Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Telekinesis page.
Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help you with anything!
Also note that we are in the process of converting articles written in the present tense to the past tense. So you are welcome to edit any such article you come across. Once again, Welcome! WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:24, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

how many times do we need to block you for making new accounts before you go away? If I am mistaken I am sorry, I don't think I am though.--ThomasNealy (talk) 05:30, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Who are you talking about. --Spnfan079 (talk) 05:35, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

The other 6 accounts that all share the same names and post history. I realize that that message is rude but frankly I'm out of kindness and understanding for the day. and if this account is a sock of SJB then I really am not sorry.--ThomasNealy (talk) 05:37, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Who is sjb--Spnfan079 (talk) 05:39, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Adam344 Supernaturalfan7 Stevenbritton23 Joseph3519 Steven Britton Sjb6759

considering your current name and what you edited I have very little trouble believing that you are the same person as above. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:41, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

I don’t know what he or she has done but I can assure you I’m not them.

Well if I turn out to be wrong then you will have my heartfelt and sincere apology. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:52, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Ok sir and I look forward to graciously accepting. --Spnfan079 (talk) 05:54, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

inserting false info

Please stop trying to insert false info in to the telekinetic ability page. In Lucifer Rising it was revealed that it is a natural ability. This is the second time you have done this. please stop. --ThomasNealy (talk) 03:15, February 1, 2018 (UTC)


Thanks.--ThomasNealy (talk) 23:07, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

No problem. --Spnfan079 (talk) 23:48, February 2, 2018 (UTC)


Please use short links. It makes the page easier to load. Using the source mode for editing would also really help. Thanks!  Dtol (talk) 11:07, February 3, 2018 (UTC)


From your recent edits to the occultation page, please use short links. If you have any problems/queries, please ask. Dtol (talk) 11:19, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

How do I use short links. Spnfan079 (talk) 11:22, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

If you edit by source mode, you can see the way the links are set out. Instead of long links, they are commonly written as Angels or Demons, etc. Hope that helps. Dtol (talk) 11:24, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

Oh ok. Spnfan079 (talk) 11:28, February 4, 2018 (UTC)


Just wanted to say that while I'm not totally sure, I think I set it so that only registered users can edit on here now. I'm relatively new at this whole Admin thing and am still figuring out parts of it. Hopefully I got that one right.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:29, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

what the hell is going on Spnfan079 (talk) 05:40, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

well we seem to be under attack and based on the message on the admin board this is aimed at Zane. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:47, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Who did he piss off. Spnfan079 (talk) 06:02, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

The same person I said you were. You have better had been honest about not being him. Wika is now watching this wiki. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:04, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

You still believe I’m that person WOW this is what I get. Why are you picking on me I know I have terrible edits,but really. Spnfan079 (talk) 06:10, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

it is nothing personal. but the message said the attacker was blocked for multiple accounts. and you share an unforchent amount similarities with the guy. Same name pattern, same edit patern (early in your history), and same favorite wikis. the stevie wiki. --ThomasNealy (talk) 06:14, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

I’m not those users. If I was whoever you are talking about explain how I’m not Blocked I’m not those people of you do it again I will report you. Hoping you are well. Spnfan079 (talk) 06:20, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Fun fact: I'm an Admin and I don't know whether or not you are this person but I think all of what happened tonight needs to be looked at very closely. I tend to side with Thomas fyi and given what I saw on the Admin Noticeboard, Zane at least seems to suspect you from that previous time. All too coincidental if you ask me. You becoming a suspect both times something like this has happened.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:56, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Excuse me, I don't mean to disturb you or bother you but I wanted to say that I needed to finish the plot of Devil's bargain as I edit the plot days ago but couldn't finish it. I'm sorry that I had to undo your edit and ignored your advice but I had to complete it since it was bothering me. I promise not to cause you more trouble like this again.(Kingdevo215 (talk) 09:09, February 12, 2018 (UTC))

No need for that ALL Editors are equal. I should have check and seen who started the plot my bad. Spnfan079 (talk) 09:14, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

forgot to sign

you forgot to sign the topic on Jacks page. --ThomasNealy (talk) 04:58, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Correction Invulnerability - Jack section --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:00, March 1, 2018 (UTC)


I would but that's just normal grace extraction since his grace is not like others. I don't see how they could cut his neck and get it. but I'm not sure on that ritual. It really is a grey area. maybe clarify it as a theory based on the ritual but unsure if it can be taken in a normal way. ( would have thought we would have to talk about stealing grace in a normal way. the show has gotten so weird.) if someone has an issue with it we can always take it to the talk page. You would have my support for it. --ThomasNealy (talk) 05:29, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

I started a topic on it Talk:Jack_(Nephilim)#Grace_extraction --ThomasNealy (talk) 19:37, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

I don't have the power to lock the page, I can only rollback. Gabriel456 (talk) 21:41, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

A Most Holy Man Proof

proof —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spnfan079 (talkcontribs)

You're supposed to add these to the articles as references, or at least put them in your edit summaries. Nobody's gonna think "Well, he must've put it on his talk page" and come check this out. Also, why do you capitalize random words in your summaries? It just looks weird.

