Talk:Fairies

Changeling?

Shouldn't Changelings be mentioned here, somewhere?General MGD 109 16:38, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Why here?
Damaijin 03:09, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Why, Chagelings are children of Eve, while Fairies are children of Oberon, two completely different species, even though they're sometimes associated with one another. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:51 PM, April 1st 2012

Leprechaun Gilda?

Any reason besides not being specifically told by canon that Gilda isn't called a Leprechaun? Wayne and Gilda seem pretty similar in power-level and they both have the same appearance (both look like a normal human). (After all, 'Good' Fairy doesn't refer to a species it refers to alignment). 122.106.157.19 03:50, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

I, too, was disappointed when she wasn't categorized (which is why I added the clarification to her class on the article). However, as it was not explicitly mentioned she was a Leprechaun, we could not assume she is. Wayne took firstborns, pretty much a reference to Rumpelstiltskin, whereas Gilda had no reference whatsoever to any leprechaun lore. I'd say she is an entirely separate class, somewhat about the typical 'fair folk' that are similar to fantasy elves like that of Tolkien's, but until mentioned in Canon, that remains to be just my opinion. FTWinchester (talk) 04:05, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

No, she's not a Leprechaun, or at least wasn't mentioned as such in Canon. No where in the episode was she clarified as a Leprechaun, so currently, we cannot call her one, till otherwise revealed. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:18 AM, February 5th 2013

Power scale

How powerful would you guys say fairies are next to the likes of demons, angels and dieties? they seem to be able to warp reality and have all sorts of great powers to imply them being some of the most powerful beings indroduced, makes me wonder if Oberon could take on Michael as fairies supposedly have thier own devil/lucifer equal, and normal fairies seem very powerful, almost to the point of higher angels.

Princepurple (talk) 15:42, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well we have to take a few things into account, one we can't judge how powerful a species is based on how strong the strongest members are, the Leprachaun was the leader of all the fairies in the area, so it stands to reason he's pretty strong, while Gilda was also clearly powerful, as she could use almost trickster level power, yet at the same time she was bound by one of the weakest magic users ever. Second, none of the other fairies ever demonstrated any that impressive powers, the tink wasn't that strong and the elves didn't seem that powerful, and the redcap was probably as strong or perhaphs a bit more, as your average black eyed demon. Plus I think the fairy devil was mearly a retort. Taking into account the difference in power between higher faires and other fairies, I would say on average there stronger than demons (on average) but weaker than deties (on average), so no Oberon probably couldn't take on Michael, you should see my new blog following this trait. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:16, February 23, 2013 (UTC) 

It depends on what fairies there are and how much their magic affects angels. Judging by the way the leprechaun laughed at angels it's quite possible a few fairies might have the power to rival Archangels but I doubt the vast majority can. I don't see why the leprechaun would make a deal he knew he couldn't carry out. I mean he wouldn't get anything out of it unless he pulled it off so why bother suggesting it otherwise. Also there's no clear indication that Oberon even exists as it's just Marian's presumption. To be fair, the power of the spell doesn't really compare with the power of the being. I mean Death was bound by a spell that can be done by Sam and Dean and they're hardly powerful magic practioners and he's one of the most powerful creatures in existence.  

Doubtful, mutliple characters have made similiar boasts until there actually forced to face the person. After all as the old saying goes "its easy to be brave, when your not facing the enemy". Truthfully you have a point over why the Leprechaun would make the deal, then from his description "back doors" its possible fairies are able to bypass the restrictions because they don't apply to them, much like how reapers can causally travel into heaven, hell and Purgatory but are weaker than even lower class demons. True, but then that was pretty big tier spell, performed by three people who are atleast used to using magic, compared to a guy who found a spell book on Ebay, and was powerless once one spell was broken. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:05, August 12, 2013 (UTC) 

Well if fairies do possess real magic then presumably it has much greater properties than magic on Earth. True but even pagan gods were anxious about Lucifer despite the fact they wrongly thought they could beat him. The leprechaun didn't even flinch or seem bothered when his name was mentioned. I doubt the leprechaun himself could kill Archangels but actually I think theyd struggle to kill fairies too if they have "real magic" and I think they're the only antagonists (as a species) to date who have never been killed. The spell to bind death was only a one man job and didn't require anything rare or powerful to complete it. While clearly he was a loser trying to do magic, that doesn't mean the book he used was not a powerful book. Maybe a witch sold it on ebay affter finding out that they had to go to hell for using magic. Plus Death is more powerful than pretty much everything so it would make sense his binding spell is greater than the fairies. 

