Why deletion tag, this was a confirmed power in supernatural at least for Tricksters and Eve.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:05, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, didn't you read my edit summary? If you did, you would know, but I'll repeat it for you. God doesn't conjure, he uses his Omnipotence to create things, and it's unclear if Death actually created the reapers. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:10 PM, March 3rd

Well I know its not confirmed but since unless it was taken down again he is credit their creator on Deaths articles. As for God that is a toss up as Omnipotence normally mean allpowerful but as he describe in his powers than its fine. That is why I removed them after I made this page.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:14, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I please ask that you restore this page from deletion I will make any need changes. As since as for beings like Eve conjurations is a separate power from reality wrapping as well as a separate power from a Trickster's reality warping powers. Yes Tricksters can warp reality but they can as well create things and beings.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:22, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Crowley's statements.Edit

Iridium. Rarer than hell. Would’ve been cheaper to drop a castle on you, but I think we all agree – worth it. So, you start talking or I start chopping off all the bits that stick out. He wasn't saying that he could create a castle to drop on the Alpha Shapeshifter, that is would be cheaper."

And Best mind where you poke your nose, if you want to keep it to Sam. That was just a warning to stop nosing around. Its no different than the two Demons in Frontierland saying to Samue Colt to do what they said if he like his lungs in his chest. That just the demon using there superior than human strength or abilities over humans.

I am not saying removed Crowley from this list of holder. But those quotes are not accurate as they are too vague to say that he can create or uncreate based off those.: The Twilight of Your Despair 02:03, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

You keep saying that. It'd had to of meant something, I mean, what else could it have meant? And notice how he starts speaking like that after becoming the King of Hell, which is understandable as his power increased. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:17 PM, April 11th 2012

I agree with Twlight Despair 5. Those statement are too vague. But I remember Crowley using something like conjuration in Season 6, I just cannot remember where. 15:59, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

OK, it seems that Crowley can conjure things, like he conjured a giant role of parchment paper in Survival of the Fittest. However, the whole talk about Sam's nose and dropping a castle on the Alpha was most likely just typical demon trash talk. Remember, Crowley also claimed he had pulled Sam's body out of the Cage, when in reality it was Castiel who did that. So, Sam's nose and the castle shouldn't be used as evidence. Crowley being able to conjure the scroll is a good enough example on its own.-- MisterRandom2 (talk) 18:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

You tool. Well, actually, it seemed like Crowley already had it present in his over-jacket, and simply took it out, rather than conjure it, k. So you're wrong. Deal. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:31 PM, July 18th 2012
Ha, it looks like you got nothing to say. Understandable, since your stance is dead wrong, and is as much as incorrect as mine is. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:38 PM, July 28th 2012
I don't think he could have physically hidden that whole role of parchment paper on his body. That thing was enormous. Also it already had the preliminary terms of his contract with Dick written down on it. -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 18:44, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

To put things in perspective:
SPN 0080
-- MisterRandom2 (talk) 18:46, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but how does that make mine any less valid, hm? I don't how you can honestly think you know more about Supernatural than me, I am an admin, after all, and have been way longer than you. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:50 PM, July 28th 2012
Simply put, we never saw Crowley make Sam's nose disappear or drop a castle on the Alpha. We only heard him threaten to do it, just like he threatened to throw Sam back into the Cage, but in reality, he never actually had that power in the first place. -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 18:54, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Gee, you look a little mad. Is it cause I called you a tool justifiably? In any case, I'm warning you. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:56 PM, July 28th 2012
Ummmm... How exactly am I getting mad? -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 18:58, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
I can just tell. ;) I really thought we could be friends, but it seems like you're still obsessed with ridiculing and arguing with me. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:59 PM, July 28th 2012
Ok, you know what? Forget it. I'm just gonna leave now. I'll come back when it looks like you've calmed down a bit. Keelah se'lai. -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 19:07, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
You? Leaving? Finally! Thank you. I've had enough of you. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:12 PM, July 28th 2012
what are you, twelve year old? you should be enbarrazed of yourselves, specially you Imperiex sice you're an admin, acting like some jackass from (not trying to insult you or anything, not holding any anger on you) Damon-Balthazar-Salvatore (talk) 21:05, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Huh, well I appreciate your trying to settle this, but MisterRandom2's the immature one here, believe me. All he does, is lecture, antagonize, and reprimand me on disputes over Supernatural information, trying to sound like he knows more, or as if his opinion/viewpoint is more valid than mine. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:19 PM, July 28th 2012

Creating/conjuring Edit

I propose the wiki changes the page to fit canon. Creating isn't the same as conjuring; creating is the ability to make something out of nothing, conjuring is the ability to reshape the properties/values of present matter. Only God can design things, while archangels can simply modulate things in creation, like when Gabriel molded the fake archangel blade out of an orange soda can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

I've always seen "Conjuration" being used to mean either the creation of something out of nothing, or the summoning of supernatural entities. It's been used by illusionists for centuries when they perform their magic tricks to seemingly create something out of nothing, for example.

Orion (T-B-C) 09:56, June 14, 2019 (UTC) 

Yes, conjuring can also be used to mean to summon something instantaneously. Take for example when Maggie Stark made the bees appear, she just summoned them from elsewhere, she didn't actually create them. Or when Gabriel trapped Sam and Dean in TVland, his props were objects he refashioned from other materials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Tricksters Immortal Demi-Gods can “create” things out of thin air according to Bobby as far as season 2.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 14:10, June 14, 2019 (UTC) 

Bobby isn't omniscient and sometimes lore can be misinterpreted or mistranslated. Loki, one of the strongest tricksters, created a hologram, but it wasn't real matter. The chicks in "Tall Tales" were likewise conjured holograms. It stands that only God can create something out of nothing, archangels and others can only reshape the properties of present matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

But there isn’t any “direct” evidence only God can create from nothing. What about Jack, he created a body for Mary but because it didn’t have any of her original body it was just a shell and couldn’t hold a soul. There isn’t any direct canon statements to say only God can create.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 16:10, June 14, 2019 (UTC)

Technically, God created the multiverse with empty matter, but nothing else can manipulate it. Jack is a special case, he probably would've become more powerful than God if he matured. If you follow my line of evidence, it's clear archangels can't create, now together they might be able to manipulate the abyss and produce matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

What abyss? What's "empty matter"? Honestly, it sounds like you're just trying to force fanon into canon. None of that has been said in the show.

Orion (T-B-C) 17:05, June 14, 2019 (UTC)

Also Loki’s Hologram actually is rather different or a more advanced of conjuring. It can affect things physically but also can’t be affected. That is contradictory and adds more to that magic doesn’t have to follow natural laws.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 00:02, June 15, 2019 (UTC)

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