Orion (T-B-C) 23:10, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

To make it stand out and be noticed. Spnfan079 (talk) 23:23, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

Tracking Spell

Sure - do you want to make a discussion on it? I just brought it over from the Nephilim page. It wasn't something I just thought of. Dtol (talk) 17:18, March 8, 2018 (UTC)


I think it's different on the power pages, but on the character pages, there's basic, advanced and highly advanced, I think. Dtol (talk) 21:34, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

Sure - it seems like it. If you want, since he's in the same category as Gabriel and the Archangls, you can change their pages to Highly Advanced too. Dtol (talk) 21:40, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

I just thought that since he could cause a Prince of Hell pain while bound by the Cage's extremely heavy warding with telepathy and that he could reach from the Cage to Earth while bound, that merited as Highly Advanced, but I don't mind either way. Dtol (talk) 23:56, March 9, 2018 (UTC)


Sorry about that. I added references to the page. Dtol (talk) 10:55, March 10, 2018 (UTC)


I'd suggest asking Zane about that. I don't really know how to do that or if there's some rule attached to it I should follow. But I do think it should be closed. Frankly beyond that spell being used to track down Jack, I don't see how its a weakness. That just seemed kind of ridiculous. Which user came up with that one again??? Cause I got a guy on here who seems to be adding some rather nonsensical things or at least don't make sense to be added and left me a rather rude message on my talk page when I called him out on it. Wonder if its the same guy???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:42, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

So not the same guy then. But there really is someone on here doing stupid things like I said. Just look at my talk page before your messages. He was linking something with the Bible (I think from Abandon All Hope...) to Bobby's Panic Room which as I said makes no sense and then getting pissy when I called him on it!!! If your gonna do something like that, at least make sure the link is right!!!--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 07:36, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

I'll close it in a week, I'm suppose to give people more time to get involved too. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:36, March 12, 2018 (UTC)


Yeah, sorry about that. Dtol (talk) 16:10, March 17, 2018 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for providing the photos, but could you please rename them so that they fit the style of photo naming on the wikia? E.g. ScoobyNatural 01.jpg/png, etc Dtol (talk) 00:12, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

Not sure what the problem with the undo button is, but find the preferred version on the pages history, click on it, edit it (you won't have to actually change anything), and then save the older unflawed version. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:48, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

Or reply on this talk page or mine with which version is the one you want saved and I can do it. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:11, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

Please revert revision 337719 thanks. Is there a way I can get rollback also. Dominic1743 (talk) 05:22, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

It's possible, but Rollback wouldn't fix that. It undoes a series of edits by one user and not a series of edits by multiple users. Editing and saving an old version is used for that. As for Rollback and privileges in general, I've withheld giving you any due to previous claims of being wikia/fandom staff and your profile claiming your occupation at Community Central. I have yet to find any evidence that you actually are and promoting you would make you a reflection upon the wiki.... If you truly are affiliated/employed by Wikia/Fandom, then please provide some online proof; i'm not asking for personal details, but I need to know that you're genuine. If not, then please remove the false claim. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:58, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

Then you are now a Rollback. This allows you to undo every edit a user made in a row, but if some are good then you will need to edit and save an older preferred version. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:07, February 4, 2019 (UTC)

I locked several non-talk pages, but talk pages unfortunately must remain open. Do you know how to protect pages, delete, restore pages? Zane T 69 (talk) 21:07, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

You do now. We're at war and being targeted. You are now a Content Moderator Zane T 69 (talk) 21:17, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

No, sorry. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:58, February 8, 2019 (UTC)


Hey, saw your question on Zane's talk page, so thought I'd quickly answer it while I'm here. You do not have the ability to block users as you are not an administrator. In case you were planning to ask, you can only be made an administrator if you pass an RfA - a two-week process for established users. Nonetheless, thanks for helping out with the vandalism deletion and cleanup in the past few hours. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 04:59, February 8, 2019 (UTC)

Hey, easy mistake to make but be careful with those rollbacks. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 05:31, February 8, 2019 (UTC)
Red links can stay, unless they're for nonsense pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:21, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

That would be preferable, but it was an honest mistake so I'll do the first six pages you changed and you can do the most recent. It was done with good intentions so I'll help. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:27, February 10, 2019 (UTC)


Anyone can self-nominate for adminship - as per the instructions on Supernatural Wiki:Requests for adminship. Calebchiam Talk 05:25, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Page protection

Hey Dominic, frankly, there is no point protecting these pages post-vandalism. There are >4000 mainspace articles on the Wiki - and all of them are possible targets for vandalism. Protecting one and not the rest therefore does not do anything, and the protection will be lifted at some point in the future because we want legitimate users (whether anonymous or logged in) to be able to edit / move these pages when the need arises. There is hence little gain to be had from protecting these pages, and it will create work for admins in the future. I recognize you are trying to help and appreciate the effort, but the protection is unnecessary. Thanks. Calebchiam Talk 05:40, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, as you've continued to protect pages despite the above message, as seen here and here, consider this a formal warning to please stop protecting pages indiscriminately. We leave pages unprotected because our policy is to allow all editors to edit, whether anonymous or logged-in, because we do get useful edits and contributions even from anonymous users. This is why we do not enable the feature to disable anonymous editing. By setting indefinite protection for these pages indiscriminately, you are essentially steadily disabling editing privileges for anonymous and non-autoconfirmed users. Further actions of this kind will result in your Content Moderator tools being removed, and possibly a block being given. I will undo your page protections when I get the time, or you may do so yourself. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 05:54, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Admin Noticeboard

