The name is pronounced "sowan" or "sowain" not "Sam Hain".
only dean, sam and Castiel call him by his name, and I find it doubtful, they would know the correct prononceation, Persumably if he addressed himself he would have prononced it the correct way.
It cannot be argued that in season 4, episode 7, that Sam only sent Samhain back to hell, he could not kill at that time, So unless he is trapped, why has he not risen to take charge of hell? im sure he could kill Crowley with that white light thing, especially if it's anything like the one cass used on the jefferson starships.
plus he could raise monsters (sounds simmilar to Eve), Zombies, Ghosts and apparently every nasty thing the boys have faces, which sounds Bad-ass plus he has unique eyes, as does Azazel, but he seems very destructive and not much a leader, any thoughts?
184.108.40.206 01:59, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
I would think that Samhain is trapped again. That and the page says that he can only rise every 600 years. So unless someone manages to free him before 2608, he won't be King of Hell anytime soon. Samhain didn't have much screen time so we don't know whether or not he'd be a good leader of Hell. But his incredible power does show that he'd be powerful enough to scare other demons into obeying him. I'm still hoping that he'll appear in later seasons.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 05:30, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
Even if Samhain is more powerful than Crowley, he clearly doesnt have the cunning, visionary mind crowley has and seeing as crowley is the only one who knows what to do with no master plan we can assume he ranks higher than Samhain who is both locked down and has no plan.
Power Level Edit
Perhaps it is worth noting that Samhain may well have been one of Lucifers first, as he was a seal to free his creator, the only other demon shown as a seal being the first demon, Lilith, although her function as a seal was to die as the final seal to release Lucifer, so Samhain also being a seal who must rise, leans towards possibly lucifer wanting his chaotic monster controling necromancer demon, out and active during the apocalypse as a weapon, and let's face it, the only other who can raise dead is death, only other to control monsters is the mother of them, Eve.
These powerful traits mark him as a very unique and powerful demon indeed, I'm crediting his being exorcised due to his 600 years trapped in hell, he would have been off guard. In addition to his snarling, animal like personality he was also immune to iron, playing with an iron gate, had the white light like fello seal lilith, was hardly hurt by the knife, I think fans do not give him the credit he desrves.
- No, Samhain, the being, isn't a seal, rather his physical rising, ascension, was the designated seal. Hence, called, "the Rising of Samhain." He was, indeed, a strong demon, yes. Well, God also can raise anything dead, and Angels/and Higher (than human) beings can raise some things that are dead. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:17 PM, February 12th 2013
shouldn't we state that Samhain is resistant to iron rather than immune, as both Alastair and Tammi have touched iron and haven't been burned and yet everyones stated they are resistant not immune. so shouldnt the same apply to Samhain?
No its down to the nature of how it occured, Tammi took a poker in a skirmish to take on another demon, Alastair was forcibly chained with Iron chains. Samhain touched Iron completely of his own volition, and then playfully touched it again for the sake of sadism, clearly he was completely immune to iron, with it having no effect on him what so ever, rather than arguably no vissible one. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:19, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
But if none showed any sign of pain then it can be implied that they are immune. tammi still voluteerely grabbed the poker and showed no sign of pain at all.
- It's my understanding, that Samhain is the only demon to demonstrate an immunity to iron. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:06 PM, February 17th 2013
- Its true, she "volenteerly grabbed a poker" to fight another demon (plus she dropped it pretty quickly) so its not comfirmed if she's truthfully immune or mearly resilent to the point she can ignore it. Samhain on the other hand had not stimulus, he did it because he wanted to, and he did it playfully, clearly iron has no effect on him. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:51, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
- It makes sense to me, as almost every demon with a name has unique traits about them that others did not have, it's not known how resistant Alastair was to iron but he would withstand Ruby's knife like Abaddon and send angels back to heaven, but I remember 'Death takes a holiday' when sam and dean as spiruts get trapped by iron, a normal demon using iron chain, after which it severely burnt him, but if alastair was immune or more resiliant he would have handed the chains himself.
- The brothers did not witness Samhains immunity to iron thoogh, but he was still known to use the white light, took a cut from the knife and could raise undead.
