Talk: Death

24.185.18.5 13:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)This is just a minor question...but is Death more powerful than Lucifer? If so, how? What about the rest of the four horsemen?

yes he is more powerful, death is death not just a horseman he is death itself, nothing is stronger then him, in the end god will be reaped by him, Lucifer did basically what the faith healer's wife did to a reaper but on death, to putt it simply death might be a horseman but that is not all he is, the info box really do not give him justice and what not, as for the rest of them, i do not know but maybe...but maybe notFaustfan 19:38, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

i didn't get it, the creator is less power than the thing "he" created? how can death itself "reap" someone who is immortal to the core like the creator? in the series god is described as the same god people believes in. "supreme deity" "whose power has no match" "begginning and the end of all things" "he can create a rock suppose to be heavier enough for him to can't lift, but he can lift that rock with ease afterall" "he is a divine chuck norris"

you may be thinking "alright God is the creator but Death is the destroyer" polar opposites whose powers are equally strong. but think like that "the creator" created even the death itself. and what about to "ring" thing, death relies on some sort of trinket to boost his powers up while god is almighty without any legendary equipments.

in fairy tale sense, god can kick every ass in sight, and dont have an ass to be kicked. thats why he put an ass to every creation of his.i cant believe i wrote all that crap anyway.

Who says God made Death? It is never stated what exactly the horsemen are and Death himself states that neither he nor God remembers who is older. If Death is older than God, how could he have created Death? Even if Death is younger than God, who says he made him? And Death IS more powerful than God, or at least truly immortal, as Death cannot be killed but God can. Perhaps when everything else dies, Death will become obsolete or die too, as the horsemen seem to be as strong as the problem they represent (Thus, Death is the strongest of all, followed by Pestilence, War and finally Famine).

It is never stated that Death IS the creator of the reapers. It is only said that he is the boss. Bobby said that he was (The Angel of Death or Big Daddy Reaper) but that was more of a point. But to be free of speculation on both parts I wrote that as the potential creator etc. This way it doesn't give speculation to that Death is or isn't the creator of the reapers.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:52, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Question not the title or powers themselves. But more of what is wriiten. Bobby states the last time Death was around Noah was building a boat. And Death states that Lucifer was making him due things like Huricanes, floods, raising the dead. Yes it does seem like he could have started the Greet Flood. But isn't that sepeculation as no one not even him directly states or even really hints to that exact event.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:24, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not speculation! Bobby states Heaven used him to start the Great Flood, hence he would be hydrokinetic. Just so you know, I, ImperiexSeed, do not post any speculation on any page! -- ImperiexSeed, 8:23 PM, January 14th 2012

http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=5.10_Abandon_All_Hope_%28transcript%29

http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=5.21_Two_Minutes_To_Midnight_%28Transcript%29

Read them and it never directly states that Death caused the Bibicial Great Flood.

And to show you direct quotes of the shows transcripts.

From 5.10 Abandon All Hope.

BOBBY
As in Death. The horseman. The pale rider in the flesh.

DEAN
Unleash? I mean, hasn't Death been tromping all over the place? Hell, I've died several times myself.
BOBBY
Not this guy. This is—this is the angel of death. Big daddy reaper. They keep this guy chained in a box six hundred feet under. Last time they hauled him up, Noah was building a boat. That's why the place is crawling with reapers. They're waiting on the big boss to show.

From 5.21 Two Minutes To Midnight

DEAN So, then why am I still breathing, sitting here with you? Uh...w-what do you want?

DEATH The leash around my neck --off. Lucifer has me bound to him. Some unseemly little spell. He has me where he wants, when he wants. That's why I couldn't go to you. I had to wait for you to catch up. He made me his weapon. Hurricanes, floods, raising the dead. I'm more powerful than you can process, and I'm enslaved to a bratty child with a temper tantrum.

