Someone should change the part where it says "Category:Demon (White-Eyed)" because there's never been anything that says he's a White-Eyed Demon and the Evidence points him as being a Crossroads Demon not a White-Eyed.
- 1 Spelling/Grammar Mistakes
- 2 Wait...
- 3 healing
- 4 A Quote Section?
- 5 Vessal
- 6 Quotes.
- 7 Crowley's powers.
- 8 The Moon
- 9 Crowley's hand in Bela's actions
- 10 Unknown ability.
- 11 Strength scale
- 12 Manifestation manipulation
- 13 Angel Blades?
- 14 Updates?
- 15 crowley you going to die and be killed by sarah im so crazy Crowley in the Next Season
- 16 a
- 17 Status
- 18 Crowley's apparent death
- 19 Marco Soriano
- 20 LGBT?
Spelling/Grammar Mistakes[edit source]
"Crowley answers that Lucifer is an angel,
- whose*** well known for his hatred of humanity"
The word "whose" is wrong. It should be "who's" or "who is".126.96.36.199 20:12, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Now just stick with my edit of the first section in the Power and Abilities chartering. Viceroy of Hell 17:07, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Uh, no, Viceroy. I say "no". -- ImperiexSeed, 1:11 PM, June 25th 2012
- I say "yes." Mine is the most grammatically correct and accurate, as well as uninvolved in an edit war. Viceroy of Hell 17:14, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
- So.... I don't, Viceroy. I really don't. Wait, so is mine; there was no error in my edit. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:18 PM, June 25th 2012
At the bottom of Trivia, it states he is the first demon who's past has been revealed...Wouldn't this be a lie? considering they explained Ruby was a witch when she was Human, and that's basically how we found out demon's were once humans that went to hell? Hennessey Frost 17:12, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
I agree because Ruby's past was revealed. She said she was a witch therefore: Her past. I think that should be changed in the trivia.
It says that Crowley's appeared in 21 episodes and is thus the most recurring demon, but I only counted 18 he's been in thus far. Did I just miscount?--188.8.131.52 06:03, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
I previously only counted 17 episodes (excluding a cameo in Cas's flashbacks) by "We Need to Talk About Kevin", but I just I assumed there were four episodes that Crowley appeared in (I could not think of at the time) that had not been added to the list of his appearances yet. But if we both have counted correctly, than Ruby would actually be the demon who is the most recurring demon in Supernatural (according to the trivia, 20 episodes) as Crowley has only appeared in 18 episodes at this time as of "What's Up,Tiger Mommy". 184.108.40.206 01:03, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
crowley clearly burned sam's hand to hurt him, and then snapped his fingers and it was gone, therefore he healed it. or it was a very realistic illusion and then that should be mentioned. eitherway crowley did it.
- No, no, no. He didn't heal it, he reversed its affects. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:42 PM, February 26th 2013
- What's the difference?
- Okay to end this I went and found a video of the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38tQIteF6nk, now truthfully I'm unsure if it helps, from the way it glows its clearly not a burn, so it must be the effect of burning, but then it still doesn't leave a mark when Crowley removes it, so maybe your right. I think I'm going to need a third parties view before I deside though. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:18, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
Decide? You're acting as if you're the decider. =/ Anyone can edit the content to fit their interpretation, and it will be edited accordingly. I've come to learn this by CalebChiam. He gave Sammy a wart-like burn, and simply reversed its affects. Now, it could've been a controlled form of Pyrokinesis. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:58 PM, February 27th 2013
Or thermokinesis? He's shown both, I'm not putting myself up into some judge role, I mearly ment wether or not I was right that it isn't healing. So is it or isn't it? General MGD 109 (talk) 20:04, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
- No, most likely Pyrokinesis. Definitely not Thermokinesis. So, I think it's fair to say, in conclusion, he, Demon Crowley, simply reversed its affects. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:08 PM, February 28th 2013
- But that's like saying when Azazel broke John's neck he just reversed his affects. If he caused an actual burn and then made it disappear that should count as healing to some extent at least.