I didn't know that the comment belongs to the talk page, I used it for the first time. I was too busy with the vandal to notice that and was alone no active admins and content mods. Mgdodl (talk) 09:42, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

When you get a chance can you enter our wikis chat? I'd like to discuss the wiki and get opinions on a plan of mine. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:18, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

I like the new template. Great work. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:54, February 12, 2019 (UTC)

You'd actually need their permission or just let them add it themselves. I can't justly give you permission to do that. You're free to ask them about it and offer though. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:04, February 13, 2019 (UTC)


Thanks - but I have no real need for these since the information is already present in the user banner. Calebchiam Talk 03:00, February 13, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the template! :) Dtol (talk) 18:58, February 13, 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Do you have an idea, how to delete the marked comments from the speedy deletion category ? --Mgdodl (talk) 19:49, February 13, 2019 (UTC)


No it's alright, you aren't out of line; it's perfectly fine for anyone to question my decisions, and I appreciate it if people are able to tell me when I'm wrong. In this case, the user has been blocked in the past for removing content from pages and adding inappropriate tags. Most of their edits has been undone, and they were blocked on 12/02/19 for defacing articles for one week. The edits they made today seemed to me like those they made before the block, but I agree that I may have been a little too hasty. I will lift the block and give them a chance, but if their behaviour persists, I will reblock them.

Thanks! :) Dtol (talk) 22:06, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

The season summaries arent from a website, they are from the back of each DVD set

(Chayne Doss (talk) 00:17, March 1, 2019 (UTC))

Have you been deleting used categories without removing them from pages and images? Zane T 69 (talk) 15:36, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

I figured that it was an honest mistake on your part. You aren't in trouble and it will not effect your reputation. I just wanted to make sure that you knew about it and learn if it was intentional, accidental, or if you merely intended to finish later. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:08, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

I would ask the other admins first. Don’t want to go changing a lot of things, having for it to be undone later.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 21:12, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

I need to be neutral in it to close the discussion. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:53, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

Only Admins can edit the wiki navigation. What changes do you propose? Zane T 69 (talk) 13:51, March 18, 2019 (UTC)

Okay, done. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:39, March 18, 2019 (UTC)

I updated Community Corner some and fixed the link. You should have the highest level of rights to edit blogs and articles, it being an admins blogs may have been the cause. I can't just give admin rights, even if I feel you would be a great one. I do advise you to wait a few months and keep up your good work. It has been noticed and is giving you a good history of constructive, tedious, and previously neglected edits. That would help you in an RFA. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:02, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of 'unused' redirects

Hey, I noticed you deleted the redirect for Jack yesterday - though it was redirected to Jack (Bad Boys) at the time. Jack is a pretty common search query, for Jack Kline (Nephilim), so you should leave the redirect alone unless you are certain that no one would use it. Redirects are cheap to have and make it easier for users to search the Wiki without knowing the actual names of articles, so there's not much reason to do maintenance on that end, for the most part. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 00:11, March 20, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I went through the deletion log. Some of the deletions are fair (e.g. the numeric 6.01-type deletions), but a bunch of them do not make sense. Please review the Community Redirect article and then review your past deletions - if you're not sure what redirects are for. They are primarily for helping users in searches, less so as links in articles. Calebchiam Talk 00:41, March 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hey, bro. It looks like you deleted the  file, 


If you would be as so kind as to put that back, it messed up the main page.

This file is for the Title Bars in the main page otherwise they would be white, did you read the comment in the "file history" or the summary in the "about" section ? --Mgdodl (talk) 07:54, April 6, 2019 (UTC)

Any idea how many images there are left to sort into the image category? Zane T 69 (talk) 23:28, April 9, 2019 (UTC)

I didn't know there were that many, but great work so far. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:09, April 10, 2019 (UTC)

Angel' Wings

Hey dude, I would like to ask for your opinion on a topic ? --Mgdodl (talk) 01:52, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

Hey sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if you can help me add categories to pages since you are a expert in this field. The page names are on Zane's talk page. Thanks Jack3869 (talk) 21:07, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Jack3869 (talk) 02:57, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I shouldn't use my cell phone, when I'm in the Wiki, the chance is higher that I press the wrong button. --Mgdodl (talk) 04:24, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the Items template. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:22, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Done, thanks for reminding me. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:39, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Top Bar

Hey sorry to bother you, but I was wondering when you have time could you remove Nick as the main character and Jack since his status isn’t confirmed yet? Jack3869 (talk) 09:14, May 5, 2019 (UTC)


Can I have your opinion on two topics ?--Mgdodl (talk) 14:40, May 11, 2019 (UTC)

So, what do you think about Elemental Control thing ?--Mgdodl (talk) 16:13, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

The category for Alona Tal images the images category are both okay and long-standing categories. I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve there. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:58, July 12, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Blog

An RFA does require consensus to get admin/sysop rights. I can't just give you admin rights. Though I will state that there are few things that you can't do as far as permissions go as a Content Mod and Discussion Mod. If you want to be an admin then you are free to start an RFA, but I will state that Touchinos has one open which is something that you might want to consider and possibly support if you trust in his judgement and feel that he's also deserving. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:24, October 25, 2019 (UTC)

