Categorized under angels? Edit
- Ok, by that standard, we should also count Jesse, a Cambion, as part demon. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:22 PM, May 8th 2013
- I don't have a problem with that. I just wanted to know the consensus before acting on it, since it's not difficult to understand when there will be counters in listing Nephilim under the 'Angel' category. I was planning to make a 'Hybrid' category, but only Nephilim and Cambion will be listed, and frankly, I don't think it's that necessary if there are just two hyrbid species/races to date. FTWinchester (talk) 02:37, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
- I guess I don't have a problem with that, but I mean, the Nephilim aren't fully Angel. And, having the Angel category, would imply they're Angels. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:43 PM, May 8th 2013
- I think, for now, we should leave it. And if more people agree with the idea of having a category called 'Hybrid' then you can add it. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:52, May 8th 2013
- Er, I already made one. Sorry. Just delete it if there's an uproar about it. I don't mind. As for the name, Kessler, I didn't catch the name. I'm not even sure it was mentioned. FTWinchester (talk) 02:58, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Oh well Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 03:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast
Weaker than a Cambion?? Edit
After rewatching her episode, I had to think, a Nephilim is the offspring of an Angel and a human, Angel's as a race are far stronger than demons, yet a Cambion/Anti-christ, the offsping of a Demon and a human, was implied to be far, far stronger than a nephilim, turning castiel into a toy figure, general reality warping and castiel saying they could wipe out the host of heaven easily.. and then the nephilim was killed by 1 seraph and whatever metatron is with hardly any remarkable powers, how does this make sense???
I guess that's what we call supernatural. Power scales aren't linear in supernatural. Even a phoenix who is considerably weaker than Eve could kill the Mother of All with its ash. Humans are the weakest beings physically, but factor in magic, and we could stun a leviathan, bind death, etc. Things like these that can't be explained could probably be attributed simply to the fact that the supernatural could not be explained fully with reason. FTWinchester (talk) 12:05, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
Although you do have several good points about all that FTWinchester, I think the real reason is that the Cambion wasn't naturally more powerful. Jesse only became that powerful because Lucifer was feeding him his powers directly. Before that point the only power he naturally had was he could avoid both Angels and Demons. He presumably did have some powers of his own, but his very impressive ones were given to him by Lucifer, hence why he only gained them once Lucifer escaped. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:38, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
ah yes that would make sense.. still though i think that if they met a nephilim should be able to beat a cambion.
Oh, yeah. And that, too. Lucifer being free and all. The nephilim potentially could be a lot more powerful, but the way the writers chose to use the Nephilim (which is to die as part of a spell), wasted the potential, almost worse than wasting the potential of Eve. FTWinchester (talk) 01:17, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Comparing this to that, will not always come up even. For, as FTWinchester said, the strength-scale is, by no means, linear. Well, first off, you need consider. When Jesse, Supernatural's Beast, turned Castiel into a toy he was just an Angel; but, when the Nephilim and Castiel fought, he was a Seraph. But for users, FTWinchester's explanation is the best when considering the inconsistencies. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:54 AM, September 26th 2013
Problem with the notes Edit
The first theory on Jane's existence is slightly problematic. Anna claimed she was stationed on earth--invisible and waiting for two thousand years, and Metatron has been on earth for a very long time, so the claim that no other angel was on earth other than Gabriel is incorrect. FTWinchester (talk) 03:30, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
In the period where all of the angels were on Earth, what are the chances of more Nephilim being conceived? Angels are clearly not entirely immune to lust, and there are probably still some Grigori running around in Earth. It'd make an excellent plot point: angels consider Nephilim abominations, and would try to kill them, Sam and Dean( or someone else) would be in favor of preventing that on grounds that they're innocent... Dragonlover553 (talk) 04:40, July 2, 2016 (UTC)
It has recently been reveiled that a Nephilim is simply a human soul mixed with angelic grace. This means that an angel with no grace is different from a human soul, perhaps weaker, in fact. If a human absorbs the grace of an angel would he or she become a Nephilim? If you cut a Nephilim' throat with and angel blade and remove its grace will it become human? Just some thoughts I have. What do you think? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 19:37, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
Well, the mixture of grace and soul may create something new. Angel without a grace is simply a human as Metatron said: "when you die and come Heaven, find me." I think humans aren't able to absorb angelic grace but even if they'd do, they would become an angel I suppose. And if we cut a Nephim's throat, there may be not a grace at all. The mixture may result in something different as I said. Like human souls is H, grace is O, their combination is H20 which is something entirely different. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:05, February 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
I agree. The Nephilim's state comes from being born that way and the amount of power they have depends on who their angelic parent is as shown with what Cas said this week to the Winchesters.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:46, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
I have one question what about the nephillim from the earlier episodes, you know when castiel was turned into a toy, that would make three nephillims right?