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Hierarchy of demons
I know that this has been discussed before, but with the information on the Princes of Hell, it changes a bit doesn't it? We know Liith was the first demon, and that the Princes were the next four created and intended to be the rulers of Hell. So my questions are;
1) Because white-eyed demons were created before yellow-eyed demons, could we assume that Alastair was created before the Princes, and that the Princes were created after Lilith's generation?
2) How do the Princes rank higher than Lilith if they were created after her?
3) How could Lucifer make all these other demons (the Princes, Cain, picking the Knights of Hell) if he was put in the Cage after he created Lilith?
Jmac 703 (talk) 00:15, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
Well, first off, the hierarchy of both Heaven and Hell has intrigued me since first appearance of both species, so I try my best to fit all the pieces together perfectly. My opinion of ranking of Demons are as follows, listed from greatest power to least:
1. Princes of Hell
2. Knights of Hell
3. White-Eyed Demons
4. Red-Eyed Demons
5. Black-Eyed Demons
We can assume that since Princes are to be the rulers of Hell, they are the strongest type of Demon. Now, between Knights of Hell and White-Eyed Demons, I'm not too sure. There isn't really an indication as to weather Knights or White-Eyes are stronger... It says both of them are among the first Demons ever made. But in my opinion knights of Hell may be stronger, albeit, by a microscopic amount if even that, because of their title. Why would lesser Demons get a title that is similar to Princes of Hell? The power difference between White-Eyed Demons and Knights of Hell is probably a much shorter gap that the difference between Knights and Princes.
PrinceOfHellAsmodeus (talk) 18:18, May 7, 2017 (UTC)
Well do acualy know when Lucifer was put in the cage? We do know it was after the war for Heaven started by his rebelion, but not how long that war lasted. If we take the facts as presented then it means that Lucifer was free and running around at the time of Cain. And since the Princes and Knights were used in the war against Heaven by Lucifer it would make sense for him to still be running around causing problems.
If we follow real myth on Lilith then she was Adams first wife and rebeled agiast God. So it is not a streach to say that she became a demon before the fall of of Adam and Eve.
We also have not had any difinitive statment on the issue of Adam and Eve being the only humans made by God. This issue would lead directly to how long he was out of the cage after Adam and Eve (and potenialy the rest of humanity) were kicked from the garden. If they were the only ones then the 4 princes, the knights, and Alaster all had to have come after Cain since he was first born.
ThomasNealy (talk) 00:38, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
I thought it was 'confirmed' that the first humans were Lilith and Adam, and after Lucifer made her into a demon, God replaced her with Eve. Then they gave birth to Cain and Abel and their decendents became the human population. So based on this, we kind of have to assume there were 4 or 5 other humans along with Adam and Eve.
Jmac 703 (talk) 01:17, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
@ Jmac 703 I agree that it would seem that more then Just Adam and Eve (and Lilith) had to be around back then. It is the only way things make sense based on what we have been told so far.
(in responce to PrinceOfHellAsmodeus ) I disagree with your placment of White-Eyed Demons. we can not just assume that they are lesser then Knights because Knights have a tile like Knights. the Yellow eyed demons were not given a title untill this season after all and all other known white eyed demons are dead. We do know that Lilith who was a White eye demon was the first and all others came after her. how this translates to power and rank we do not know that either. but i would error on the side of her being higher ranked by the fact that she was a first. and so far the show has gone with the idea the the first of a kind is the strongest.
(Also can the user or an admin please move the reponce to the correct place and order since it seems that we can not edit the talk page when replys are just randomly thrown in to the page with no following of the flow of the converstion. it makes it look like a mess and makes it harder to follow the conversation. )
ThomasNealy (talk) 00:25, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
Entities that can kill demons.
I have to ask if we should include Leviathans in this list? If they can kill an angel would they not also be able to kill a Demon?
ThomasNealy (talk) 00:50, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
Unless they actually kill a demon, then it's speculation. Even then, we wouldn't know if it was a general ability or one unique based on rank. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:55, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
That's why I did not add it. logic would say yes but its better to be safe. I do remember Dick thinking very little of demons though.
ThomasNealy (talk) 01:01, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
Weapons, Rituals and Spells
There should be a disclaimer about Knights of Hell and ones marked by the Mark of Cain. So far it has been shown that only the first blade can kill them. I'm just not sure how to go about that. We can not even be sure that the Colt can kill them after all.
ThomasNealy (talk) 01:11, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
Types of Demons (tab other) and Special
Seems that the info in these two sections is repeted. I wanted to check before removong the duplicated info, just to make sure that it was not done intentionaly.
ThomasNealy (talk) 00:01, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
Black Eyed Demons list
Is it realy nessasary to list every black eyed Demon that has been show with out a name? Seems unnessary to me and just adds cluter.
ThomasNealy (talk) 00:23, November 16, 2017 (UTC)