Join the Discussion

Hello! I'm only dropping by to say that there is currently an active request for adminship going on here and it would be lovely if you get involved! Thanks. Touchinos (talk) 01:12, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

Mass Delete

It's basically the files from Mother's Little Helper to Do You Believe In Miracles? for now. I have the replacements ready to upload to the wiki. Touchinos (talk) 03:37, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

It looks useful, but I'm pretty bad at coding and that would be something for Caleb to do. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:21, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

Okay, it's done. Sorry about the wait, I was out doing errands. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:19, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Mass Delete

Hey, from Heartache to Torn and Frayed. Thank you! Touchinos (talk) 08:33, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

I'm gonna upload the rest of the pictures within the day and edit the episodes. I'm currently not in my house. Thanks. Touchinos (talk) 09:54, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for helping me. I'm gonna upload the rest of the pictures to the wiki tomorrow morning (it's 9pm here) because I still have a paper to write. Please don't do anything, I'm actually having fun doing it. Thank you again! Touchinos (talk) 13:12, November 6, 2019 (UTC)


Hi, hello, can I bother you again? I'm going to upload the pictures of LARP and the Real Girl to Man's Best Friend With Benefits. Can you please delete the existing pictures? Thanks. Touchinos (talk) 11:56, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

No need! I’ll continue them tomorrow. Can you tell me how to mass delete the files though? So that I don’t have to bother you again and again. Touchinos (talk) 13:31, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Archive

We can wait until it's at 50k bytes. Despite its important function its a low traffic page due to admin activity and the wiki being well defended. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:46, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:00, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

I didn't want to chance losing all the info so I opted for a more theoretically stable method of archiving. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:35, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

I'd rather not mess with it. The crisis is averted and it would be wasted energy that I could devote to other matters. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:38, November 14, 2019 (UTC)
Don't, it would make you look less mature, and according to an admin on another wiki that I co-manage it may be the thread based forums that get deleted because we apparently have the wiki-style forums already. If that's true then the archives will still be useful, but we need to make sure and that means not playing with infrastructure that might still be useful. I may have misunderstood the Fandom Staff guy's reply, but the only way to make sure is to wait and see. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:34, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

You may wanna consider reminding people of your RFA without encouraging a result. I extended its time, but it has 6 days left. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:46, December 5, 2019 (UTC)

Your RFA was successful and if you have any questions feel free to ask myself or another active Admin or B-crat. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:25, December 10, 2019 (UTC)


Hey, I'm still under the block. I'm only able to write this here because I've changed IP. SonOfEve (talk) 17:45, December 11, 2019 (UTC)

The Souls of Hell

Can we please create a page for the spirits from hell freed from Chuck. Finally there is a page of it in the Super Wiki. Above all, these spirits seem to be more powerful than ordinary spirits, but weaker than demons. This is because they were in hell compared to most spirits but were not fully converted to demons? Anonyme Tät (talk) 14:09, December 15, 2019 (UTC)

"The End" Timeline

I'd like to talk with you and the others admin about the timeline appeared in "The End". Zachariah brought Dean into the future, not in an alternate universe, that would have been impossible, he wasn't that strong. So it's just a timeline, not a universe. Since Dean and Sam changed the future, that possible timeline doesn't exist now. Can we specify that? Especially in "Archangels" and "Rulers" pages. Because everyone here acts like there is an actual universe where Lucifer won the Apocalypse. Thanks. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 12:24, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your approval. Tomorrow I'll start to edit the pages, like Alternate Universes, Alternate Timelines, Alternate Universe (The End) and the others. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 19:19, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

It was actualy said in interviews that the End Universe is another reality that still exist. Chamuel88 (talk) 19:14, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Ben Edlund and Eric Kripke said that it wasn't time travel but an alternate universe. The reason for that is because in the original script it was time travel but later they chaged it to an AU. Chamuel88 (talk) 19:42, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

I read that on twitter Ben Edlund said the same thing when a fan ask him about it, i don't know when it happenned but taking that and also the previous info plus DVD commentary about the episode support that it is an AU. Chamuel88 (talk) 19:54, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

That is not another Universe, it's impossible for a simple, even if powerful, angel like Zachariah to make a dimensional rift for another reality. It's just a time travel. It happened before that the writers messed up with something, like in season 8 when Crowley talked with Naomi about Babilonia and they recognized the mistake. Despite what they might have said, it's just a matter of logic. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 21:37, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Then the same applies to the french mistake universe to with they compare to the end universe. The point is that they changed the script and that is all that matters.Chamuel88 (talk) 22:06, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Balthazar wasn't an archangel and he was the one who send Sam and Dean to an AU in season 6, also don't forget how AW Michael defeated Lucifer and won the Apocalypse even when S&D didn't existed. All this it's just some of the aspects of the shows lore that is canon despite the fact that contradicts itself for some reason and we can't just pick what is true and what is not.Chamuel88 (talk) 22:19, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