A Quote Section?[edit source]
I feel we should add a quote section since he the character has so many amazing quotes I figure we should add a section listing them rather than just keep replacing each top quote with a different one pluss we can't keep using multiple ones for the top.MrAnonymous (talk) 04:56, May 31, 2013 (UTC)MrAnonymous
I think that's an excellent idea.
Does anyone have any suggestions for quotes if a quote section is being made?
"Every demon on hell and earth has there eyes out for me! AND YET, here I am, last place I should be, in the road, talking to Sam and Dean Winchester UNDER A FRIGGING SPOTLIGHT! (explodes street light).220.127.116.11 22:34, March 10, 2017 (UTC)
Has Crowley inhabited his vessal longer than any other demon seen to date? He has only ever switched once, into kevins mom, and I think his lingetivity in this vessal which he seems to like, going as far to hide it in a closet for later use (indicating the human is dead), could be why his true smoke form is red, from being in one meatsuit for an extended period of time and hardly ever leaving it.
Well Meg and he are currently tied in that department. So we should wate till next season before we settle this. For all we know Meg may make a "surprise" reappearance.MrAnonymous (talk) 16:40, June 3, 2013 (UTC)MrAnonymous
- That would have nothing to do with his smoke being red. Meg, the demon, used a dead vessel and her smoke was still black. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:41 PM, June 3rd 2013
- The fact that his vessal is dead is not the point, it's the amount of time has has spent in it without leaving, it seems to be more than meg has spent in any of hers, and he seems to like it, almost like a true vessal for him, he has only been seen out of it once and that was extreme circumstances.
- I think the idea of him not being a demon is dropped now, as the ancient Abaddon recognised him a demon, I doubt a demon of her magnitude would not know about him, but like other demons she has black smoke, and she might aswell have been queen since she came back, but had presumembly not spent as long in that vessal.
- Princepurple (talk) 12:03, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, actually, Abaddon's smoke form is brown. I don't think his prolonged presence in that vessel did anything to the color of his smoke. And demons don't have... "true vessels." -- ImperiexSeed, 12:22 PM, June 4th 2013
- I agree, it looked pretty black when ever she tried her mind read trick. I personally took Crowley having Redish smoke as purely cosmetic. As King of Hell and an arrogant jerk he would want some way to deviate himself from the other demons when out of host. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:18, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Demons have no control over what color their smoke is. Crowley's happens to be scarlet. Even Azazel and Lilith's smoke forms were black. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:21 PM, June 4th 2013
- No, but you said he deviated himself from the rest by manipulating his smoke form, and I was saying, even Azazel and Lilith had the typical black smoke forms. I guess he could've charmed it. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:28 PM, June 4th 2013
Why was the quote section deleted from this page?
Crowley's powers.[edit source]
There seem to be certain things that crowley has done which could be labeled as abilities but on the other hand could be something completely different. For example, Crowley causes about four windows to shatter, which strongly resembles Rapahel and margaret fox's method which was done through creating a gust of wind. Does this mean that Crowley probably can manipulate weather (albeit to a very limited extent). Also, how exactly was he talking in kevins head? It clearly wasn't a hallucination because Crowley did really kidnap Kevin, so was it like telepathy? Or was it a spell? Any ideas?
Probably a spell, Crowleys very skilled at Magic, so it probably counts as a spell. As for the windows, it does resmebel that yes, but its possible he simply Telekinetically smashed them or used another spell. As for the first, I would say it was a spell. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:00, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
- I'd bet my wiki account that he did that telekinetically, however I suppose he could've ripped it off with the wind. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:03 PM, October 3rd 2013
- Well, when Sam and Dean got there, the windows were completely fine. It could've been a hallucination spell Crowley used. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 20:45, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
- Good point, he could have just tricked Kevin into running outside, where he grabbed him. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:54, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
- Either way, the question at hand remains; 'What does Crowley use, wind manipulation or Telekinesis?' I think, unless stated otherwise, characters move objects with Telekinesis. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:02 PM, October 3rd 2013
- It would have to be a very powerful form of telekinesis cause no other user has done that except with the wind. Also, doesn't dean say in "phantom traveler" demons can read minds, so they might have telepathy. And seeing as Azazel can enter peoples dreams, couldn't crowleys whispering in kevin's head be like a much weaker version of that power?
