake with the Siren's classification, after all it is a pretty strong monster, it is the only monster that posses mind control (other than eve) and it can only be killed, by someone under her spell, so what do you say, do you think it qualifys for it to be moved up a level.

The second thing, is this suposed plot about to more archangels, I'm just surprised, I mean that can't be true right? how can there be any more archangels? I mean I know in the lore there are up to seven archangels depending on who's law your reading, but surely if they did exist they would have played some role in the series by now right? And if Raphael really had two other archangels on his side, why didn't he whipe the floor with the oppersistion.

The Archangels are the most powerful type of creatures in the universe, only death and God are stronger than them, with one possible, unlikely but possible exception, and thats the four horseman, now before you say anything, about the four horsemen being a lot weaker, let me give my explination, I have a theory why the there is such a gap int powers of the first horseman (death) and the other three,

my theory is, at one point they all had much closer levels of power, but in the moden world, were famine is no longer so much of a problem, and less go hungry, where there are cures or treatments or vaccinations for most diseases and viruses, and where there are a lot of anti war groups and spirit (that last one maybe where my argument falls appart) they can't draw the nessary energy to maintain there powers, where as there are now more deaths than before (as the population is signifgantly higher) as such death does not have this problem.

Any way back to the point, how can they fight two archangels? Surely there far to powerful? What do you say? General MGD 109 18:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah okay, I'll give it a look. General MGD 109 20:09, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Supernatural RP[]

Hi i was just wondering if you were at all interested in a Supernatural RP wiki. If not that's fine but I was just wondering. It hasn't been made so I don't think it counts as advertising. But please let me know with a reply if you would be so kind. Il lupo deve morire,per una propagazione della luce attraverso 14:30, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


Want to chat?: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:41, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Chat time?: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:39, April 20, 2012 (UTC)


Wikia user keeps putting things on Michael and Death's page. Saying that Death is only possibly stronger than Michael or that Michael could challenge him. While, it may not for 100% directly stated that Death is more powerful. He state many quotes that suggestion in a none secuplation that he is far more powerful than well anything minus God. Compares Dean to a pathogen, staying that the Flood, hurricanes and raising the dead that Lucifer made him do wasn't anything, that he was more powerful than Dean could process. He took Sam's Soul from the Cage in second and seemed like he wasn't affected in a battle between Lucifer and Michael. Also, while its still up to Debate he was going to kill Godsteil whom at least fall into the same class as Michael and Lucifer with a touch. Also, this time I have a source Eric Kriple in Supernatural: The Official Companion Season 5 Official Companion (non-fiction), paperback book states out of the series. That Death is as powerful as he calls himself.: The Twilight of Your Despair 16:24, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

On the clay[]

I just want to ask, what do you think the clay that the levithans were searching for is? There have been a lot of theories, some say its a weapon that can kill the levithans, but then why search for it? Why not leave it hidden, if it takes months for a man as rich and powerful as dick roman to find it, then how did he expect the few hunters who knew his races existance to find it? And the rest of humanity would be to stupid to look, plus no one other than them knew its existance.

Others have said it is the clay god used to create man, but Dick states he had it a long time ago, and the levithans were locked up before man was created, so theres no chance he could possibly have had it.

Others still have said, it is the clay that god crafted the levithans themselfs from, and without it they can't reproduce, but why would you create a race that can't repopulate on your own? And there are already hundreds of levithans, surely creating more would just mean food being used up quicker, so how is creating more a good idea?

Even more have said its a prophacy that only Kevin could read, but if the levithans are older than man, then there older than prophets, so why write a prophecy, for a species that doesn't even exist yet? Surely God could do it later, and if it is about the Levithans why give it to them?

So now I've picked holes in all the theory's I want to know, what do you think? General MGD 109 22:06, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Here can you join me on chat, I want to ask you a few things. General MGD 109 18:15, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, can you join me on chat, that is if your still here. General MGD 109 20:14, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering how do you create a poll blog, because I would like to create on to put this Phoenix monster or not thing to bed, as I have now been completely convinced it is, but I can't change it based on my own opoin, it needs the majority to agree, so could you tell me how to do it please.

By the way Its nice to see you again, I was starting to wonder what had happened to you, when we get the time, we have to talk. General MGD 109 19:44, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

looks like I missed you today, I'll try again again tommorrow. General MGD 109 22:26, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I knew it. *hides face*[]

I feel like a weirdo, trying to talk to you here. Then again, you're more active here than on my home Wiki, and I'm more active there than I am here. Are you mad at me? Be honest. Because I honestly haven't seen you mad at me before. I really miss talking to you, whether you believe it or not. Reply soon (here, there, anywhere), TeamTaycob 02:07, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

whos stronger than death god or jesus christ? Micheal1720 23:27, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

yeah and if you think (im just saying) if you think jesus can be killed by jesse your mistaken im not saying you are just saying if you might one day not to be mean or rude and stuff anyways he cant because basicly theres differeneces between the two jesse aka anti-christ and jesus jesus christ get the differentece? im just saying my opinion thats all buddy. Micheal1720 23:47, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

No, nothing. Why?

And (I'd have to rewatch the episode to be 100% sure, but I'm fairly certain) Azazel made that comment after Dean said that he was from the future, and Azazel noted "there's only one thing I can think of with that kind of juice (or "....that can swing that" One or the other)". KevinTheDestoryer 23:48, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I can do that. Give me about an hour.

Just a trivial matter[]

Hi, just a trivial matter, I was wondering if you had seen my knew blog, the one on opion's of monsters, I was wondering what you thought of it? General MGD 109 18:56, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

A few things[]

Hi, we need to talk, and not just about the last episode or the future, when your on, lets. But there are other things, firstly I think we should do away with the higher beings and deties catagory, and replace it with two catagories, HIgher beings, and and Deties.

I mean, there is to big a variation, some Deties are strong, some are quite weak, angels are stronger than certain gods, and yet they don't fall under the catagory, heck some demons, some monsters are stronger than the weakest gods, and yet they also don't fall under the catagory.

There is just to wide a range, wouldn't it make more sense to have one catagory for Pagan Deities and one for Higher beings (Perhaphs with the highest, like Eve and Atropos falling under both) what do you think? And we still need to talk. General MGD 109 23:24, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Good News[]

I'm back much sooner than expected. We can continue your Jihad against unproffesionalism on the Wikia whenever you like. KevinTheDestoryer 19:20, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Dude. I have a job. By the time I got home, you were offline. Sorry. I probably won't be online much this weekend at all. It would be much simpler if we set a time for, say, Monday morning ish.


How are doing Riex? OJOLara

Want to talk, I have a few things to chat about. General MGD 109 19:30, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I work. Every night. Until Wednesday night....I should be free nearly all day wednesday. Does that work for you?

Much Obliged *tips Jack Daniels cowboy hat* I have been following this page for yonks and left a couple of anon posts so I figured I'd sign up and share :)

Hi! Remember me, huh? :)

Yo :) Ollraider 13:24, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Whatwould you like to talk to me about?

Me mad at you? No I'm not mad at you, and i'm sorry if I gave that opion, its just I seem to keep missing you, thats why I haven't said anything in I while, as you wouldn't have been there at the time to get it. Sorry again, I ment to reply, but I was a bit busy, so I didn't jave time, then I sort of just kept puttin it off, and when I intended to do it yestarday I was unable, becasue I had a tornoment. Any way I'm here now. General MGD 109 19:16, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

And sorry about not acknowleding sooner, you see I'm writing a page, and I was so busy searching for sources, I guess I didn't notice the box telling me I had a knew message. General MGD 109 19:21, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering if you except my explaination or not. General MGD 109 21:13, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I do mean it, and really? I've only added on pages that fall under what is stated on the catorgory, signs, tools, paticipants and the event itself. Would you join me on chat? General MGD 109 21:25, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, all done, except Death and the four horseman page, as both are locked, so could you do those please? Any way, I hope you like it, but I have to go now, so I guess I'll have to wait to hear what you think. General MGD 109 23:26, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hello, if your still here, would you join me on chat, I want to go over the monster page. General MGD 109 20:33, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I missed you yestarday, can we talk today? Its only one thing, it won't take long. General MGD 109 18:35, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry[]

Don't worry, that you made a mistake, there is nothing wrong with that, I've got a near photographic memory, I have an uncle who has a true photographic memory, and we both still make mistakes from time to time, even if you haveo a eratic memory, then you would still make mistakes from time to time, its just part of being human, we all have to make mistakes, where not perfect, its are strive for perfection that makes life worth living.

So you made one mistake, so what, you've still created or atleast added greatly to most of the best pages on this wiki, you've solved many of the greatest problems on this wiki. If you were incapable you wouldn't be admin, and if you feel your so bad at it, then I guess your have to quit and pass your job to someone else, but truthful I feel your making a mountain the size of mount olympus out of mole hill. General MGD 109 20:05, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

I have answered, its above this statement. General MGD 109 20:11, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, on the big bad page why put castiel as a villain? i mean i realise he is an antagonist in a sense but he's still an allie of sam and dean. and if he does qualify as a villain, why not let michael have a place as one as he also justifies his wrong actions with good intentions and is one of sam and deans most formidable recurring enemies? i just feel that if cas is considered a villain then so should michael as he is equally as powerful, arrogant and though he's just obeying his father, hes still willing to kill his brothers even when they surrender, just to prove himself a good son. 11:33, June 10, 2012 (UTC)wikicontributor.


Your right about the Phoenix, I guess I got a bit carried away adding catagories. On another note, it occurs to me, that the Monster page, needs a picture to be added to it, or even an information section, like on every other page, well I was wondering, what picture do you think should be added? General MGD 109 18:36, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Good idea, I'll see what I can find, by the way, I also like your pack leaders idea. General MGD 109 18:49, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Monster families?[]

I was wondering, for monster groups, do you count monster families? As several monsters have been known to live with families (Djinn, Changelings and kitsune) So do they count, or are groups strickly none family? General MGD 109 20:26, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

No you misunderstand me, I don't mean are they related, I ment, do monsters which live and/or work/hunt with there families count as monsters who live in groups? General MGD 109 17:35, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so your most recent change says that Death needed his ring plus the other 3 just to open Lucifer's Cage. There has been no indication that he needed the rings or that he even had the other 3 rings in his possession. As far as we know Dean still has the rings and he figured Death alone was strong enough to jailbreak it without the rings.

Some Help[]

hey boss, this is normally not my stile but as i have spent about 2 hours working on it, could you help me on this one? Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore 23:09, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the thing i've been trying to rename this page to the one that is used on the series (The Colt) cause i think it i'll be the right thing, but when i try to rename it i get this message:

The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or ask an administrator to help you with the move.
Please do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.

Season 8 Banner HD[]

Hi, since ur an admin i thought i might come to you with this. I recently thought to myself how much cooler that banner would look if only it wasn't so small and pixelated...then it occured to me that the bg looked familiar and i realized i had it as a wallpaper in 1920x1080, so I made an HD banner for season 8. I made one set then realized an error(after i uploaded them here stupidly) so i updated them, also adding shades with red eyes(purgatory creatures). So iv'e changed the banner on the season 8 page, but cant change the homepage one since im not an admin. Would you do it? the best ones to do are the blue or orange ones. ignore the banners without red eyed creatures, since they have a few issues and graphicall inconcistincies. Winchester7314 01:15, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

It has been a while lol, Thanks, what I was wondering was if you could change the banner on the homepage slide, since it's the pixelated one. If you could that'd be great, i can't since im not an admin. Winchester7314 01:26, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I must have missed something[]

Sorry I must have missed something, what have I accepted?

Any way, what do you mean your not the proper person to ask? Your the Admin, you added the topic, and you very knowledgable on the show, after all your third occupation is being right. So whats your answer, do they count or not?

And if you insist on saying you shouldn't be asked, then who should I ask? General MGD 109 19:19, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Do monsters, that live and hunt with there family, count as monsters who live in groups? Thats what I want to know.

And I still don't know what I have accepted. General MGD 109 18:08, June 21, 2012 (UTC)


First off, this is not a bitch out message or anything of that nature so don't think that. But besides, being very busy selling houses I stopped coming here. First, off I keep seeing speculation on articles like Castiel when he was aka Godstiel and things like Omnipotence. I am not saying you put any, just saying I keep seeing it. Like with Castiel, regardless and neither you or I can confirm whom was stronger Godstiel or Michael I at least make it sound possible either way. Like you keep saying he said he needed to keep Michael and or Lucifer in the cage (btw I keep rewatching that episode and I keep hearing AND WE NEED TO KEEP MICHAEL AND LUCIFER"S CAGE, not Michael in Lucifer. I guees with Misha's voice it sounds like in and not and.) But Castiel said he would do away with Hell a spiritual world/realm/plane. Even Michael couldn't or wouldn't to me more likely didn't destroy Hell to get to Lucifer, while Castiel said he could just destroy it. And if the theories are true spiritual worlds like Heaven, Hell, Purgatory etc are worlds without end meaning can hold endless amounts of whatever or can go on forever or both. Like their mini universe on to themselves really. But I still leave up to that its possible any of the Archangels could have done this.

It's mostly the same, on Omnipotence. I hate others use the smallest or one word or piece of evidence to justify their religions beliefs about Michael, Lucifer, Death, God etc and call it fact. If the series writes wanted at a latter date for Death to be killable as an example, than despite our own view should just write the articles as its shown in the series or in published confirmed places like books or in interviews, and not find ways to jusify our own bias views and if your a person your bias thats just a fact of life even I am bias in opinion like anyone. And no that wasn't a passive shot at you just a generalization. I keep my own catholic view out of my work. All, I am saying is that before you rewrite anything I write or just agree with someone else just cause their view is similar or the same to yours. Remember that I RARELY ever use opinion on things like who would win or lose in a fight, origins, powers and how they used etc.

P.S. I thought something about Demons. Is it POSSIBLE that some demons can read minds of any human and some can only read minds if their like possessing someone. Like in Repo Man, when Jeremy brought the demon back and it took another vessal. He like either read his mind or at least parts of his soul for any evil or murdeous intent.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:38, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

P.S.S. I am NOT bitching at you I just think as head admin you should be the one I tell this too and not some other user. Just you should know by now I at least try my best to make anything I edit as bias free as possible, while other all but say, umm this show is based of Judeo-Christian belief so Death being as Old or older than God or able to reap him in ANYWAY is false so lets just say he is wrong. That stuff makes me not want to come here. This is an information wikia not a fanfiction wikia.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:38, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes finally someone who agrees wit me, i hate it when people try to add their "personal beliefs or fanfic" Winchester7314 01:56, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, I mean both the transcript and when I watch the episode I hear Michael and Lucifer's cage not in Lucifer's cage. Also, my whole point was that Castiel with the souls may or may not be stronger than Michael. Yes, that quote regardless of the in or and part could imply fear. But he said right before that he could do away with Hell entirely an entire spiritual realm. Now that could mean, destroy and its possible the Archangels could destroy it too or abandon it like an old building, who knows. My point its until their is some 100% proof evidence and I mean real evidence can we agree to not directly write that he was stronger or weaker than them. Also under P.S my theory on demons telepathy?: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:49, June 21, 2012 (UTC)


Seriously, just stop it. This is not funny. Not in the least bit. I know you're pissed off that I keep making modifications to your edits, but guess what? I make modifications to other people's edits too and they don't throw temper tantrums. So STOP IT. NOW. -- MisterRandom2 19:38, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

How can we help with Soul Reading if its locked? OriginalVisit   20:13,6/22/2012  -- OriginalVisit   20:13,6/22/2012  20:13, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Will it the lock be lifted or, could you not block him for like an hour or 5 minuets till its finished? OriginalVisit   20:19,6/22/2012 

Soul reading[]

Thats, quite funny what you put on the Soul Reading Page; as i ........ dont know how to write properly; LMAO OriginalVisit   20:39,6/22/2012 

Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeaaaaaaaaah. Real funny. -- MisterRandom2 20:49, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
I thought it was too OriginalVisit   20:50,6/22/2012 
You do realize that this is little more than just being a bully? -- MisterRandom2 20:59, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
It's not bullying and it would be fine if you'd Leave THE Bloody page alone! OriginalVisit   21:01,6/22/2012 
Yeah it is. It's deliberately singling a person out by name and leaving a taunting message. It IS bullying. And it is NOT cool. -- MisterRandom2 21:05, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
You're not cool but OriginalVisit   21:17,6/22/2012 

Idea Do tell[]

Will do OriginalVisit   20:59,6/22/2012 

Thank you[]

I'm glad we've managed to work out our differences. Let's put all this ugly business behind us for good. I really like this site, and enjoy coming here. And I do actually think you've done a good job running this place. Thank you. -- MisterRandom2 23:50, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Who is the oldest angel?[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I am confused on whether Micheal or Metatron is the oldest angel. According to Castiel, Metatron wrote the Word of God while creation was being formed. In addition, Lucifer stated the Colt can not kill five things in all of creation which me gave the impression the archangels were in turn part of creation. So does that not mean Meratron is older than Micheal as he seems to have existed prior to creation? I would really appreciate if you could clear up my confusion. 21:42, June 23, 2012 (UTC)


Hey, You seem to have a account on here i was woundering how i could get an account here Could you please help,I couldn't seem to find the Sign up button i found the login one but i don't have an account could you link me to where i can sign up Thanks, OriginalVisit  23:18,6/23/2012 

Could you or not? OriginalVisit  19:03,6/24/2012 

Re:Bureaucrat rights request[]

Hey ImperiexSeed, since you have shown sustained involvement and have proven responsible in your use of admin tools, I am willing to grant this request. There isn't a system for selecting administrators/bureaucrats on this Wiki yet, so this means you will have to exercise judgment in sysopping other users. Please do not give someone administrator rights simply because you enjoy their company, you are good friends with them, etc. Ensure that they are the sort who have shown a genuine interest in helping the Wiki and not for ulterior motives.

The tools are not meant to be freely given out, because a user with the wrong intentions could do a lot of damage to the Wiki with them. That being said, they should be readily given to those who can be trusted. If you are willing to abide by the above, simply state as such on my talkpage, and I will grant the rights to your account. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Cheers. :) Calebchiam Talk 10:08, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, that was a bit hasty on my part. I know I've hardly been around here much, heck, I was only made bureaucrat because of my work on other Wikis and because I knew how Wikis are meant to function (policies, community, and all). I have taken a gander through the logs and some talkpages, and I see some incidences of edit-warring, using your status to lord over other users, using blocking for personal vendettas, etc. (Blocking for such a blog comment is overkill.) Please remember that the Wiki is a collaborative work, and the opinions of all editors are equal. You may be an admin, but that does not give you the ultimate say on all matters on the Wiki. A regular user like MisterRandom2 has as much say as you do. You were given the tools to protect and help the Wiki, not to rule it. At this point of time, you still seem to need some more time to get used to your role as a sysop, so I will refrain from giving you bureaucrat rights for now (you may request for them in the future, if you feel that you are ready), especially since the tools are even more dangerous than sysop tools if used for the wrong intentions. As for the user you were hoping to promote, do direct me to him, and I will grant him the tools if he seems trustworthy. Thanks. Calebchiam Talk 10:25, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
Bureaucrat rights are not for you to demand. If you have proven trustworthy, you will be trusted with them but in no way are they earned by your hard work.
A few points:
  • I gave you your admin rights, not Thesilentpoethosea. I also don't see what procedure you are referring to. You requested them from me here.
  • I don't have much to say about your issues with MisterRandom2 and I don't care for any of this blame-shifting. As far as I can see, both of you may have been at fault, but that does not excuse your behaviour in any way.
  • I never said 2 years, but it does not matter. Bureaucrat rights are not a reward for your hard work, the Wiki only trusts a user with tools if they have proven trustworthy so that they can help the Wiki to a greater extent. It is not for you to demand them belligerently, and I would expect a sysop of this community to behave better than this.
  • If I was not mistaken, you asked for the tools so that a trustworthy user could be granted admin rights. This is for the greater good of the community, not for you alone. So I am wondering why you refuse to provide his username? Nevertheless, I am sure he/she will contact me if he sees a need to, so suit yourself.
So no, I will not grant you bureaucrat rights for now, although maybe in the near future. (Please do not rudely demand for them again.) Let's be mature about this, thanks. Calebchiam Talk 05:58, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I'm back[]

Ok, things have definitely settled down a bit. I'm glad we've managed to resolve our problems. Let's keep it that way, alright? -- MisterRandom2 22:38, July 1, 2012 (UTC)


Hey there! I'm SoA, and me and a few friends were thinking of making a Supernatural Roleplay wiki, based on the TV show, Supernatural. In order for us to get more of a userbase, would you mind affiliating with us?