You know, i find suspicious that you joined the wiki today, you made just 8 edits till now and all of them are about this topic, the exact day we started editing the pages on this wiki after years. You're not a troll, are you? Because I searched on the internet, and I didn't find anything the suggest it was an actual alternate universe, and the producers/writers confirmed that. But if you find it and you post it here, I'll guess I'm wrong, even if from a logical point of view it's an alternate timeline and not a universe. And Balthazar used a powerful spell, just like they did in season 13. Evidently the spell they used required different ingredients, the seal of Solomon, the archangel grace, and the other stuffs. Malthael Archangel of Death (talk) 22:43, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Actually for a long time i believe that it was a parallel future/timeline and i didn't like the fact that many others insisted that it was a AU until i read sometime ago in this very wiki, the super wiki and others (don't remember were) about Eric Kripke and Ben Edlund change of script. Also, the reason i doing this is because i care, usually i don't do this for is awkward for me and i just wanted to infor you of what i read. Look if i'm wrong then that is what is important, but don't call me troll because it wasn't necessary and your right about the logic problem but that is something the show and the fans have been dealing with for a long time.Chamuel88 (talk) 23:03, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

To end this right i just thought that if the creator of the show says in his own words that it is an «Alternate Universe Model» then is true. I saw something about it on reddit to be sure and is title «Eric Kripke and Ben Enlund on the subject of time travel in supernatural» explaining part (is not complete) of what i'm saying, but i hope you understand because i like the show and this is one of my favorite wiki pages and sorry if i made a mistake sometimes my english isn't the best.Chamuel88 (talk) 23:51, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Dominic1743 for the trouble won't happen again. Good night.Chamuel88 (talk) 23:54, December 17, 2019 (UTC)

Featured Video

Hi there! Writing to tell you about changes coming to FANDOM featured videos: as of the end of this December, they will be receiving some trial run experiments. This is being done to improve video quality since videos featured on a page tend to be outdated or spout all the information the user can already read on the article. The main goal will be to figure out how to complement wiki content. Because of that, you might receive a video called "The Loop" play for anonymous users, that will be meant purely to collect visitation data in vein of the Global Taxonomy method. It won't affect all users, so you might not notice. But if you want to learn more, you can go to the blog post. Let me know if you have any questions!

The Silver wings of Night (talk)
23:07, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Help

Apart from doing it manually I don't know. Orion would probably be the best person to ask based upon his history with his bot. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:04, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

So you already fixed it yourself? Zane T 69 (talk) 20:10, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

Samhain's Age

Do you actually know when it was proven that Samhain was created before Lucifer Imprisonment, or is it a guess a fan made a long time ago? Anonyme Tät (talk) 00:33, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

That would be very helpful and you're free to install it if you want too. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:26, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

Citation Change

Hi! Hope you're doing well. I need your opinion on this please. 


Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 23:18, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Inactive Admins/B-Crat

Thanks, that sped things up greatly. I didn't know that Fandom Staff would even do that if asked so casually. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:23, December 28, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I tried using the Nuke option and was impressed. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:19, December 29, 2019 (UTC)


I wanted to unlink 'Leah Gideon' from the redirect and create a new character page because she was a human until the Whore of Babylon killed her and assumed her form. -- Thedarkenrahl, 12:58 AM, January 1st, 2020 

I'd appreciate it if you could leave your opinion on the discussion about summoning Death. -- Thedarkenrahl, 1:44 AM, January 1st, 2020 

Luis 106 Lincoln

Thank you for that edit summary. You know the one that says /* Luis 106 Lincoln */ on it. Really appreciate it. I still do too. Woo hoo. By the way Happy New Year’s Day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis 106 Lincoln (talkcontribs)

Luis 106 Lincoln

Thank you for that edit summary. You know the one that says /* Luis 106 Lincoln */ on it. Really appreciate it. I still do too. Woo hoo. By the way Happy New Year’s Day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis 106 Lincoln (talkcontribs)

Luis 106 Lincoln

What do you mean moved to there? Just asking that’s all. Just wondering too. I still am. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis 106 Lincoln (talkcontribs)

Well we don't strategize where he see can our plan, enter the chat. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:01, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

You can click the red link in deletion log to do that. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:33, January 5, 2020 (UTC)

Okay. It looks similar enough that I can update it in the future if I need too. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:33, January 9, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Rollback

Alright, though I feel I should point out that the first instance is just nonsensical gibberish (technically not vandalism, but that user has been warned before multiple times about their terrible English), the other two are speculation (again, technically not vandalism, but it is against the rules, and I'm not in a position to issue official warnings, seeing as how I'm not an admin).

Orion (T-B-C) 21:25, January 11, 2020 (UTC)


Can you add I think it would be helpful people can see what their comment looks link before posting. Jack3869 (talk) 01:01, January 16, 2020 (UTC)

RE:Episode Discussion

Of course, but you may want to discuss it with Touchinos first. It's his project, but he sometimes posts late. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:35, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

Article titles should be singular, to help cut down on page size and links to redirects

Because plurals very often involve adding letters to the end of the singular word, links can be shorter than they are, bringing the page size down slightly. Furthermore, we can avoid linking to redirects without making articles longer (thus making them easier/faster to load).

For example, take "Vessels". If I want to link the singular word, I'll either have to link to the redirect or do this: [[vessels|vessel]] (turns into vessel). On the other hand, if the article were called "Vessel" and I wanted to link the plural word, I could still link to a redirect, or I could do this: [[vessel]]s (turns into vessels), which is shorter than when the situation is reversed and avoids linking to a redirect.