These are official transcripts of the show. While it could be thought that Death did cause the great flood it in the show never openly stated it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:49, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Its not personal. Read those transcripts if you doubt me I ever well could be wrong. But I to the best of my knowledge I never heard or read that part.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:49, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Geez, you put things far into context, making them too literal! They're called context clues, man, all you have to do is follow them. I mean, the show didn't explicitly say Death did it, but his power is immense, why else would Heaven had unleashed him?! Death's made tsunamis and rain storms, therefore he's hydrokinetic, it's just that simple. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:01 PM, January 15th 2012

True I will even state that its a 80% chance he did cause it or at least his summoning caused it. However I am only trying to help. You say keep the main articles completely sepeculation free. That is understandable. But if you use content clues to come up with common held theories than overs can argue. "Oh he/she is an admin so they can use anything to make sepeculation if it makes sense." Personally on one wants to hear that. And if you leave it, reword it, keep it doesn't bother me. However think of it for your sake. A little advice from someone whom is NOT mocking or insulting you. I also keep the idea that at the LEAST Death had something to do with the Great Flood Personally. But others that might disagree with you may even call you a hypocrite.

That if you make a reasonable conclusion from content clues that they can do that same. But what others define as content clues and secepulation varies. Again its not personal but I see all to often admins get bullied or mock and then ban users. And then those user go to the Wikia staff and get there admin rights revoked. Anyway I'll drop it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:03, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for helping, I appreciate it! You know what, I guess you're right, it is just speculation. However, the way I see it, either God or Death made the Flood, making at least one of them hydrokinetic; although, Death created may disasters having to do with water, just something to think about. Actually, defining context clues doesn't vary, it's typically the same. If someone wants to make judgement by calling me a hypocrite, then fine. I'll ponder this, and will let you know what I come up with. Again, thanks for your help. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:13 PM, January 15th 2012

True about Content Clues that I was a bit off. It more of what other might say what is or could be a content clue. But I agree that the very least Death had something to do with it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:17, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

So I just read on Death's page under him being bound but there has been absolutely no evidence that it was the angels who bound Death and put him in a coffin 600 feet under. It could've been God or Death went under voluntarily as the reapers were upholding the Natural Order without him.

Also it says that the page can't be edited but clearly it has been and some of the info seems biased and written by a religious fanatic.

Factually wrong information

The Page about Death is factually inaccurate. It has been stated several times in the show that he will kill god some day in the fare future. That he can NOT die (not even god can kill him).
Why can't this page be edited to correct it? - CertusAt 15:08, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

He just said that, a mundane claim, that's all it was. Plus, if anything, what he probably meant, was that after God's work is done, he will allow himself to be taken by Death. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:01 PM, June 3rd 2012

That is speculation, you have nothing to go on here. Clearly there are only 2 paths to go. Either we post what the show states (we have no reason to believe death would lie) or we never take anything for fact that could be untrue and make this clear in the Wiki itself. For sure the solution can not be to add things that where never stated in the show. (like god being able to kill death) - CertusAt 15:08, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't wanna sound like a dick but you seem to screw with this wikis authenticity because of some personal religious views. Clearly i can't do anything about this but i guess people should spread the word that this wiki is inaccurate and should not be used as a source for unbiased information about the show. CertusAt 15:30, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly, maybe... perhaps, I don't know. Then what's one suppose to do with comments like, "no one makes Dad [God] do anything" (implying NO one can stand up to him), from Lucifer. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:51 AM, June 3rd 2012

• Plus, Joshua said: "He knows already, everything you want to tell him", to the boys. Which means he knows everything, Death, however, do not.

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• Speculation on my part but if both beings can supposedly do everything, why can't they just turn off their omniscience? And God clearly doesn't know everything when not even he knows who is older between Him and Death.

"no one makes Dad do anything" Doesn't mean nobody CAN make him do something. It just means that nobody does. Death clearly believes in a "natural order" as he demonstrates in the episode where he gives Dean "his job" for one day. God and Death don't know which one is older, omniscience gos out the window with that one, but then you could accuse Death of lying again. Why he would do that is beyond me. In S7E1 Dean and Death talk about killing god, it is clearly implied again that he can do it. In the end we have nothing to go on but Death's word, than again we have no other source. So either you put in what the show tells us or you don't put in things that haven't been proven 100% in the show. Either way simply stating that Death can be killed by God but not visa versa is intellectually dishonest. CertusAt 23:44, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Death being wrong.