Exactly what "real magic" is or does is never explained, there nothing to say it isn't simply a boast. Not all of them, several seemed to think they could take Lucifer. And besides the Leperachaun wasn't facing an archangel or had really any chance of meeting one, so its easy to be brave, much like Pride mocking Azazel after he died, would have been so brave if Azazel was still alive? What do you think. How magic works is never explained, it appears if you have the right ingridents/or skills you can do just about anything, several witches have pulled of feats beyond demons, but that doesn't make them stronger. Plus Dean did kill a fairy, he killed a tink by shoving it in the Microwave so clearly not all fairies are that strong, my orginal point is the Leperachaun was the leader of the fairies in the area, so he was ofcourse much stronger than the others, a higher-tier one's strength and power isn't really a good base for a races strength. True, but still how complex could the magic be considering it apprantly just took a spell and no rituals or rare ingredents, that doesn't sound that impressive to me. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:11, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly but boasting in that context would have been pointless because if sam had said yes to the deal, the leprechaun would have been like "actually, i can't do it" and they would have fought anyway. So if he was lying then why bother doing so. Its not like with Crowley where he can pretend he has leverage so it makes no sense. True by there is a difference because the leprechaun would have been willingly going into the cage to get the soul from michael and lucifer, where as the gods would face lucifer one way or another. Plus none of the gods say they could beat the Archangels. Kali believes she could only with a blade. Baldurs against the idea. and Odin just says he doesnt think the angels fight will destroy the world. None of them actually say "we can defeat them" (until kali has the blade). And actually Pride mocked Sam not Azazel. "Now with your yellow eyed friend dead, i don't have to do a damn thing" thats not mocking. Thtas confessing you're scared of his yellow eyed demon friend, not him. Doesn't it? Magic is clearly a powerful weapon against demons. Hence Ruby and Astaroth being so powerful. So if the witch knows spells which can defeat demons I'd say that makes them more powerful. True but that was the one of the weakst form of fairies shown. No but it's safe to say the leprechaun doesn't lead every fairy. and seeing as there are apparently numberous types and forms of fairy, it is possible one of them is strong enough to rival angels. We never see either spell cast so the books could have listed ingredients.

Okay I'm not exactly sure what were arguing any more. I'm arguing on average Fairies as somewhere above demons and bellow demons and deities. What are you arguing? General MGD 109 (talk) 17:17, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

That the vast majority of fairies are probably about low tier demon to mid tier demon level but that some fairies such as leprechauns and Gilda may be at angel level and, while I think most fairies are powerless compared to Archangels, it might be possible that the most powerful fairies in Avalon (the rulers of the fairy realm) might be able to rival them if they can truly use magic on a different level to other beings. While it's never explained what real magic consists of, I think the context in which the leprechaun uses it implies that it is a form of magic most other beings like demons and angels cannot harness but fairies (or some of them) can which gives them advantages over other beings and allows them to breach places like Lucifer's cage. 

So where in agreement (except for the bit about the archangels) you might be right about the "Real magic," however I'm still not convinced its nothing more than a boast. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:38, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Leprechaun strength?

It's stated that the leprechaun has shown to be weaker than even lower tied angels but in what way is that the case? He effortlessly beat Sam to the point where spilling salt was Sam's only chance. Not to mention Sam didn't have a soul and therefore had a high pain threshold. Furthermore, on at least one occasion Sam has been able to deliver a punch to an angels face while fighting them (though obviously it didn't hurt the angels) but he didn't even deliver one hit to the leprechaun. So really leprechauns haven't shown to be weaker but equal to at the very least. 

Are you really sure about that? Compare fighting the Leprechaun to fighting an angel, the fight lasted several minutes atleast, not even demons (save the elite of the elite) could make a fight last that long with angels. Pain threshold means nothing to creatures strong enough to break bones and lift grown men with one hand. On that one occasion, if memory severs me right, he reacted like he broke his hand and the angel didn't even bother to react as he knew it would do no harm. Sam was still standing and not even badly damged long into the fight, Castiel smashed Dean with in a inch of his life when he was on about 40% power. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:00, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

The fight between Cas and Dean was equally as long and to be fair Dean didn't want to hurt Cas. The fact Sam on several occasions (with out a soul) has proven he can take a serious ammount of pain and shrug it off but was barely able to stand after fighting the leprechaun show the lep did some serious damage. Not to mention Sam with a soul delivered a punch to the face with an angel but didn't manage to deliver one to the leprechaun without his soul (which lets be honest is when he's more aggressive and efficient). I'm not saying leprechauns are as durable, I'm saying they seemed about as strong as a low level angel.

No it was a lot shorter and the one time Dean tried to hurt Castiel, he almost broke his arm. Sure Sam could take more pain, but still, he was still standing, unbrused, nothing was broken, he was even able to wrestle with the Leperchaun for a while. Dean was broken Castiel wasn't even trying to kill him. My point is there not as strong, nothing I saw indicated they were as Strong as an Angel, if they were why was Sam not in any way harmed by the fight? Pain tollerance doesn't come into it. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:06, August 13, 2013 (UTC)