Removing archangels from this list
Yes, they existed before the universe, but they were created by God, unlike Amara, God, and Death, who simply came into being.
Orion (T-B-C) 09:54, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
- I purposefully defined it like this to reduce the size of the weaknesses sections.
We always had: "God can kill"/ "Amara can kill" / "Death can kill" / "Archangels can kill " as separated weaknesses on many articles. All these beings are older than the universe and extremely powerful. Archangels are above 99% of the beings in the show, they are a common weakness for almost everyone. This approach bundles them into one group and hence reduces the size of the weaknesses section. Lambda1 (talk) 18:56, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
I think The Archangels, should stay on the list, and I agree with Lambda's argument. This is a simple and effective approach to reduce the size of the weaknesses section, if we change this now, we'll have to redo the sections on several pages. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:12, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
How about just removing more powerful entities from weaknesses section? Not because it's false, but because it's true for every character and species - they can be overpowered by entities more powerful than they are. It's obvious to the point that saying it is redundant.
Orion (T-B-C) 14:36, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
It might be obvious for someone familiar with the whole lore of the series, but not for someone who only watched for example the first two seasons. Either way, it's an important thing to mention exactly which things can kill each other, otherwise it would suggest that for example a vampire could only be killed by beheading. Lambda1 (talk) 18:37, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
It's obvious because it's a tautology. If being X is more powerful than Y, then X can overpower Y. Of course, which X's correspond to each Y's is something someone unfamiliar with the series' lore won't know, but if we list every X for every Y, the "Weaknesses" section of lower-tier entities would be half as long as the main article.
Orion (T-B-C) 18:42, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
That's the reason I created this page, the same entities are still mentioned as a weakness for the most characters, but bundled in one page. I think we could further decrease the size of those sections by creating a page for "super -weapons" like Death's Scythe, The First Blade, The Colt, Hand of God. Lambda1 (talk) 18:51, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
Not mentioning them is a even worse solution. Lambda1 (talk) 18:54, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
Eve
Shouldn't she be on this list as well? We don't even know how she came into being. KillRoy231 (talk) 19:50, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Exactly, till we get a source citing she is a primordial entity, she shouldn't be on this list. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:09, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Separation
This is in case also others are confirmed.
But I think there should be two parts for Primordials
- Appeared
1.Amara 2.God 3.Death
- Created
The Archangels.
As above listed some of the Primordials just appeared and some were created.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 05:30, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
This should be considered a species?
Besides the Cosmic Entity, all the other entites have their own species and aren't all related, archangels are a type of angels, Death is a Horsemen, God and Amara are siblings, so they have the same "DNA" so to speak, so they can be considered as belonging to the same species, i think that this page should be taken more as a title or a classification than a species Doctor49 (talk) 21:30, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
the Primordial pic
This may sound stupid but how do I change the pic on the page to add the Cosmic Entity?
ThomasNealy (talk) 02:42, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
The cosmic entity
I was informed by an Admin that this topic has been discused before. however looking above it seems there was no discustion on it at all. by definition the Cosmic entity is a priomrial being. He/it exsisted before every thing else. by this pages own definition that makes It a primoridal. As a show of good will to users like my self that try and help. It would be helpfull if things like deciding that somthing older then the darkness is not a primordial would be listed on the talk page. other wise how do we know that a edict from the admins has been made? sorry if this sounds rude or what ever but since the admin refused to explain any thing about it and just pulled the "im an admin do as I say" card I decided to post it in the talk page to open a dialog among the community here. Also if I'm goign to get banned for disagreeing with an Admin at least have the decency to talk about it first.
ThomasNealy (talk) 05:53, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
The Cosmic Entity simply stated that the Empty had existed before God and the Darkness. It made no claim to its own age in relation to the other two.
Orion (T-B-C) 08:59, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
Species?
Primordial Entities is not under the species tag, but God and Amara's species are 'Primordial Entity'. I think there's a problem with that. Dtol (talk) 12:38, November 19, 2017 (UTC)