Okay, the page mentions Death being wrong on one occasion and the newest edit on God's page said that Death was wrong on something. What was it that Death was wrong on? I don't recall anything that he has said was ever wrong.L4D2 Ellis 20:36, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

He f*ucked up. He said he was summoned and bound due to Sam's hallucinations, but really Dean wanted him to kill Cas, while wielding all of Purgatory's souls. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:52 PM, July 2nd 2012

That was something Death assumed, he never said that he knew for sure. Everything else that he did know for certain, he was right about.L4D2 Ellis 20:58, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well, he made a wrong assumption, therefore he doesn't know anything. Chuck, on the other hand, was never wrong. He was right in everything he said. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:22 Pm, July 2nd 2012

To whoever changed my edit, anything and everything are entirely different meanings.

Regardless, it is prohibited to alter other users' messages on talk pages. 108.225.239.73 05:40, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think we need to remove the part about how he can only be destroyed by the All Mighty Force, God.

Death said himself that he would one day reap God. So saying he can only be destroyed by the Almighty is pure speculation and should be removed for all we know God and Death could be perfectly even in terms of power to the point where one can't exist without the other. Also we have no idea how he even came to be he could be older than God for all we know.MrAnonymous (talk) 23:33, September 6, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous

So, if some random supposed tough-guy appears, and says he's the Universe's ruler, you'd believe him? And also, Chuck's (God) never been wrong while Death has only at least one occasion. So, it will not be removed. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:00 PM, September 7th 2012

Death isn't a random tough guy at all, neither is he as weak as you make him seem to be. Also Chuck isn't God as the writers have completely changed it. Plus Chuck is a prophet, he isn't supposed to be wrong, that's his job. You're making it seem like Death's minor mistake trumps everything about him. It's still speculation that God is all powerful, all knowing and can do everything. You're just being stubborn. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 21:24, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to Death per-se, I was just saying, hypothetically, if a new character appeared, and claims to be Universe's ruler, would you believe him just cause he said it. Same with Death, he makes presumptuous claims, without any concrete evidence. And Chuck is God; Erik even said The One Almighty will make an appearance in Season 5' finale, "Swan Song". And, of course, there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIybIuNplg. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:06 PM, September 7th 2012

Well it's different with Death wouldn't you think? He has more credibility than just some random idiot.

You obviously missed the memo where they completely changed it. There's this.

http://io9.com/5543025/supernaturals-showrunner-sera-gamble-talks-about-god-and-endings

Your problem Imperiex is that there is no proof that Death is wrong about killing God. Death certainly has credibilty as he and God are the oldest beings in the whole of creation. Also so what if Death has been wrong has he ever said "I'm never wrong." Also God said how it would end but it never ended the way it was suppose to. There for God WAS WRONG TOO. This makes God and Death even in that regard.MrAnonymous (talk) 23:16, September 7, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous

Alright, fine. The episode where Death kills God is the day I'll believe him. Yes, the are around the same age. hmmm, nice catch. He did say, through the Bible, that it would end in certain. But, go back to a conversation Joshua had with the Winchesters. He said God knew EVERYTHING they had to say even though they didn't tell him. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:51 PM, September 8th 2012

And Castiel also said that the Bible gets things wrong more than it gets things right. So don't go relying on the Bible for your argument. And of course God will know what Sam and Dean are going to say, humans are predictable. Oh and if Death were omnipotent, can't he, oh I don't know, turn off his omniscience? It's not like he really needs it for his job.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 15:57, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Uh.... why would "turn off" his Omniscience with his Omnipotence? So it basically comes down to, Death is not All-knowing. I admit, Death is powerful. He possesses dominion over Reapers, he can alter the logos, and can reap basically anything. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:07 PM, September 8th 2012

Death doesn't have to be all knowing for his job. All he needs to know is whether people are dying or not. Why use a power that you're not gonna use to it's full potential? And we don't know the extent of God's powers. We never hear anything that came directly from him. Joshua says, God knows everything, Death says otherwise when he brought up that neither remember who is older. Death has no reason to lie about him being able to kill God or not. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 16:27, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Death only ever said that he would 'reap' God, not kill him. Seems more likely that he will reap a visage of God on Earth so God may return to Heaven. Auditore7 (talk) 18:05, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Dean: We need you to kill God.

Death: Pardon?

Bobby: Kill God. You heard right...your honor.