Sonofapollo 17:33, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

About my blog[]

Can I ask you a question about my most recent blog? Its just no one has commeted on it, and I want to know why, is it to long and people just don't want to read all that? Or is that no is simply interested? I would like to know, as I spent a long time on it, trying to decide which was stronger. Well what do you think? General MGD 109 23:21, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, it was difficult, all I new was who was going to be number one, and who was going to number twenty five, and I had to reorganise the places of several a few times, O well, maybe someone else will find it interesting. General MGD 109 23:30, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Smallville Wiki[]

Hi, I can't help you with your request because I'm not an admin at the Smallville Wiki. If you want to become an admin there, you should submit an adoption request at Wikia central, provided the Wiki meets the necessary criteria. Thanks. Calebchiam Talk 02:26, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

What is your understanding of the bureaucrat role? Calebchiam Talk 03:11, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
And what tools do bureaucrat rights entail? Calebchiam Talk 03:37, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know why you want to get bureaucrat rights if you don't even know what the tools entail. You seem to want to be a bureaucrat for the sake of being a bureaucrat. Is it for the status? Calebchiam Talk 03:51, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
If you don't know what it's about, I don't see any point in granting bureaucrat rights to you. Calebchiam Talk 04:03, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
If you want to be immature and make things personal, suit yourself. I only seek what is best for the Wiki, and clearly, I made the right decision in not granting you bureaucrat rights. Calebchiam Talk 04:11, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
I never said I would make MisterRandom2 a bureaucrat if he asked. He could ask me right now, and I would say no. If you actually understood the role of a bureaucrat, perhaps you'd understand why. If you are editing here hoping that one day you'll become a bureaucrat, I advise you to leave. Becoming a bureaucrat is not a reward, not something you're entitled to. You may never become a bureaucrat in your time here. If you're editing for the good of the Wiki, then so be it, this should not matter to you. If you're editing for the sake of becoming a bureaucrat, then perhaps this should shed some light on the matter. Calebchiam Talk 07:08, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hello, on the page about Death, it says nothing can kill him, however while in the wiki it says his scythe can harm him, in the show it says that the scythe can kill anything including death himself.

Also, it says on the God page that Chuck was never wrong as Death was, I have to watch the episodes over again (the monster at the end of this book and swan song) but I am pretty sure that while chuck is not wrong in what he says, his vision is not correct.

Last thing, thank you for the welcome to the site. I am not here to argue with anyone, I just like accurate information about this awesome show. DFsupernaturalfanned 01:26, July 21, 2012 (UTC) DFsupernaturalfanned

Crowley's powers[]

I need your ruling, do you think that Crowley's abbility to make Bobby's contract appear written on his body, is an example of biokinesis or Reality warping? General MGD 109 (talk) 20:56, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thank you, so what should I put it under? Soul Binding? Or simply not include it, as it falls under the catagory of making a deal with a demon? General MGD 109 (talk) 21:18, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks for seteling that. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:27, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Status and opinion-weight[]

Hello. I think you will benefit from reading this. Calebchiam Talk 11:08, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

I have a problem[]

There seems to be a fault with my computer, it won't let me into chat, I'm going to restart it to see if that fixes the problem, Just give me a minute. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:56, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

It still won't let me in, and I've restarted my computer twice now, I'm sorry but I don't know whats wrong, I'm running a full system scan now, but it will be a few hours till its completed, I'm sorry, but I can't get on to chat, can I help you in any way off chat? General MGD 109 (talk) 19:17, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I've just added it, I hope it helps. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:43, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Any other way[]

Hello, I want to show you something, Privately, but chats still not working for me, is there any other way, to share information privately? Because I would like you to see this, but no one else. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:02, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thank you, do want to know what its about before I send it? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:02, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, just give me a minute, to compose the email, the file will be attached with it. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:15, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay its sent, did you get it? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:24, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, do you want me to convert it to something else and send that to you? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:53, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Big Bad Extension[]

Hello, I had an idea, how to extend the Big Bad page, you remeber a few months ago, I complained that the demons were listed, as they are a species and the list is for individuals, well I was wondering if we could extend it so it includes the race that is the main villain for the season, as well as the actual main villains, after all at the moment it has the main villain and the secondary villain, I propose we add another catagory. What do you think? Oh and have you got round to reading my email yet? General MGD 109 (talk) 21:06, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Need help[]

Hi, i was not aware that i had not made a user name, i thought i had typed it in when signing up. how do i make one?

also just so you know i hold full respect to the wiki admins and do not want to argue, im just adding points that in my logic are appropriate, as i like to think on these matters alot, but i cannot accept any admins suggestions over my own based on thier status.

Do you want to talk?[]

Do you want to talk again? or are you still angry? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:41, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Great to hear it, I hate it when we get into arguments, I'm definatly excited, this looks to be a good season, not that I didn't like the last one, although I sort of feel it wasn't exploited to its full potential, but heck Dean and Cass are trapped in purgetory, Crowley now has a prophet of lord as his prisoner, and Sam's all alone, I can't wait to watch, hopefully it will be like season four again, in the sense that it more than made up for the lackings of the previous season. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:28, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, i have added to God, Samhain, Witches, and Seraphs, but my username is indigo rider but it does not display as such and you asking me to create a user name, but ur link just gets me to log in and i cant create a username

Related Videos Module[]

Hi, my name is Nic and I'm a member of the Wikia Content Development Team. As you may have seen on many wikis such as Call of Duty, there is a new module for the right hand column that displays related videos to the Wiki. This is a new feature that we want to place on your wiki, would you be cool with allowing this? The module can be seen on any page, here is an example - Wagnike2 (talk) 20:38, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Where in Salute to Supernatural Vancouver 2010 andSalute to Supernatural New Jersey 2010

did they state that paga gods didn't gain power from worship and why they are normally beyond demons ?SHONENHIKADA (talk) 11:34, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kali can destroy the Universe[]

So some one was saying Salute to supernatural in Vancouver 2010, and New Jersey 2010 mention something about the pagan gods and how their not 100% accurately portrayed as they are in myth. Yet many fans on the show state that she is 100% accurately portrayed on the show, and how she gets her powers from worship. they also go on to state then that Kali can destroy the unverse, and is able to destroy all of creation with her scream, as she is stated to do so in her scriptures. Can you shed some light on this.


Here do you want to meet on chat? General MGD 109 (talk) 19:13, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Its not really important, How about I tell you tomorrow? General MGD 109 (talk) 19:37, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


I think your been a little unfair I don't spam or Troll or right about that I agree on this blogs but this is real life this is not some book okay but out there in the real world I do want some help please it's my first time so your right about having respect so I just Delete them and start over deal.


Hello, Riex. Longtime No see. How are you? OJOLara (talk) 23:01, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Anon troll[]

Hey, just wanted to warn you that there's an anon messing with a page (Jfferson Starships). Gabriel456 (talk) 23:44, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

New Season 8 Promo[]

Hey, just found a promo for season 8, and thought you could post it somewhere that is correct. Here it is at youtube. Mr.Comatose (talk) 19:19, September 6, 2012 (UTC)


Is fanfiction allowed here? I just want to know if I can make a Blog Post for my Drag me to Purgatory story? Professor Awesome (talk) 19:24, September 8, 2012 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Thank you[]

Just writing to say thank you, for advising me on what to do with my problems, I don't know what they did but it worked, I can add again, and its thanks to you, I would never have thought of asking community centeral on my own, so thank you. And when I'm on next, I'll finish explaining the ghost edits to you. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:02, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

And its good to be back, but still thank you, so do you want me to finally reveal why all my edits have been ghost centeral now? General MGD 109 (talk) 17:28, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm here now, and I'm on chat? General MGD 109 (talk) 20:25, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I'm here, And I'm on chat, sorry about being so late, its just with this seeming sorted, I didn't think I would need to come on, so I've been doing other things. And no, it isn't. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:02, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hello! and thank you for the warm welcome!!

I've been using this website for awhile, (I write Supernatural fanfiction) and I use this very often as reference!!


SuperWoman0124 (talk) 05:10, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Interpole is Add for Qualfications[]

Hi It's me Kristin Williams I need your help by making a Psychic/Medium Page for me please and thank no further Questions no Qulafications no crying and no aruging just get it done make it into a 4 6 4 6 ASP, Please and Thank you.

Glad your finally better[]

Don't worry about it, what are friends for. And I'm glad you managed to solve this problem, and your right it never hurts to be protected, thats why I aways wear my saint christopher. And I will. Sorry I missed you last time.

In other news, there have been some changes in the last few days, and the issue of the "Winchest" page has been brought up, but I feel sure your surport us, in having the page deleted, as it is an afrontal to the whole, no speculation, no fan beliefs, simply facts and canon, stand that this wiki has. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:09, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I'm finally on. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:46, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I was unable to see him today, despite trying to three times, the first time he was giving a service, the second he was busy, the third he had left, so I was unable to ask, also I'm not going to be on much today, so were be unable to have a chat, sorry. So I'll try again tomorrow, this time I'll leave earlier, and then ask him, and if there are any major events, send them to me. But personally I'm sure he's safe. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:16, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


I want to make things right I want to say Yes I know you your Lucifer I and I want to say Yes so I can be on Obama Care so Yes.

Okay, I'm here, sorry about taking so long, meet me on chat. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:58, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I missed you, but I'm back now, if your still here. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:15, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm here now. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:58, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm back on now. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:31, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm here. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:31, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Live Chat for Season 8[]

Hi. Feel free to take a look here and leave me a message with your thoughts on whether we should have this 'event' throughout Season 8. I would be okay with this but only if the active users here are able to commit and join the chat as well (lest we face a situation where a new user joins the chat for each broadcast, only to find out that the chat is empty). My timezone makes it impossible for me to commit, so I'd welcome your input as to whether you are able to commit and whether you find this feasible. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 12:21, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hello ImperiexSeed! I'm writing to ask about the creature that was seen in purgatory in the episode Whats Up Tiger Mommy?. Some have speculated that it was a rugaru, do you know if this has this been confirmed? I personally have no idea. ----Bkshadows (talk)

Dr Gaines[]

Alright, I'm not saying that I'm going to try it again unauthorized, but think about it mate: having one article for two different characters? TroopDude (talk) 18:31, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

New to chat[]

sorry, I'm new here. I can't seem to see you on chat

FTWinchester (talk) 22:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

On chat now, I'll wait for you to arrive. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:21, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I'm finally on chat, sorry about it taking so long, I've just had a busy week. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:59, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

We don't seem to be meeting halfway. I live in Toronto, so I follow eastern time. I'm usually active around 8-10 in the morning or 8-10 in the evening.

FTWinchester (talk) 03:00, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


Did I insult you directly? No. Do you believe I did? Yes. Did I say I disagree with you? No. Do you have a right to determine whether I can or cannot be snarky? No. Do you think you do? Yes. Why? I don't know. Did I say you did anything to me? No. Do I have anything against you? I don't know yet. Should you calm down because I really couldn't care less? That's for you to determine. Just allow me to make additions in peace.Consus, the Erudite God (talk) 22:38, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[]

User:KRATOS here thanks for the kind words for my work on the ArchAngels atleast someone appreciates my help.

Can you meet me on chat? I want to talk. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:19, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Still want to talk to you, can you meet me on chat? General MGD 109 (talk) 18:45, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, this is my third try, and we keep missing each other (atleast I hope were missing each other), I'm on chat now, could you please meet me there? General MGD 109 (talk) 18:00, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I just want to talk, its been a while since we've spoken, and I have something I would like to raise with you. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:22, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Are you having computer problems, or is now just a bad time, or something? If so I wait till another day, just tell me. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:28, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I understand, its nothing to important, I mostly just wanted to talk. Were just try again tommorrow. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:36, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

It's Not fair it's not fair to me I want to be on Supernatural also it it breaks my heart that I am not part of itKristin Williams (talk) 01:26, November 16, 2012 (UTC)Kristin Williams

hello, supernatural brain quiz what is the best and powerful monster

Hi, I'm Cameron and I've seen every episode of Supernatural to date, and continue to watch them regularly. It has been confirmed that God is Chuck Shurley, hence the picture on the page and it's also confirmed Michael is the eldest Archangel and was created around the beginning of time hence the "Nigh-Omniscience" his knowledge is extensive.. Why do you keep reverting my edits?

Hey, It's Cameron again, I forgot I had another account that was registered a while back so I figured I'd use this. Are you able to add "Metatron" under the list of "Archangels" that you find under "Creatures" or are you going to wait for a legit appearance from him before this?? Enviousity (talk) 10:47, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


Thanks I will watch my edits but iam not the one mixing up abilities or erasing good info. User:KRATOS


This will be short KRATOS, the user keeps reversing edits on certian pages like on God, the Chronology of Supernatural and Deities. First, of God's page yes it's BS, stupid or what the F*ck ever for the writers to make or at least make Death say he will kill God. BUT, it was said and is worth putting on his page. (It's still there now, but it keeps getting removed.) Second, the Chronology page, I just edited it again, putting that after God and Death other deities appeared. Even, the Supernatural Superwiki puts on their time-line of the past that other deities came after God and Death. Also, do to the masscare of highly known gods in Hammer of the Gods and the relationships between Gabriel/Loki and Baldur with Kali where the episode never even aired in India, he added this so to not insult or down play the other religions anymore. Also, on the deities page, mostly it's just the same stuff that he puts or removes on the other two pages.

Like, I get it God is allpowerful and truly immortal both in the series and of course in reallife. And at best the pagan deities are a bunch of immortal (none-aging) beings that have magic with few being really strong and or divine. But, this a series that we didn't make or own and we HAVE to write these articles in the most unbias manner. If we don't that we are making articles like on fandom sites, and this is about canon information. I mean, before I came to this wikia there was no Deities pages, I made it and General corrected it. But, I have talked enough. I am NOT saying you need to take any action against this user. I figured as I am not an admin, that I should go saying to Kratos, so I told you this. As if it keeps up I let you know advance that he is making a lot of his posts, more on opinion than unbias facts or logic.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 05:48, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fanfiction Characters?[]

Hey Imperiex, is it allowed to make a fake character article in the form of a blog? Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 22:49, November 28, 2012 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Becoming an Admin[]

Hey ImperiexSeed. If this is the inappropriate place to ask this, I apologize. But I'd like to become an admin. If you feel that, for whatever reason, I'm not qualified, I'll understand. But since joining this Wiki, I've trying to follow the leads of you, and other admins. But after a while now, I think that I should take charge. Not in the authoritative sense, but in the initiative sense, you know? For a while, I've observed the flow of character articles, and have devised a few ways to make them easier to read and look at. If I were an admin, together we could rule the galaxy, er, I mean we could make the job quick and effective. My hope is that this doesn't sound like a grab for power or anything. I just want to make the Wiki an abundant and comprehensive source of canon Supernatural information. I understand that this your goal too, so why not do it together as admins? 

Anyways, that's my spiel. I look forward to hearing back from you! 

- SilverRain (talk) 03:51, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Here do you want to meet me on chat? We haven't talked in a while. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Response to your message on Savannah's talk page[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed,  I have already reviewed the talk page's edit history which is how I became aware that my message had been altered and it happened when you posted a message afterward so it's clear you indeed reverted my edit intentional or not. In addition, I in turn do not appreciate your negativity towards Savannah nor me because as you were practically berating both us for the accusation, without even considering the possibility that you had done so accidently. Not to mention, this is at least the second time a message of mine has been altered when you have edited a talk page. The first time occured when edits by L4D2 and myself were reverted on Micheal's talk page when you posted a message afterwards based on the page's ediit history which you denied then as well, so it's too coincidential to simply be due to techincal difficulties as you suggested. 05:11, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Before this turns into a fight, I would like to say this: Caleb responded to my message, and based on what he said, I now believe this is one big misunderstanding. Imperiex, I/we're sorry for the accusations based on the links we found. If you guys want to know what Caleb said, just drop off by my talk page. Savannah Star 16:13, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Nigh Omnipotence[]

Omnipotence is limitless power, while Nigh Omnipotence is immense power, but still limited. Only God is Omnipotent. In fact, on the very page it states that  Death and so on are only nigh omnipotent, so they don't really fit in that page, especially if only one of them is truly omnipotent. Judging by the fact that some of the users have been beaten/killed like Raphael and Gabriel whileanother could be binded in a spell proves it, as an Omnipotent wouldn't be able to be beaten/killed nor bound. Just my opinion, the page should be restored. Gabriel456 (talk) 01:47, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

New ghost type[]

Its been a week, so I was wondering if you had come to a conclusion, on my preposed new ghost type page. I am ready to make the page, and have thought of the charaters who do belong there, and the ones who possibly belong there (were have to disscus that as well) I all I need is your say, and I can make it. Of course if you have desided not to allow this pages creation, then I'll except that, although I must state I dissagree, as without it, it leaves this wiki (to a very small extent) incomplete, still its your call, I'll except your dission what ever you agree on. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:25, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well I wouldn't call them benevolant ghosts, as benevolant implies they activly help people or are good things, when in fact there simply ghosts who don't attack or bother others unless they are disturbed, as evidenced by all the ones who have appeared (Playthings, Death Takes a Holiday, The Real Ghostbusters, Of Grave importance). Still its your dission, and as I said I respect it, I must state though, and I'm not trying to cause a fight or anything, but I do disagree with your disison. But at the end of the day its still your dission for you to make, and as I've already said, I respect it, besides if you ever change your mind you know where to find me. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:50, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I've contributed, and as you've probably seen, although I agree with you, I think that you to should simply stop speaking for a while, its clear Battlelord7 isn't going to back down.General MGD 109 (talk) 21:02, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

If your still here, do you want to meet me on chat? I'd like to talk. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:31, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


Hey, there. I would just like to ask if you have powers for deletion of uploaded images. If so, would it be possible to request the deletion of two photos? These are my profile photos (1) and (2) and I've decided I no longer wish to post profile photos on my talk page (for the time being, at least), nor do I wish to leave any personal photos in the database. If you could do it, that would be awesome and very much appreciated. Thanks.  FTWinchester (talk) 15:08, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, mate FTWinchester (talk) 04:54, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
I'm liking the past two episodes real good. Nice lore, improved graphics and general awesome feel. I think they may have had increased budget. Are you on chat?FTWinchester (talk) 18:25, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for deleting the failed 'Alias' template trial. FTWinchester (talk) 03:11, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm glad you liked them. FTWinchester (talk) 17:28, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Noted, and doneFTWinchester (talk) 05:13, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Season 9[]

Hi it has been anounced by the cw there will be a season 9 of supernatural aring in the fall thought u may  want to create a page about it {{SUBST:User:Original Authority/sig}} 21:15, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Admin Rights?[]

I have been editing on this wiki for sometime now and have edited in alot of useful information. I have also settled several disputes amongst users that might've ended badly. I have served this wiki faithfully and unwaveringly for all the while I've been here so I need to ask you, will you make me an Admin? Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 03:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Hey could you delete the photo that I uploaded, "say.jpeg" ? I wanted to put it as my avatar, but ended up adding it to the Supernatural wiki page.

RaghavD (talk) 08:24, February 21, 2013 (UTC)RaghavDRaghavD (talk) 08:24, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I've got a slight problem, for some reason it won't let people add to my latest blog, could you have a look and see what the problem is? General MGD 109 (talk) 21:42, February 23, 2013 (UTC) 

Thanks for fixing my blog, now I just have to wait for someone to comment. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:56, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Confirmation for Castiel as Season 9 regular[]

Hi, ImperiexSeed, I looked into this claim that Castiel will be a regular in Season 9 and found some articles to back it up. Here's a link to them:


Never mind just search Castiel Season 9 on and should find those arcticles.

Sorry about that, here's a link to one article that also states Misha Collins will direct an episode S9: 01:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I am just a guy who really loves supernatural, but leaves the wikia to more capable hands, but I have confirmation that Mish Collins will be a regular in Season 9.

Some food for thought[]

First off, I would like to remind you that as an admin of this wiki, you of all users should uphold the freedom of everyone's right of stating their opinions. I don't think it's proper and civil to tell me to stop antagonizing you just because you seem to have developed a delusion that I have personal vendetta against you. I don't have any and I honestly don't think you have a right to tell me to stop my activities in this wiki (which I believe do not breach wiki policies), much less by basing it on how you perceive my activities relative to yours. Some people simply just have a different opinion on many different topics. Learn to deal.