When the plural requires that letters from the singular form be changed, as is the case with Werewolf/Werewolves, a redirect is impossible to avoid, but all that means is that linking to those articles will remain the same, while the rest are improved.

Furthermore, because singular forms are shorter than plural forms, linking any word will also be shorter by default.

I'm not sure where I could suggest this to all admins, so I'm hoping you can intercede on my behalf and put this forward to the rest of the admins (assuming they don't read this message by themselves).

Orion (T-B-C) 11:38, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

Discussion veering wildly off-topic

I opened a debate on whether or not to delete the Halo article and a few users are disrupting the conversation.

Orion (T-B-C) 23:25, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

I posted there to give them notice, they have three days to add the supposed info and justify the pages existence. I feel it gives them a real chance to add evidence and then provoke debate on that evidences validity. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:05, January 22, 2020 (UTC)
That's okay. They just needed a chance to get their evidence out and also a firm statement against their misplaced anger at Orion and the Admins. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:34, January 22, 2020 (UTC)

RE: New Template

It looks great. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:17, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Dominic. Wobbuffetmax disagrees with his block and I was wondering if you'd mind reviewing his and Orion's actions as a neutral party. His deleted post on my wall. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:07, January 27, 2020 (UTC)


I actually allotted a month to give people plenty of time, I was intending to close it on Feb 13th. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:00, January 29, 2020 (UTC)

How I handled things

I think this was a typo on your part, but if not, how should I have handled things with Wobbuffetmax?

Orion (T-B-C) 23:39, January 29, 2020 (UTC)

New Forum for a serious issue (IMO)

This is about the bloated articles and sections I've noticed a lot recently. Please give your thoughts on the subject here.

Orion (T-B-C) 13:12, February 2, 2020 (UTC)

God Page

I've noticed that Mgdodl added subpages on his page without consensus. Jack3869 (talk) 18:00, February 8, 2020 (UTC)

It's a non-issue and needed to be done. There was a set precedence for adding subpages for large pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:13, February 8, 2020 (UTC)


It is perfectly fine. I hope everything is fine and you'll resolve your personal issue, cheers. SeraphLucifer (talk) 00:43, February 10, 2020 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I hope you can sort your problems out soon. We'll hold the fort for the mean time. See you later. FTWinchester (talk) 02:55, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back, man. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:05, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

Blog Post

Something's odd, because I can't write a comment on a blog post, did you lock it ?--Mgdodl (talk) 05:53, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

Must be a glitch. I checked and commenting is enabled, but I can't comment either. It's rare, but I've seen this before. I just don't know how to fix it. Zane T 69 (talk) 06:25, February 21, 2020 (UTC)
I see the comment option now. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:51, February 21, 2020 (UTC)
I see the comment section, too.--Mgdodl (talk) 17:59, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Categories

Thanks but i'm bored right now and doing this to "entretain" myself since it dosen't take much thought to add the category, and i think that it would take longer to make the list than just adding the categories, but thanks again ;v. Doctor49 (talk) 20:13, February 21, 2020 (UTC)


Would it be possible that you request a bot flag, if you ever have to edit something in a large scale, like the image category, because it would clutter the Recent Activity ?--Mgdodl (talk) 09:13, February 23, 2020 (UTC)

That was Zane's answer when I asked him about this.--Mgdodl (talk) 09:54, February 23, 2020 (UTC)

No, you have to request that by yourself, even Zane said that, I already sent you a link to his answer.--Mgdodl (talk) 10:11, February 23, 2020 (UTC)

That depends on you, if you want to create one, however I'm not sure whether an admin could grant himself the flag again on the main account, after it was given by the Fandom staff.--Mgdodl (talk) 11:08, February 23, 2020 (UTC)


Excuse me can you please do something about Appy457, cause this user is making a mess of edits. I know I usually don’t come with these problems but something has to be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdevo215 (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure if the WHAM tool is working correctly either. Zane T 69 (talk) 06:06, February 26, 2020 (UTC)
If you have any counters in mind then please feel free to implement them. This needs to stop. I disagree about the bot, edits are spammed; 7 per minute I believe. Zane T 69 (talk) 06:14, February 26, 2020 (UTC)

What about, didn't you want to create a Bot account ?--Mgdodl (talk) 23:32, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

I did like 6 days ago, but been busy thanks for reminding me. Dominic1743Bot (talk) 23:49, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

Do you need Content Mod rights on your bot? Zane T 69 (talk) 23:46, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Dominic1743Bot (talk) 23:49, February 29, 2020 (UTC)


What do you think about the idea to create a Discord Server for this wiki ?--Mgdodl (talk) 18:02, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

Discord is doable, but we would need enough people to police it; monitor it for rule breakers, block troublesome users, and cover the time zones and prevent bleed over to the wiki. So, yes, like Dom said, we need capable management for the would-be Discord and we don't have a lot of users. So it may not be viable. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:00, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

Your new Wiki Manager

Hey there! I'm Cörey, the new Wiki Manager for the Supernatural wiki.

I'll be taking over for SilverFlight. Just like Julia, I'm here to help out however I can. Just let me know! You can usually find me on Discord (my username is penguinstyles#9735), however, I'm happy to use whatever contact medium you prefer.