Death: What makes you think I can do that?

Dean: You told me.

Death: Why should I?

mythology

Clearly even Death doesn't make a distinction between killing and reaping God.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 18:35, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I have a THEORY only on this. God represents the almighty being that Judeo-Christians give him. However, in the conception of death (the event) Death is equal to God's role as the Universal Creator. However, in reallife religion God by Judeo-Christian definition isn't like the how the pagan viewed their gods/deities as beings of Anthropomorphism or personification. (Sidenote for those that do not know. In religion and , anthropomorphism refers to the perception of a divine being or beings in human form, or the recognition of human qualities in these beings.) This is a common misperception for the original view of God. God is like the All, The One and several other names. He cannot be humanly definition. But on to point. Death isn't omniscient as all but proven in Appointment in Samsara. He refered to sometimes you just what the thing (his ring) off sometimes. If Death was he would know how to take it off and not use it without causing Chaos in the Natural Order.

The argument that Death is pointless as the point of itself goes to this theory. As if one knew the point to Death would know how to completely avoid it. However, as in the series God is at least equal to Death powers that can cause planetary damage even greater than the Archangels that it can remain that God can defeat Death. HOWEVER, it should be worded in a none opinioned way that the opposite is to happen as well with Death supposely being able to reap God.

Just an example. Despite, being one if not the stronger supernatural beings and the strongest Horseman shown in the series; as God is refered as Omnipotent he possibly can stop or defeat Death. However, as Death's has stated that one day God will die too the current answer is unknown at this time.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:19, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Death had his ring off for an entire year even when he knew where Dean had hidden it. Nothing bad had happened to disrupt the Natural Order. I think the only reason why Death sometimes wants the ring off is because he's worn it for so long. And Death's comment of "Nothing lasts forever, well I do." may hint that not even God can kill him.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 03:31, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Here is what I think Death and God and the other horsemen maybe even all the gods are psyichal representations of an element or force and Death and God are the strongest and equal in power because they are representations of the most constant and unending universal elements Life and Death. Because of this the two are forever connected so even if Death "dies" he wont really "end" so basically Death will continue to exist so long as God exists.

However the ring probably just works to stabalize Death so he doesn't have to work extra hard to do it himself. Then again there's also my theory where Death and God are one and the same. I suspect this because of how Death acts some times and he's litterally the closest to a higher being we've seen on the show.

I also have a crazy time travel paradox theory where Death and God are some how Sam and Dean or at least were like Sam and Dean in a previous universe until some how becoming what they are and now wait for their replacements who are Sam and Dean.MrAnonymous (talk) 20:54, September 9, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous

Well maybe, but Death has also said that nothing lasts forever except himself. So it would seem that he can end God's existance by reaping him. God and his angels don't have a soul so killing them is essentially erasing their existence.

There has been many theories that God and Death are the same being, but I doubt that because Sam, Dean and Bobby needed an object of God to bind Death. That makes it seem as though they are 2 different beings and God has just enough power to have Death be bound.

I'm gonna say that your Sam and Dean = God and Death is too crazy for me to accept and leave it at that.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 21:01, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

This is getting a bit confusing, the fact is God is the stronger, Death is about a close second, he can kill anything, but he can't create only destroy, but God can create and destroy, so he is the stronger of the two.

As to the rings, yes thats there implied purpose, to help the horsemen hold there coporal forms, it makes sense if you think about, I mean imagine how giagantic Strife, Hunger, Infection and Death are, there each occur everywhere on earth, and even sometime on places not on earth, compressing all that into one singel normal sized body, must be a titanic feat, even for beings of such power, so it makes sense, that they would use the rings to keep there forms coparal, so that they didn't have to constantly concentrate on it to maintain it. When non coparal, there presumably like the first evil, unable to interact with the coporal world directly.

Thus Death can go without his ring, as he is the strongest, and he did it willingly, so presumably he had already stated concentrating, just before he took the ring off, and he's so powerful, he can concentrate on maintaining his coparal form, while at the same time, doing the things he normally does, but the ring clearly makes it easier or he wouldn't want it back. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:56, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Can't create? Really? It was heavily implied that Death created the reapers. And before you say that God created them remember that every single one of God's creations were flawed, Leviathans were too dangerous, Lucifer had daddy issues with many of the angels being screwed in the head, and we all know how fucked up humans can be. Has any of the reapers shown those kinds of flaws? No. Which makes me doubt that God created them. And we're not sure if God can even destroy. He didn't kill the Leviathans, instead he shoved them into Purgatory instead of killing them like in real lore.