More so, I respect your right to have an opinion on me, but I highly recommend you to look up what 'self-proclaimed knowitall' means, before using it to describe me. FTWinchester (talk) 05:28, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

"You, at every turn, pounce on every presentable chance to prove me wrong, and I'm getting sick of it. So, stop!"

In my response, I said 'activities' which are not limited to editing and proofreading of articles. I can and should enjoy any activities here including voicing my opinions (the matter which you clearly told me to stop doing). I have never distorted your statments intentionally to make them mean the opposite. If ever I did unintentionally, it is either followed by an apology OR you simply misunderstood my point. Case in point, your use of 'intrinsic' (in the blog about omens and demons) was incorrect, so naturally, I would point out my confusion in the matter. But I never did so in a condescending manner.

Besides, you totally missed the point. Self-proclamation requires an actual statement of a claim. I never made such a claim, but you are certainly welcome to provide proof in this label you gave me. Otherwise, just because you may think I am a SELF-proclaimed Know-it-All (and dismiss me as NOTHING MORE), that does not mean it's true.

Now that I have said my thoughts on the matter, I will let this die a natural death. I do not plan to add more fuel in this lest it gets any dirtier. FTWinchester (talk) 16:00, March 1, 2013 (UTC)  

I agree with you, after all other pages were created that seperated similiar things, and in the case of weather manipulation and thermokinesis they weren't that close any way, yeah good call. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:33, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm so tired of this imperiex. I don't see you reprimanding other users who responded to that thread. And, as the Wiki contributors pointed out in the same thread, Michael and Raphael were already mentioned in Houses of the Holy, so clearly, it was not only I who thought you were wrong.

That's right. The Archangel Michael, with the flaming sword. - Father Reynolds, Houses of the Holy

The term 'Archangel' is already mentioned in season 2. So not only are you wrong, you are also directing all your anger on just one contributor: me. I am NOT calling your mistakes to get satisfaction. I am calling them simply because they are wrong or debatable. That is simply the process of a discussion.

Somebody tells you that what you said was wrong, and you immeditely jump to the conclusion that they do it on purpose just to mess with you. What a childish attitude. You are just way too touchy and sensitive. Where's your whining directed towards the contributors who also responded to the thread, huh? Can't make one? Why? Because they are anonymous and I am the one you could easily identify?

If you hate it that you're wrong and you want to respond in a childish way instead of just accepting that you are wrong---fine, but don't fucking act like I'm the only one calling your mistakes. FTWinchester (talk) 01:32, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

thanx. you will be a huge help....i am not on here all the time and i love supernatural Dragon.fairy (talk) 08:55, March 23, 2013 (UTC)dragon.fairy

I'm on it. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:10, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I just got your message, I am cleaning up various pages. A good number of them have grammatical, syntax, or spelling errors. Any help would be appreciated. I am currently cleaning up the ghost pages.

Jusmdj (talk) 15:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hey on the Season 8 page, while reading a  brief summary on the episodes, I noticed that for the Man's Best Friend with Benefits episode, instead of James, it's given as Kevin. I couldn't find a way to edit it. Just thought I'd  bring it to your notice.

Hey, the James-Kevin message was from me. Sorry I forgot to sign.

16:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)RaghavD

Re: Seraph page[]

Hey, sorry I was out travelling. It looks like you did a good job on the page on your own anyway. I'll take a closer look later--I'm pretty sure it'll only be minor editing though. 23:44, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Whoah, didn't realize I wasn't logged in. That was me. FTWinchester (talk) 00:21, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think Crowley was just bragging, he is an arrogant being after all, and a renound liar. Considering he's immortal and has access to higher knowledge, compared to humans he's somewhat right. Alternatively its possible it wasn't Crowley, it could have just been Kevin Hulicinating, from the stress just getting to him. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:47, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

True, but Crowley itsn't known for being the most truthful or humble being, he even admits he has "no virtues". General MGD 109 (talk) 17:52, April 4, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Riex, can you chat right now? If not then don't worry bout it.Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 17:49, April 7, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Typo on Death's page[]

It says "teleporpation" which is obviously a typo.

Sorry, not Death's page. The four horsemen page. It's locked. Gerrnig (talk) 20:02, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, am I ignoring your edits? I hadn't noticed any, so I don't know what I'm ignoring. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:54, April 29, 2013 (UTC)


I told you, I don't want to debate this. I haven't edited any of my thoughts on to articles. However, I will restate why I consider an Angelic's Light based attack an extension of their true form. When, Eve died and Castiel's powers were plugged back in. Cass told Sam, Dean. and Bobby to close their eyes. Also, it showed that several Jefferson Starships eyes were burned out, the same thing happens when a human looks at angel's true form. You see, what I mean, yes their true form is dangerous to most things and the Earth directly. So, all they need is to release a part of it, Ex from the palms of the hands to limit it to certain targets. Maybe, the extension is such unique that it can be considered a separate power. But, " I " am not 100% sure I haven't and won't edit this into articles. So can we please drop this?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 20:55, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I am not being rude, I am not cursing or making personal attacks. You telling me to watch my tone when I haven't done anything wrong, is a personal attack so don't message me please.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 22:01, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, have you gone off the deep end or something? I was replying to the debate, I couldn't reply to you, because you and I were arguing the same side, and that would make it counter productive. And personally I'm not liking the name calling. If you want that sort of attention, I recomend you get a pet, because people can't always reply to everything you right, normally because they can't think of anything useful to say. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:20, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hello ,thank you for you message. but why am i not being able to comment on Blog posts ??

Fan2pll (talk) 21:24, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey. how are you.[]

Hey, I'ts me again. I'm glad to see your still active. How are you? Wanna meet on chat sometime?OJOLara (talk) 13:36, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should ban Ais4AlisonNotAmatuer. She was calling me out and using rude language to me on chat. Thank you -April (talk) 18:24, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Abrightgirl

Excuse me, Sir, but the member, ABrightGirl and I were just messing around in the chatroom. We're actually friends from another Wiki and we just lashed out for absolutely no reason. Please, accept my apology and I hope you have a great day. Ais4AlisonNotAmatuer (talk) 18:48, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Kat


Why are you so pissed off all the time lately? Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 20:20, June 6, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

I'm there now Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 20:42, June 6, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Coming or what? Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 20:45, June 6, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Thank you for welcoming me to the wiki Krazygirl (talk) 21:13, June 7, 2013 (UTC)krazygirl

Shorter Plot?[]

You know....the companion guides feature a MUCH shorter recap on the episodes on the Seasons that I have. Would you like me to use them? Or are you fine with the extremely long ones we have now? Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 02:58, June 8, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Trust me. It is much shorter and easier to read. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 03:44, June 8, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Heavenly Blade Deletion[]

Imperiex, I would like to request deletion of either the Heavenly Blade page or the fate-killing blade. I personally think that the first one is more informative but either way, one of these pages has to go seeing as how they are about the same thing. By the way, the Fate killing blade is called the Heavenly Blade. It is called so in both The Essential Supernatural Guide and the Compnaion Guide for Season 6. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 23:27, June 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Hello! Just noting it wasn't me who edited the Horsemen page the way you reverted it. :) Gurgatory (talk) 00:30, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Blog posts[]

Don't take it personally. It's not because I'm intentionally avoiding your opinions. I tend to skip replying to statements I generally agree on, since I find it pointless to just post 'Yes, I agree.' without adding anything else (seeing as you've pretty much covered the topic pretty good). I'm more inclined to reply to a post I somehow contest. I hope this doesn't start another tension between us. FTWinchester (talk) 02:36, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Same. They can go with lots of directions, and I hope they choose the exciting and fresh one. FTWinchester (talk) 12:59, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

There's a superpower wikia page on telekinesis. I caught hell trying to edit anything on that website. Every time i edit something it get erased or removed. You know what I'm talking about. At least i got some slack here. Thanks for fixing my edit.Master of matter 04:47, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Adding comments[]

Adding comments:

Hello its me again, is anyone willing to make a comment page or comments headline. It will be really nice. Master of matter 16:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Making or leaving comments on page[]

I'm talking about where visters can leave a comment on the website. Saying how good the page is or what they like about the charaters or the powers from supernatural. Master of matter 16:49, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

okay, cool[]

Okay, cool.

Block this asshole![] is categorizing characters under a title that has little or no connetion to Supernatural AT ALL. So do us all a favor and ban his/her ass off this site because it is pissing me and I'm sure others off to no end. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 05:41, July 11, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Just one favor[]

Hey Imperiex, its been a while. I've been wanting to ask you, would it be cool if you can edit "Humans" under "Characters with this ability" on the telekinesis page. Thank you.


Is there a special wiki for Supernatural fanfiction, or is it alright to post them as blogs on this wiki? Because I got a big idea for a fanfic series and I wanted to know where to post it. Thanks. B'ai, laterz, adios, etc. 19:18, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I got your message, your right we haven't talked in awhile, nice to hear from you again. Sorry to hear about your computer. And yes I would be interested in your offer, thank you for offering me it. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:43, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'm on now. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:02, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

New Parent Filter Program[]

Hello! I just wanted to let you know that Wikia has just launched the Parent Filter program, and we would love your help getting it rolled out to your community! The goal of Parent Filter pages is to have the real experts on topics (our Wikia users) give parents accurate information about the pop culture their kids want to play, watch, and read. This new page is now part of the MediaWiki messages on your community, and has a template for you to fill in with parent-relevant information.

If you'd like help filling out the page, let us know and we'll be happy to lend a hand, but you can also read more about the program in this staff blog, thanks! Grace (profile)•(talk) 22:08, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I missed you yestarday, I'm still interested in your offer though, so when you get a chance next, contact me. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:37, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia Videos for Supernatural[]

Hello! I just wanted to let you know that Wikia just got a few Supernatural videos that could be good for your community! Our videos are actually licensed so there's no chance they will be removed any time in the future like a Youtube video would be. These videos are also viewable worldwide and Wikia has the full license for these videos, which means your wiki can use them anywhere you like!

It would be great if these videos could be used on pages within the wiki, put in a related videos module that is located in the right rail of every page as seen here, or even just added via Special:Videos to be available for use! Please let me know if you need any help adding them on your community, or have feedback on the videos :)

Mhadick (talk) 19:32, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Lucifer returning[]

Hey, man. I was beginning to wonder why you weren't active as you were before. I hope you're doing fine. Same here. Generally, I am apprehensive about any of the archangels returning, because while they were really cool and awesome, having them to return is basically throwing away all the conflict from the past seasons. I would rather have new races/beings, or maybe angels ascending as new archangels. Maybe there's something in the angel tablet about that, and maybe Castiel could be elevated from a Seraph into an archangel, once he manages to finally set things right again. Take care, as well. FTWinchester (talk) 01:01, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I would also like to have some lovecraftian enemy (maybe related to but completely separate from Leviathans), but Carver seems to dislike "older and bigger" enemies that the previous eras brought up. He likes to play within what we have right now, expanding current, instead of adding to the primordial lore. FTWinchester (talk) 14:53, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I don't want are first conversation in a little while to turn into an argument, so could you just look at the discussion and your see my point. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:55, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

On the Holy ground talk page. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:08, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, your right sorry. Its actually on the demon talk page, here's the link And sure I'll meet you on chat in a little while. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:15, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

God case[]

I understand what you are saying and I agree. We are saying the same thing with different words. 16:27, October 24, 2013 (UTC)Epakrios192.167.209.10 16:27, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Pyrokinesis[]

Without a doubt he very well could have the ability. I don't think there is a problem as long as we emphasize that it was claimed but was never shown/seen, because you know, neutrality and all that stuff. FTWinchester (talk) 21:28, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'm on now. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:17, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re:God Page[]

Thanks. I don't really concern myself much with most "Lore" origin sections, but that one really caught my attention. Not quite in a good way. I thought there was too much information? FTWinchester (talk) 08:18, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Archangel/Leviathan[]

I already responded on the blog, buddy. FTWinchester (talk) 23:14, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Those are all probable, I don't deny them. But until shown in the canon, those are all just headcanon. FTWinchester (talk) 22:42, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
Dude. I don't really want to argue here. Your example of a shapeshifter who has not yet appeared is not really analogous to an archangel vs. a leviathan battle. A shapeshifter being able to shapeshift is canon, because it is canonically described to be their capability--the only thing we don't know is how fast the shifter changes its appearance. We have had several episodes of shapeshifters appearing, and it's an established truth and generally accepted fact that all of them could shift. However, he have had no canonical support nor reference whatsoever about how a fight between archangels and Leviathan would result to. What we have are separate episodes on two beings and their capabilities. From what we know from Supernatural, nothing is certain. We were led to believe that angels were really powerful and could smite demons without problems. However, Alastair's resistance was incredible and scary at the time it was revealed. We did not know how dangerous Leviathan were until we saw angels slaughtered by one. We did not know Leviathan could 'fly' until we saw them in Purgatory. Eve could 'unplug' a Seraph, and yet she was killed by the ashes of a phoenix, a creature that A) is not even on par with angels in terms of abilities, and b) is easily killed by hunters (humans). Demons are magically superior to the Alpha Vampire, but the Alpha's strength required several demons to subdue him. Death is incredibly powerful, on par or just marginally below God, and yet even humans have bound him to their will. I've been suggesting this for a year now--power scale isn't linear. Again, I don't argue that Archangels are magically superior to Leviathan by a huge margin. I know Archangels are awesome and all that. However, we don't know exactly how a match between the two beings would end until the series shows it. After all, Death and Castiel did describe the Leviathan to "chomp the entire petri dish", and "can kill angels", respectively. It's a problem of semantics, but technically, archangels are still angels, and they are still part of that "entire petri dish". Leviathan are still extremely older than all angels, including archangels. Archangels have incredible advantages to them due to magic, but we still have that bits of uncertainty from how the Leviathan were described to be in canon. FTWinchester (talk) 20:08, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I must have missed your last message. I suppose it is--they have already shown the capability to lay siege to Hell and Purgatory--although I think they needed support from a high-ranking angel. In Season 4, Castiel implied that they were sent to Hell by their superior(s), and in Season 8, Naomi organized the rescue of Castiel. On archangels, I don't know honestly. My faith in the show has been shaken this season--I'm not liking the direction they are taking, and frankly, I'm on the verge of giving up and just discarding the whole of Gamble, Singer and Carver Eras. Storytelling of Supernatural has gone really stale and repetitive. Even the introduction of another angel class (Rit Zien) did not excite me as it would have before. Most new characters bar Abaddon failed to keep my interest. FTWinchester (talk) 22:38, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
Season 10 is still a reasonable run. They have several options that are fresh, new and interesting. But they chose to be boring and stuck to angels vs. demons. I think it's partly because they were afraid that taking a new class of antagonists would fail just like the Leviathan did. Frankly, I think this was a poor decision. I understand their fear of taking risks, but when you run back to Heaven vs. Hell, you will eventually end up stale in the long run. Additionally, Eve seems to have worked well, so they also have a precedent of a new antagonist being effective (the only hate on Eve I've ever encountered is that she was killed too fast). I'm sure you know this--our community alone has several ideas that could work. I don't know if you've watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer but it's TV gold. Trust me. Even Superntural writers and producers (Singer) have expressed their liking of that show--and for good reason; Buffy avoided recycling old concepts. Although the title would suggest she only focused on vampires, she actually fought a number of different and unique Big Bads throughout seven seasons. Additionally, the storytelling scale got more epic and more interesting as the seasons progressed, while Supernatural stagnated and slowed down in its later seasons. Honestly, it's all just a matter of choice, and Carver chose to go small, ditching the grand schemes, powerful enemies, new dimensions in favor of a bunch of characters that go by and die so fast, motivated by petty reasons and aiming for small end games. FTWinchester (talk) 00:15, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
But it's actually crumbling. Several fans were pissed off by the end of the midseason finale and expressed the desire to leave the show. Additionally, Castiel is already used too much of a deus ex machina and capitalizing on that would honestly make the show worse. What suspense and action is there if Castiel just smites everything in mere seconds? We already lack good fight scenes, and removing what's left would make matters worse. Do you even remember the fight in 7.23? Dick was defeated in a matter of seconds! The fight against Gilda's human enslaver also took just about a minute. Leviathans were awesome in Purgatory due to their flight and true form, but once the blades start to swing, they are basically just as weak as any regular monster. Older seasons of supernatural have better fight scenes and that is another weak spot of the later eras. This is also why Crowley's second tenure as the Big Bad suffered so much--he was usually powerless against his angelic enemies. Demons got boring and very weak that fights against the angels were often one-sided. FTWinchester (talk) 17:18, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
That doesn't justify the sudden change in appearance of angels. Demons appearing together sometimes appear as one big storm butt and there has been no problem with that. Multiple points of bright light is not difficult to portray. For me, using a demon-like wisp to stand in for angels is just lazy CG on their part, or perhaps they are cutting on their CG costs. FTWinchester (talk) 23:16, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


thx! Tessier78 (talk) 02:20, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


Alright then.Gabriel456 (talk) 01:40, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

So, do you want me to restore their original pics then? Gabriel456 (talk) 02:19, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Angel Speed[]

Indeed this is what the text does imply, and it makes perfect sense considering at the time all Castiels powers were wavering, so several fully powered angels should possess greater powers by logic. Yeah I agree it seems like it, however I would attribute it down to Castiel being weaker at the time, rather than angels naturally being different speeds. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:13, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Personally I think its ambigious, such dialoug could apply in both situations. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:24, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Meg's petition[]

Could the petition to bring back Meg be posted somewhere on the wikis homepage? --JordanaBrewsterFAN 10:49, December 20, 2013 (UTC)


Hey, that's really nice of you, especially since we have had several arguments in the past. It is true, though. I would be waiting to see how the next two episode goes, and I need them to be epic in order for me to continue. This is really hard for me because I have been a really hardcore fan and supporter of the series--but I can't also blindly defend the show if it continues to go south, because that would be unfair to the true essence of becoming a fan. I'm sorry I haven't been able to respond to you sooner, because I was busy with work. But I really appreciate you going out of your way to message me. If I do go and stop watching the series, I'll still drop by to help out with the grammar, tense and structure of articles, even if I wouldn't be able to contribute much to new pages. Cheers! FTWinchester (talk) 00:34, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying they have to return to older, bigger bads. Even then, I somehow distinctly remember you were one of the guys who were excited about Nature and Chaos? Anyway, I don't mind small fry fighting another small fry if they are fighting for a big end game. For example, Malachi and Bartholomew by themselves, I don't mind (although they still suck and are severely underdeveloped at this point, btw). But if all they are fighting for are petty goals, that makes them even more uninteresting. Whatever happened to the goal to shut down hell? The actual fights against angels and demons? Any new forms of apocalypses? Demons nowadays are just infighting more than ever (since Season 6), as opposed to earlier seasons where they were doing a massive cookfest of great plans to take over earth and heaven. Same goes for the angels. All infighting. Yes, using bigger bads will run stale eventually, but at least trying something new would make it a bit fresh for a short while, whereas sticking to angels and demons would also end up going stale faster anyway. FTWinchester (talk) 03:20, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Horsemen Rings[]

Honestly, I have no idea. Although I think it's a limit placed by God himself on the horsemen (at least the three of them), so that humanity has a chance to defend themselves from the horsemen and Lucifer (kind of like the Bone Washed with....). FTWinchester (talk) 02:48, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

I'll be on the wiki for the next hour maybe, so if you're there. FTWinchester (talk) 14:34, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Just a few things[]

I can easily assume that Crowley's going to use the angel exorcising spell, you know, the one not seen since frickin' four! Or, he might just torture the angel out of him.

That's a possibility, although the latter is probably correct as Crowley mostly operates by torture.

Why didn't Alastair unleash Death and use him to bend practically everything in the powers of hell favor? Such power would've allowed them to win the war a hundred times over. Death, now operating under the whim of crazy Al, could've slaughtered every opposing angel, raised every deceased demon (even ones from the primeval age), snatch his master (Lucifer) out of the cage without having to go through the seals. Then again, Alastair would probably find that immensely boring and not as satisfying as maiming and torturing everyone he can with his own vessel's hands.