- There have been much greater feets of Telekinesis than shattering two planes of glass, if Crowley can restrain grown men and hoist a person ten feet into the air, breaking two windows doesn't seem out of the question. As no demon has ever shown this power ever, we can assume Dean was wrong, they didn't know much about demons back then and Dean was trying to explain how the demon could know about Jessica's death. The real reason as we later discovered was all Demons were working for Azazel, who was the one who ordered her death. True Azazel could, but in the show the have drawn a line between dream walking and Telepathy, plus Azazel was a lot more powerful demon than Crowley. I'm not saying he can't, but it seems most likely it was some sort of spell, as if he had Telepathy how come he didn't realise all those times others lied to him? General MGD 109 (talk) 17:02, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Fair point. I'm just saying it's possible as Crowley has demonstrated the most abilities for a demon on the show. Well to be fair, angels possess telepathy and they can still be tricked and lied to
- It is but I don't think its definate proof. I have to admit he has shown a lot of powers, probably because he's survived the longest. As far as I can tell Angels normally only possess telepathy with other angels, the only ones who have shown the power to read human minds are Zachariah and Castiel who are both Seraphs. Admittadly Zachariah was lied to several times, but considering how arrogant he is its possible he simply didn't think he could be tricked. Were as I would think Crowley would bother to check to see if his enemies have any secrets atleast once with all those dodgy deals he's made. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:44, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
The Moon[edit source]
crowly sais he had a deal with buzz to get the moon. in the page it is said that this is unlikly, since demon deals kill you after ten years. but this is not always true - we have seen other sorts of deals. for example, crowly had a deal with dick - the deal didn' invovle souls. i belive most demon deals involve soles, but crowly, as king of the crossroads, can have deals that involve other things - like the moon.CastedAway (talk) 18:25, January 12, 2014 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Most every deal made has to be exchanged for the soul - not....the moon, or anything else. Buzz sold his soul to go to the moon. There could be a deal somewhere in an episode where a soul is not required, which I easily exploit as retecon. At it's bare essence, the sentiment of making a deal doesn't have to involve souls, unless it's a supernatural deal. If Crowley made a deal to trim some dude's grass hedges, that doesn't require the man's soul. Demons are capable of making an arrangement with another individual without requiring a soul. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:10 PM, January 12th 2014
I kinda agree with CastedAway here that Crowley may have made a deal with Buzz so that he could go to the moon and later on Crowley could own it. I don't see Crowley being above making such a contract. Woof Choo (talk) 14:36, October 16, 2014 (UTC) Woof Choo
Crowley's hand in Bela's actions[edit source]
(NaiflidG here, too lazy to sign in) I was working on a re-vamped version of Lilith's page (I have one version incorporating Companion Guide information we know thus far as canon and an alternate one which keeps it strictly show-canon, depending on how the vote swings on the Demons' Talk page with regards to canonicity) and I realized a very simple reason for why Lilith sent demons after Sam, but I still couldn't parse out why she sent Bela after him when there was nothing for her to gain and virtually no way to guarantee his safety in that instance. I mean, you could argue that she was always ambivalent on the plan working--clearly she knew she was going to have to die from the start because she sent Ruby to train Sam to get the job done, yet she continually tries to kill him and wiggle out of having to die--and so while she tried to break the seals, she also tried to guarantee her survival by getting Sam killed, but that just seems ridiculously counter-productive and contradictory. Why put in that much effort to freeing Lucifer if you're working equally as hard at preventing his rise by saving yourself and killing his true vessel and the only guy who could kill him? However, she personally rarely--if ever--sought out the Winchesters herself, so she probably wasn't that concerned with hunting them down, and it's been suggested that she was faking her powerlessness against Sam, possibly up until her death. She wasn't too concerned with killing Sam directly. She sent demons to kill Sam (and Dean) in Season 3, but there's a simple explanation for that: it would look suspicious if she didn't order his death, given that he was seen as the main contender for becoming Azazel's replacement and other demons clamoring for the position were trying to kill him. Even then, she made sure that Ruby was always there to save Sam from getting killed by these demons. So, Sam was mostly safe from these demons, too. The only thing I couldn't figure out an explanation for was Bela. Lilith specifically sent her to kill Sam when there was no Ruby around and therefore no certainty that Bela wouldn't actually kill him, which would (as established above) be counterproductive to Lilith's end-game.
