Shouldn't Changelings be mentioned here, somewhere?General MGD 109 16:38, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
Damaijin 03:09, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
Why, Chagelings are children of Eve, while Fairies are children of Oberon, two completely different species, even though they're sometimes associated with one another. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:51 PM, April 1st 2012
Any reason besides not being specifically told by canon that Gilda isn't called a Leprechaun? Wayne and Gilda seem pretty similar in power-level and they both have the same appearance (both look like a normal human). (After all, 'Good' Fairy doesn't refer to a species it refers to alignment). 18.104.22.168 03:50, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
I, too, was disappointed when she wasn't categorized (which is why I added the clarification to her class on the article). However, as it was not explicitly mentioned she was a Leprechaun, we could not assume she is. Wayne took firstborns, pretty much a reference to Rumpelstiltskin, whereas Gilda had no reference whatsoever to any leprechaun lore. I'd say she is an entirely separate class, somewhat about the typical 'fair folk' that are similar to fantasy elves like that of Tolkien's, but until mentioned in Canon, that remains to be just my opinion. FTWinchester (talk) 04:05, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
No, she's not a Leprechaun, or at least wasn't mentioned as such in Canon. No where in the episode was she clarified as a Leprechaun, so currently, we cannot call her one, till otherwise revealed. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:18 AM, February 5th 2013
Power scale Edit
How powerful would you guys say fairies are next to the likes of demons, angels and dieties? they seem to be able to warp reality and have all sorts of great powers to imply them being some of the most powerful beings indroduced, makes me wonder if Oberon could take on Michael as fairies supposedly have thier own devil/lucifer equal, and normal fairies seem very powerful, almost to the point of higher angels.
Well we have to take a few things into account, one we can't judge how powerful a species is based on how strong the strongest members are, the Leprachaun was the leader of all the fairies in the area, so it stands to reason he's pretty strong, while Gilda was also clearly powerful, as she could use almost trickster level power, yet at the same time she was bound by one of the weakest magic users ever. Second, none of the other fairies ever demonstrated any that impressive powers, the tink wasn't that strong and the elves didn't seem that powerful, and the redcap was probably as strong or perhaphs a bit more, as your average black eyed demon. Plus I think the fairy devil was mearly a retort. Taking into account the difference in power between higher faires and other fairies, I would say on average there stronger than demons (on average) but weaker than deties (on average), so no Oberon probably couldn't take on Michael, you should see my new blog following this trait. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:16, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
It depends on what fairies there are and how much their magic affects angels. Judging by the way the leprechaun laughed at angels it's quite possible a few fairies might have the power to rival Archangels but I doubt the vast majority can. I don't see why the leprechaun would make a deal he knew he couldn't carry out. I mean he wouldn't get anything out of it unless he pulled it off so why bother suggesting it otherwise. Also there's no clear indication that Oberon even exists as it's just Marian's presumption. To be fair, the power of the spell doesn't really compare with the power of the being. I mean Death was bound by a spell that can be done by Sam and Dean and they're hardly powerful magic practioners and he's one of the most powerful creatures in existence.
Doubtful, mutliple characters have made similiar boasts until there actually forced to face the person. After all as the old saying goes "its easy to be brave, when your not facing the enemy". Truthfully you have a point over why the Leprechaun would make the deal, then from his description "back doors" its possible fairies are able to bypass the restrictions because they don't apply to them, much like how reapers can causally travel into heaven, hell and Purgatory but are weaker than even lower class demons. True, but then that was pretty big tier spell, performed by three people who are atleast used to using magic, compared to a guy who found a spell book on Ebay, and was powerless once one spell was broken. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:05, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
Well if fairies do possess real magic then presumably it has much greater properties than magic on Earth. True but even pagan gods were anxious about Lucifer despite the fact they wrongly thought they could beat him. The leprechaun didn't even flinch or seem bothered when his name was mentioned. I doubt the leprechaun himself could kill Archangels but actually I think theyd struggle to kill fairies too if they have "real magic" and I think they're the only antagonists (as a species) to date who have never been killed. The spell to bind death was only a one man job and didn't require anything rare or powerful to complete it. While clearly he was a loser trying to do magic, that doesn't mean the book he used was not a powerful book. Maybe a witch sold it on ebay affter finding out that they had to go to hell for using magic. Plus Death is more powerful than pretty much everything so it would make sense his binding spell is greater than the fairies.
