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::::::::::Yeah, instead your the buffoon arguing for both positions at a time simultaneously, which is stupider than me arguing the case for a single position, in regards to something that definitely shouldn't require consensus to remove, the arguments for it aren't getting any better. -- [[User:Wobbuffetmax|Wobbuffetmax]], 4:55 PM, February 4th, 2020

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Uh isn't the picture on the bottom of the page Michael the archangel?

Kingcanuck (talk) 03:57, November 13, 2015 (UTC)Kingcanuck

Why Can They Still Teleport?

Does anyone know? I can't think of any reason. They have to feed on human souls of survive without Heaven's power, so obviously they're less powerful than seraphs, who where affected by the Fall, and as such are nowhere near archangels, who I think weren't affected, but they're nigh-omnipotent and were both trapped on the single(second) most powerful magical prison in the universe( surpassed only by what God threw Amara into), and yet the Grigori were unaffected. Did they know about the spell and take precautions or something? Dragonlover553 (talk) 04:07, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Noone knows for certain but I believe that they were already fallen angels so that the fall didn't affected them. They were completely cut of from Heaven's power. Only angels who were cut off from Heaven was Cas, Zachariah. Even if the Fall affected them, maybe by using souls, they healed themselves. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:26, July 2, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

So your saying that the spell spread through the connection to Heaven? Interesting theory... it would also explain why Lucifer and presumably Michael can still teleport, Lucy was already Fallen, and Michael was in the Cage with him... 03:06, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I think spell was completely ineffective against Archangels since they predate Heaven and Universe. But then again, we don't have a certain proof of this situation. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:36, July 3, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Actually Lucifer would be unaffected because it was already used on him once before (Noremac2 (talk) 14:35, July 3, 2016 (UTC))


Teleportation

You last edit summary was not refutation or even a rebuttal, frankly it was a deflection and a paltry one at that. Speculation is prohibited on the wiki, which you very well know as how voraciously and exhaustively you seek to mitigate it, arguably improficiently by the way. Blatant falsities don't require consensus to remove as it's purely incorrect information, not to mention your being hypocritical here since you've removed old information as well without ambassing a consensus. -- Wobbuffetmax, 2:29 PM, February 4th, 2020

Do you have an argument to be made for why "Teleportation" should not be listed under their powers or not? Article talk pages are not to discuss issues you have with other users.
Orion (T-B-C) 19:38, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Orion on this. Frankly I thought the same way as the other guy five years ago when that episode first aired, but it got hashed out a long time ago I think. I can't remember where or when, but I remember some kind of argument about the teleportation thing. Or at least the Grigori still having their wings since Tamiel could teleport.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 19:42, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
Which is my point. We need something a little stronger than "I don't believe they can teleport" to remove a 5-year consensus.
Orion (T-B-C) 19:55, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
For example, I just watched all of Tamiel's on-screen time and no wing-flapping is ever heard. That's something that can be used in favor of removing "Teleportation" from their list of powers. On the other hand, Tamiel did appear behind Ronnie seemingly out of nowhere (note that Ronnie was looking around before the phone call and saw no one) and somehow managed to traverse the same path Dean and Castiel did to get from the house to the barn (they were going from the barn to the house, but the path is the same both ways, obviously) without running into them, even though he didn't know they were there and would've had no reason to sneak around otherwise.
This is the kind of stuff that can be used. You're welcome.
Orion (T-B-C) 20:13, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
In the alleyway, during their conversation, Tamiel could've employed invisibility to sneak up on Ronnie abruptly. And Sam, Dean and Cas followed Tamiel to the barn not the other way around. That the best you got? -- Wobbuffetmax, 4:08 PM, February 4th, 2020
I literally just gave examples of how you could try to get consensus either way. I gave arguments both for and against "Teleportation" being on the article because I'm not trying to argue for either side, I was trying to teach you how it's done.
Orion (T-B-C) 21:11, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
  • Tamiel could've been invisible and uncloaked himself to Ronnie before swiftly killing him, it also explains why there was no wings sound.
  • At the farm (a confined space to begin with), Tamiel arrived in the barn first to kill Amelia and Claire, then Sam, Dean, and Cas came to the scene, with Cas intervening to prevent the grigori from killing Claire.
  • At not point in the episode was it suggested at all that Tamiel could still teleport, most especially when Metatron designed the spellwork to forbid any angels from returning to Heaven (except primordial angels) without his special portal. -- Wobbuffetmax, 4:38 PM, February 4th, 2020
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't arguing for either position? You're debating with nobody.
Orion (T-B-C) 21:47, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, instead your the buffoon arguing for both positions at a time simultaneously, which is stupider than me arguing the case for a single position, in regards to something that definitely shouldn't require consensus to remove, the arguments for it aren't getting any better. -- Wobbuffetmax, 4:55 PM, February 4th, 2020
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