I'm not sure Death has the power to return demons who died previously. He's strong all right, but I don't ever recall one instance he raised someone, let alone some other supernatural being. As to why Alastair did not raise Death himself, I have no answer for that. Lucifer must have known that Death is extremely reluctant to participate, and gave orders that only he could attempt to rein in the horseman--otherwise, if a weaker being attempted to raise the most powerful horseman, perhaps their plan could be prematurely derailed once Death managed to free himself from Alastair's control (as he successfully did with Dean).

Also, why didn't Lucifer use the four Horsemen rings during the apocalypse? He could worn them on his vessel's fingers, and bear the power to manipulate the very aspects of war, famine, pestilence and death. He would've been more powerful than even Castiel when he had all of Purgatory's souls.

We don't know if all the rings work like that. We know Death's ring does, but we only ever saw him hand it out willingly. FTWinchester (talk) 19:43, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I follow. Could you cite those please? FTWinchester (talk) 04:07, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Well, yeah, I was serious. I looked up 'The Devil You Know' and no part of the transcript supports or refers to what you just said. The closest one is Brady telling Crowley that Lucifer won't let Crowley die--which I take that the archangel will simply torture Crowley to the point near death, without actually causing death itself to Crowley. If by Raphael, do you mean the line he said on 'Free to Be You and Me', then that shows more credence that archangels may in fact resurrect lower angels (although I don't know if the same could work for demons). FTWinchester (talk) 04:38, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

On the subject of the manifesation spell, I don't think there would be a problem. It's just that I don't quite understand what instance you are referring to when Lucifer used it on Death. FTWinchester (talk) 04:41, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I could not see any thing that supports Lucifer had to force death to manifest. The four horsemen have always been referred to as if they had form and interact with objects and other beings (Alastair's quote in 'Death Takes A Holiday'). Lucifer merely released Death from Heaven's bind, and put a new bind of his own on the horseman. Additionally, nothing in the transcript and the presentation of the scene supports that Death was forced to manifest in a manner like the cupid. 

Going back to why Lucifer did not resurrect the fallen demons that served him--I would return the answer I gave you before. We can't tell for sure, but his disdain and disgust for demons probably tell us he did not think he needed their help anymore--he had the four horsemen, the cambion, the whore of Babylon. And he himself could singlehandedly defeat the Host of Heaven, bar Michael, and possibly Raphael, with ease. That's pride backed by power right there. FTWinchester (talk) 12:26, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not angry at all. I must have skipped over the response while viewing the recent wiki activity--sorry about that. When Lucifer released Death, it was actually difficult to see what is going on since the camera focuses on Lucifer. The only visual cue we have are some dark blurry shapes that appear very rapidly in front of the archangel and they abruptly stop. It could be anything from simply the effect of the binding spell breaking or the new one taking effect to Death himself beginning to stir. It's really difficult to tell. I looked over the transcripts of My Bloody Valentine and Abandon All Hope... but honestly, I could not see a similar word/term that Castiel and Lucifer used (you said "if they (Castiel and Lucifer) used the same words, then it is, in fact, a manifestations spell"). I looked up "tethered" and "manifest" but Lucifer did not use those words. He only said "Well, hello, Death". FTWinchester (talk) 04:52, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

No rush. I myself am very sleepy as well, it's a little past over midnight here. Castiel used an enochian chant while Lucifer used a ritual that was English. FTWinchester (talk) 05:21, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

On the horsemen's rings, The Essential Supernatural called them 'The Rings of Destiny', and indicates that the rings are not the source of the horsemen's powers but the rings help the horsemen to focus their abilities. It still does not clarify the origin but it provides additional information. FTWinchester (talk) 14:02, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

I've told you this before: once I've said all that I could say on the matter, I no longer respond to a discussion unless new major developments proceed. I have said everything I could about Lilith and Thermokinesis, as well as the matter on the canonicity of the companions. In fact, I have had at least three full-length responses on the last topic, and I am waiting for more people to comment on the topic before I post on it again. Otherwise, that's just me saying 'yes, me too', which I find pointless because I've reiterated my point on the talk page several times already. The wiki needs a consensus, and that takes more than just me and two other contributors. If I was angry with you or anything, I would not even respond at all to you. If you haven't noticed, you're the one who hasn't responded yet on the matter of the manifestation spell, and yet, I even posted an additional info about a question you previously asked me (the horsemen's rings) even if that discussion died some few days ago--and that's because I found new material that could fuel the discussion, and not the same old, 'yea, I agree', or 'that's what I think, too'. FTWinchester (talk) 23:23, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

That's a valid point. Although, since it was a loan under Death's consent, that may explain why Dean managed to use Death's power. I'm not saying that Dean or anyone could not use at least a portion of a horseman's power by wearing his ring, but perhaps consent or something else given by the horseman allows a mortal to access the powers (especially since if the rings only allow focus of those powers, and not actually provide those powers per se). Otherwise, it may be like a human giving consent to an angel when the human isn't meant to be a vessel--and that ends in a bloody mess, as we all know. The power may be too great for a human to handle unless the horseman intervenes. FTWinchester (talk) 18:38, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Leviathans[]

To be honest I don't think there's one standard picture on that blurry portion of the creation timeline. I don't remember Death or Castiel saying specifically when the Leviathan were sealed--whether before or after the creation of other beings (we just know God decided some point after the Leviathan's creation that they were too destructive). Additionally, although we know Purgatory was a prison designed to contain the Leviathan, I don't recall when it was specifically made--was it made after God decided to seal the beasts? Or was it the primordial earth/heaven/whatever-the-first-place-was-called, and it was simply sealed off and separated from the other places from creation or other places that followed it? Only after those questions are answered will the rest follow easily. FTWinchester (talk) 18:34, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

I know it doesn't, but unless we know the answers to those questions, I would only be giving you guesses. You're right, Death did phrase it that way but it's still possible Purgatory already existed and was only called Purgatory after it was separated from other dimensions (this is using 'created' in a metaphorical sense). Purgatory could have been created after the Leviathan, it could have consisted of the primordial earth and was simply sealed off and God decided to create a new earth, or it was part of the many dimensions and was only separated from the rest (the last one supports the idea that Purgatory has a backdoor to hell). All three versions would provide three different answers as to what they were eating and what they were destroying. FTWinchester (talk) 20:14, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Of course, that is very understandable. The simplest one is usually the best one, so don't worry about it. That was just me trying to look at all possible scenarios. FTWinchester (talk) 20:28, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Leviathans[]

Please don't rush me, I'm trying to watch the episode and look for the scene you are describing. So far, I haven't found it. FTWinchester (talk) 04:02, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

All I'm seeing are regular leviathan fangs. FTWinchester (talk) 04:10, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

I skipped right into the Alpha Vampire scene. I saw what you were talking about now. I have completely forgotten about that part. I suppose it is safe to say they can mimic all monsters with lineage from Eve, at the very least. Whether they could mimic angels is a different matter altogether (although I would like that to be true just so the claim they are extremely dangerous to the whole petri dish to be more justified). Remember, they could not even copy Charlie, a mere human. FTWinchester (talk) 04:23, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

It's just that you said "If true, this would then make them the most dangerous threat the Winchesters have ever faced." Why would Leviathans mimicking other monsters make them significantly more dangerous? I thought they already are the apex beasts. I mean sure, that's an awesome ability and all, but the only way mimicking other supernatural creatures would be highly beneficial for them is to mimic celestials, which remain to be the sole group that challenge the Leviathan's claim of invulnerability and proclivity for destruction. Eh, I thought it was okay. No major complaints. I'm waiting for First Born to see how it goes (I'm still feeling like everything is smaller in scale, though). FTWinchester (talk) 04:52, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Also, me going for the implicit is not always the case. If you recall, I was one of the people saying we take Death's and Castiel's descriptions on the strength of the Leviathan and their ability to endanger all other species at face value. FTWinchester (talk) 04:54, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
As of now, it's both no-win for us. While it's true we don't have clear information on how a Leviathan could pose a threat to an archangel, canon also clearly dictates that a Leviathan could only be completely destroyed with the Bone and nothing else, and Death's and Castiel's description are ultimately canon, although we are yet to find reasonable basis and justification. FTWinchester (talk) 14:01, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
I'm breaking my own rule just this one time, but thank you for agreeing to disagree (or agreeing it's a no-win). We have had this exact same conversation re: archangels and leviathans and it got us nowhere everytime. Gotta love these lore debates if only we don't always run into a stand still. FTWinchester (talk) 03:14, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

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Re:Canonicity of Companion Guides[]

I'm sorry, Imperiex, I didn't mean to make you feel ignored. I did read your post, but it seemed that you were agreeing with FTWinchester, so I didn't feel that I had anything new to add. I already knew how you and FTWinchester felt on the matter (as well as how I myself felt on it), but I was asking for users who hadn't already commented to post their opinions. I didn't mean to slight you. My apologies if I did.--NaiflidG (talk) 22:38, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re:The Colt[]

But of course. Locking pages is admin territory after all, so that's your shot. Frankly, that bit of colt lore is now torn to shreds because of so many beings that could only be killed by "this one" weapon. For example, who is credited now for highest degree of invulnerability? It's not just the Leviathans anymore. Even then, some pagan deities could only be killed by specific weapons as well. And these specific weapons undermine the power of Death's scythe, the archangel blade, etc. FTWinchester (talk) 13:40, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Please don't forget to use the Locked template! Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 13:41, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Lilith is the deadliest demon[]

Dude, you're not wasting my time; I'm always up for discussing Supernatural stuff. I fully agree with what you say. I'm convinced that Eric Kripke meant for Lilith to be the strongest and highest-ranking demon. Sera Gamble never contradicted this, but I'm afraid that Jeremy Carver and his merry band of writers are trying to rewrite canon to make their new batch of demons on par with or even overshadowing Lilith. Until it is explicitly stated otherwise (not counting Crowley's statement; we can't trust what he says because he was deceiving and manipulating Dean at the time he said it), I will continue to believe that Lilith was the most powerful demon. And if such a statement is made by a valid source, even though I'll be forced to accept it as canon, I will consider that a retcon that goes against Kripke's canon.

To be honest, the Knights of Hell (cool as they are) are kind of pushing it already. It was said that Lilith's creation was the reason Lucifer was locked up in the first place, and that she was the first demon. If Lucifer created her and then got locked up for it, that'd mean that he couldn't have created/hand-picked Cain or the Knights because he would've been imprisoned before he had the time to do it. It would've fit into canon much better to say that Cain and the Knights had been created by Lilith or Azazel or some other special demon.--NaiflidG (talk) 21:40, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

True. They were described in "As Time Goes By" as "of the first-fallen, first-born demons, hand-picked by Lucifer himself," though they were described as such by Henry, who also thought that they were all dead and that they'd been killed by archangels. We know that Cain definitely had contact with Lucifer, that he made a deal with him, and that Lucifer marked him, but (I can't check the episode transcript to confirm if Cain said he was made by Lucifer or not) it's possible that Lucifer was imprisoned before he could go through with turning him into a demon and so Lilith was the one who turned him once his soul came to Hell. I don't know if Lucifer had any other role in their creation than that; if the demons had any form of contact with Lucifer, enough that he could select demons to become Knights, then Azazel wouldn't have made such a big deal about finally finding him (could also be that Cain and the Knights just didn't tell Azazel, I suppose, but he doesn't seem like the kind of demon who'd let them get away with that). It's also possible that the Knights had, like Cain, made deals with Lucifer as humans and that their souls were turned into demons either by Lucifer or, if he was already trapped at that point, Cain or Lilith.

Since Henry's claim that they'd been killed by archangels turned out not to be true, it's also possible that the Knights aren't among the first demons and that they are simply the demons Cain deemed worthy to train and make into Knights over the years (which would explain why Abaddon has black eyes, which usually belong to average, young demons, rather than white or yellow eyes that older demons have). "Of the first-fallen, first-born demons" could also mean that the Knights were made by the first demons, which would make them second-generation demons that serve their "parents" (who would be Lilith, Cain, Azazel, Samhain, etc., who would themselves probably be along the lines of the Kings, Queens, Dukes, Princes, etc., of Hell served by the Knights).

I don't know. At the end of the day, there's too many possibilities and not enough solid fact on how it all actually went down.--NaiflidG (talk) 22:32, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

It sure makes it hard to suss out what is supposed to have actually happened. I hope that Abaddon says something about her origins in future episode that'll clear things up. I don't think she's even mentioned Lucifer yet.--NaiflidG (talk) 23:46, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Need policing[]

Get a load of this guy. S/he keeps changing the angel template photo despite me talling him at least three times (two on the talk page, and once on the edit summary) that he can't use a season 4 photo because it is no longer an accurate representation of angels. I've reverted his/her edit three times now and s/he's done it again. I'm done. This is for you admins now. FTWinchester (talk) 20:55, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 13:55, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, no. I wasn't expecting you to ban the user outright. I just thought perhaps s/he needed someone with a heavier weight with the warning, ergo, an admin. FTWinchester (talk) 01:17, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed a lot of hubhub about the things it could kill lately. Could you throw in the Template:Locked on the page, please? Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 22:10, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Have a Chat?[]

Long time, no see, old friend. It is I, Jyggalag (Kesslerbeast). I figured we could chat some time on here, catch up, discuss Supernatural, have a pint maybe? Anyways you know where my talk page is if you feel like getting together sometime. {{SUBST:DaedricScript|Jyggalag_Daedric_Prince_of_Order|12px}} 05:16, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Lucifer[]

Is he supposed to be returning? I think I'm the one missing something here. How is he relevant again? Then again, everything that's happened since Season 8 has pretty much been directionless and more of a free fall of free for all, what ever goes. If he did show, I don't know how he could, unless Metatron wants him out perhaps? I dunno. If any of the main characters think it's a good idea to bust him out, that's stupid. A whole new level of stupid. FTWinchester (talk) 03:45, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, buddy, but the last two arc episodes didn't really sell on me--too many contradictions in lore. If you haven't noticed, I haven't even updated the wikia with the most recent episode Sharp Teeth because I couldn't be bothered to watch it. I may still watch every now and then (if the episode is arc-related, just to see what new kind of crap they would pull out of whatever orifice they have, and how they would proceed to roll around in the said pile of crap), but I am more or less convinced that the show at this point is done and irredeemable. FTWinchester (talk) 02:34, January 31, 2014 (UTC)


Hey. I've come to this wiki a bunch of times but never really edited B4. (So excited 4 next week tho, uhh, Jared's arms!) I was wondering since we are both on the CW if you wanted to be affiliated w each other? I'm the new Reign wiki. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 10:59, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, like we have a link for each other's wiki on our own wikis. like how you have the CW @ the bottom in green. Like that but it's more personal b/c it's in our own shows fonts. Check out the new Flash wiki and scroll down a little to see what I mean, [Here] Since we are both on the CW. You prob don't watch Reign, but I watch SPN, and most of my friends watch both shows too. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 20:43, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Imperiex can you look at the newest blog I put on the wikia activity? If I don't replied for a while, is cause of work and going back to college this year to get my masters.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:43, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Angel feathers[]

It made me raise my eyebrows when they said that, but at that time the Men of Letters were relatively new and they really seemed so awesome and mysterious back then (not so much anymore) so they probably have some method of touching intangible materials or causing intangible materials to be tangible. Honestly I have no idea.  FTWinchester (talk) 23:47, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Well that's magic for you. Wouldn't you say that turning an intangible angel feather tangible is something rather....supernatural? *puts sunglasses on* FTWinchester (talk) 00:04, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Sam and Dean[]

You'll be disappointed to know that I haven't actually watched the episode. Like I said, I'm only sticking in for the main arc episodes now, just to see where the show is further going. As far as I'm concerned, the show ended somewhere between Season 8 and 9, and narratively on Season 5. FTWinchester (talk) 17:45, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Besides, after everything they have been through, it's probably wise to finally learn from their mistakes that their constant resurrections do nothing good. After everything that went down after the apocalypse, isn't it perhaps better if they just let the apocalypse happen? FTWinchester (talk) 17:47, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
The show now is basically "let's-put-sam-and-dean-in-wacky-situations-for-MOTW-episodes-and-in-crappy-episodes-for-major-arc-episodes". No more attempts at darkness, scares and thrills (not even cheap ones), all angst and pain. Shame Dean had to have a kick-ass fight scenes against a mob of demons on a season of mostly crap. Anyway, Swan Song ended with Bobby and Castiel resurrected, and Sam out of the cage. Watch it again. We don't get answers why Sam is out of the cage, and what Castiel plans to do upon his return to heaven and Bobby's soul is also up in the air, but at least speculation is a happier place than what we have now. FTWinchester (talk) 13:22, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
No worries. Even I can't remember every little detail that happened. FTWinchester (talk) 14:34, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

devils trident is enochian sigil,there is a enochian page already if i you i deleted the page.


I think all three pages involved are unnecessary. The show could go on without all three and nothing would have changed. The coat may be an identifier but so are plaid shirts and leather jackets for the Winchesters, and trucker hat for Bobby. Does that mean those clothes warrant pages as well? I believe we'll both say no. The trench coat was never significant to the plot, and was not even crucial in helping return Castiel's memory when he was known as Emmanuel. You'd think if the coat was that important and an absolute identifier for the character, it would play an important part, but no, it didn't. Also just reminding you about your own post...

This logic? =/ THIS logic is subjugated to having location pages with names - not made-up ones. No, you obviously have the WRONG impression; the purpose of a Wiki is not to have every idibidy of information documented - like, we wouldn't make a page for the shoes Dean wears - the primary purpose of a Wiki is to documented prominent and concurrent info. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:50 PM, November 18th 2012 this talk page. If you want my honest opinion, then I vote that all three be removed. FTWinchester (talk) 22:17, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

I am not at all angry at this. I was just stating my point of view. But I won't go out of my way (to the point that I would argue to everyone or keep on pointing out why) to have all those three deleted. As I said, that was just my honest opinion. But I don't mind if those exist or otherwise. I just think they all are as reasonable as each other. If they stay, then they stay. If not, then so it is. FTWinchester (talk) 23:30, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

I do consider you as a friend and as an experienced admin. And thanks, I am flattered by that. I didn't even know you do, considering we've had so much arguments before. Anyway, that has been one of my concerns before. Many pages have more "Mentioned only" in the appearances section. But I just got on with it because that is what most people are doing. On the other hand, some important characters who appear very few times would benefit from us listing the times they were also mentioned (i.e., Eve). I don't really like to be that selective (I'm usually all should follow the law or none at all), but I think this time I could bend that rule? But the next question would be which pages are allowed the listing of "m.o." and those who aren't. Frankly, I don't mind removing all mentions, but what do you say about pages such as Eve? FTWinchester (talk) 02:28, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think I agree with that. I don't think I can edit myself, though. I'm not in the mood to edit. FTWinchester (talk) 06:04, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Oh sorry about not replying sooner, I've been trying to get a bit of work done. Any way, its just a discussion over wether Timmy's Mother belongs on the Vengeful Spirits page, I say she doesn't cause she isn't after vengence. I think its been cleared up now, but if it turns out it hasn't, I would appreciate your help.General MGD 109 (talk) 19:07, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring you. I just agreed with you, and couldn't think of anything else to add to the conversation. General MGD 109 (talk) 02:05, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: A humoungous thank you![]

Believe me, your praise is much appreciated! Thank you, btw :) RaghavD'"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide" 09:06, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Appearances[]

Sure thing, buddy. FTWinchester (talk) 00:55, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Working on it, but I'm still finding it hard to identify which characters are important enough to be saved from the purge of mentions in the Appearances section. FTWinchester (talk) 14:14, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, but I don't see much minor one-off character having appearances+mentions in their pages? Most of them are just appearances, right? FTWinchester (talk) 22:08, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yea it's kind of daunting on top of how we are yet to finish putting most articles in the past tense. And I still haven't gone back to working on the Battles categoryFTWinchester (talk) 04:15, February 18, 2014 (UTC)


i replied to your questuin, diddnt know im meant to tell you on here but on my page i replied, take a look about ducking your questions.

Princepurple (talk) 03:59, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

relied again, should i post future replies here??

