Talk:Teleportation

The angels one thing but reapers. One went inside of bobby's head to get him. Like by your logical all a person would have to do is go somewhere where there is no life and a reaper couldn't follow.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:03, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

P.S. the reason I state this is that like how Angels can, reapers are the one's responible to send souls to Heaven or Hell. If a hellhound or crossroad demon's deal is not in play.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

When using the term advanced, I mean for the character to be able to literally teleport anywhere. Reapers aren't, they can only go where there's life. As of now, the only characters that can go anywhere in teleporting, is Deities, Archangels, the Horsemen and Angels. Good day. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:39 PM, February 26th 2012

Castiel's speed of teleportation, well....

As an Angel, Castiel can teleport. But, judging on a comment in "Point of No Return," it seems like an Angel's speed of teleportation, apparently, varies. - DEAN: "You're fast." CASTIEL: "They're faster." To me, that heavily signifies an evidence discrepancy in the ability to teleport in Angels. Your thoughts.... -- ImperiexSeed, 12:20 PM, July 20th 2013

It's metaphorical. Castiel is referring to the time it takes to think and act to initiate teleportation - you'll notice that it's not instant because constantly throughout the series, holding a knife to an angel's throat stops them from simply leaving. He's not saying that they can literally catch up to him DURING the teleportation. Metaphysically speaking there is no "speed" to teleportation - an angel's nature, in Christian doctrine, means that it goes from place to place without touching the distances in between, they don't "move" in the sense that we would understand it. 192.76.8.28 23:10, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

There is other evidence to suggest that angels (maybe demons too) somewhat move during teleportation. In s5 e10, Castiel "follows" Crowley to his mansion via teleportation. In s5 e18, Castiel not only states that the other angels guarding Adam are "faster" than he is, but it also appears as if he is watching them move about the room while they are teleporting. Last but not least, in s6 e6, Castiel "searches" the town for Gabriel's Horn of Truth via teleportation (Crowley also does this while searching a building for Death in s5), which suggests he must be able to somewhat move about while teleporting. Any comments? --Jmac 703 (talk) 06:19, February 4, 2018 (UTC)

Dematerialization or teleportation?

Forgive me for this one, but could Azazel be a type of Acheri? His vanishing in "Salvation" remarkably resembled the Acheri's, when Sam fired the Colt at him. It's like he dematerialized his form, either that, or he wasn't using a real vessel, and was assuming human form like the Horsemen. Although, this could be how the writers 'visualized' the act of teleportation then. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:53 PM, January 9th 2014

Possibly the last one you suggested. Azazel displayed far too different abilities compared to that one similar 'vanishing' effect. FTWinchester (talk) 22:10, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Please unlock page

Admins, please unlock this page, I'd like to edit it. Thank you. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:55 PM, September 4th 2015

Teleportation or flight?

Why do some angel refer to teleporting as flying, when these are very different things? Jmac 703 (talk) 07:38, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

In my recent edit to the page, my wordings were better and my sentences were better formed, taking out unnecessary garble, but Orion keeps reverting it. 

• First off, Death is not a primordial entiy, he derives his power from his attribute, like any other horsemen. The fact that he can kill anything by touch, and made a claim about being as old or older than God, doesn't make him primordial. He's a force of nature who, as shown, can control be controlled by God and angels.  
• Zanna definitely didn't seem like high-level teleporters, Sully was able to teleport into the bunker because he is friendly, and the bunker only wards off evil. 
• Castiel's shown to be exceptionally gifted in teleporting and healing compared to others of his type. Dean brought it up, and Cas was able to swoop in and save Dean from Zachariah, before his superior could react. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 03:46, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 

Your sentences were longer and with either more fluff than the ones already there or just plain false information. That's why I reverted them.

• First off, Death is a primordial entity. Your headcanon regarding where he derives his power from is not relevant, but even if that were the case, the definition used by the wiki is "beings who existed prior to the creation of the universe". Death fits the bill.
• Zanna did seem like high-level teleporters. Again, you're taking your headcanon as if it were fact (nowhere was it stated that Sully could only teleport into the bunker because he's friendly).
• The Castiel trivia is more fitting for his article, rather than an article on teleportation. Note how characters are only mentioned by name in the trivia section as examples for bigger points regarding teleportation itself.