Strife, Hunger and Infection? You mean War, Famine and Pestilence? And for all we know Death only wanted his ring back because it's his. Wouldn't you want your personal belongings back when you only gave it to someone for a short period of time anyway? Once you've had something for a long time, even if you didn't like it, you'd still grow a personal attachment to it.

L4D2 Ellis (talk) 22:06, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well thats what they are aren't they? War's a extream embodiement of strife, Famine's a extream embodiment of hunger, and Pestilence is a extream form of infection. And yes he may have some sentamental Value to it, but you can't argue that it doesn't help them, when they were removed from War, Famine and Pestilence, they all simply faded back into non coparalism. This also apparantly greatly harmed them, as they were unable to return to being coparal. And at the end of the day, although a lot stronger Death is just another horseman, saying he's immune to there captital weakness just because he's stronger, is nonsence, any more than how Van Ness was not immune to burning the bones, even though he was a much stronger ghost. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:20, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

It may help War, Famine and Pestilence, but one can argue that it does absolutely nothing for Death. He's been around since the beginning of time which doesn't seem like the same can be said about the other 3 Horsemen. It's likely that Death was never a Horseman, but just took the job of being one once humanity was created. And really, if Death really needed the ring back, why not just take it back from Dean since he supposedly knew where it was hidden all along? Instead, he waited for a year until Dean decided to make a deal with him.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 22:39, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, he's definatly a horseman, everyone has refered to him as a horseman, Castiel, Sam, Bobby, Dean, Lucifer, etc, And if he isn't a horseman, why do the others refer to him as there brother? Also they may not be that old, but all the Horsemen are ancient, they all predate angels atleast, Bactria is billions of years old, the Levithans fought, and so, so is War, and they were basically nothing more than embodiments of hunger, so so is Famine, there all ancient beings, and how can you say he's not a horseman? He checks all the boxs, horse, ring, incredibly phernomanal power, being a physical embodiement of a force of destruction etc. Death's just the oldest and strongest.

And I never said he needed it, simply its more comfatable if he does have it, it simply makes his job easier. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:55, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Death may check all of the boxes the other Horsemen share, but he has shown powers that the other Horsemen never showed. If he's just the embodiment of death, he shouldn't be able to influence the moon's cycle or the weather. Bacteria is only a about 3.5 billions years old with the Milky Way being over 12 billions years old. Compared to Death, it's still barely out of it's diapers. What would he be doing for all those years before life even started? Clearly not killing anything.

Or the ring does absolutely nothing for Death's powers at all. Really, he could've retrieved it when he wanted to, yet he didn't. He really only cared for the ring because Dean was keeping it longer that he was supposed to.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 23:07, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thus is going to far into speculation, the horsemen all had unquie powers, they sharded some abilities, but the each possed unquie abilities, that only linked to what they were. And he's not a embodiment of Death, he is Death, and as such he can manipulate all forms of death, he can alter the weather, because people can die from being hit be lightning, or huricanes, or catching phenomia after being caught in the rain, he can cause a eclipse as people can die, due to the lack of light.

Also thats still older than most Angels, War is probably older, as the Leviathans were prusumably on earth sortly after it was created so nearly four billion years ago, and the same goes for Famine, but sure he's older, he's the oldest, he is always called the oldest. And you still haven't answered if he isn't a horsemen, why do they refer to him as there brother? As the horsemen are family.

And for the ring, I only said it made it easier, he doesn't need it, it just makes it easier, besides Death was also probably to busy to come and collect it personally.

And another thing, how can you argue he is the stronger? God locked him up in that box six hundered feet below, he can be imprisoned, he can be bound, he can't be everywhere at once, he can make mistakes, he has weaknesses, God has none of these problems, he is the stronger, and don't argue he might of done it willingly, who would willingly want to be locked up down bellow, only to be released when some infants (in his opioin) have something big planned. Answer them. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:49, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Eclipses only last momentarily and it was a lunar eclipse he caused, not a solar eclipse. Okay so fine, he isn't just the embodiment of Death.