Princepurple (talk) 08:23, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Books[]

My stand here remains the same--accept all or none. I understand NaiflidG's point that it seems unfair to discredit everything based on just one tiny mistake, but if there is but one mistake, how do we sort out the rest? Who's to say the supplemental information revealed only there is also erroneous? That's where it becomes difficult and subjective, and subjective is an enemy of objective canon. FTWinchester (talk) 12:04, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Jesus[]

Really? I find that really surprising. Are we talking about the Jesus in the series here? FTWinchester (talk) 00:35, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Philosophically, you can look up 'the problem/dilemma of evil' if you want those kinds of answers. Faith is very personal, so it's not really easy to explain. Thing is, I know many people would think this kind of justification is improper and not worth it, but a lot of evil acts come from choice. Human greed and selfishness. As for the victims, I am not in any way saying rape is justified, but on a grander scale, bad things like this happen because humans are flawed. Gabriel's line in the series really had a great impact to me, because despite the flaws of humans, some try to do better and overcome such imperfection and mistakes. Why does God let it happen? I don't know. The answer 'for a reason' is a cliche and is offensive to some or many people (especially the victims), but really I cannot claim to know exactly why. On the other hand, in some forms of evil, it is easier to see the 'reason' why. A lot of misfortunes in my life led to better prospects than those I was originally going for. There were times I had the worst of luck in trying something only to find out that I never needed whatever it was I was gunning for in the first place. Without failures, I wouldn't strive to be better. Without strife and conflict, I wouldn't be more forgiving, more understanding. Like I said, faith is really personal, and while this may make total sense to me, it does not equate easily to others because I'm drawing mainly from experiential information. Your point of view, your outlook in life all have to do with your faith. Do you choose to let yourself be defeated by such evils? Or do you strive harder to become a better man? And do not think this would make me hate you. Not at all. I am very respectful of others' beliefs--your religion is your own. I will give you my view and answer your questions but I will not force them to you. FTWinchester (talk) 00:56, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Like I said your choice is your own. As for the Jesus in the show, it appeared to be implied. Yes, Eve claimed Jesus was a man, but she did not disagree about the apocalypse, God (your 'Father') creating men, and angels working through Christians (Season 5 and Season 9). FTWinchester (talk) 16:13, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, yeah, you said it yourself. It was vague, so I don't know either. FTWinchester (talk) 01:24, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

He was mentioned/referenced in probably two or three episodes in one or two lines at most. Also, after Castiel said that the Bible gets it more wrong "than it does right", then it goes to show that nothing is clear about how powerful he really was. What is clear is that he is related someway to God, since even pagan deities acknowledge that Jesus was central to the new dominant religion, one that's identified with the God of the show. Even if this response is considerably longer than my last, both basically mean the same thing. FTWinchester (talk) 00:29, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

It is interesting, but I don't see how this would fit in with what we've seen in the show. God made the Leviathans and Lucifer but never did he start over. He imprisoned them, but spared them nonetheless. As for the species' name, it reads like a first-grader attempt to name a species. FTWinchester (talk) 01:10, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

You know objectively the species' name was lazy and basic. And that isn't because of your belief thing, seriously. I have told you at least three times I don't care what your religion is. Around half of my friends right now have a different religion as me and I couldn't care less. Besides, it's not like my entire response criticized you. The name was just one aspect, and the rest did not even connote anything mean. Would you rather me tell you that the name was stupid or retarded? Wouldn't that be more darkly aggressive? I don't care if you're atheist, agnostic, a muslim or a jew, 'Chuckian' sounds like it was thought of by a kid regardless. FTWinchester (talk) 01:51, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes that's exactly my point. God in this series only imprisoned them. If he wanted to start over he could easily have, and none of the imperfection would ever exist. That's why I am saying the concept does not fit in the idea of a God that retains all his works, even those that prove to be really destructive. FTWinchester (talk) 20:06, February 27, 2014 (UTC)


Sup I thought about Death vs God in the page Death it states that it's not confirmed which is stronger Death or God so...How do you know don't want to get out of hand here or have too long of a arguement just asking if for sure?

Brad Davenport (talk) 14:41, February 27, 2014 (UTC)Brad DavenportBrad Davenport (talk) 14:41, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

HI I was wondering I'm a big fan of Smallville,Originals,Vampire Diaries,Supernatural,Lab Rats and I was wondering if you could visit my wiki and tell me what you think so far or create a page or more yourself If you don't want to totally fine 

Brad Davenport (talk) 14:45, February 27, 2014 (UTC)Brad DavenportBrad Davenport (talk) 14:45, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Captives[]

I have no idea about Naomi. There wasn't much to go on to, as they gave very little information about her class/rank.

Expelling the angels probably only worked in Sam and Gadreel's case because Sam was basically dying then (unlike Lucifer's possession when Sam was really powerful and drank plenty of demon blood) and there were several external factors that wanted the vessel (Sam) to thwart the angel. I think Sam's case is more the exception than the rule, and is very much an isolated case. Current vessels of other angels might still be willing, so they did not have to wrestle with angels in their mind.

Castiel has had plenty of experiences going against fellow angels, as opposed to his brothers who often merely fought lower beings that angels could easily smite. Balthazar was also more of an intelligence angel prior to the fall, and was subservient to civil war Seraph Castiel, and thus may not have had much experience in sword fight. We've never seen archangels fight against each other using only blades other than Lucifer vs. Gabriel (and only the latter had a blade) so I'm reserving my opinion about Castiel defeating an archangel in terms of sword fighting. FTWinchester (talk) 20:05, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

I watched it. And I only said I am reserving my opinion. I wasn't judging your opinion, mate. And yea, as far as I am concerned, I have no quarrel with you. FTWinchester (talk) 20:34, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Body Manifestation Page[]

Why would you do that?!

The wiki you should visit is:

Brad Davenport (talk) 12:23, February 28, 2014 (UTC)Brad DavenportBrad Davenport (talk) 12:23, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Death's coffin[]

Is this because of the discussion on Death being locked up? I assume everything is metaphorical, pretty much like the four horsemen not actually having horses, or the seals not being literal seals themselves but events or rituals that must take place. Anything natural like metallic chains related to someone incredibly powerful as Death is pretty much not capable of deterring the horseman. Death is pretty much chill with God so I highly doubt they had to overpower him. Besides, he had reapers to run around and do his work, so Death could rest and would only need to wake up in relation to massive natural disasters, but because of or to cause them is the question for me. FTWinchester (talk) 19:09, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

You could have just have written that very little is known about it.Dragonlover553 (talk) 02:08, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to ignore you, I've just been a bit busy lately and forgot to reply to your post. Sorry, personally I'll take that as super hearing, as I don't think cosmic knowledge is that specific, that sounds more like Clairvoyancy. Don't worry, no hard feelings, just don't do it again. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:53, March 4, 2014 (UTC)


Honestly, I've been meaning to watch it but it slipped my mind until I saw your message. Maybe I'll watch it tomorrow. On the teleporation topic--wow, that's just stupid for the writers to jump into that conclusion. Like you said, there are several characters capable of teleportation. And why specifically crossroads demon? Heck, even black-eyed demons demonstrated that ability. About the timeline, NaiflidG and I have been scouring episodes. I can't say for sure if she's actually watching all episodes (she probably is, though, since she noticed some dates from news clippings), but I'm limited to reading transcripts to check for dates. I'd only watch certain episodes if I remember them containing certain clues on dates. It is hard, and you jumping in is really nice and appreciated. FTWinchester (talk) 03:41, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Oh no, even I don't know how to scour all those episodes. I am mainly giving NaiflidG a hand. I want what she wants, but I don't have enough time on my hand to do all of that. As for archangels, I've dropped any expectation since Metatron's archangel status was retracted. Like I've said before, there isn't much the show could use if it wishes to stay within the overused and heavily diluted heaven vs. hell territory. Cain and the Knights were really good attempts, but we also just got new stuff about them that do not sit in well with the rest of the lore. And we're more than half the season in and so far the only other thing we know is that spirits are stuck. There is still no clear winner on hell's election, and the angels are still factionalized (sure Bart is dead, but Malachi is still out there, and now we're pretty much back to a Castiel vs. another angel faction), and obviously, still no progress on the tablets. Pretty much it. It would appear they plan to stretch this out up to the tenth season, and frankly, that doesn't sound good at all. If that is true, Season 8-10 could be compressed to one season in terms of actual progress. The story is really incoherent and it either just goes in circles or slows down to an excruciating pace. I would think Reapers also escort monsters since reapers know how to get into Purgatory. Were Ian and Paul from Thinman? Because I still haven't seen it. FTWinchester (talk) 02:28, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's more of an influence. Otherwise, the ghost could have killed people faster if he just possessed them and made them kill themselves. FTWinchester (talk) 02:42, March 6, 2014 (UTC)


Sorry its taken so long for me to get back, you now how it is. Any one in response to your question, I think the Horsemen have always had concious, War talks about previous wars in the sense he was there, I think he was for all the wars, same with all the other horsemen, they were always there for each disaster, but they didn't take phyiscal form itself till the apocalypse came. Before that they were the concept, when the apocalpyse came Lucifer called them to him, they took physical forms and began dirrecting themselves as part of his plan. Or atleast as far as he could make them. Definatly constructs, Death had physical body when he was imprisoned, but considering it was huge and had wings I doubt its the same one he has now. Presumably they just take forms the feel will suit them.General MGD 109 (talk) 22:17, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

It does look better, I think the introduction still needs some work, I think you might be unintentionally overcomplicating it, and would recomend you simplify it a bit in some reguards. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:14, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Assuming General and I were answering the questions, I'd have to say that they must have left the bodies we saw. They seemed beyond mortality. Indeed, they could be weakened, but they more or less remain active (alive?). Although we can't say for sure, describing them as 'withered husks' usually denotes something hollow or empty, which could support the idea that they left the human visages they used. Just wondering about Death, though. If all life is yet to begin, how could death spring to existence? And if there is nothing left to die, shouldn't death itself as an event cease to exist? I personally have always thought these questions imply Death could not have preceded God, nor could Death truly remain forever. If everything is already dead, the force of death could no longer exist as it is no longer needed. The permanent state of death persists, yes, but the act or event itself metaphorically dies out as well. Just my five cents. FTWinchester (talk) 05:15, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Monster Ghosts[]

It is indeed an interesting concept they could choose to develop. It would also probably raise many questions and problems, should the writers actually choose to introduce the concept. My only confusion right now is whether purgatory has also been closed, since the tablet associated with it was concerned mainly with the leviathans? FTWinchester (talk) 05:19, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

That's true. I just wish they would try better to explain at least? I mean I really don't mind creative liberty so long as they give some nice background information. Keeping some info vague or hidden from us is nice (it keeps fans active in discussion boards and allows speculation), but if they do that to everything, it kind of just gets annoying sometimes. Naomi's type, Eve, the origin of deities, fairies, the name of other knights. But yeah, whatever, I guess. FTWinchester (talk) 10:25, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Tell me about it. FTWinchester (talk) 16:53, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Angels and God[]

To be fair, just because Metatron sat at God's feet doesn't mean he was allowed to take a look at him. And I think Uriel meant that there is no (more) God. But of course, this is just me talking like how someone looks at seasons 6 onwards to be dubiously canon. FTWinchester (talk) 04:34, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Our Wikis[]

Hey I just saw that I answered your question, but I did it wrong, so let me re-try. For the affiliation we have a link/workmark for each other's wiki on our own wikis @ the bottom of the home page. I thought, since we are both on the CW & all. You prob don't watch Reign, but I watch SPN, and most of my friends watch both shows too. Also, Torrance Coombs was on both. I can make an additional link under his credits for here too. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 08:44, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Our Wikis pt.II[]

Yes,I would like to

Hello. I was wondering if you wanted to have an affiliation with the The Flash wiki ? --~ Lorisa! (talk) 22:30, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Hello wanted to say that I have a page in Spanish supernatural if I wanted to add me to the languages.

LMMJ (talk) 01:45, April 8, 2014 (UTC)


Thanks! By the way I responded to your question in my own talk page because kessler was there as well. I did not have the time to respond on separate talk pages. FTWinchester (talk) 01:06, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Gabriel article[]

Hello Imperiex. Considering your admin status I'd like to ask you if there's any sort of template to protect pages from being edited by anons (IP users, article protection is a method common throughout several wikis to avoid vandalisms)? This regarding this recent issue about Gabriel being alive or not. It was perfectly stated that he was but an illusion and there has nothing been stated by official sources as him being alive or just not that deceased. I've been trying to keep his deceased status along with other registered users but there just seems to be a lot of anons who would like him to be alive and constantly forge statements (as well as re-shapping his entire article based on that he's alive) by replacing the deceased status with a "Alive (confirmed by producers)" yet with no reference or other source to back it up. Can something be done to avoid this converging issue? I've presented more arguments to back up my statements here in Gabriel's talk page. Thanks in advance. Winterz (talk) 17:53, April 18, 2014 (UTC)


Just Wanted 2 Thank U 4 Your Welcome Message. Much Appreciated! =)

'~♥~ Miss Royal Rose ~♥~ (talk) 23:35, April 20, 2014 (UTC')


Yes, U May Absolutely Call Me Rebecca =) & No, In Actuality I've Been Curious 2 Watch Supernatural 4 A Looong Time Now But Nvr Actually Did. I Started Watching Right From The Beginning Yesterday. I'm Currently On S01E08. I'm Here 2 Read Trivia / Notes About Episodes I've Watched & 2 Correct Grammar Mistakes, Too (Love Catching Those, lol). I Marathon Shows So It Won't Take Me Half As Long 2 Catch Up As It Normally Would. For Example: I Watched Like 9 Seasons Of "Criminal Minds" In Just Under 8 weeks.

~♥~ Miss Royal Rose ~♥~ (talk) 03:49, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Notes/Trivia Question[]

What's The Difference Between Notes & Trivia? + When You Add Those Sections Where Do You Put Them Like Inbetween What?

I Added A Notes Section On Episode Route 666 & IDK If I Did It Correctly =)

P.S. Sorry 4 The Different Signature (I'm "Miss Royal Rose"), I Just Ultimately Decided My Name Was A Better Signature.

~♥~ Rebecca ~♥~ (talk) 18:57, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Something New Now[]

While aggravatingly ticked by what's become of Kripke's brilliance, I'll watch it to it's end regardless.

Funny you should mention that. Please see my latest comment on my blog hereFTWinchester (talk) 02:23, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I didn't claim Metatron is god. I said 'playing god' and the parallels between the avatars of the show runners. But anyway, basically I really just have no love for this season/era. FTWinchester (talk) 16:49, April 27, 2014 (UTC)


Well first off I appreciate the praise! :) Thanks, it's no problem. Sadly I'll be less active come the next few months approaching summer because it's pretty booked but I'll still somewhat be here. I'd like to warn you that I haven't seen Season 9 yet, and have only read stuff about it from editing.

I have no idea why he's allowed to grow a beard. Are you referring to last season or this season? I wasn't aware that he did so I won't be of much help... Though unless his Grace was returned to him, I'm sure a beard is allowed. I've heard he's seen eating a burrito this season so, my guess is, they do eat, drink, poop and have other needs (for example, sex with April?)

I've always thought that Lucifer didn't actually "Fall," like the angels do this season, but instead he was simply banished into Hell, and "falling" is just metaphorical, like being stripped of privilege and pride. I think the reason Naomi compared the two was either an inconsistency on the showrunner's part (Carver) or she was comparing a metaphorical sense (being banished, or "falling") versus LITERALLY plunging from Heaven, if that makes sense. So considering that, I don't think Lucifer ever was downsized, or they would have mentioned it somewhere within Season 5. Also, let's not forget, there's a new showrunner now, so the rules have changed quite a lot. Also don't forget that what Metatron did was a spell, and he stole Castiel's Grace; there was never, ever any mention of Lucifer's Grace being stolen for him to be banished. I think simply God chucked him out.

So it's pretty much a spell versus God's hand. I don't think Lucifer ever had his Grace removed or his powers downsized, as such Lucifer's Cage would be a lot more painful than he makes it out to seem. Even in Season 5, it's apparent that he's at Michael's level (if not Michael being a little stronger.)

Now onto Jesse, I don't think he's nearly that powerful. Even though he's the anti-Christ, Azazel could have just used him instead of his master plan if it were that easy, seeing as the plan was perfectly coordinated (meaning it took a long, long time to figure out) and could easily have had lots of flaws. So what I'm saying is, Lucifer would never have devised the plan to free him with Azazel because he could have just gone to Jesse.

And also, it's no problem, really. It seems the Wikia is becoming more popular so hopefully there will be more people like us looking out for it. I hope I was of help and if I missed anything, just tell me. :D Gurgatory (talk) 22:15, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hey. Just thought I'd let you know I linked up out two pages on Tahmoh Penikett I just wrote in the he works on Reign and there's the same thing done on our page for Tahmoh Penikett

^ Above is not me

There's nothing to ruin. :P So much as I've heard it's really bad.. I couldn't imagine it being worse than 8, though.

As for the Cas situation, I really have no idea. Dean said "maybe" angels don't need to breathe, but Bobby didn't sound convinced (you can rewatch the scene and you'll know what I mean). I'm really not sure though. It really doesn't need to get so deep though, it's probably just Carver getting far out of what we knew as the Supernatural guidelines and is scratching it away like a Devil's trap. 

Also, what makes you think Jesse is that powerful? If you're getting this from a biblical source that's up for speculation but the show goes by different rules. So far as we know, all Jesse can do is create things with his mind, fling people across the wall and affect entire towns. That's pretty much all that was stated as he's only in one episode. I don't think we need to get that deep, he was a redundant filler character by most peoples standards. Gurgatory (talk) 04:48, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

you dont have anything for the show Leverage.Rosalyynne (talk) 16:39, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. School has eaten up my time. Yeah, I see what you mean now, I went very deep but in a kind of deeper, more unhealthy way, like what Hell would be like. :P So I know how that feels. Anyway, I guess he would be that powerful, that's probably why Lucifer wanted him on his side. As for opening his cage, I don't think they'd ever do that in the actual show, seeing as that would literally waste four seasons worth of time and brilliance, let alone what would the show be like? Would it exist? But yeah, again, wasted character potential, but they don't (didn't?) have the best of graphics so it would be extremely difficult portraying that. If you feel like you're getting too much into this show, maybe try something new, it's always good to have a fresh start. Gurgatory (talk) 23:01, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Cas' beard[]

Like I said before, I gave up on explaining lore on the fanfiction eras. But here's my two cents: the weakened angels lost more control over their hosts. Gabriel from meta fiction is a dubious source of information since we don't know which and which is not attributable to Metatron. Jesse could not open it for the reason that he needs Lucifer to walk the earth to be actually powerful, and the cage could only be opened with the seals or with the rings. Granted, Castiel/Crowley claiming to have saved Sam from within the cage is quite confusing. Of course. I just don't spend too much time here because the show sucks major ass. FTWinchester (talk) 02:14, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

That's *pardon my french* fucking stupid. Now they're making it more powerful than Death's scythe? That's absolute bullshit. And like I said above^, I said yeah, of course we are. I just act like this because I really hate what Carver has done with this beautiful show. At least Gamble had more respect to Kripke's story. FTWinchester (talk) 00:47, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

My reply[]

Well, as you probably noticed i joined today. But i only joined for a few reasons and one of those reasons was because the info wasnt updated. So i took the time to make an account to update it because it bugged me that there was no info about Dean's weapon "the first blade". Now whether or not that was an auto msg you sent is beyond me. But.. il take into consideration as in you sent it yourself. "Also.. note im graduating this year and i really havent put any thought into my writing. (excluding supernatural details because its something i care about)" So if there is something new that i have edited and is not correct my bad.. just know i tried. Anyways, if you read this thanks. for atleast taking the time to read it and if theres anything else you would like to tell me or talk about then feel free to reply.  P.s - Ty 

So, I have a question. How do you make the links, like where you click on the gold letters, for example 'Sam Winchester' and it takes you to Sam Winchester's page.

Why did you delete the Cryokinesis page? Lucifer demonstrated it. -MoonlitShadowsoftheHumanSoul

How does one become and Admin? -MoonlitShadowsoftheHumanSoul

If two beings display cryokinesis, can I re-create the page? Is there a limit for it? -MoonlitShadowsoftheHumanSoul.

On Sam's page, it says he is Half-demon. He isn't, he has demon blood inside. Huge difference. So, please can you edit that. Thanks! -MoonlitShadowsoftheHumanSoul

Check out the new Cryokinesis page. -MoonlitShadowstheHumanSoul.

Why did you delete the page? I listed four beings!

Actually, Thermokinesis is making the temperature increase, not decrease. So they actually fit better on Cryokinesis. But hey I'm just a new user so what could I possibly know? -MoonlitShadowsoftheHumanSoul.

