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I'd just like to point out that some of the content do not appear to exactly fit the same way as others do. Some are alternate timelines within our own universe (i.e., The End, My Heart Will Go On) whereas others are completely different realities. What are your thoughts on this? FTWinchester (talk) 14:06, December 10, 2017 (UTC)

It's been a few months, but I'd like to add to this.

FTWinchester is right, some of these (Alternate Timeline (The End),Alternate Universe (My Heart Will Go On)) are alternate timelines, not alternate universes and should be separated in a different page. I know that Alt.Universes and Alt.Timelines tend to be combined, but that's a common misconception. Differences:

Alt.Universe: Literally a different number of universes in their own reality, with similarities with our own, yet differences that can be subtle to drastic. (Nazi Germany winning WW2, for example could be a drastic difference).

Alt.Timeline: Alternative timelines happen within the same universe or better the same Earth you are living in. This is what happens when someone goes back in time and changes something, therefore changing the timeline. It's still within the same universe!

So therefore, we should separate The End and My Heart Will Go On from this page, and make a "Alternate Timelines" page for them.

Also, for an example, think of The Flash. I know it's a entirely different show, but stick with me: They begin traveling to an alternate universe in S2, proving my point above. It was an entirely different universe. Later, in the season finale, Barry creates Flashpoint, an alternate timeline that resulted from him saving his mother from Reverse Flash. It was still the same universe, just events were different.

Hopefully, I got my point across. I think a separation is needed. Opinions? Gabriel456 (talk) 13:41, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

As a physicist, The Flash doesn't get universes and timelines right either, and a TV show doesn't "prove" anything. Regardless, by your definition, The End is not an alternate timeline, but an alternate universe, since the only difference is that Lucifer won in the end. Dean was therefore transported into the future of an alternate universe. My Heart Will Go On is also a different universe by your definition, the difference being that the Titanic never sunk.

A different universe has different laws of physics, among other things. Since a timeline is a set of events in a given universe, an alternate timeline is therefore an alternate set of events within the same universe.

Orion (T-B-C) 13:54, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

Well, I think The End was an alternate timeline. As does My Heart Will Go On. They took place in the main universe. Even French Mistake Universe wasn't another world. Alternate Universes are the ones that could be reach with Key of Solomon, Archangel Grace and Blood of the MHM. Others are just reality warped sort of stuff. I hate when TV shows include time travel and multi-universes. Flash is the worst about that lol. SeraphLucifer (talk) 14:16, May 9, 2018 (UTC)SeraphLucifer


"They took place in the main universe"- That's exactly the point I'm trying to get across. The events were different, but it was still the same universe. Regardless of the differences, it was still the main universe, not a different one. As for the French Mistake universe, I think that might be just writer oversight or neglect since Balthazar didn't need any of that to get to it and a different set of ingrediants. Or at the very least, perhaps each universe requires a different set? who knows.

and yeah, I agree. I hate time travel, it just makes things needlessly difficult, and does little more than raise questions :p Gabriel456 (talk) 14:22, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

I say we classify all of them as alternate universes unless specifically stated otherwise in the show. There's no point in trying to separate the two when the show itself doesn't bother doing it.

Orion (T-B-C) 14:29, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

The world see in "The End" where Lucifer rules the Earth isn't an alternate reality, it's an alternate timeline; God didn't create it as a thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmunddemon (talkcontribs)

The Multiverse page[]

Does the wiki need two pages which deal with the same topic ? --Mgdodl (talk) 04:33, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

They are two different things. Jack3869 (talk) 08:59, January 20, 2020 (UTC) 

How about a merge? Jack3869 (talk) 09:00, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

To me it appears to be one and the same, however, I wouldn't object a merge. I support a merge.--Mgdodl (talk) 11:12, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

Me too. Jack3869 (talk) 04:57, January 22, 2020 (UTC)

If nobody else objects it, somebody could go through with it.--Mgdodl (talk) 05:15, January 22, 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to delete this page and Move Alternate Universes to The Multiverse page then undelete the multiveres page. Jack3869 (talk) 21:42, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

Done!--Mgdodl (talk) 01:17, March 3, 2020 (UTC)

Alternate Universe[]

I want to point out something about the 'future' that God showed Sam in The Trap . The future that Chuck showed Sam wasn't just the future from their timeline, It was one of Chuck's memories from an alternate universe, he only showed it to Sam to manipulate him and make him lose hope, and these memories showing on the screens in Galaxy Brain proves my point because what was shown on the screens were Sam and Dean from alternate universes only as Chuck mentioned, and still, the footages from The Trap were shown there. What are your thoughts on this? Rhythmxx (talk) 20:13, May 12, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this and I don't believe it's speculation. --Mgdodl (talk) 00:23, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Doctor49 (talk) 17:43, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

Disagree. It seems completely speculative for one especially since Chuck announced it as the future if he was locked away making it an alternate timeline not an alternate universe. Unless we get something confirming that its other than Chuck's word, its speculative to say that its anything else and to change it to that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:28, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with WarGrowlmon. Although we know Chuck might be lying, unless there are other characters suggesting this idea in the show itself, we follow with what canon gives us. FTWinchester (talk) 20:23, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

Hinduism and Buddhism[]

Did the show use the multiverse from major religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism?

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