Castiel/ Lucifer vessel[edit source]

Castiel is not bound to this body, it was never mentioned, therefore it isn't his body. If Castiel leaves the body, it belongs to noone and is a soulless vessel like Sam in season 6 or the people "un- souled" by Amara. At the moment he shares this vessel with Lucifer. -- 15:59, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Raphael[edit source]

I'm conflicted to believe Raphael killed Jimmy. Has this debate been settled? The episode "My Bloody Valentine" heavily implies (to me) that Jimmy is still in there, making Castiel yearn for red meat. Kajune (talk) 14:12, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Jimmy is in heaven, this has been shown in "Angel heart". -- 15:48, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
I know that, but I think it is more likely Lucifer killed him. I opened a blog where most people agreed it was Lucifer, but since this page still says it was Raphael, does that mean that there's a better explanation to say Raphy was the killer? Kajune (talk) 16:07, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

I think that Lucifer killed Jimmy, because of the My Bloody Valentine episode.  Angel Heart was after Lucifer killed him, so it could also have been him.  Dtol (talk) 16:46, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

There's a lot of reverting going on now, with some people not really explaining their edits.  I think there should be a discussion here before editing who killed Jimmy.  Really, I sense an edit war starting... Dtol (talk) 18:23, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

You are right Dtol, it has been discussed before and as shown in 5x14, it was implied that James was alive. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:54, September 30, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Why did the article go back to erroneously stating that Jimmy was killed by Raphael? It's clear from My Bloody Valentine that Lucifer killed Jimmy; not Raphael.

Orion (T-B-C) 21:33, May 26, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure who did it, but you are free to change it back. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:44, May 26, 2019 (UTC)
Lucifer killed Jimmy, when Cas talked about souls needing a body to maintain structural integrity, a flashback of Lucifer imploding Cas in "Swan Song" was shwon. God resurrected Jimmy alongside Cas in "Sympathy for the Devil". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:81C1:5B00:C90C:4BDE:38B1:4746 (talkcontribs)

However, it's also speculation to say that "it's implied that Jimmy was craving for the meat in My Bloody Valentine" and that Lucifer killed Jimmy, we don't know who truly killed Jimmy Novak, because he never appeared personally in Season 5.--Mgdodl (talk) 11:05, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

It's not speculation. How else would Castiel be influenced by his vessel's hunger (which, according to Famine, came from the soul) if his vessel was no longer alive?
Orion (T-B-C) 08:14, March 19, 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Orion. There is even a dialogue between Dean and Castiel that confirms that the hunger came from Jimmy and not from Castiel in My Bloody Valentine:
Dean: Okay, but what about you? I mean, since when do angels secretly hunger for White Castle?
Castiel: It's my vessel -- Jimmy. His, uh, appetite for red meat has been touched by Famine's effect.
SasukeFMS23 (talk) 11:29, March 19, 2020 (UTC-3)

James (Jimmy) Novak[edit source]

I hope someone here can verify this officially. 

I believe that Jimmy's name is a reference to Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo. The lead actors were James (Jimmy) Stewart and Kim Novak. This type and genre of references seem on par with the writers. 21:39, January 23, 2017 (UTC)

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