Exactly what "real magic" is or does is never explained, there nothing to say it isn't simply a boast. Not all of them, several seemed to think they could take Lucifer. And besides the Leperachaun wasn't facing an archangel or had really any chance of meeting one, so its easy to be brave, much like Pride mocking Azazel after he died, would have been so brave if Azazel was still alive? What do you think. How magic works is never explained, it appears if you have the right ingridents/or skills you can do just about anything, several witches have pulled of feats beyond demons, but that doesn't make them stronger. Plus Dean did kill a fairy, he killed a tink by shoving it in the Microwave so clearly not all fairies are that strong, my orginal point is the Leperachaun was the leader of the fairies in the area, so he was ofcourse much stronger than the others, a higher-tier one's strength and power isn't really a good base for a races strength. True, but still how complex could the magic be considering it apprantly just took a spell and no rituals or rare ingredents, that doesn't sound that impressive to me. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:11, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
Possibly but boasting in that context would have been pointless because if sam had said yes to the deal, the leprechaun would have been like "actually, i can't do it" and they would have fought anyway. So if he was lying then why bother doing so. Its not like with Crowley where he can pretend he has leverage so it makes no sense. True by there is a difference because the leprechaun would have been willingly going into the cage to get the soul from michael and lucifer, where as the gods would face lucifer one way or another. Plus none of the gods say they could beat the Archangels. Kali believes she could only with a blade. Baldurs against the idea. and Odin just says he doesnt think the angels fight will destroy the world. None of them actually say "we can defeat them" (until kali has the blade). And actually Pride mocked Sam not Azazel. "Now with your yellow eyed friend dead, i don't have to do a damn thing" thats not mocking. Thtas confessing you're scared of his yellow eyed demon friend, not him. Doesn't it? Magic is clearly a powerful weapon against demons. Hence Ruby and Astaroth being so powerful. So if the witch knows spells which can defeat demons I'd say that makes them more powerful. True but that was the one of the weakst form of fairies shown. No but it's safe to say the leprechaun doesn't lead every fairy. and seeing as there are apparently numberous types and forms of fairy, it is possible one of them is strong enough to rival angels. We never see either spell cast so the books could have listed ingredients.
Okay I'm not exactly sure what were arguing any more. I'm arguing on average Fairies as somewhere above demons and bellow demons and deities. What are you arguing? General MGD 109 (talk) 17:17, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
That the vast majority of fairies are probably about low tier demon to mid tier demon level but that some fairies such as leprechauns and Gilda may be at angel level and, while I think most fairies are powerless compared to Archangels, it might be possible that the most powerful fairies in Avalon (the rulers of the fairy realm) might be able to rival them if they can truly use magic on a different level to other beings. While it's never explained what real magic consists of, I think the context in which the leprechaun uses it implies that it is a form of magic most other beings like demons and angels cannot harness but fairies (or some of them) can which gives them advantages over other beings and allows them to breach places like Lucifer's cage.
So where in agreement (except for the bit about the archangels) you might be right about the "Real magic," however I'm still not convinced its nothing more than a boast. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:38, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
I still have episides 8 and 9 of the current season watch, a little behind, but the fact that a very weak magik user was able to bind a powerful fairy is not really of much proof, as Lucifer was able to bind death with a spell and he is an Archangel, but the dethroned king of hell, Crowley, also had this spell or a similar one, he could have likely pulled it off, and he was not even king at the time.
Then even lower on the power level, the brothers themselves managed to bind death with the spell and they might not be novices, but there alot weaker than a demon or archangel, and it's also possible that Alastair knew the spell, given his vast arcane knowledge and the fact that he somehow aquired the sythe, so I think that guy who bound the good fairy, probably good have also bound death if he had the spell, how a spell was created without the neigh-omnipresent death knowing is beyond me, but I just thought I would point that out.
It's stated that the leprechaun has shown to be weaker than even lower tied angels but in what way is that the case? He effortlessly beat Sam to the point where spilling salt was Sam's only chance. Not to mention Sam didn't have a soul and therefore had a high pain threshold. Furthermore, on at least one occasion Sam has been able to deliver a punch to an angels face while fighting them (though obviously it didn't hurt the angels) but he didn't even deliver one hit to the leprechaun. So really leprechauns haven't shown to be weaker but equal to at the very least.
Are you really sure about that? Compare fighting the Leprechaun to fighting an angel, the fight lasted several minutes atleast, not even demons (save the elite of the elite) could make a fight last that long with angels. Pain threshold means nothing to creatures strong enough to break bones and lift grown men with one hand. On that one occasion, if memory severs me right, he reacted like he broke his hand and the angel didn't even bother to react as he knew it would do no harm. Sam was still standing and not even badly damged long into the fight, Castiel smashed Dean with in a inch of his life when he was on about 40% power. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:00, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
The fight between Cas and Dean was equally as long and to be fair Dean didn't want to hurt Cas. The fact Sam on several occasions (with out a soul) has proven he can take a serious ammount of pain and shrug it off but was barely able to stand after fighting the leprechaun show the lep did some serious damage. Not to mention Sam with a soul delivered a punch to the face with an angel but didn't manage to deliver one to the leprechaun without his soul (which lets be honest is when he's more aggressive and efficient). I'm not saying leprechauns are as durable, I'm saying they seemed about as strong as a low level angel.