If you have any questions for me, please let me know. I'll try to respond to them as quickly as I can.

-- Cörey (talk) 05:53, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Jack3869 (talk) 07:52, March 2, 2020 (UTC)


Thanks!--HarryPotterRules1 (talk) 23:19, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Discord

What exactly do you mean by help ling out? Bcs i have only used discord once sometime ago and don't know much about it, but i would like to participate in the discussions about SPN and the SPN wiki there. Doctor49 (talk) 23:41, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

Your announcement

so does your announcement mean like people without acounts with lose their progress or people without admin privileges? Lilinkin plot (talk) 22:37, March 5, 2020 (UTC)Lilinkin plot can i ba an admin pls??

can i ba an admin pls??


Thanks for not blocking my IP. And I will remove the scripts. Jack3869 (talk) 05:53, March 6, 2020 (UTC)


After careful consideration and review of our past actions, I've realized that Discord wasn't given community approval via the forums. You need to create a forum and let users decide if it will remain. You never started a discussion on implementing it; you planned out the staffing issues and created the Discord, but the community never agreed upon its implementation on the wiki. You also need to find a way for users to view discussions held on Discord on-wiki to help maintain transparency and the integrity of consensus. This represents a personal failing for myself; such an important discussion getting forgotten, and such an important requirement shouldn't have been forgotten by someone who aspires for Bureaucrat user rights. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:21, March 6, 2020 (UTC)


If you'll close your RfB and wait until a year has passed since your promotion to Admin then we can end this toxic issue. When that time comes I'll help you do it right and support your RfB if Caleb is on-hand to be the neutral bureaucrat to handle the closing. You were made an admin about four months ago.

I realize that this might still seem harsh, but you did still make a mistake. I was hard on you because we have to set an example for the future bureaucrats of this wiki and other users. People follow our example and I was very harsh in trying to make sure that you and everyone knew that wasn't acceptable. I'll admit that I wanted to make an example of you to discourage anyone else from emulating you. Mistakes were made on both sides and I'm sorry for my vehemence in pursuing a disproportionately great punishment for you. Zane T 69 (talk) 05:31, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

You close it like I would; reasoning and explanation and change the "Active requests" category to "Closed requests". Zane T 69 (talk) 05:38, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

I am aware, but I was told that it was the thread based forums and not the wiki-style forums. Suppose to be the forums that are like message walls that are being retired. You can ask Corey to confirm it if you want. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:02, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

Reference of Sam's Demon Blood addiction in Atomic Monsters

Was his demon blood addiction really referenced in Atomic Monsters and could you give your answer on the talk page that I linked ?--Mgdodl (talk) 11:23, March 8, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Possible Bug

Hey, yeah this looks like a bug. Give it a couple of days to appear on Special:Analytics. If it's still saying 0 pageviews I'll file a ticket.

-- Cörey (talk) 01:27, March 9, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Recent blogs purge

That page has been purged.

-- Cörey (talk) 21:23, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

Introduction :)

Hi Dominic!

My name is Mandy and I'm a Community Manager for the Fandom Movies/TV Vertical. I see you've messaged me on Discord, but Discord seems to be experiencing some server outages at the moment, so I'm unable to reply there. I just wanted to swing by to introduce myself and see if you need anything, have any problems, or would like to share any ideas you have.

I will be here, alongside our Wiki Manager Cörey, to help you solve any issues on this wiki and to make this community thrive. We will be planning and executing a battle plan to help the wiki become even more successful during the much anticipated final episodes. I will be getting in touch with you and the other admins about this plan as soon as it's finished, and we will be able to discuss further. I hope you are just as excited as I am!

In the meantime, if you need anything, feel free to contact me or our Wiki Manager directly at any time. And just so you know, Wiki Managers might be more available than me on weekends.

Please let me know if you have any questions and I can't wait to chat with you more :) —idekmandy 21:57, March 16, 2020 (UTC)


That Orion guy probably used his bot to fix those pages then.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:08, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

Jimmy Novak

Could we talk about Jimmy on his talk page, instead of reverting each others edits ?--Mgdodl (talk) 06:51, March 19, 2020 (UTC)


Ok. Jackson3869 (talk) 10:51, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I just finished converting the page Sam's Relationships to past tense and I noticed that there wasn't anything there about Sam's relationship with Jack, nor is there any dedicated page. Given the significance of their relationship, I suppose it would need its own page, but I don't feel able to create it myself, so I just wanted to point that out.

LoLaSiDo (talk) 02:23, March 24, 2020 (UTC)LoLaSiDo

AnitaSalim, revisionism and bloating

This user has regularly inflated page sizes by being overly verbose without adding anything of substance (see here and here) as well as revising what are established facts, presumably to fit with their headcanon (see here, here, and here). The first thing makes articles worse, not better, since they become harder to read and correct, and the second thing is just plain old fan fiction.

Orion (T-B-C) 15:48, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if they're the one. I'll start shortening articles when I have some free time.

Orion (T-B-C) 16:16, March 26, 2020 (UTC)


Not really, no.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:59, March 27, 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, you don't understand how the usage of the word "to" differs from the usage of the word "on". In this case, I replaced the word "on" with "to" because it makes grammatical sense. Even the reference uses the word "to". The word "the" is also redundant. Simply saying/writing "when filming will end" also makes grammatical sense.