Orion (T-B-C) 08:55, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

• He derives his power from his attribute, and his attribute manifested when the first lifeform died, probably a human. Which would mean he didn't exist prior to the universe, like God and Amara. 

• It was stated in s8 that the bunker wards off anything evil, so Sully was able to teleport inside the bunker because he wasn't a threatening force. 

• That's fine, I guess. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 04:02, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 

• This isn't Neal Gaiman's "The Sandman". Stick to what was said on the show. What was said is that Death has existed alongside God for so long that neither of them remembers who is older.
• It was actually said that it's warded against any and all means of supernatural entry.

Orion (T-B-C) 09:07, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

• Yes, he claimed that, it has yet to be substantiated. Also, Amara said she didn't know of him, and when talking about who came after him, the Cosmic Entity didn't mention Death. Accept it, Death is just a horseman. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 04:30, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 

• So why should Amara's claim be taken seriously, but Death's should be ignored? I'll tell you why: it's headcanon all the way down. I rest my case.

Orion (T-B-C) 09:32, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

• The difference, Amara's been affirmed by various character to be older than God, so we can take what she said at face value. She'd definitely know about Death if he was a primordial entity. Also, Death's claim has never been addressed since, leaving the validity of the claim in question. Death never did anything more miraculous than any of the other horsemen. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 04:40, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 

• Death effortlessly moved planetary bodies to make an eclipse happen only days after it happened naturally. He also went into the locked Cage, which can hold entities on the level of Archangels forever, and left effortlessly. Castiel was said to only be capable of barely grabbing Sam's body, and only because the Cage was mostly shut. There is no reason why Amara had to know of Death, if anything, Death would've come into existence them moment Amara destroyed something God made. He could've simply not been in her presence at any point. Kaestal (talk) 12:47, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
• Who's to judge that one of the other horsemen couldn't have done that? At full power, Famine was going to be powerful enough to rule the earth. Cas fetched Sam's physical body from the cage after it closed. Also, a leprechaun states that fairies can get inside the cage. It's still hard to do, but it's not like only the higher powers can do it. Death could've potentially come into existence the moment Amara killed the first proto-lifeforms God created, but even then, there wouldn't have been anywhere to hide at the time, she would've had to have come across him. But it must be said that by your line of thinking, then all of the other horsemen could be primordials too, as the proto-lifeforms God created, could've hungered or gotten sick, which would've given birth to Famine or Pestilence. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 03:13, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 
• Let's stick to the show, if you don't mind.
  • Show states: Death is a primordial (under the definition used by the wiki).
  • Show states: Death can teleport anywhere.
  • Show does not state: Horsemen follow the same logic as The Sandman's Endless.
  • Show does not state: at full power, Famine would've ruled the Earth.
• If you have an actual source for your claims, please show it. Otherwise, don't try to pass off your headcanon for fact. Orion (T-B-C) 20:26, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Orion is correct and your edits were not worth saving. You put false information and fanon into articles, and I was even considering blocking you for three days for that and breaking the 3RR rule. Please provide a source for your claims, as requested by Orion. We deal in supported facts and evidence, not speculation. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:31, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Man, you guys are some real hardasses here. In 5x14 "My Bloody Valentine," Cas states that, at full power, "he'll march across the land," - which obviously translates to ruling the earth. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 03:38, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 

Yes, we do only rely on sourced information. Thank you for the compliment. What Cass actually states is that Lucifer wants Famine to "march across the land" (i.e.: spread his influence across the entire human population so they'll wipe each themselves out). And just to be clear, what you need is a source for your claims regarding Death. Orion (T-B-C) 20:43, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

I meant, I've only been here for a little bit, and already an admin's thinking about blocking me. Back on topic; making the earth a graveyard is pretty impressive. For the reason I stated above, if Death can fit under the classification of primordial, then so can any of the other horsemen. It hasn't been stated or indicated that Death can teleport to places that the other three can't. He's traveled to the cage, but so has cas, as can fairies. This would be like trying to class archangels as being separate from angels just because they're much more powerful, but they're still a type of angel. Such with Death, who, while powerful, is still just a horseman. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 03:58, February 22, 2018 (UTC) 