No it was a lot shorter and the one time Dean tried to hurt Castiel, he almost broke his arm. Sure Sam could take more pain, but still, he was still standing, unbrused, nothing was broken, he was even able to wrestle with the Leperchaun for a while. Dean was broken Castiel wasn't even trying to kill him. My point is there not as strong, nothing I saw indicated they were as Strong as an Angel, if they were why was Sam not in any way harmed by the fight? Pain tollerance doesn't come into it. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:06, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
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Gilda and Glinda Edit
Hey I just noticed, the 'good fairy' Gilda's name is strikingly familar to the 'Good witch of the south' from the original Oz book, or incase of the original film, 'the good witch of the north'.
Do you think this was coincidental or on purpose? Gilda is of 'the good kind', so Is she actually the nemesis of the Wiked witch of the west and ally of dorothy? don't mention how easy binding her was, as as i mentioned on this page, death was bound by the brothers and an archangel and crowley had the spell at least.
Or could it be that,the fact this mentioned not being from Oz but instead 'the hollow forest of arkhmore' or something, that she can't be? She did not seem weaker by any means to the wiked witch and had pretty potent reality warping powers, so, what do you think??
And I know, this ain't a forum, but it is a talk page, so I'm talking about it.
It was on purpose, but most likely only for reference, as opposed to actual legitimate connection between the two. Unless of course, the writers themselves explain it through an episode. I did notice the similarity as well, and that's why I added that on Gilda's trivia section some months back. FTWinchester (talk) 23:41, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
Should Oberon be given his own page?? I know we don't have much to go on but at least a basic page, as he does exist doesn't he?
Also are we assuming that Oberon is merely the dimensions ruling denizen? if so, a pocket dimension would be likely what Avalon is, I'd say it's possible that Oberon is in fact about as strong as an Archangel and was formed from the left material that formed God and it somehow seeped out of the universe a formed a seperate reality where Oberon manifested, which is why his universe is so much smaller than Gods, or could be that Oberon is a primordial like God but a much weaker (or more powerful) version, i'd like to think of him as God's little brother, completely capeable of forming his own dimension, not as large as Gods but still big, as people have mentioned on here that Oberon created Avalon, I don't think it was God, Oz visually looks far more beautiful than the earth, gods masterpiece, from what we saw of a portion of Oz, it's vibrant, and glistening and it's creatures seem to naturally excell in magic, so perhaps science is magic there?
There may or may not be a fairy devil, who may or may not also be a primordial, or like lucifer to God, one of Oberon's most powerful creations. I think if he is as powerful as an Archangel, he would stand on par with Michael, if not slightly higher, being possibly, the youngest of the primordials, as such God did not create Avalon, he may have visited it, but simply leaves his siblings work to him, as his own dimsion, the universe is far larger and requires his full attention, what do you think???
Creation of articles on subjects only mentioned or reference really just depends on how one writes it. For example, articles regarding Black Dogs and Gorilla-Wolves may seem unnecessary, but with a good amount of wording and tweaking, I eventually managed to give them pages of their own. So long as you stick to the canon and mention (and expand, if possible) all sorts of references to the topic, then you should be fine. FTWinchester (talk) 16:59, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
Hop right on it. I don't mind at all, just please do not add anything that is unsupported. The bestowal of creating this page I'll leave to you. --ImperiexSeed, 1:49 PM, January 31st 2014
Okay, that was really asking about the page and seperatley discussing Oberon, I will perhaps craft his page, not made one yet myself.
But I would not put anything that's not canon, like alot of whats on some pages like the God page.
Where do fairies fall into the Judeo-Christian setup of the show? Edit
Most beings in the Supernatural trace their ultimate origin in some way to the Judeo-Christian God. He either directly created them or one of his creations did. The only known exceptions are Death, who is somesort of abstract near-equal, possibly the other Horsemen, and the Pagan gods who are part of the world, but claim to come from their own mythologies. But has anything ever been said about fairies? We know they come from a radically different world and have boasted that some have power on par with angels. Angels and demons are aware of them, but nothing I have seen or heard indicates either takes a real interest in them. To me it seems like they are part of a whole other system that doesn't trace its origin to God and there just happens to be some overlap from time to time. Anyone else have any ideas or any comments from interviews that explained it? Seekquaze1 (talk) 02:00, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
We won't ever know because Carver is too much of a pussy to take risk and wants to stay safe with the stale angel vs demons lore while butchering it at the same time. FTWinchester (talk) 03:59, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
What happens to fairies after death? Edit
As far as we know, fairies are not children of Eve, so they can not go to purgatory. Do they even have souls to begin with? If so, do they go to Heaven?, Hell?, or somewhere else? Or do they reincarnate or do they just fade away into nothing?22.214.171.124 01:20, June 20, 2016 (UTC)126.96.36.199 18:43, June 24, 2016 (UTC)