When I read Bela's section in The Essential Supernatural, it mentions that Bela stole the Colt and gave it to Crowley in attempt to trade it with Lilith for her soul, but that Crowley kept it for himself. Not that he was holding it for Lilith or that Lilith gave it to him; he kept it for himself. That got me wondering--did Lilith ever relay the order to kill Sam at all? Did she ever even realize that Bela got her the Colt? Let's say she didn't. In this hypothetical situation, Azazel and Lilith were King and Queen of Hell, respectively, and Crowley already has aspirations for becoming King but he has two big obstacles in his way: Sam, Azazel's hand-picked special child and the one everyone thought would become leader, and Lilith, Crowley's boss and the current Queen of Hell. With Lilith as the most powerful and high-ranking demon competing for rulership and soon afterward winning that rulership, Crowley quickly hitches his wagon to hers to gain as much power and authority as he can under her rule. However, he is still power-hungry and ambitious and wants to become King himself. That's when Bela comes in: she offers Lilith the Colt--the most powerful known weapon in the universe at this point--to get out of her deal. Lilith accepts the offer but sends Crowley to collect on it, to avoid Bela double-crossing her by shooting her dead with the Colt. Crowley sees an opportunity here. He does indeed collect the Colt, but now he tells Bela that Lilith has changed the deal: Bela must now kill Sam to get out of her deal. Bela believes him and tries to get the job done, only to fail; Crowley's attempted assassination of one of his two main rivals for the crown, using the woman who has previously bested the Winchesters in their prior encounters (the woman whom Crowley, therefore, had good reason to believe would succeed), fails. He never does give the Colt to Lilith because he plans to use it to kill Lilith and any other powerful demonic rivals once the time is right. He reports to Lilith that Bela never gave him the Colt as she had promised and keeps it hidden until "Abandon All Hope...", though he starts spreading the word that he has it a little earlier than that so that he can lure the Winchesters to him and arrange for them to use it to kill Lucifer. Because the Colt is never given to Lilith, Bela technically never fulfills her end of the bargain and so her original deal is still on, regardless of whether or not she succeeds at killing Sam. Crowley would view keeping Bela's contract intact as an especially good thing, seeing as how he hates to lose even one soul and has gone against his "stick to your promises" policy in deal-making to keep it (see the lengths he goes to in "Weekend at Bobby's" and "Taxi Driver" to keep Bobby's soul after Bobby sells it to him in "The Devil You Know"). Additionally, as far as he knows, Lilith wants Sam dead; he can use this as a cover for his true intentions should she ever find out that he told Bela to kill Sam. After Bela fails to kill Sam, Crowley decides to keep biding his time with the Colt tucked away as his fail-safe weapon to use once he has deemed the time right and the odds favorable for him to show his true intentions and enter the fray himself (probably once Lilith and Sam had their fight so that he could pick off the victor in the aftermath of the battle, but then Lucifer rose up and Crowley had to keep laying low). Alternately, if you entertain the thought that Crowley knew (thanks to being Lilith's right-hand man) that Sam was the only one who could break the final seal, then he could have been trying to covertly undermine Lilith's plan by preventing Lucifer's rise altogether without revealing his hand in it and risking her wrath. (I consider this far more unlikely because of the secrecy surrounding Sam's role, but it is certainly a fun idea and ties into his desire to stop Lucifer to save himself.)