They refer to him as a Horseman because it's a title. I doubt they are true brothers and I don't ever recall Death referring the other 3 Horsemen as his brothers. He doesn't even mention them.

It would've taken only a second for Death to retrieve his ring. He was busy when Dean called him and he stayed for about 5 minutes and made a deal with Dean.

Where have I ever argued that Death is stronger than God? Nowhere. Never since his first appearance since season 5 did I ever argue that Death is stronger than God. Ask anyone. And God has none of the problems? God clearly can't be everywhere at once seeing as angels can't even find him and even Raphael believed God to be dead. God can supposedly die so that should count as a weakness. And neither remembers who is older between Death and himself. And why wouldn't Death be willingly locked up? Canon shows that Death doesn't need to be around to kill people. His reapers have been doing that since he was buried underground. Death likely trusts his reapers to keep the Natural Order in place as Tessa has proven so. When Alistair kidnapped one reaper, Tessa was sent in to replace him, likely cleaning up the Natural Order. None of the reapers disobey Death and they all strive to keep things intact and are there to do their job and nothing else. What else is he supposed to do when every single one of his "employees" are doing everything that needs to be done? He doesn't care about what happens in the world unless the Natural Order is disrupted. When Lucifer released him, he was clearly annoyed that some child is using him for his own gain. He remains above ground for now because he has to clean up the mess than Lucifer and the Leviathans have left in their wake. He is likely to return when the mess is fixed and he'll let his reapers continue the work.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 22:21, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Unlock?

Would you consider unlocking this page? General MGD 109 (talk) 20:56, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

For what purpose, may I ask? All the information from episodes are there, and the powers and abilities is complete. When it's unlocked, people seem to get caught up in perception, and add opinionated content. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:23 PM, September 10th 2012

Hahahahaha! Which is funny since you clearly don't want to remove opinionated content about Death. You refuse to acknowledge that Death has the possibility of killing God and keep information that God can kill Death with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You're just as opinionated as we are. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 22:41, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Let's keep debates about being opinionated off the article's talk page. Love and Lust 00:02, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

You can't support information with such a bold claim by Death, which is what you're doing; you think because Death said he'll reap him, that he can. I need proof of him actually doing that. Just cause he said it, doesn't mean he can. P.S. Love and Lust, debates are officially held on talk pages, so you request is ridiculous, really. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:20 PM, September 10th

And you're basing your information on things set in real lore and what Joshua said. Your best argument is that Death isn't omniscient and had one thing wrong. Either have both possibilities up, or none at all. You're just as opinionated, you just won't admit it.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 00:27, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it is fair for an administrator to be 'judge, jury, and executioner' in this case by locking the article and preventing any edits he deems incorrect from being made. That would be against the idea of collaborative editing.

As for edit wars, Imperiex, I should point out that what goes into the article should be decided by a group of editors/the community rather than one arbitrary individual. If there are any issues with the article, let's take the current state of the article to be the status quo and have a discussion on the talkpage to decide whether we should change certain statements. Of course, if there are no disputes with certain disputes made to the article, then there's no need for a discussion.

Finally, I would also like to point everyone to the three-revert rule which is put in place to prevent edit-warring. With that, hopefully we can edit this article to our heart's content. Cheers. Calebchiam ^Talk 06:00, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

And since it came up, here's a policy on article neutrality that will be helpful to us. Calebchiam ^Talk 06:22, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for unlocking the page Calebchiam. I always felt that it was an abuse of power what ImperiexSeed did by locking the page. The information on the page was clearly not unbiased and information provided was not said anywhere within the show.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 16:50, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Also to add, could you please unlock God's page as well, because some information on Death pertains to God as well. Like his supposed immortality and omniscience. According to Death, neither is true. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 20:19, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Done, following the same reasoning. Calebchiam ^Talk 10:19, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thermokinesis/Scythe

'Thermokinesis - Caused his scythe to heat up, to make Dean drop it, simply by thinking it.' - Is it possible his scythe is like Dean's amulet? It burns hot in Death's presence, instead of God's?