Reference url:

BennyGoldSF (talk) 02:33, April 14, 2020 (UTC)



Just wanted to let you know that I signed in on the Discord with the same name but I put this as my status

I DON'T USE DISCORD. Verify any content with my wiki talk page to avoid problems with impersonation.

If I do have to use my discord, I will also leave messages in other mods' talk pages to verify that it is indeed me and not an impersonator. FTWinchester (talk) 22:16, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

Now that there is a Discord account linked to my profile, does that mean I don't have to continue using the service anymore as people can then verify if somebody is impersonating me? FTWinchester (talk) 22:23, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

Is It okay to add Hot In Cleveland to Cast & Crew Crossovers?? As well as adding it to the actor page(s)?? WesLuvsBTR (talk) 23:25, June 9, 2020 (UTC)WesLuvsBtr is just asking 

RE: Closing Consensus

I plan to close that on July 8th. We technically only have four votes in support for it. JarJarbinks589371 and Rhythmxx have just commented that it looks great, but I'll probably count those as votes of support anyway. And the inactivity hasn't been an issue, so no worries. Zane T 69 (talk) 03:36, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Anna Milton's Page Links

Thanks for fixing it ^-^. Doctor49 (talk) 14:07, July 2, 2020 (UTC)

Convo on Discord

So, what's with convo we had in the Discord DM, are we going to do this or not ?--Gabriel417 (talk) 12:50, July 11, 2020 (UTC)


You got a minute on Discord? Rhythmxx (talk) 17:21, July 17, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Opinion

I made a necessary but small change. Appeals are important and allow admins to grow and allow for their own errors. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:02, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

Do you have time for a chat on Discord--Gabriel417 (talk) 20:45, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I'm having a problem with an administrators' announcement in the top right corner of my screen that covering half the page and can't be removed. It'd making the wiki unusable, can you please remove it?EsmeeAnnamarie (talk) 14:07, August 30, 2020 (UTC)

Well, you're not the only one with that problem, but there's also another solution for this problem and if doesn't get solved I remove the announcement.--Gabriel417 (talk) 19:47, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

Vandal Alert

We got a vandal loose. User:Paintwood. SubjectTheta3 (talk) 01:40, September 13, 2020 (UTC)


It looks good. I don't foresee any problems with it. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:12, October 1, 2020 (UTC)

Is there a reason my video contributions keep getting deleted? They've been submitted in the right way...

Chicken Beach (talk) 23:46, October 8, 2020 (UTC)


I don't know.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I think we should rename the Primordial Entities to Cosmic Being. As they have been canonically been called that even as the latest episode called Amara a Cosmic Being.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 01:50, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Can’t day for sure. I would assume a consensus to prevent any trouble. And yes I know the article has them also called Cosmic Beings which I put on a long time ago. But as many of the Primordial Entities have been called Cosmic Beings in the show I would assume it’s better format to call them by their canon name.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 02:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It does. Thank you. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Can we restore the JS supported on the UCP without losing the Discussion Activity feature? Zane T 69 (talk) 04:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Did you send me a message on discord?[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 04:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)                                                                            

RE: Merit Promotion

Sure. Go ahead. Zane T 69 (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Supernatural:The Long Road Home

Why join the word with the colon? Isn't that gramatically inaccurate? VendettaRev (talk) 22:41, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Episodenav and Supernatural: The Long Road Home

Hey, I noticed you were able to fix the navbox so that the specials category showed up. I was wondering if you could look at the page again. I added a box for the Ghostfacers web series episodes but I can't seem to figure out how to make the box show both the Ghostfacers and Specials sections. The Ghostfacers episodes that don't have a page yet are linked to the main Ghostfacers page, however, I full intend to add the rest of the episodes.

Another thing, I was wondering why you removed the space in the title of "Supernatural: The Long Road Home"? Thanks in advance! Chaseharrison420 (talk) 02:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


Thanks again! Chaseharrison420 (talk) 22:01, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks Dominic for scolding the user Kada labiad, I felt threatened by him to be honest, I was scared. (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC−3)

Lucifer Synopsis

I did that!!!--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Don't, I have a different user name over there.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 07:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

RE: Edits

No problem, but can I do that with only the recurring characters? Because are a lot of characters and the majority only appear in one episode. (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2020 (UTC−3)

Big Bad

Could you unlock the page so I could add Season 15 guys? VendettaRev (talk) 20:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Wait, I'm not done yet. VendettaRev (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Can you unlock it again? There are some things I wanna fix. VendettaRev (talk) 11:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Supernatural Wiki Discord

Hey Dom! How are you doing? Hopefully well..

I'm reaching out because I've been contacted by several users in regards to some major issues on the Discord server. It looks like all the "staff" there have chosen to resign.

Could you give me a rundown as to what's going on there?

× Cörey (talk) 18:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'd like an update too when you get a chance. I thought we resolved this when Gabriel resigned. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Valid Source?

Does this count as valid in your opinion? It seems to be to me. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes it does. Dominic1743 (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Is Discussions Activity displaying correctly for you? It isn't for me. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The issue seems to have resolved itself, sorry to bother you about that. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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