We know that Bela dealt with Crowley (acting as Lilith's representative) at least part of the time and that she gave him the Colt. We know that her deal with Lilith got changed. We know that Lilith says that she is bound by her word when she makes a deal, but that Crowley has a history of going behind contractees' backs to add in secret clauses to keep souls for himself when there's the danger of those souls getting released from his contracts. All of this indicates to me that Crowley took the initiative to get Sam killed without Lilith's knowledge, and using Bela to do it (with the added bonus of keeping the contract on her soul intact). Is any of this making sense? I really like this idea because it makes a lot of sense to me and makes things more complicated and interesting than they seem at first. If you don't buy that as an explanation, why do you guys think that Lilith told Bela to kill Sam?--18.104.22.168 06:14, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
What do you guys think? In retrospect, I might be over-thinking it, but I was really caught up in the moment when I first thought of it and wanted to see if you guys could add anything to my theory.--NaiflidG (talk) 20:44, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
To be frank, while all of these may be true, I think it's mostly too far in (to use your phrase) fanwank territory (not unlike how I viewed many retcons you pointed out with in-universe explanations). I could argue that Crowley was also a staunch defender of deals (as evidenced in Time for A Wedding and in his frustration with Abaddon breaking deals), so it stands contradictory to your point that he would work his way around deals just so he could get what he want (which is also true and I'm not faulting you for using this point--Crowley really just happens to be such a sly character, it's difficult to tell which is which). Also, about the essential supernatural, I think I may have found a few problems with considering it as canon. But that's another discussion. FTWinchester (talk) 20:56, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
I'm the fanwank extraordinaire. But yeah, the more I think about it, the more uncertain I am that Crowley would dare pull any of this and risk Lilith finding out. I still think it's possible, but I've also realized that, in-universe, it's possible that this was another one of Lilith's fake-outs (sending Bela to kill him to keep building up the idea that she fears Sam and wants him dead) and that she could have tipped Ruby off to it to keep Sam alive--theoretically, Ruby could have been around off-camera (her rescue of the boys seem a little too conveniently timed to be coincidence--perhaps she was still stalking them, or perhaps Lilith was warning her whenever they got too close to an actual threat) and waiting for Bela to go after the boys before she bursts in, kill Bela, earn more brownie points in the Winchesters' eyes by saving Sam, and says that she just heard that Lilith was cutting deals for Sam's life, watch your backs, blah blah blah. Then Dean figured out on his own, he and Sam got out of there in time, and there was no need for Ruby to make an appearance, so she didn't. There's a lot of possible explanations, but Show won't get into them. Too bad. On Crowley, I think it mostly depends on what the writers need him to do to create/resolve conflict per episode, but there also may be something more to it when he decides to keep/go back on a deal; I'd have to go back and look at all the examples in more depth to see if there are any deciding factors (I suppose he could just be a hypocrite, but later seasons keep painting him as a man of his word when it comes to deals, so maybe there was just something about Bobby's deal--and possibly Bela's--in particular that he made a rare exception for).
As for The Essential Supernatural, I'm starting to really doubt that it (and the other Guides) should be canon. If you don't mind, could you post what problems it has fitting in with canon, over here for discussion?--NaiflidG (talk) 21:59, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
Unknown ability.[edit source]
When Crowley manages to stop bobby entering heaven using what looks like his smoke form, should that be listed as an ability? Don't know what you would call though. Any thoughts?
So there are other demons that have red smoke? And they just disappear when crowley leaves rather than fly away. Plus if ghosts can briefly overpower demons like Azazel, surely Bobby could break free from a few of crowleys grunts.
