Talk:Ruby

In the notes, it's important to know that french fries do NOT contain alot of salt as mentionned, unless you put some on it. French fries are usually salted before they are served in fast food chains (such as Mcdonald's and Burger King), which are not the type of fries Ruby is seen eating

"The French Mistake"

Should we really consider Genevieve Cortese an alternate version of Ruby in this page? I mean, I can understand why, since she's the actress, but she was also specifically noted by Dean not to be Ruby in the episode ("Right, 'cause you're not Ruby. You... I mean, how could you be? You... Of course! You are the lovely actress who plays Ruby" and calling her "fake Ruby"). Could we just consider Ruby and Genevieve separate "characters" in this instance, who happen to share an actress?--68.202.251.151 16:52, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Demon challenging

The way it makes it sound without adding the other bit, is she was confronted by 30 demons, and scared them all off. In the episode all the demons were under strict orders to get the winchester brothers, would they really be interested in one minor demon? Considering Lilith knew who she was really working for she would have made sure they weren't really interested in her, or else that would have casued her plans to fail, as Ruby training sam to kill her was esential for them to suceed. I waiting to her your alternating argument. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:40, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, I think they would be interested in getting Ruby. As far as they know, she's a traitor who has killed a number of their kind, restored the Colt's power to kill them, and is otherwise helping the guys they're trying to kill. Having a specific target in mind (in this case, the Winchesters) has never stopped demons from killing everyone else they meet along the way (in this case, somebody who they would have very good reason to want to attack). So the "they weren't interested in her" argument doesn't really work for me. You argue that Lilith would issue some kind of orders to leave Ruby alone, but that doesn't make much sense; if she ordered a "hands-off" policy on Ruby, not only have various demons disobeyed (e.g. Astaroth, Alastair), but that would have looked mighty suspicious--why wouldn't Lilith want the traitor assisting her "competition" (Sam) killed? Demons might get to wondering and screw up the big con. It certainly made Ruby's job harder, but Lilith's plan wasn't exactly fool-proof from the start (it actually looks like she ordered her followers to kill Sam--you know, the guy who was supposed to break the last seal?). So I don't think Lilith gave any orders about Ruby, except maybe "kill the traitor" or "drag her back to Hell" (the latter probably more likely than the former). Thirdly--I think the issue you have with the idea of Ruby straight-forwardly "scaring off" thirty demons is that it makes her seem more powerful than she appears to have been. But look, she had the demon-killing knife with her and very obviously threatened them with it. Even a big crowd of people would be reluctant to rush forward and subdue a person who's not very intimidating if that person is holding a gun--that person will probably get taken down in the end, sure, but he might shoot somebody (or several somebodies) before that and that somebody might be you. I think the "Jus in Bello" thing was as simple as it looked: Ruby walked out, demons thought about getting her, but then she waved her knife around and they decided it might be better to go after her another day.--50.89.225.132 23:45, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Many valid conclusions I will agree with them, I personally think Lilith would have simply made it clear that Ruby was not a priority. I don't disagree with your conclusion as that is what happened, I simply think it should be specifed that they weren't interested in her at the time, she was not the top priority. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:15, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I doubt Lilith would have said that she wasn't a priority as it's a bit out of her character (she's not one for sparing lives) and if the other demons even began to suspect that Ruby was a double agent, it could have jeopradised the whole master plan. It's more likely the demons just thought that dying in an attempt to kill Ruby wasn't a great idea when the winchesters should have been an easy kill. Not to mention Ruby probably had a repuatation for killing numberous demons including the 7 sins which is quite intimidating. 

Super-strength?

Did Ruby ever display super-strength? The only possible instance I can think of is when she beat Sam and Dean up in the third season finale, but even that didn't seem like superhuman strength so much as punching and kicking the crap out of them. Whenever she got into a physical tussle, it seemed like she might have been on-par with Dean (a human), maybe slightly weaker or slightly stronger.--NaiflidG (talk) 17:55, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

How is a 90 pound, five foot six girl, beating up a six foot two man not a display of superhuman strength? How many such girls are that strong? Besides theres also the fact she could fight with other demons, who are by nature superhumanly strong (sure she is still a weak demon, but still it counts). Basically you seem to missunderstand superhuman strength, it doesn't mean being stronger than humanly possible, it means being stronger than its possible for your body type. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:56, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I understand what superhuman strength means, General, thank you. I just don't know if Ruby ever really showed it. Yes, she beat up two bulky guys while possessing a skinny young woman, but she didn't exactly pick them up and throw them across the room or break their arms without breaking a sweat. She just punched them in their face and kicked them in the gut, things to that effect. When you're on the receiving end of that kind of thing, it doesn't matter what a big strapping man you are or that the person hitting you is a girl: it gets the job done. I mean, look at Dean vs. Jo in ELaC: she's also a skinny young woman--and she's entirely human--but that didn't mean much when she punched Dean so hard he couldn't even see. If Ruby had directly pitted her strength against theirs in some way like Lilith did against Sam in TMatEoTB (dental hygenist Lilith was lying under big muscle-ly Sam, but she managed to grab the knife when he tried to stab her and not only stop him from using it, but to actually take it from him by force and then roll him over and pin him down), she would undeniably have super-strength, but she didn't. As for her going up against demons regularly--no, she didn't. She jumped in and stabbed them to death when they were either caught off-guard (Greed, Gluttony, Pride) or unable to stop her (the demon Sam failed to exorcise in IKWYDLS). When she fought them directly, they overpowered her. When she (a demon) fought Dean (a human) directly, she still did not overpower him.--NaiflidG (talk) 19:27, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yes she did, she litearly threw him across the room in "No Rest For the Wicked" and "Metamorphasis", and yes the demons did over power her, however she was still able to struggle with them for longer than normal. Sorry if I sound patronising before, I was trying to insult you, I was simply trying to get her point across. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:05, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, she did (throw people across the room)? Then I'm sorry, General, you're right. That ought to teach me to base arguments off of memory. I brought the issue up in the first place because I wanted to see if anyone could provide a clear-cut example of Ruby showing super-strength, like the demon in "Phantom Traveler" or Meg kicking open the barricaded doors in "Salvation". You have nothing to apologize for; I just have a terrible memory. Thank you for your help!--NaiflidG (talk) 21:22, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Black Death

What episode does Ruby mention that she was alive during the Black Death that killed more people than the Holocaust? Darth Kieduss the Wise (talk) 19:00, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Malleus Maleficarum. Here is the transcript. Gourgeist (talk) 19:17, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

She just calls it the plague, though. Gourgeist (talk) 19:18, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Immunity?

Does Ruby really have immunity to hallowed grounds? In Lucifer Rising the church grounds would no longer be considered hallowed because they had been desecrated by the murders. Am not sure if all parts of a church are considered hallowed ground, but don't recall Ruby being in the church proper in the Last Summer episode, so, if not all parts were hallowed, then the immunity would likely not apply (which would make sense if she is indeed a low level demon).

24.141.101.192 03:15, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Season 3 villain?

Was she already working for Lilith in Season 3? That was never clear to me - it is possible that she only switched teams after being sent to hell in the end of Season 3. A bit like Anna the angel changed teams after being brought back to heaven and getting tortured there.SonOfEve (talk) 02:46, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

We can't add anything since it's speculation either way, but, I have a theory. Season 3 Ruby was on Sam's side and Season 4 Ruby was a completely different demon posing as Ruby. It explains the distinct lack of snark as opposed to Katie Cassidy's Ruby. JS0662 (talk) 16:45, March 12, 2018 (UTC)