Re: Chat[]

Terribly sorry about that. I wiped out from exhaustion because I came home late and tired from work.

While it's true that a certain saturation point will always be reached, there are several ways to delay reaching that point. Eve and the Purgatory worked as a great addition to the lore and added depth to an already great masterpiece. If they did not want to expound on that, why not use other groups of beings? Why do we have to stick to the same old formula, and butcher it at the same time? Using an angel blade was lazy, and it was almost the same as the overused "stake and decapitate" which replaced the earlier "salt and burn". Why don't they add new monsters, and new ways of killing them? Why not use more magic or spells? Instead of weapons that one-shot everything, think of something else, like the artifact prevents the user from dying, or it allows the user to duplicate himself/herself, time-travel, absorb the powers of others?

There are literally so many concepts the show hasn't used yet. Take a look at how Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel survived without being stale--they introduced new concepts that respect previously established lore and whenever they do recycle an old concept, there is always a proper new twist. However, we have the same angels and demons crap where no side has even deployed a new weapon (i.e., a legion of demons bound to one vessel? the 'alpha' hell hound, complete with three heads? A dark prophet? A corrupted angel grace used to power-up a demon?), and even if they did, they end up killing that new and powerful gun (i.e., Abaddon) in a really stupid way. Also remember that instead of angels and demons fighting, it's actually angels vs. angels along with demons vs. demons. We've done that before in Season 6! They teased this era would be about tablets, so why did they write them off as simply being taken by Metatron? The tablets could show us something more exciting, but they squandered that by killing the prophet and stashing the tablets up in Heaven. What happened to the newfound knowledge of the Men of Letters? Are they ever going to restart the order? What about the interesting organization of the Thules? Thing is, Supernatural recycles way too much and paints shit gold to make it look interesting. But shit is still shit, and they failed in thinking of new ways to spice up the classic heaven vs. hell conflict. FTWinchester (talk) 11:11, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

I honestly have no answer. I was going to say maybe it's due to a heavenly weapon but Castiel did not have access to that until 3/4 into the season. Maybe it's a spell Crowley found--he's good at those things after all. I'm guessing Dean meant that no weapon they had at the time could snag Soulstiel. Dean did call Death eventually. Frankly, I miss everything! Kripke needs to be at the helm of this show. He was closely supervising Season 6, and I believe he also wrote a few scripts, that's why season 6 remains somewhat true to the *canon* era. I honestly just want more intriguing lore and fighting, proper rock songs, car porn, nice scenery, backwater roads and towns, stories that made sense, and really intimidating opponents that don't die too easily. FTWinchester (talk) 04:19, May 25, 2014 (UTC)


I'm in the chat now if you've got time. Daedric Prince of Awesomeness (talk) 11:40, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Knights of Hell?[]

Hey, ImperiexSeed, How are you? Following the finale of each season of Supernatural there are usually many debates on what's to come for next season. One of these debates is Dean becoming a Knight of Hell. It is my understand this wiki is based on fact and I've seen no confirmation that Dean is a knight nor do I believe it myself, however I could be wrong. There seems to be many viewers and posters who believe this and thus are coming onto the wiki and classifying Dean as knight on multiple pages. Considering the season is over, and the knight arc is done for now I suggest or request that we lock the page until next season, to prevent this problem from becoming a recurring debate all summer as I'm sure many people will be logging in to give their opinions and change the status of the page. I don't think any real confirmation can come until Season 10. Please let me know how you feel about this? Bkshadows (talk)

No problem man! Thanks for responding and also thanks for your continued efforts to keep some order around here! Bkshadows (talk)


I don't think the power scale is linear like that. Like I proposed before, several criteria could be used to assess how powerful a being is. The most basic approach is viewing physical strength from magical ability. Certain beings are physically powerful but magically inept (Alphas and the Leviathans), while some are magically powerful but physically frail (witches, remember even hunters can bind Death), and while some are both powerful, they may be jacks of both but kings of none (i.e., regular angels).

Power scales in Supernatural are most likely not composed of a simple linear tier.

I haven't even taken invulnerabilities and immunities into account. Doing so would make it even more complex, and perhaps we would need a 3D graph for that. FTWinchester (talk) 01:19, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Also, thanks for unlocking the Colt page. FTWinchester (talk) 01:22, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Sad how we no longer have the heated debates we used to have, no? This show really has gotten stale and bare. FTWinchester (talk) 02:08, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Reapers and angels[]

I'll get back to you on that when I actually watch the episode. With Carver, though, it's not out of the question. Maybe he was basing it on Death being called "the archangel of death". Though it should not be the case, otherwise, Azazel should have died when he possessed Tessa. FTWinchester (talk) 17:49, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

It is very clear that reapers ARE a type of angel. Just because you don't want them to be, doesn't mean it isn't cannon.

Except Tessa was not in a vessel at that time, so there was no human body to fight over. It was just her. Also to the anon who posted here, I did say I was not sure because I haven't watched it. And yeah, enjoy the now shitty canon Supernatural is getting. How fans like you could even get sleep with all these stupid and numerous retcons, I don't even know. FTWinchester (talk) 01:03, June 3, 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I am not new to this wiki. My former username was Epakrios, but I had to create a new account thanks to my old e-mail address being deleted by accident. Before that, I had access to poll creation granted by RagavD. Is it possible to have it again? Thank you for your timeIkmeos (talk) 19:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Consensus and status quo[]

Thanks, I appreciate it. After all, this isnt just about who's right or wrong, it's also about following the policy as we should. FTWinchester (talk) 02:17, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Pretty jarred with the massive changes to the angel articles, to be honest. FTWinchester (talk) 02:32, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Course we are! I always respond to your messages, no matter how late. I do remember stil waitinng for your response about my power scale graph. I don't think I got a response to that? FTWinchester (talk) 02:45, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Dean Winchester Page[]

There's speculation on Dean's weaknesses that I can't remove because you protected the page. Its badly written and speculation and should be removed. Would you please take care of that??? Its not even written well!!!--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:48, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

hello 608 here just wondering where is everyone the wiki seems dead

Re: Castiel and Death[]

Actually, you pretty much answered your own question. That was what I was thinking as well. Castiel was focused on looking for God. After all, if God is on your side, what more could you ask for, right? FTWinchester (talk) 02:28, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Dean Winchester: Relationships[]

Hi so I'm sorry if I'm rude but I was wondering if you can change "Dean and Castiel have been proven to be more than friends they share a profound bond" back to "Dean and Castiel are friends" or "Dean and Castiel are friends, and Dean considers him a brother/family" Which ever one is fine by me. The current post is too shippy IMO. Sorry If I cause trouble.

TheTardisAndTheImpala67 (talk) 10:59, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

So I edit the Dean Winchester page in the Relationships section for Dean and Castiel. It now says "Dean and Castiel are friends; and Dean considers Castiel family" instead of the other stuff. I hope this fine. Message me. 

TheTardisAndTheImpala67 (talk) 01:48, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hey um how do you add Notes? I've found more than one ep where notes could be added but no category for it shown and I'm scared to use the table section if that's how you do it and it not be right and I screw something up. By notes I mean Like example in S6E8 Souless Sam wanted to just assume the woman was a werewolf and turn her over with no proff. Dean wasn't sure and didn't think she had time to wolf out but Sam points out that the last werewolf they encounter was in bed with him. Refering to the events in S2E17 Heart

Mew Mokuba Akari (talk) 06:15, July 18, 2014 (UTC)Mew Mokuba Akari

Hello! I would like to promote my blog (if that's okay). It isn't a personal blog. Instead, it's a blog for a good cause.  if any of you are artists or writers It would be cool if you could participate in this blog here:

Please read the latest blog post and if you are interested, feel free to contact the blogger. 

I think that this is really imortant, especially if you or someone you know is suffering from depression. Talk about your life, leave a comment about what you'd like to see from the blog/mag, send us your art. I don't want to give away too much information yet but, please help us make this project big! It could help people.

DDles (talk) 19:44, July 18, 2014 (UTC)DDles (Nicole)

I've been trying to message you for a few days, where are you??? Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 18:56, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Edit War[]

I don't want to enter another edit war, so I need you to weigh in on this. Dean.winchestor.54 is redirecting Demon Host Restoration ritual|Demon Host Restoration Ritual to Human Body Restoration Ritual. I move that this is unnecessary and erroneous, on the grounds that, 

i) the ritual was never mentioned nor showed to be capable of restoring ANY human being.

ii) the only time it was shown was for a corpse that used to be possessed by a demon

Not only is the redirection unnecessary when a completely fine and accurate page already exists, the new title is also inaccurate, since like I said above, we have no proof it could restore any human being. I tried to explain this to him but he keeps reverting his edits. I told him that major overhauls usually requires the consent/agreement of other members, if not just to be polite, but I just want to make sure this dispute is frozen until somebody else weighs in. FTWinchester (talk) 20:27, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

The angels brought back Adams body after it had been burned, but does that mean they can only bring back bodies that were eaten by ghouls? Nope... There is no evidence that it is just because she used to be possessed by a demon, Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 20:34, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

The angels have their own methods. We also have seen them revive several other humans that have died. On the other hand, that ritual has only been seen once and used on a human body that was used by a demon prior. No other references to it exist within canon, and that page was about that specific ritual. FTWinchester (talk) 20:52, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

But that is the only body they brought back that was destroyed. That was the only one, and it was eaten by a ghoul, but it doesn't mean that they can ONLY bring those back, even though that is just what has been shown. Yes, the body used to be possessed by a demon, but it was still just a HUMAN body. It was Josie's, not Abaddons.......if Sam got burned, and Crowley brought him back with a ritual, would we put it that it could only bring back people possessed by archangels? No...even though he did it to him, and he happened to be possessed by an archangel, doesn't mean it only works on them.... Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 21:01, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

WRONG. Dean was resurrected by the angels when his body was torn apart by hellhounds, and later decayed under the soil. Sam was resurrected by the angels. In fact, both Sam and Dean have been resurrected countless times. Charlie was resurrected by an angel. Bobby has been resurrected by an angel. What show are you watching? It's definitely not supernatural. Angels have proven again and again they could revive and restore a dead human's body regardless of the manner of death. That ritual hasn't. Additionally, the two really aren't comparable since the angels also revives the human itself, but the ritual only restores the physical body. FTWinchester (talk) 21:08, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sam and Dean burned the body of Adam, and the angels were able to restore it. All the other times, their body was still intact, and this is the only time that angels have brought someone back when their body was completely burned and destroyed. When they brought back Josie's body, it was just a body. There was no demon in it, or anything like that. They just brought back a HUMAN body. Abaddon possessed it AFTER The ritual was complete. There is no evidence that the body NEEDED to have been possessed by a demon in its life. Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 21:14, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

In the beginning God reigned in Heaven with the Leviathans?[]

hey Imperiex, just asking a few users around here their opinions on whether or not the leviathans were in heaven. Some user put this information up and this is the first ive seen or heard of this theory ever. Based on the companion which not only states they were creatures of the sea that possess other animals to live on land, but death also states God was afraid they chomp the "petri dish". So God was afraid the leviathans were going to eat and devour heaven itself? do you see where im going with this? I understand angels were created before the earth and leviathan before angels. But was there ever a confirmed canon of WHEN the earth was created exactly created? isn't it more than possible the leviathans were roaming the earth threating creation. love to hear YOUR thoughts and opinion.


And where would your debate with him be? I would like to see the points.

See, my only problem here is that a lot of rituals in Supernatural-verse are goal-specific (controlling a reaper, preventing a human from being re-ensouled, etc). When making pages for rituals and spells, I dare not claim it could be used for anything else other than what was shown in the show, unless it has been mentioned/referenced to do so. That specific spell has only been used and seen once, and it was used for a human body that was previously possessed by a demon. Even RaghavD didn't think there was a problem with it when we were both making/editing the page. His claims against angels being able to do the same is irrelevant and off tangent, because angels have performed restoration of human bodies that died under different manners a number of times, and so it is logical to say the angelic ability is not limited by a specific manner of death. Again, the ritual was only used once, and only on a body recently possessed by a demon. To say it could be used on other ways is an assumption on your part. Additionally, angels are an entirely different league from demons, and angels could perform the act with just their innate ability, and not through a ritual. 

It is therefore, safer to believe that the spell can only be used for what I claim it is. I'm just following canon. FTWinchester (talk) 00:49, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I won't say my debate, but I will say one of the points I made

Let's say Sam was killed and reduced to ashes. Crowley preforms a ritual that brings Sam's physical body back. Should we call that the "archangel vessel restoration ritual"? No....just because the ritual was done on him, and he happens to be the vessel of an archangel, doesn't mean the ritual is only for archangel's the same with this ritual...there is no evidence that the reason this ritual worked on Josie, was because she was onced possessed by a demon. Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 01:56, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you guys know that RaghavD agrees with me and that his response is on my talk page. FTWinchester (talk) 00:14, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Photo Deletion Request[]

Hi, I was trying to upload a vector of the tattoo the brothers have, and I realized I uploaded the wrong ones. I tried replacing them, and I waited since the wikia saysit takes a few minutes, but they never correctly replaced the images. So I had to upload whole new ones. Since you're an admin, could you kindly  delete the older 2(PNG+JPG) versions of the tattoo vector :) Winchester7314 (talk) 21:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Only active admin[]

Could you please change your bio, so it doesn't say you're the only active admin? Thanks :) EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:53, August 11, 2014 (UTC)


Do you have to add licenses and stuff to pictures because I haven't been doing that. I'm just curious.

I've been trying to make a character template on my profile for a while and I didn't know how, but a friend of mine from a wiki tryed to help me with it. He was able to get everything to work except for the pic. He's from the Disney Infinity Wiki and was able to make a successful character template on his and the pic worked, but the Dean from Folsom Prison Blues doing Blue Steel (my profile pic) is the picture I want to put, but my friend said for some reason he can't get it to work. What does he need to do? 

(I added a link to his userpage so you can see his character template. I want to do something like his, but with Blue Steel Dean as my pic)Wildesheer9876 02:37, August 24, 2014 (UTC)User:Wildesheer9876

thank you for inviting me[]

ohh thank you, i am now using wiki as MXViper. 

i have also edited Prophet's page can you see it and tell me if it right or wrong? thank you :D

MXViper (talk) 18:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

i am very curious guy so i have to ask you what is your predictions for season 10?????? :D


Excuse me sir, a rather rude user named Moleman9000 is deleting my messages on another person's talkpage. I was merely defending a friend who cannot defend themselves and presenting thier side of the story but Moleman9000 continues to censor me. (Süßigkeiten-Joviana (talk) 20:33, September 17, 2014 (UTC))

Troll notification[]

Please ban User:Süßigkeiten-Joviana immediately. It is a sockpuppet (or otherwise an associate) of a longtime cyberbully created to subvert my efforts in coordination with a fellow admin here to have said bully brought to justice (which only needed to come to this should–be–unrelated site in the first place due to the intervention of the same bullies on the more relevant sites of the issue's origin). Moleman 9000 20:47, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Reposting from earlier[]

I'm contacting you on behalf of a friend of mine getting bullied by Reson. The R EsonX issue has been going on for quite a long time. R eson has been cyberstalking her over various sites for over a year, probably closer to two years now. He has done such things as relentlessly bully her friends both online and over the phone, (I have recordings of him yelling at people and calling them idiots), and its clear that he is bringing his drama to your wikia. Only reason I am posting is because I know that R eson obsessively stalks joviana's accounts, and would revert any requests for help she makes.

Ivankomarov91 (talk) 22:05, October 1, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Bro. It's pretty chill here, how are things with you? I'm SOOO excited for the new season! So close, yet so far. I was out when you invited me to meet you on chat, but if your still on, Id love to talk. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:27, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Ill be back for a little while, if you want to chat now EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:18, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

He keeps reverting edits that I make to other people's talk pages, that is, not his talkpages, but other people such as General MGD and a you yourself. He keeps trying to censor me and even called me a cunt because he believes that I'm an ex-friend of his that he gets into fights with offline when I only know that person as a friend and hardly anything about him. Süßigkeiten-Joviana (talk) 02:58, October 2, 2014 (UTC)


I'm not "tormenting" anyone, they are tormenting me and lying about it. I'm just trying to get away from this right now. Moleman 9000 14:34, October 2, 2014 (UTC)


Hello, I was wondering if you wanted to have an affiliation with the Reign wiki. I know I asked you this one before, and I think you agreed, but I don't always get notices when someone write me back. Italic text

(This was my previous answer I believe you agreed to)
For the affiliation we have a link/workmark for each other's wiki on our own wikis @ the bottom of the home page. I thought, since we are both on the CW & drama's it would be perfect. You prob don't watch Reign, but I watch SPN, and most of my friends watch both shows too. Also, Torrance Coombs was on both. I can make an additional link under his credits for here too. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 08:44, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Magic Page[]

Very busy so short messages. Some users keep adding personal beliefs and opinionated descriptions to the Magic page I made. I left a headline in my edit, only canon none bias info as according to policies here. I thought, I would inform you. And very busy these day so not on wikia a lot.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 21:53, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Locked Template[]

Please don't forget to add the Template:Locked on locked pages. Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 01:10, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


Hello, thanks for the welcome!

This is actually the first wikia I've signed up for and edited pages on, so I hope I didn't do too bad. I joined when I noticed that there wasn't much information on the Cole Trenton page after I finished watching episode 3 of Season 10. I decided I might aswell do something about it.

Thanks again for the welcome, and I'll make sure to ask you if I have any questions.

Hi! How to add picture in the template? Thanks!

Kaylaah (talk) 00:05, October 31, 2014 (UTC) Kaylaah


Why arent comment sections at the bottom of the pages? A lot of other wikis do it, I would be on this wiki more often if there were comments at the bottom bc people to comment discuss the show, I also think it would bring more people to the wiki, so basically I was just wondering how come there isnt any comment sections. Thanks

Killer kev (talk) 04:19, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Unneeded category[]

Ah, thanks for letting me know! Haven't been here in a while and I see it has changed a little. Thanks, again. ^___^ Gourgeist (talk) 01:53, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ImperiexSeed for introducing me to this wiki, I hope to create new pages and editing pages to make then better. I'm a huge fan of Supernatural xD. I do expect more of demon Dean as he still has the Mark of Cain.

Epicshawty (talk) 01:28, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the welcome. If/when I find any articles written in the present tense, I'll be sure to change them right away!

By the way, you are a guy that is always right, but you live 'in in' a place.