That is a point, I assumed when they just disapeared it meant demons can teleport without Hosts. But you you might be right. If it wasn't another demon it was probably a use of Crowley's magic, I'll have to rewatch the scene. By the way I wouldn't take that as face value, exactly how strong ghosts are isn't really clear, at times Sam and Dean have managed to break free from a ghosts grip, other times they can't. Its seems to be a case by case basis thing, and its even implied that it fluctuates in actual ghosts.General MGD 109 (talk) 19:22, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
The red smoke is not a demon in the same way that there was no angel that accompanied Bobby's soul into heaven. Those are just Crowley's and Naomi's visual representation of their respective powers. If the red smoke was a demon it would have fled when Naomi began to fire her white light or Naomi would have blasted that 'smoke demon' with White Light or exorcise it one way or another. Of course, you can argue that Naomi making a gesture with her finger counts as 'exorcism', but given the fact that it was too wispy as opposed to how demon smoke is usually portrayed, I think it doesn't count. FTWinchester (talk) 19:52, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
Should that qualify as an ability? I mean it's sort of like astral projection in the sense he's sort of projecting a part of his true form but it's not quite the same. If it is an ability and not a demon, Im not sure what you would call it.
I wouldn't list it, personally, because it seemed like all he did was block Bobby from ascending into heaven. I don't think it deserves the notability you're attributing to it; just a gesture demonstrated by a visualization. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:35 PM, January 21st 2014
Strength scale[edit source]
Is it just me or does Crowley's strength level seem really varied. I mean on one hand he was able to slaughter a nest of demons with barely a scratch on him (before he became the king of hell). When an army of demons attacks Cain's house he seems confident of his safety given that he knows he can't zap out of their and Cain and Dean clearly don't care if he dies. Yet he's knocked down by a mid level black eye demon? Plus Abaddon seems pretty confident she can beat crowley (and vice versa) and yet when she has him trapped in a building, literally a foot infront of him, she can't stop him teleporting away?
I have theory about color of Crowley's smoke;he maybe a monster made a deal with demons and pull in to hell human+monster+demon.
I would agree there, that Crowley's strength has fluctuated in seasons. Yeah, the writers, to keep the showing going, had to change the strength of average demons, to preserve Dean and Sam. Like, in season one, it appeared to be practically impossible for any human to get a hit on demons, which has obviously changed to keep the show from toppling off course. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:48 PM, February 5th 2014
Manifestation manipulation[edit source]
Can we please settle this once an for all. The demon Gerald possessed a new host before going to see Crowley in Hell so clearly he demons can enter hell while possessing their hosts. Crowley also possesses his host while he's in hell rather than manifesting (otherwise he'd have to vacate and store his host somewhere and it would rot as it has been shot multiple times). When Crowley snaps his fingers the entire host vanishes and it is grey dust that lingers briefly (Not Black Smoke) and Crowley clearly brushes it away with his hand so it's not demon smoke. Finally, for claims Crowley isn't strong enough to control reality to this degree, Crowley has the capability to terrify hundreds of demons (to the extent where they hesitate following Abaddon) and Alastair states reality is less concrete in hell than on earth. Therefore there is no evidence Crowley can control the way demons manifest. The only proof is that Crowley can snap his fingers and the demon in front of him turned into dust. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) 23:19, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
Whether or not most, or all, beings that use vessels can use them in the spiritual realm, is irrelevant to the fact that particularly angels and demons can use their vessel in the spiritual realm. As, otherwise, they would have to physically stow away their vessels somewhere before entering the spiritual realm, which isn't supported in canon. No demon of any authority, rank or power can vaporize even a black-eyed demon, even Cain had to touch them to smite them. So Crowley didn't vaporize the demon, he simply dematerialized it. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:11 AM, December 9th 2014