- I did notice though, the huge devils trap that protected the devils gate, was made of iron, do you think samhain could cross without problem?
- Princepurple (talk) 19:32, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
- Probably, he was immune to iron, but as he could only leave once every six hundred years, there was no way he could have no it, but then he would have got caught in the devils trap, so there's no point him trying. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:56, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
- The answer to that is obvious - yes, he could cross it but he'd trapped. Also, it's irreversibly NOT likely, seeing as he can only leave the Pit every 600 years. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:14 PM, February 22nd 2013
- Have to wonder though, why can he only leave every 600 years? id love to know why that was made so and who locked him up in the first place, as no other demon was locked up with a special way to let them out, lilith and such were in the normal pit, but samhain obviously was not or he would of left with the others through the gate, he was locked up for a reason, but maybe it is because of the wyoming trap, as even if he gets trapped, he could likely cross it and open the gate if he had the colt, only reason azazel did not do it himself is because he could not cross, but if samhain opened the gate he would have destroyed the trap anyway, so it's only speculation but perhaps thats why he was locked up by some hunter?
"'Worshipped' is spelled with 2 Ps'Edit
Dear editor - that statement is untrue. Both ways are technically correct. British-English is typically "worshipped" and American-English is typically "worshiped." While your edit wasn't incorrect, it was also unnecessary. KevinTheDestoryer (talk) 21:58, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
Says who.... I'd like a source for that. We're Americans, so the English spelling of the word is the correct one. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:00 PM, April 7th 2013
You can use both, General, but as Americans, the correct spelling is the American one. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:21 PM, April 7th 2013
Same goes for me, L4D2 Ellis, I have always spelled the word as "worshipped" ever since I could remember and until now I assumed that was both the American and English spelling for it as I was unaware of the other spelling with one P. 220.127.116.11 03:35, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
I've always spelled it with 2 as well. The only reason I know it can be one is that I've read many theological works by Americans and they spell it with one P. So I looked up the rule online, and best I can tell from a couple different sources, both spellings are acceptable. The reason 2 Ps is more common is because the NORMAL rule for adding a suffix to a word ending with a single consonant is to double the consonant. However, because the stress is on the first syllable of "worship," it only gets one consonant. (http://english-zone.com/spelling/doubles.html) KevinTheDestoryer (talk) 13:16, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
Its been recently claimed that Samhain couldn't control Monsters, ghosts or the such and could mearly summon them. Could someone confirm or deny this, as I've always remebered it he could do both. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:27, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the "damn origin of Halloween" could control that which he summoned, whether it be Ruguru or demon. I recall, in the dialogue, once summoned, they'd do his bidding. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:35 PM, September 16th 2013
Looking back, I think the writers were too liberal when they mentioned "Ghouls". Monsters, after all, are under the dominion of Eve. As to why a demon would have control over them is beyond me (or obviously a conflict in canon). Just to clarify, I am not saying Samhain could not--the transcript clearly said so. The above is just an opinion on a possible continuity/canon error. FTWinchester (talk) 02:11, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Azazel as one of the first demonsEdit
While Azazel is undoubtedly an old demon, it was never stated (as it was with Lilith and Abaddon) or hinted (as it was with Samhain) that he was one of the first demons. As for your argument, Azazel could have found Lucifer's crypts himself the same way he found Lucifer's cage--by looking for them. I don't remember any indications being given in the show that Lucifer told Azazel where they were.NaiflidG (talk) 22:40, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
It was stated, that Lucifer trusted Azazel with the Crypts location, as such the two of them had to have met to talk. I can give you the transcript if you don't believe me. Meg said it herself, when introducing the crypts. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:48, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Thats because she didn't, turns out I remebered it wrong, it was Cas that said it and it didn't specifically link to Azazel, still the acutaly quote is pretty much the same thing "Only those closest to Lucifer knew their whereabouts." To be close to Lucifer, Azazel would have had to met him. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:15, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
When introducing the crypts, In Act two line 23. Here http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=8.17_Goodbye_Stranger_(transcript)#ACT_TWO. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:24, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Azazel had to be one of the first demons, along with Lilith, Abbadon and Samhain. Lucifer trusted him with the location of his crypts, as such Azazel had to have met Lucifer before Lucifer was put in the cage or else how did he tell him? If he could contact Azazel, why did Azazel need to go to all the trouble of finding Lucifer? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:42, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Well Azazel is undoubtably ancient and his loyalty to Lucifer would have given him the honor of seeing the crypts. Presumably the cage is designed so that once Lucifer is imprisoned he cannot communicate to his demons. Hence having to kill a bunch of nuns just to whisper through the bars. Also, the fact that the door of the cage moves (in the sense that its a different dimension) could mean that Lucifer was imprisoned in one place and Azazel had no idea where to find the convent which is the only spot he can be freed. What doesn't make sense is how did Lilith know about the convent? I mean she knows the sixty six seals but it's never specified where Lucifer's door is and she and Lucifer clearly aren't very close. It's unlikely she witnessed his imprisoning and it doesn't make sense that Azazel told her because Azazel didn't think he would die so telling Lilith in advance wouldn't really make sense.