Hey I am new to this page , and I would love to know more about your idea and ways in which you are planning to exPand it . Hope you get back to me . And I would love to know you .         Winchester 007 (talk) 18:46, November 7, 2014 (UTC) 


Wow. I show you that an average of over 95% of the wiki doesn't want you to be an admin anymore, and you completely ignore it. How typical of you. Instead of maning up and giving up your rights, becuase that's what the average majority of the wiki wants, you are being stubborn, selfish, petty, and unwilling to respect the wishes of the wiki community. You need to stop stalling, and respect the wishes of the community, which are that you be demoted... EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 05:07, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Please meet me on chat.... EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 05:21, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


Wow, you left the chat room?! You are being so selfish that you are ignoring the community's decision. If you give two sh*ts about this wiki, you will respect the decision of the community, and give up the rights. By not giving them up, you are showing that you only care about yourself. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 06:42, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Please meet me back on chat EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 06:50, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

I honestly can't believe how selfish you are being. You obviously don't care about the wiki, and only care about yourself. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 06:57, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Please message me back on Facebook, we need to take in private... EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:11, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Inperiexseed, there are some people who keep addin Destiel stuff on Castiel's page. Since you are an admin, can you please protect the page, they are vry annoying! LittleOl'Me (talk) 02:28, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Your profile says your an admin, so you might want to change that so people don't get confuzled and think you are. LittleOl'Me (talk) 02:34, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Destiel Fandom[]

Will do. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 02:36, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Done. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 02:42, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Imperiex when you find some time please message me on chat. we need to talk. Bkshadows (talk)


You want me to respond here or on the blog?--NaiflidG (talk) 06:03, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Most other fans took that as a reference to many of Sam's love interests turning out to be dead / evil, but I guess you could read it that way, too. It's fine, dude, I don't care that much.--NaiflidG (talk) 06:14, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Right back atcha, dude. I apologize for calling you "odd"; not having the same views that I do doesn't make you odd, and I realize now that the things I said were rude and unnecessary, so I hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I know we don't always agree, but at least it makes for some interesting discussions. I'll try to keep that in mind next time we disagree over something.--NaiflidG (talk) 06:30, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


Please meet me on chat if you have the chance EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:13, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


Hi Imperiex, as much as it seems that Empyrean created sockpuppet accounts, I highly doubt he created more than the two mentioned, much less forty accounts all for the sake of a poll. Though polls are not fully adequate, the overwhelming majority indicates that the community isn't comfortable with you having the tools. Your past history of power abuse and general immaturity are also rather concerning. Please realise that it takes time to write a message and I had to reply to other users before I could get to yours. Juvenile acts like edit-spamming my talk page only reflect poorly on you. All things considered, it would be foolish of me to sysop you again. That being said, if you can get can 4/5 other established users to vouch for you and post their support here, I will return the tools to your account. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 03:51, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

You really need to stop demanding an instantaneous response like a belligerent child. I have other demands on my time and even if I could only reply to your message tomorrow, there is no reason to continually edit-spam me for a response. Exercise a little patience please. Calebchiam Talk 03:55, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

On Omnipotence[]

I don't think it's necessary to block him yet. We'll revert his edits for the time being and explain why we list omipotence. We bring the discussion to talk pages and try to see if we could do some consensus. His other edits were reasonable, so I don't think he is purposefully vandalizing. I'll try to talk to the anon. FTWinchester (talk) 18:25, November 29, 2014 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for the welcome back, it's good to be back. Sorry, I don't have time to meet on Facebook right now. And there isn't any evidence that he can hear everything on Earth, so it can't be included. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 17:41, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I sent you a message on FaceBook. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 18:19, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Meet me on Facebook when you can. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 22:22, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

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Please message me on Facebook, I would like to have a civil, calm discussion with you. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 22:11, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Bully report[]

Please ban both User:Gentle-Willowtree and User:JaneSmithfield, both sockpuppets of the vicious cyberbully Willow Giovanna. Moleman 9000 21:31, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Again, PLEASE ban and network-report this bully, which is currently continually fooling another admin out of doing so with their bare-faced lies. Moleman 9000 00:24, December 24, 2014 (UTC)


Merry Christmas, Riex. - OJOLara (talk) 05:12, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

I've been great. I've just been lving life. Had a few family deaths over the past couple of years, but I've muddled through. It's great talking to you, Riex. I was thinking about you and wanted to wish you a merry christmas. OJOLara (talk) 16:37, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Ruby's Vessel[]

I personally wouldn't take that fallacious jump for two main reasons:

(i) the vessel was a character, no matter how minor, and the creation of a page has a precedent, see: Eve's vessel

(ii) unless dogs and bees somehow have been revealed to be tied in to the supernatural (i.e., having powers we don't see in dogs and bees in real life) or they showed a significant deviation from real-life dogs/bees, then I wouldn't really think they are worth the page.

I do think the specific dog Dean bonded with in Season 9 is worth a page, though. FTWinchester (talk) 12:24, December 27, 2014 (UTC)


Please, I have one more thing I need to say to you on FB, and then I will leave you alone, swear. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:02, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Look ImperiexSeed, I know you have the right to your opinion, and that's fine, but this has gotten to the point where it is very very annoying. We get it, you hate Sam. You have the right to your opinion, and you can share that opinion. But as of now, it seems like you are just doing it out of spite, and it is getting really old. Putting your "I hate sam speech" and the "you suck" picture that the tippy top of your profile is very over the top, even if you do hate him that much. We all love Sam, and think he is great, and it's fine if you don't agree with us, but please stop trying to redundantly get it across how much you hate him. It's really annoying and getting really old, and I'm sure the other users agree with me. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 14:50, February 6, 2015 (UTC

Thanks. Btw, don't you think it was redundant to put your "I hate sam" speech on the very top of your profile page? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:39, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

They could have made it a whole lot better. And I'm still upset about the MOC thing. 03:06, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've wanted them to do this for a long time now, and it had so much potential, but they really screwed up big time. I think that since Deans soul went into his 14 year old body, his body didn't show the mark of Cain, but his soul was still branded with it. It still had a hold on Dean, and effected him, but he didn't feel it, because he thought it was completely gone (the placebo effect). EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:05, February 7, 2015 (UTC)


Oh, hey, I'm terribly sorry, I don't watch the show anymore. :'D Mostly because I haven't found the time and - well, reactions like these from Carver twisting the show - unless you're happy about the preview. Gourgeist (talk) 22:28, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Cas's holy white light[]

I saw your comment about Cas's white light not effecting Cain on Gourgeist's talk page, and thought I would leave you my input. Since Cas's smighting power had no effect on Alastair, his Holy White light wouldn't have any effect on Cain, as he is stronger than Alastair. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:22, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Itchy Demons[]

When Crowley was walking away from Rowena is "The Executioners Song" he started to scratch his neck, indicated that his neck was itchy. Why the hell would a demon get itchy? Let me know your thoughts on the matter. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:13, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Sam[]

I like Sam because he is awesome. Granted, I like Dean more than Sam, but I still really like Sam. No one on the wiki sees why you hate Sam so much. You call him the "Jigglypuff" of the winchesters, yet he has done a crapload of things worthy of admiration. He overcame Lucifer, an archangel, and threw him into Hell, he cast an angel out of his body, he cured Dean from being a demon, etc. Also, that "blind demon" was one of the most powerful demons we have seen on the show, capable of raising everything the winchester have ever hunted. He would have beaten Dean as well. Also, as I recall it, without Sam coming up with the blood mask idea, Dean would have gotten killed. I know I keep repeating this next one, but that is because you keep ignoring it. Dean (with the mark of Cain) was knocked to the ground by a couple of werewolves, while Sam (with a broken arm) was able to kill both of them. Sam is pretty damn awesome, and your low opinion of him makes no sense :/ EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:50, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

But Sam didn't even get beaten by the blind waitress; He sent her back to Hell. Anyways, my points above still stand. Sam is pretty damn awesome. I'm doing good. Nothing much has changed over here. I'm glad you're doing well, and am happy you found a job. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 13:50, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Page Standard[]

Any topic or subject that exists within the canon that we have information on could have its own page, especially when not given ample focus on other pages that could potentially cover it. If the concern is that it appears as a stub, changing the manner of writing could help.

Calebchiam confirmed this with me last July 2013, on my talk page.

Hi FTWinchester, the Wiki term for what you are describing is granularity, and for Wikis, the policy we follow is that we create individual pages for all the things within a certain category.

Ruby's article is her own and focuses on her character. Adding too much information about the vessel on Ruby's page is a bit off tangent. The vessel has been seen countless times, even moreso than someone like Eve's vessel, which to be honest, I don't have any problems with. I'm not saying all vessels should have their pages (like vessels of generic random angels that are introduced and die in the same episode), but the significant ones or those used by significant beings could definitely have their own. FTWinchester (talk) 03:04, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Seraphs and high-tier demons[]

As you know, I don't believe their is any difference between Seraphim and "normal Angels", as there is nothing suggesting this. All angels have different power levels, and therefore, different levels of strength, and abilities. I believe that lower seraphim, such a Samandriel and Uriel, would be bested by high-tier demons, such as Alastair and Lilith. I believe that the highest seraphim, such as Zacheriah, could beat and most likely kill high-tier demons. I think that Cain, being as powerful as he is, would beat any seraph, and would only be beated by an Archangel. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:47, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Please stop[]

You said that you were going to stop spreading your "I hate Sam" propaganda across the wiki, yet you keep doing it. If you really hate Sam, then you are entitled to your opinion, but if thats what this was really about, you would'nt be doing what you are doing. At most, you would put one to two sentences about it at the middle-bottom of your page. Putting your "I hate Sam" speech and picture at the top of your page, and dwelling upon the subject in your blogs shows that you are just doing this out of spite. It has gotten past the point where you are just sharing you are opinion, and is now showing that you are just trying to annoy the users who like Sam (everyone but you). As you said you would before, please stop. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 22:10, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

  • As EmpyreanSmoke said, it might be best if you let your hatred of Sam off this wiki, or in your user blog. Showing your bias against Sam shouldn't be done in the article, as it is not being impartial. Keeping your own personal opinion in your blog should be fine, but when it bleeds into articles, it could upset people reading who disagree with you. If you don't like Sam, just ignore his article or something. Trip391 (talk) 06:29, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
    • Remember, you should only put your bias against Sam in your blog. Rewriting an article to change what happened in an episode is incorrect. Trip391 (talk) 23:28, April 24, 2015 (UTC)
      • Actually, she thanked them both, if you watch the episode. I know you have a difficult time comprehending things that happen on Supernatural sometimes because you hate Sam, but most of the time, the two brothers get the job done through teamwork. Sure, in some episodes one brother does a little more in an episode, and the other brother does a little more in another episode, but all in all they are brothers, with their own strengths and weaknesses. By working together, they are able to be safer, and get the job done easier than if they both worked alone. I don't know, and don't care, why you don't like Sam, but just because you don't like a specific character, you can't just write whatever you want because, as you feel, "Sam sucks". As a wiki, everything has to be written without bias. Since you hate Sam and love Dean, do you think articles should be written about how amazing Sam is, and how much Dean sucks? No, because those are biased, and don't belong on a wiki about Supernatural as they do not accurately portray what occurs in an episode. If you want to go make a biased wiki where you write articles about how much Sam sucks or whatever, you can go do that. But as a wiki about Supernatural itself (not about your favorite/least favorite character), all the articles should be written from a non-biased point-of-view. I'm sure there's even forums where people complain about how much they don't like certain characters as well, but besides your blog, this is not the place for that. Trip391 (talk) 23:51, April 24, 2015 (UTC)
        • Looks like you missed a part of the ending of Family Remains when you were watching. You wrote that she shakes Dean's hands and thanks him, but for whatever reason you left out the part from the same scene where she thanked Sam and shook his hand as well. Trip391 (talk) 05:08, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
          • I actually did just watch that scene on Netflix, and both her and her husband thanked both brothers, that's including Sam who helped in keeping what was left of their family safe, and shook both of their hands. Trip391 (talk) 05:18, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


because they're trying to bolster and equalize Sam to Dean (when the show makes it clear that Dean's the center of everything). Tell me how is this not bias? Can you show me evidence that, supports your claim. I don't mean subjective episodes that are Dean-themed. Because, then I can show you the same logic, with episodes that are Sam-themed.

I mean evidence, like interviews with Cast and Crew. Or confirmation by Show creator or Showrunner. Because, as far as I am considered they haven't unless I missed something. Remember your blogs are free to address your opinions, but not the articles. They should only have non opinions on their information Data. Now specific episodes or character interactions, can be written that are more Dean OR Sam themed if they revolve around in those episodes. Imperiex, and this goes for the other two. People that come here when they read the articles, what they want is canon information that isn't bias. They don't want info not your opinions, that is what blogs or talk pages are for if they want ideas or opinions. Now, if I see this edit-war continue I will take action. So think about what I said.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 13:02, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Let's end this[]

Hey Imperiex, I know that we ended things on bad terms, and we have been very snappy towards eachother lately, but I don't want it to be like this anymore. I apoligize for the way I've been acting towards you, and want to put this fued behind us. I don't hate you, and don't want us to be hostile towards each other any longer. I want us to be friendly towards each other, and treat each other nicely. I think this would work out best for you, me, and the wiki as a whole. Imagine where we edit peacefully on the wiki, and even talk to each other without resentment or hate. That would be really awesome, and I want to achieve that. Can we talk on Facebook for a few minutes? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:00, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I unblocked you. Please unblock me so we can talk. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:08, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

What? I'm not blocking you, but it won't let me reply to the convo, and it won't even let me view your profile.

Re: Sam[]

Alright, I'll look into it. FTWinchester (talk) 12:19, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Sam bias, again[]

Please stop putting your bias on this site. I've asked you before, other users have asked you before, and admins have asked you before. Nobody cares that you don't like Sam or Jared. If you want to complain about them, leave that in your blog, since that doesn't affect most of the people who come to the site to read about Supernatural, not why Imperiexseed doesn't like Sam/Jared. That is your personal opinion, so it should remain in your user blog, not on the mainspace of the wiki (if you read the third to last sentence that Twilight Despair 5 wrote to you the other day, he says exactly that). Trip391 (talk) 04:36, May 10, 2015 (UTC)


Another user, has stated to me that you have once again allowed your personal views to affect the edits on the official pages. I am calming requesting, you keep all opinions to blogs, talk/message pages, or to fanon wikis. Episodes that specifically favor Sam or Dean in whatever circumstances, you or anyone can add those episode details to pages. But, you can't say which one in the series is better on the official pages. As that is your opinions, and some people disagree with you. Now, if this continues I will ask the other admins to consider taking action if it warrants it. I am not upset or being harsh, but this has to stop.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 16:59, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Another Chance?[]

Hey, ImperiexSeed. After I lost my admin rights a while back, CalebChiam said that later on, if the community was alright with it, he would return my rights. It has been nearly half a year since then, and I am requesting my rights back. I am leaving a message on the talk pages of established users, to see who is and isn't alright with me becoming an admin again. Twilight Despair 5 said that he is willing to give me another chance, and said he sees that I have improved since that time. RaghavD said he wouldn't be comfortable with me being an admin, however. FTWinchester said that the wikia needs a lot of help, and would be comfortable with me having rights, but he is unsure about the admin rights. I know we've had bumps along the road, but I'm glad we are friends again. Please, will you give me another shot at being an admin? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:31, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Answer and Question[]

I did reply to your question about villians just on my talk page by mistake. Also, should the Darkness be listed on these two Pages, Magic and Deities?

1. I think as a primordial supernatural force, it literally is a magical force so can be listed as a type of magic.

2. This is more unlikely than the Magic page. As I stated before a primordial force, can it be considered as a deity? Or no as I am a but torn as the Darkness doesn't seem like something that was ever worshipped. But due to its age and power it still can be one, like how many Revere forces.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:19, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

As for a standard for each seasons many villian, then it should the most predominate one. But, the Darkness was called by Death as I quote (A terrible destructive amoral force.) So it's a force, at least by that count. I am not saying it's not premature to list them on the pages yet. Hence why I am asking, for your opinion. I don't want to go through of all the trouble of listing any canon on pages that others might think don't necessary fall under.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 02:36, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

S5 Little Bads[]

Is there really any need to list all four of the horsemen separately? If we are gonna list War, who only appeared once, then I see it only fitting to at least list Meg, too. Which to be honest I would say Meg should be listed since she was the secondary antag of the first half of the season. Tysonjackson (talk) 03:08, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Re: S5 Little Bads[]

I replied to your message but on my wall. Tysonjackson (talk) 03:29, May 26, 2015 (UTC)


Oh, okay, well in that case goodbye. This is a bit of a surprise, but I understand its your decision. Now I know I don't come to this wiki as often as I once did, but I've appreciated your help and friendship over the years, and I will miss you.

Best of luck.--General MGD 109 (talk) 10:53, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re: A special thanks and goodbye![]

I'm sorry to hear that you've decided to leave, but if you believe you'll be more comfortable without that source of negativity for you, then perhaps it's for the best. Thank you for your contributions to the wikia over the years, Imperiex, and good luck! NaiflidG (talk) 06:07, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Several years after and you are still credited with the most number of edits. My response is late, but is no less genuine--I wish you well on whatever endeavor you choose to take. FTWinchester (talk) 03:11, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Sam bias, still[]

Imperiex, you are the only one being biased. Multiple users and admins have discussed this with you. Leave the bias in your blogs, because nobody cares. Also, is there a reason you keep undoing the part of my edit that has nothing to do with your bias against Sam? Trip391 (talk) 01:15, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

  • Write whatever you want here; the fact that you hate Sam and Jared, the fact that you love Dean and think he's the hero of Supernatural, your blog is where your opinions belong, Trip391 (talk) 01:26, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Again? Look Seed. As long as your opinion don't say on the Sam or Dean page that their only one has ever been a hero or villain than we good. Btw a true hero isn't known nor does he accept praise. Yes, Sam fails more times to be heroic but Dean does too. He failed to let Sam or Castiel to cure him of being a demon and look how many ppl he killed. No matter what kind of pain you go through it cannot take away free-will. He choose to be a demon. If Dean truly was a hero like you said, no matter how painful it would have been to resist the demon he was he could have but he didn't. Now Sam in the same shoes, no I don't think he would have did different as a demon. See, I can give opinion and interpret facts to support my own conclusion, Too.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 12:38, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, yet another message about your bias. I am going to check page histories and see what if any action needs to be taken. I will also ask the other admins to look at the histories of the pages that are causing this. But for your sake, I would reframe from adding personal views or interpretation of facts in the articles. Cause if you can do it we all can. This is not a Fanon its a show wikia we make the articles about the (canon) information in an unbiased manner. If you want to make articles about how you see Dean as better or more heroic than Sam, I suggest starting a Supernatural Fanon or Fan-fiction wiki. Cause, getting message about the bias and undoing clean-up edits in an edit war is getting old fast. [[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:12, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sam Bias Bull Sh*t[]

Imperiex, shut the hell up. Me, and every other person on the wikia is tired of your bull sh*t. You said you were done with this Sam hating crap, and now you're back at it again. I am going to have to ask an admin to ban you, because it looks like you won't stop. Leave me the hell alone, as you are the one who stormed off on Facebook because I said "K", and stop filling this wikia with your bias hate crap. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:25, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

RE: The Darkness[]

I thought you weren't going to watch the show anymore? Anyways, I am very very very very much looking forward to the Darkness! While I am still unsure if it will actually be female (might be just choice of words), I'm kind of bummed it will be taking human form. With him saying "she" when describing it, and saying it will have a human face, my bet is that Amara is a manifestation of the darkness. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:00, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still here, just working on something. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:33, July 14, 2015 (UTC)


I think it has to do with how much grace is left within the vessel, after it is removed. As you know, when an angel leaves its vessel, it leaves behind grace, so I think that the reason angels still have some power when they become human is because they have a tiny bit of grace. Anna took her own grave, so it's possible that there was more that remained inside her. Also, Castiels abilities seemed to very, because it was made clear that he didn't have supernatural perception, yet he recognized the Rit Zien, Ephriem. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:58, July 14, 2015 (UTC)


Plz meet me on Facebook EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 06:51, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Natural Order[]

I either think that the natural order was brought up by the darkness, or always existed. I think that God created everything that he did from nothing, using reality warping. And yeah, I think that the darkness is what created God and Death, as well as the other deities. No, they never made Death out to be a character with no beginning, as he said in "Two Minutes to Midnite" that he didn't know whether him or God came first, which means he had a beginning. No, I don't think that they have had Death appear too often. Out of 10 23 episode seasons, he has only appeared in 5 episodes. I think that is just about right. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 07:46, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok stop harassing Empyrean. If he really is stalking I'll deal with it, but that comment on my talk page is enough for a ban as its Harashment of a User.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 19:17, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Two Week Ban.[]

I am issuing a temporary ban of two weeks. It has cooled down some, but you still have caused problems. I am giving you this ban more so you can collect your thoughts and put things into perspective. Also so other uses don't get over zealous wanting you to have a longer to a permanent ban and so they can cook down too. However, if this continue after your ban another one will be issued for one year. I believe this fair. However I'll try to not ban talk page edits so you can still ask questions, and if you want another to hear your case they can.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:08, August 2, 2015 (UTC)


She doesn't know, she doesn't deal with that stuff. It will probably be out this month though. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:24, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


Yes, I am very much looking forward to season 11, and also think it will be great! I really hope they bring back God and Lucifer, that would really make my year. Lol. I've been doing pretty good, and yourself?

