Talk:Demon-Killing Knife

Should we call it Ruby's knife? They always refers it as Ruby's knife. --Darth Stefan (Talk) 20:08, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

ERMM.

Who put it can kill Eve? there is no proof of this and also who said it was created by Samuel Colt? I've never heard this once on the show?

Yes, you are totally correct in saying that because it was never mentioned as to who constructed the knife nor do we know if that knife could have killed Eve. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:21 PM, April 30th 2011

I really hope one day we will find out how it was made ect ;p that knife along with the colt are intresting:)

I think this page needs more info. Like when the knife is used, how it is used. The fact that demons know what it is, all of that. This page is pretty bare for such an important item.

Starku 06:21, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Immunity

First, Alistair was never stabbed in the heart. Here is the fight with castiel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFP05ui3ETM

Pay attention at 1:15

He is twisting the knife, which is positioned  in the upper pectoral, not moving down towards his heart.

Here is a picture of where the heart is:

http://deskarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/The-Heart.jpg

Alistair was stabbed in the upper pectoral, not the heart.

Coincidentally, when Sam stabbed alistair the first time they met, he stabbed him in the exact same place.

Provide evidence to the contrary, or Im going to revert your edit.

What do you, I guess your right, but he was stabbed in the heart the first time, I'm pretty sure of that. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:28, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

No, he wasn't. Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMjOMje4wjI

Pay attention at 1:23. He was stabbed in the same area as his fight with cas. Not in the heart.

No I'm pretty sure it was his heart, it was lower, and this time the knifes pointed down, even if wasn't where his heart was virticuly, it would still have gone through it, as the knife's that long. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:13, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

No, you are stretching it quite a bit. The knife was more to his left if anything, and was not pointed toward the heart. Watch the video again. At the end of the video you can clearly see the stab wound very near his shoulder.

No I've watched it again, and I'll still say its going in his heart, I admit I was wrong the first time, but thats more down to being unsure where the heart actually was, but this time it was around the right area, and pointing down, sure it wouldn't go through the center, but even piercing the side of a heart, is directly fatal. To end this constant, I disagree, how about we have another user look, and then they decide wether or not it does, as we don't seem able to convince each other. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:32, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Did you pause at 1:23 like I said? That frame CLREARLY shows the position of the knife. Its nowhere near his heart. At 1:41 you can clearly see the wound. Its basically below his shoulder. And from the blood stain on the knife at 1:38, you can see that it did not even go all the way in. But, whatever, lets have another user take a look at it.

Okay, Who we ask? And I'll look again. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:02, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I have examined the evidnence and yes it did not go into his heart in his fight with Castiel, but when Sam stabbed him, it would've punctured the top of his heart. Which would be fatal. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 23:14, February 1, 2013 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

There is no way it reached his heart, The heart is in the middle of the chest. Picture of heart location:

http://www.umm.edu/graphics/images/en/18120.jpg

Alistair was stabbed near the shoulder joint:

http://health.rush.edu/HealthInformation/graphics/images/en/19623.jpg

Pause the video at 1:16 and 1:17. The knife is poiting away from the heart. There is no way it touched it. And it didnt even go all the way in.A.J AL (talk) 23:49, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Anyone else wanna chime in? I cant be the only voice of reason here.A.J AL (talk) 00:38, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose you are right but it would still hurt like a son-of-a-bitch.Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 03:49, February 2, 2013 (UTC)Kesslerbeast

Why does it matter? that knife killed many other demons without directly hitting the heart, Alastair was not killed, so there is no proof to suggest that a heart kill would be fatal to him anyway, it apparently was not to Abaddon.

Princepurple (talk) 16:52, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Good point, where is stated that stabbing the heart for demons is more dangerous with the knife? No where, so far any wound to the chest, neck or head is leathal to demons, and he survived these so he's immune. The closest is Alastairs own comment, and how would he know? He clearly didn't recognise the knife, nor had it ever happened before, so he was most likely guessing. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll alter the page. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:19, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Also adding, some demons have died by being stabbed in the stomach, like Brady and the demon possessing Bobby. Alistair was stabbed by the knife in his stomach when Dean tortured him, and the main page has the picture to prove it. Even then Alistair survived it. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 02:53, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Dean stabbed Alastair below the ribs, not in the stomach. And dean indicated that he was gonna kill Alastair with the knife right before Alastair freed himself from the trap. Alastair was resistant to the knife. That much is known. Whether he was immune like abaddon is never proven, so its not a fact.  He was never stabbed in a vital area.  Even Castile survived being stabbed with the angel blade. That doesn't mean he was immune to it. Azazel survived being shot in the leg with the colt. That doesn't mean he was immune cause that wasn't a vital area.

I just wanted throw this in. Just because Dean said he'll kill Alistair with the knife, doesn't mean that it'll actually kill Alistair with it. And when has Castiel ever been stabbed by the angel blade? I've only recalled him being cut by it, but not stabbed. If we're gonna use your logic, then that would mean that every single demon is resistent to the knife as long as they aren't stabbed in a vital area. Azazel was later shot near the shoulders with the Colt. It was nowhere near the heart and he died from the bullet wound. The exact same place Alistair was stabbed, twice even. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 16:05, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Rename?

So, "As Time Goes By" implied the knife is a Knife of the Kurds. Does that merit a rename? Or are we content with simply "Demon-killing knife"?--68.202.180.121 23:23, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Mention of the new name on the page's first sentence may be enough, I think. We do not have enough information related to Kurds to explain how and why the Knife was named that way. FTWinchester (talk) 15:09, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

The First Blade

Can it be assumed that the 'first' blade refers to the demon killing knives? the first may be to do with 'first born' but perhaps it was the first ever bladed weapon used by a human? or perhaps the kurds somehow used it as a template for creation of the lesser blades? afterall the first blade is just an upgrade.

Princepurple (talk) 10:36, May 26, 2014 (UTC)