Either way he did not force the demon out of its host as stated on the page. No demon has demonstrated any abilities while in Hell itself so there is nothing to compare it to. Alastair could heal bodies after carving them down to the bone in Hell but stated that this can't be done on Earth because reality is too concrete. Therefore it is possible that turning other demons to dust is merely a standard ability for upper tier demons while in Hell. Who knows what demons like Cain, Lilith or Azazel could achieve in Hell. Point is clearly Crowley and Gerald were using vessels while they were in Hell so it is likely the one Crowley killed was as well. He clearly didn't force it out of its host as no black smoke is visible and after he has snapped his fingers all that remains is thin grey dust. It can also be assumed that Crowley killed the demon as all the others in the room are terrified and Crowley has a reputation for killing any demons who offend him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) 23:19, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, angels and demons can achieve higher volumes of power in their own domain to an extent, such as Zachariah being able to make night into day with the snap of his fingers, or Alastair being able to reassemble all of Dean's matter after torturing it to nothingness, but even in their own domains, angels and demons can't mentally destroy a member of their own race. As not even in Heaven could Michael kill Gabriel mentally, or Lilith, or Cain, kill a demon mentally in Hell. So, again, no, Crowley didn't kill the demon, he simply dematerialized his vessel. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:12 PM, December 9th 2014
Not true. Zachariah states he can kill Joshua in Heaven, likewise Raphael could kill Castiel in Heaven if he wanted. There's nothing to suggest angels can kill lower angels in heaven or demons cant kill lower demons in hell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) 23:19, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
You missed my point; if they can kill the entity on Earth, then, yes, they can kill them in their spiritual domain. Meaning that, yes, Zachariah can kill Joshua in Heaven, and Raphael can kill Castiel in Heaven. But, being in their domain doesn't inflate their power to the extremity where they can kill someone who they couldn't on Earth. Crowley not being able to vaporize a black-eyed demon on Earth means that he cannot do it in Hell either. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:57 PM, December 9th 2014
First of all, Zacharaih can't kill Joshua. That's absurd. Second, being in your spiritual domain doesn't necessarily enhance your powers. You can't kill something in hell that you can't kill on earth. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:29, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
I'd just like to point out to Imperiex that Raphael once left his vessel a drooling mess before using him again later to confront Castiel and Dean. So yes, for archangels at least, they sometimes leave their vessels on earth. What Crowley did, however, is quite difficult to explain. I myself am at a loss as to whether this is a retcon, or simply Carver's way of implying Crowley is now extra powerful (again), or things are just different in hell, or another case of meta-reasons affecting lore (i.e., angels who have true forms still appearing as their vessels in heaven scenes because of budget restrictions), or a combination of all. The anon has a point that the demon occupied a new vessel and was shown to have completely disintegrated without clue as to what exactly happened to the demon and/or the vessel. It was left unclear but seemed to imply that Crowley just outright killed the demon--which of course contradicts established lore (surprise, surprise) since even Cain had no capability to destroy even the vessel just like that. I think unless specified by the show, we need to make a footnote that there are several reasons that explain the scene in question. Because, honestly, it really doesn't seem clear. FTWinchester (talk) 04:25, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
Angel Blades?[edit source]
The fact that Crowley uses an angel blade to kill a demon in hell doesn't mean he can't kill them by a different manner in hell. Castiel can smite demons simply by placing his palm on their heads but also frequently kills them with his blade. Just because Crowley killed Gerald with an angel blade doesn't mean he didn't kill the demon who he turned to dust. It is quite possible that stabbing demons with a blade is simply easier or requires less strain that something as flashy as turning them to dust. Many demons like Abaddon or Azazel choose to kill humans with their bare hands, it doesn't mean they can't do it using their physic powers. The fact Crowley has used an angel blade in Hell doesn't imply or prove anything.