- Lilith was the first demon. If there's one demon who should know Lucifer's prison the most, it's going to be her. So contrary to your point, Lilith was actually very likely to witness Lucifer's imprisonment, not just because of her age, but also because of her status. Even if she didn't know the location of the cage, Azazel had to tell her because they were both attempting to free Lucifer. The crypts and the cage are totally different places. FTWinchester (talk) 13:15, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
This might be wrong but if you look really closely I think Samhain's irises are very very pale blue and his pupils are black and the rest is white. From a distance it looks all white cause it's so pale but I think it might be blue. It's also very similar to the first design of Azazel's eyes where he had yellow irises, black pupils and the rest white. Could this imply they are of the same power level or rank?
Probably not the same power level or rank, but there definalty both higher demons, Samhain is pretty much one of the most powerful demons of them, all and he's got to be the most unique demon. I investigated the point you raised, and found your right, they are white and blue, with black pupils, not white and black, like Azazel's. As well as clearly up the fact he was callled the Blue eyed demon in a book, does the mean we should start calling him the blue eyed demon rather than the Multi-coloured demon? Here's a picture. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:21, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
They honestly do not look blue to me. Additionally, although the source book was a good read, I hardly find it credible as canon material. The Official companions, I would understand--but Bobby's Guide to Supernatural Hunting? I don't think so. Additionally, that is the same book I used in arguing that Okamis are as powerful as werewolves, just that they were endemic to Japan, but from what I remember, General, you did not agree with me on that. If we are to consider a source book canon, it has to be coherent--one small flaw for one source book would invalidate the whole thing. FTWinchester (talk) 02:46, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
They don't look blue to me either. That and we've never seen a demon's pupils unless we see their host's eyes. I don't find Bobby's book to be credible in that department. I don't recall Bobby ever meeting Samhain so I don't know how he would know Samhain's eye color. Don't think Sam and Dean really had a good look either. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 02:54, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
But you can see that they're not totally white with black pupils, right? It might be grey? I don't know, it looks really pale blue to me but maybe I'm just colour blind. Just thought it was worth pointing out.
I see them more as grey with black pupils. But he's definitely not a white eyed demon like Lilith and Alistair. It makes me think he's slightly below Alistair in terms of power. He's shown some sort of resistance to the knife by not recoiling in pain like most demons when stabbed/cut in non lethal places and he has the white light power that Lilith has. I think we should stick with the multicolored eye description. Also you're supposed to sign your posts using 4 of these (~) . Exclude the parenthesis of course. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:35, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
I never said we should use said book as Cannon, I just said it explained why it refered to him in that way. Very well if you think we should keep it as it is, I'm okay with that, I just thought I should ask your opinion on the matter. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:03, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
Link to Lucifer? Edit
I kinda realized recently, His rising being a seal meaning he was likely created before Lucifer's imprisonment, meaning he is one of the most ancient demon's, also could mean the only reason Sam could excorcise Him so easy was due to him being trapped so long.
But anway, Could there be a link between him and Lilith being these where the only demon's shown able to use the White Light Power, are also the only two demon's related to Lucifer's seals? Samhain's Rising and Lilith's death??? as if Lucifer did something to them, like imbued a fraction of his power into them?