Well you did break a rule, and the point is, you're not blocked. Death is a horseman, but is still a Primordial Entity, because there is sufficient evidence in the show to suggest he is such.  The other three Horsemen do not necessarily need to be a Horseman just because Death is; the Archangels are primordial, but all other angels are not (so in a way, they are classed separately). In terms of power, Archangels are mainly classed separate from angels (eg. they can teleport, their power is deemed lower tier nigh omnipotence, etc.). Death, from what was demonstrated on the show, seems to be more powerful than the other Horsemen. And even Cass couldn't pull Sam's soul out (correct me if I'm wrong). Dtol (talk) 21:06, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

ParasiticCarroll, I'm going to ask you again: do you have any source for your claims regarding Death? If not, what you're adding is speculation, which is against the rules. If you do, then please show them. Your headcanon and fan logic does not trump established fact. Orion (T-B-C) 21:18, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Also that fairy only claimed to be capable of entering the cage, we never saw it done so it is just as substantial a claim as Lucifer being able to beat The Darkness on his own. There's no reason Death had to come into existence in an area Amara knew about, or that she could recognize the entity's name. Also, you'll notice a massive difference between Death and the other Horsemen is their rings and how they affect the Horsemen. When War, Famine, and Pestilence lost their rings they were screwed forever, when Death lost his ring it was a minor annoyance that ultimately didn't mean anything to him. Also, creating a plague that can kill humanity isn't exactly a display of incredible power, just a making of a particularly effective bacteria/virus/parasite. Kaestal (talk) 21:36, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Dtol, 

It's not been established that he can teleport to places the other horsemen can't. Entering the cage isn't insanely impressive, Cas was able to, and fairies can too. If you want to chuck out what the leprechaun said but it was just a claim, then we can in the same tokien chuck out Death's claim about being as old or older than God. 

Making an eclipse is pretty impressive, but who's to judge that the other horsemen couldn't do something of similar magnitude? 

His claim of being as old or older than God, hasn't been brought up since, and either all the horsemen get classified as primordial entities, or let Amara's statement recome into effect. 

Finally, heaven was able to bind Death to their will with a spell, no such thing has been suggested to work on God or Amara. Lucifer preformed a similar action to raise the other horsemen, saying, "this horsemen are so demanding." This is him coupling Death with the other horsemen. 

I'm sorry, but the evidence indicates Death is just a horseman. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 04:44, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

So you admit you have no proof. Thanks. Please keep your speculation out of articles in the future. Orion (T-B-C) 21:49, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

That's your response? How thickheaded are you? You are the one who wants your headcanon and fanon splurged across the wiki. -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 04:52, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that's my response. Because I'm going by what's said and shown in the series, whereas you're going by "What ifs", your own speculation, and Neil Gaiman's "The Sandman" to make your argument. While your mode of thinking is fitting for a blog, or maybe a fan fiction story, it does not serve as a replacement for actual sources, no matter how sure of yourself you are. Orion (T-B-C) 21:59, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Can we take this to chat for a sec, this is getting long? -ParasiticCarroll (talk) 05:05, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

It was stated that Death is more powerful than the Archangel Michael, yet the other three Horsemen were not mentioned. Additionally, Kaestral pointed out that Death was less affected by the removal of his ring.  Death can also kill pretty much anything, with the exception of Amara, instantly. Like I said before, Cass was unable to extract Sam's soul, since the Archangels had a pretty tight grip on it, and he was therfore unable to do so, whilst Death was easily able to do so. Some of the other Horsemen's abilities were unable to work on certain less Amara-powerful beings, such as Famine not being able to normally affect a 'dead-inside' Dean, and Pestilence not being able to affect angels. In Brother's Keeper, Death was shown to be aware of Amara, the Mark and the First War Against the Darkness, which suggests that he existed at the time of those events (aka during the primordial era, making him a Primordial Entity), since before Amara announced her presence and all, only Primordial Beings seemed to know of her true existence, (like Lucifer and God, with the exception of Metatron, since he was God's scribe).  Death is a Horseman, but he is shown to be more powerful than the others, based on evidence from the show, therefore classing him as a Nigh-Omnipotent Being. The other Horsemen were shown to have limitations to a lower level than Death did. 

In short, Death seems to be more powerful than the other Horsemen, and from what I gather, the teleportation page lumps all the Nigh-Omnipotent beings in the absolute section. But you do raise a reasonable point. Dtol (talk) 22:06, February 22, 2018 (UTC)