Remember to sign your posts so we can keep track of who's saying what. :) Anyway, due to the ambiguous nature of the evidence, I think the best solution would be to add a line saying, "It is unclear if doing this killed the demon" after describing how Crowley used his powers to reduce the demon to dust. It acknowledges the possibility without confirming it, which seems the wisest route to take if we want to remain unbiased.--NaiflidG (talk) 03:59, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- No, if I remember correctly, Cas' only used an angel blade to kill demons instead of smiting them only whenever his powers have been diminished. Whether or not Crowley can kill demons with pure brute force without any kind of magical weaponry is kinda mistily unclear. He might've killed the nest of demons in "The Devil May Care" with his own power or he could've just commanded his hellhound to mince them, but even ever since he turned into the King of Hell, he's always seen killing demons with angel blades, and I still say that he didn't kill that demon by snapping his fingers, but dematerialized it. So, it seems to be extremely clear that Crowley can't kill demons with his own might. Smiting is far more elementary than killing someone with an angel blade. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:40 PM, February 26th 2015
- I wrote over your post? I'm sorry, I didn't know that I did. Sorry again, NaiflidG. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:49 PM, February 26th 2015
- Castiel does indeed kill several demons with a blade when he still has his powers. He does this in "Goodbye Stranger" and "The Executioner's Song" and even when his powers are severly diminished in "Torn and Frayed" due to angel warding, he is still able to smite a demon (albeit with effort). I'm not making a claim that Crowley can kill demons by turning them to dust on Earth, but in Hell it's been stated reality is less concrete and therefore killing a demon by turning it to dust is not an impossible feat. Furthermore, Crowley commonly uses excentric or brutal methods of killing to intimidate witnesses to make them comply. In "A Little Slice of Kevin" he causes a kill to explode by snapping his fingers in order to intimidate Kevin and the other prophets and yet never uses this method again. It's quite possible that he saves abilities that are difficult to use (like biokinesis and turning demons to dust) for moments where he needs to frighten his victims into submission. Where as with demons who he simply wants to kill for disobedience, he stabs them as it is faster, easier and less straining that using psychic powers. I'm not claiming that he definately killed that demon, but the fact he used a blade doesn't prove he didn't either and in order to frighten his subjects I believe Crowley would have killed him. Simply staing that whether or not he killed the demon is unknown on the page would be a fair and unbias judgement (stromaggeddon (talk) 12:25 February 27th 2015
How come his page hasn't been updated since The Executioner's Song? The whole thing with Crowley capturing Olivette, his talk with Dean and kicking Rowena out, Sam trying to kill him and him going back to the dark side, and Rowena/Castiel's attempt on his life which, as it's not revealed until Season 11, he survives KillRoy231 (talk) 22:52, October 13, 2015 (UTC)
Where is the rest of the season 10 edits & season 11 edits? it was there yesterday but now it's gone.
crowley you going to die and be killed by sarah im so crazy Crowley in the Next Season[edit source]
I do not want Crowley to die in the next season. I think he should live on for as long as the series should. He is too entertaining of a character to be killed off. Sure he's a demon, but he is like the best "bad guy" supernatural has ever had. I think he should be in the next season.
crowley dont call sam mouse because hes not i love sam hes my man so kock it out as my own man leave him alone now my man jared padlecki thats my sam stop it crowley now please dont call my sam a mouse crowley because you are the mouse crowley im marrying sam if you stop nickname him sam is not shy leave him be now me and sam are together now you got get sam alone
- Hmmm. Maybe because he was evil at that time, we just didn't know it until Season 6 (though there was a hint with him killing Brady's human shields). He didn't start to be good (kinda, and on and off) until he got the human blood at the end of Season 8, he just acted like he was when he and the Winchesters were united against a common enemy. Still, he didn't antagonize Sam and Dean in any way in Season 5. KillRoy231 (talk) 06:32, May 14, 2017 (UTC)
Crowley's apparent death[edit source]
I think he took that rat as his vessel. For one thing he didn't do the flashing light thing when stabbed. For another, I wonder if that was actually Olivette in her hamster form???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:15, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
I'd say without the flashing Crowley is not dead. Whether he will die this season is still in question, but without flashy flashy he's not dead. Reminds me of 11x01. Kajune (talk) 01:23, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Me too. I listed him as Presumably Deceased because we don't know for sure either way but I suspect he's in that rat and it might actually be Olivette.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:24, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Quite obviously still alive. If he had died there would have been that light as was mentioned already, and there wasn't. We saw the rat next to Crowley before the stab, and then run after Crowley's body as it was dragged away... everything points to him possessing the rat before Lucifer stabbed him, or rather his long-dead vessel. KillRoy231 (talk) 06:26, May 14, 2017 (UTC)
Marco Soriano[edit source]
Remember when he possessed a woman and had an orgy with her husband, her husband's best friend, and her husband's best friend's wife?