(Btw, last time we talked you stormed out of FB and blocked me, so how were we cool?) EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 02:26, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, season 11 will definitely be interesting. I read the same article about Sam and Dean having latent powers, but reading it, the cast or crew never said anything suggesting that. Did you see the sneak peak for season 11? If you, do you think those black veined "zombie looking things were part of a filler episode, or part of how the darkness manifests? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 21:49, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re: We should request adminship[]

I agree, the wikia definitely needs more admins to clean this mess up. I actually set up a RFA page a while ago, and totally forgot about that. You should make one of your own, and we each comment on each other's. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 17:15, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Alright. You can find mine on the RFA page under "Current Requests"; You should know add your username there as well. We should add a comment on each other's RFA page. I need to get back to school now, but I will later. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 18:02, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

RFA page[]

Hey, ImperiexSeed. How's it going? I set up an RFA a while back when I was thinking about befoming an admin again, and forgot that I made the page until now. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the page? Thanks so much. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:21, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Link me plz to your own RFA page. I couldn't find yours so I posted my decision for your request on his cause I thought it was a co-owned one.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:17, September 20, 2015 (UTC)


Do you wanna meet on FB? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:26, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'll take that as a no. If you do, message me there. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 05:48, September 21, 2015 (UTC)


My response is on your blog. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:40, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Gabriel apporting Sam and Dean's blood[]

I'm pretty sure that he wasn't able to. Kali had cast a spell with it, and so he couldnt interfere with it. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:24, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Archangels can't do everything, Imperiex. If Gabriel could apport his and the Winchester's blood, than he would have. But since he didn't, I think it's pretty clear that he couldn't. Kali had her spell over their blood, so Gabriel couldn't have apported it to him. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:38, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Hell Hounds and Daevas[]

I would think that Hell Hounds are just the retconned versions of Hell Hounds. They are both demonic entities, they both appear as shadows to physical beings, they both can be controlled by demons, etc. If they are different beings, then I would agree that Hell Hounds are stronger. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:10, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

The Elders Scrolls: Supernatural mod[]

Hey ImperiexSeed, the story sounds interesting so far, there is a object quite similar to The Word of God in Skyirm, The Eye of Magnus: - maybe that could also be considered as The Word of God.

When you guys have the story, I need some things to know: 

- Do you want Lucifer's physical appearance to be a literally Dragon, than I think appearance would fit. (It is quite easy to construct a human form of him as well, similiar to his Nick vessel)

- I need to know his abilities and weaknesses (What may not kill, but effect him: Physical weapons, Physical weapons with magical extensions, is he vulnerable to spells, ...)

- Does he speak at all (We could integrate his aufo files from the series, but I am uncertain about the copyright in that case) ? 

- How to start the quest, what triggers it. 

- All the locations the story takes place (It is possible to create new locations - just takes more time)

- The protagonist: While it is Dean Winchester, a mod should not just override the player's character name. 

- I can't think it is rather unwise to deactivate the player's magic abilities, because some players like to take 

a break and make something different during a quest. In Skyrim there is no need to finish a Quest at once

If I forget something (and I probably have) I will add it later. Lambda1 (talk) 21:46, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

I knew I forget some something: You can also play as a female character, so if Dean's the main character, one would need to backUp the previous character set, this is possible, however I would like to avoid this. In many cases it would be necessary to change the characters race as well, since you can play as an Argonian Khajiit, ... so there is no way to change a Khajiit's appearance into that of a humanoid race (Nord, Imperials, ...) without changing the race and therefore basic character settings. If you can somehow avoid using Dean as the main character it would be better, if not, it's still possible but more risky. Lambda1 (talk) 20:16, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

"How is any of that speculation? if it can kill death, then byextension, it CAN kill ANYTHING except the Darkness and maybe theKnights."

No, thats illogical: Just because my knee is aching everytime it starts to rain, it still won't start raining when I hurt my knee.

Or, easier: If a baker in a small village sells ALL his bread everyday, that doesn't proof that by extension he would still sell ALL his bread every day, if he'd started baking a hundred times more bread each day.

And just because Death can be killed with his scythe, it doesn't necessarily prove anything else can be killed with it, it just proves that Death isn't immune to his own powers/weapon.

In fact, that he could be killed, may even prove the opposite. If Death had absolut control of the "power of killing", he couldn't be killed against his will, even by surprise, proving that his power isn't absolute. So the scythes powers wouldn't be either.

That is, if he has been killed at all, and not only his vessel or physical form or whatever has been destroyed. Would have been a bit easy that way. Also, if Death isn't completely destroyed, just killed, shouln't he just be able to ressurrect himself? Anyway, what has happened in the last episode makes at least the last point in the trivia completely pointless.

The Scythe is proven to kill reapers, and said to kill angels and demons as well. But thats it. Whatever Death tells about his own abilities does not necessarily mean, that they are also a property of his scythe, especially if used by someone else.

By the way, while acording to Death nothing can kill Dean while bearing the Mark, Death claims afterwards, that he could remove the Mark, but won't do so without another host to pass the Mark on, because it could break without a host. So effectively he could destroy the Mark and kill Dean in a two step process. That doesn't seem impossible to me at all, he just don't wants the Darkness to be freed.

Also, if you don't need the vulnerabilties section to say something that has already been mentioned elsewhere, or is otherwise redundant, you don't need the powers section etc. to do the same.

Just my two cents. But do whatever you like, I won't start an edit war for further speculations on something fictional. Life is to short. 20:26, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Season 11 Title Card

New Wiki main image if you're interested. I found it on reddit:


Hey, Imperiex. Can you please comment on my new blog so we can finally reach a consensus? Thanks. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:22, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Tonight's episode[]

It was great, feels like the beginning of Season 5. Everything is apocalyptic, mysterious and it was really thrilling, so far much better than season 8 and 9 combined. Lambda1 (talk) 02:39, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Cain's power[]

Assuming that Castiel was not as strong as in season 7, why did he said he was back at full power ? That could very well be a reference to his seraph version, except for the wings. Well, the fight between Gadreel and Sam was in Sam's mind so things are different. Sam overpowered Lucifer mentally, so it's not really suprising that he could overpower Gadreel. Sam could not even die in his mind, evidenced by the fact that Crowley shot him. I think punching an angel is still like punching steel and the angels only lost their wings and therefore their ability to fly. I don't deny that archangels have far better magical abilities, especially when it comes to healing their vessels injuries, they could probably destroy Cain's vessel easily, but if Cain stands behind Gabriel, puts his hand on Gabriels head and channels the power of The Darkness, as least partially... maybe we would see a red glow. I may be wrong though, but as of now, I consider this more reasonable. Lambda1 (talk) 20:58, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

That is rediculous. God made the archangels so they could be a threat to the darkness itself. God made the archangels immune to it's power. So if The Darkness using all of it's power, couldn't smite the archangels, then I don't believe Cain with the mark, which may or may give the bearer a portion of The Darkness's power, could kill an archangel. You're highly overestimating Cain. The most he's ever showed he could smite are black eyed demons. How in the blue hell does that translate to"He could smite archangels"? On top of that He viewed Lucifer as higher than him. Sure Cain was exceptionally powerful, but The God, you're making him out to be? Not even close.


Hey man. What happened? I thought you were an admin. You were a very good one. Why aren't you an admin anymore?

Re: Famine is not dead[]

Shouldn't we distinguish between the attributes and their physical manifestations ? It's obvious that the humans in Supernatural can still get ill, so "famine" as nothing more than a term to express that people can have diseases is still existent. But it was never mentioned, that the terms (conscious) physical manifestation aka the horseman "famine" is still alive. I could also argue that Chronos is still alive because there is still time in supernatural. We could create a page for the attribute "famine" though. --Lambda1 (talk) 23:30, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Well, he was not the first character who said something like this. I only want to know where this "attributes" argumentation is coming from. Which episode or official source states it ? If you can provide such a source, I am willing to accept it. It still stays - according to the "attribute" argumentation I could also say: there is still the "attribute" time in Supernatural, Chronos is also only "Incapacitated". --Lambda1 (talk) 23:59, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

There are still some things to consider:
  • If you can't distinguish between the attribute and the physical manifestation: People still die in SPN, the attribute "Death" is still around. Since, according to your statement, the attribute is the same as the physical manifestation, Death would be still around and was never killed. You basically already mentioned this: "although the solidness of this is a little wobbly now that it's been shown that death's scythe can kill Horsemen." - at least Bille gave some hints about a new Death.
  • Brady sad the horsemen are in a bad condition. I would understand this for Pestilence and Famine, but for War ? The horseman War should have been really in an excellent condition during the apocalypse (despite the lose of one finger), since his attribute prospered all around the globe.
  • Even if War can't be killed (this could also simply mean that he is amortal, which does not always implicate indestructible), Famine and Pestilence never said something like this. Well, and Death was seemingly quit wrong about lasting forever. So then, has War a higher invulnerability than Death ? I don't think it's accurate to assume this.
--Lambda1 (talk) 12:49, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Omnipresence conversation[]

I think you misunderstand me, you have not offended me in some way. Just because I don't agree with you on some matter doesn't implicate I have some personal problem with you and I can't see any indication for such an assumption on the omnipresence page, otherwise refer to the specific statement and I will declare it as not meant to be offensive. So - everything is fine. Lambda1 (talk) 08:41, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

So then, we should shift further conversation over to the omnipresence page, it makes it easier for readers to follow the discussion, furthermore we haven't established consensus yet. Lambda1 (talk) 02:47, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
"Who'd win in a fight, Arthur the aardvark and Franklin the turtle vs Sam?" I don't no either of them. Lambda1 (talk) 02:55, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
Well, I never watched those shows, the only series I regulary followed back then were x- files and pkmn, but that was long ago. Lambda1 (talk) 03:19, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Why do you have a Jensen Ackles and Genevieve Padelecki gallery?

Indeed on the other guy, do you hate Jared Padelecki again or just his character? I remember when you tried to trick the mods and admins so did you give up on that or something?

You do know who is in what relationship irl right?[]

You do know that Genevieve is married to Jared Padaleki right? For some reason you seem to think she is in a relationship with Jensen Ackles.

I'm not talking about Jimmy Novak or whether he died from Raphael or Lucifer, I'm talking about the change from Raphael to Lucifer when the whole sentence talked about how he was resurrected by God and helped Sam, Dean and Bobby derail the apocalypse, which is what happened in Lucifer Rising/Sympathy for the Devil. That was what I meant when I reverted it, Raphael killed Castiel then, not Lucifer. Lucifer did so at the end of it all, in Swan Song. again, that's what I meant.

Jimmy has nothing to do with what I was talking about Gabriel456 (talk) 20:17, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

truth about you[]

you know u are one hell of an asshole? they must fuking ban you biased son of a bitch. you are nothing like dean fuking dishwasher


You are a biased son of a bitch You are a fuking loser and you cannot accept any shit you dirty shit mother fucker


This again? Ok I'll review everything, but even if your right to put it. You shouldn't focus on just how some say in a few episodes that he isn't a hero or good person. I mean why bring grief to yourself. But I'll review, if the info is canon and not written past the character's opinion of Sam, it can stay.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 02:25, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

why do you continue to do this?[]

Please stop your ridiculous hate speech about all things Sam. I must again remind you of your apology and question where this went.

Also, go for it with the Admins, you are not exactly their most liked person and while I might get banned you will be known for being a troll who sees only his own point of view. Here is my user profile btw. --Kaestal (talk) 22:50, January 4, 2016 (UTC) If the admins deem to ban me I accept this, but know that they don't like you either.

I know, and all I'm trying to do is accosting to you guys and tell you that this behavior is surely over! I apologize and am incredibly sorry for all the totally awful, horrible and repugnant things I've said about Sam, who I have an alacrity to say he is a kind, strong, and intelligent character who anyone should look up to. September 20, 2015 by ImperiexSeed

Who else thinks he should leave?[]

Almost everyone on the wikia is fed up with Seed, many of us are tired of his rants about Sam and refusal to admit he is wrong about all of his points. ImperiexSeed also has a creepy part of his profile page where he thinks that Jensen Ackles and Genevieve Padaleckiare in a relationship. Leave your comments below Kaestal (talk) 03:25, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I'm surprised he hasn't been banned already. Other than him filling up the news feed (articles and blogs) with Sam hatred, he has said terrible things to people such as "Jared should suck donkey balls", called another user a "douche", and told us to go "fuc& ourselves". We should all vote here for him to be kicked out. Light bearer (talk) 03:29, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad they banned him, he hopefully never comes back. He also annoyed almost the whole Arrow Wikia and was banned as well. 18:58, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

He was a motherfucker started edit wars and fucked the wikia up with empyrean smoke

It Came[]

I said to keep bias opinions and writing styles out of articles, and you agreed to keep it on your blogs. But know you broke the policy in earnest. "A lot of people in the series prefer Dean over Sam, such as John, Castiel, Bobby, Charlie, Jo, Ellen, Mary, Ash, Pamela, and more." This was on Dean's page. Bobby alone thought of Sam as a son like with Dean. I could go on but no point. Hence forth ImperiexSeed, you are blocked of the span of a year. Have a nice day.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 13:37, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed on by another Admin. I have reduced your block from one year to March 1, 2016.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 17:56, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Twilight Despair 5[]

Hey man, can you please unblock me, I promise I won't hate on Sam anymore. You have my word. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:07 AM, September 19th 2016

Do you need Twilight specifically? Or will any admin do? Because I'm one of the two new admins, I'm not familiar with your case, but maybe I can review it. Twilight hasn't been active in over ten days, if you want I can post on his wall for you, and link him here. Well him, or another active senior Admin. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:53, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Zane, I am familiar with this case. There is no way to unblock ImperiexSeed after what he has done to wiki. He caused edit wars, his edits were made of pure speculation, he abused many users and post pictures/comments that were hate themed towards Sam everywhere, even in blogs and actual pages. Blaziken and me barely cleaned the false informations in months that were caused by him and EmpyreanSmoke, another former admin. His punishment was for a year and still I think that was less of what he deserved. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:28, September 19, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I know Seraph. He's infamous, I wanted to see if he would take advantage of my presumed ignorance. I'm well aware of his reputation, and I'm in favor of an infinite ban. He abused the admin powers he was intrusted with. I wanted to see if he'd try to lie to, or manipulate me. Think of it as a sting operation. I'm also in favor of removing EmpyreanSmokes rollback rights, which he somehow still has. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:18, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

I actually didn't abuse my admin powers here, as I didn't need them for what I was doing. Thing is, pretty much everyone here just ignores my points on the matter, but I am willing to stop splurging Sam hate everywhere, so please unblock me. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:46 PM, September 19th 2016
Even if I did unblock you it would be with the consent of the four other admins, who would outvote my opposition. You still abused others, jeopardized the integrity of the wiki. You wanted to bash Sam Winchesters character, find another website. You have proven yourself untrustworthy, unreliable. You don't seem to realize two admins believe you deserve worse punishment. I'm not unblocking you, I'm in favor of infinite banning of you. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:54, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Can I be given a second chance, like EmpyreanSmoke?[]

Admins, can I be given a second chance, as EmpyreanSmoke was just given one? And while I stand firm in my position about Sam, I can not make any edits about him, I would just like a second chance. And bear in mind that I haven't done anything worse than what EmpyreanSmoke has done. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:38 PM, October 12th 2016

Do you intend to serve out the rest of your punishment? Because Smoke did, without complaint as far as I'm aware. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:44, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

I'm looking to be unblocked, like EmpyreanSmoke was. I would like another chance, and am even willing to stop making edits about Sam. Please. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:48 PM, October 14th 2016
I'm not an admin, but you said that before your current block was enacted and couldn't keep your promise. Your block history here and on other wikis shows you have a remarkable lack of self-control and don't change your attitude, no matter what. Based on that information, were it up to me, you'd remain banned until the end of time.
Orion (T-B-C) 19:17, October 14, 2016 (UTC)
Imperiex get over it. You can't trick any other users with your promises. Just wait until your block ends and then you will be free to edit. Of course if you do a mistake, even a little one, the Empty awaits as Billie said. And nothing comes back from it. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:26, October 14, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
I've investigated the matter, Smoke wasn't unblocked. He served it, without complaint and without asking to be released from an EXTREMELY merciful punishment. You haven't apologized, you have attempted to justify your actions. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:31, October 14, 2016 (UTC)
Look, I am sorry for the stuff I've done. I shouldn't have gone as far as I did nor should I have kept repeating myself continuously. I love this wiki and want to get back to editing here, so please unblock me. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:49 PM, October 29th 2016
If you can convince the other admins, who were here and therefore actual victims to unblock you. I wont oppose it. IMO I have no right, I'm not a victim of your actions. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:01, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
Hey Zane T 69, can you please make a blog for me asking all admins to give their stance on whether I should be given another chance? Thanks! -- ImperiexSeed, 3:13 AM, October 30th 2016
I don't see any reason to waste the community's time when nothing new is up for discussion apart from a blocked user asserting that he doesn't wish to be blocked. A community discussion will be raised if there is some mitigating factor that was not considered during the original blocking and requires further discussion, or if other members of the community think that the block time should be shortened. In other words, let's talk if another member of the community is willing to nominate you for unblocking, otherwise we're done here. Calebchiam Talk 07:33, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
No way. Wait until your punishment ends. If it was up to me, I'd block you permanently after the damage you caused to this wiki. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:12, October 30, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Can we talk?[]

Hey Imperiex, it's been a long time. I know we've had our differences in the past and we have both said things to eachother that we're not ok. Can we please talk on Facebook? I would like to apologize and patch things up; I don't want to leave things as they are now. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:01, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm on chat. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 03:50, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

I guess we missed eachother last night but if you still want to chat I'm available today so let me know. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:06, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I'm on chat. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:58, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

To ALL admins![]

I am sorry for the stuff I've done! I shouldn't have gone as far as I did nor should I have kept repeating myself continuously. I love this wiki and want to get back to editing here, so please can you give me another chance? -- ImperiexSeed, 12:04 AM, October 30th 2016

I hope your sincere, but I suppose only time will tell. Thank you, for the congratulations. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:11, February 1, 2017 (UTC)


Every contributers edits are being watched. Even the most trusted ones. You on the other hand, aren't an exactly trustworthy fella. It took months to clear the mess you and EmpyreanSmoke created. If you enter a certain information without speculation, then it wouldn't be undone. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:13, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Yes I am stalking your edits and I will stalk your edits. If you don't like this situation don't edit at the first place. But if you edit correctly then there is no reason to worry about me stalking your edits huh? SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:21, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Checking edits and undoing the wrong ones are against policies? You gotta be kiddin me. Here is your chance, you are unblocked and can edit freely. But as we do with every other single contributer, all edits are being watched. Should I remind the edit wars last time? It isn't something special against you. Also if it was up to me, I'd give you a pemanent block but here you are unblocked. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:31, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Seraph is right, all edits are being watched no one is exempt. Your edits were reverted for good reasons: speculation, bias towards your own point of view. You haven't even been given an official warning, but I see that you already deem yourself a victim that everybody is persecuting and are falling back into old habits.

OFFICIAL WARNING: Quit putting speculation into articles. This wiki is bigger than you and your ego, and I will do my best to ensure it's a great and reliable resource that users can enjoy being on. When you and Smoke left and Seraph and I became an Admins, more users joined or returned. I won't have them driven away again. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:59, February 3, 2017 (UTC)


You can go with the staff. The thing you wrote is your own personal opinion, theory. This wiki is not a place to insert your own views to canon-based articles. If you want to share your opinion we have talk pages and blogs for that. Last time you started doing this, you messed up over hundreds of articles. I know since I checked and clear them all. For example You made Zachariah a Seraph. You even made up that writers confirmed him to be a Seraph. Over the years you haven't changed a bit and still doing that. This is your last warning, if you put any speculation on any article you will be blocked for a month, and then if you keep doing this a perma block awaits you. You can complain however you'd like to. You can report me if you wish. Every single member on this community knows the things you have done, you are doing. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:14, February 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

You already received 2 warnings from admins, both of the active ones. I say if you put a single speculation on any article one more time, you will be blocked for a month. You can try to provoke me, trust me it won't work. We don't allow speculation around here. In case you want an "official warning" on your talk page here it is

OFFICIAL WARNING 2: You have been keep putting your own ideas, theories on Horsemen page, Trivia section. Previously, Zane T 69 warned you for the same reason. Stop adding speculation on articles or you will be blocked for a month. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:31, February 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re:Reapers are Angels[]

I have been well-aware of the retcon since it was made, but I was recently informed by Zane T 69 that it was only speculative as Cass had suggested, but not confirmed Reapers were angels. But has since clarified his realization that he had misunderstood the validity of the retcon. Thanks anyway, ImperiexSeed. 22:32, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, they can. I provided a reason for reverting your edit. I do my job here, please quit complaining. I'm not here to hold your hand every time you get your feelings hurt. I've tried being patient and kind, but you just haven't changed and put another Dean loving biased statement. Cain had thousands of years of combat experience. Dean still had far less than that, so of course, Cain would be much more challenging; even for such a combat capable person. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:44, February 15, 2017 (UTC)

You have been blocked[]

You have been blocked permanently as per this community discussion. Calebchiam Talk 03:10, February 24, 2017 (UTC)