04:01, May 7, 2011 (UTC)Can Cas be considered a antagonist now?
Given the events of "The man who would be king." can he be considered a villain?
Not yet in my opinion.... I don't think his "villainization" has been set in stone yet.Resistancefighter 04:01, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
No, in my honest opinion, right now, I believe that classing him and labling him a villain would be incorrect... Let's wait for further information before making such a change to his page... -- ImperiexSeed, 12:16 AM, May 7th 2011
No, I think Castiel is more of an Anti-Hero--Voyagersknight 14:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
@Voyagersknight I couldn't have said it better! He's an anti-hero for sure.... Resistancefighter 19:16, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
Does he will appear in season 7 later than he died?....castiel2000 7:56,nov 27,2011
Castiel is an anti-hero in season 4, a main protagonist in season 5 and a supporting antagonist in seasons 6 and 7
Is He Become "GOD"?
Is He Become As Powerful as real God Or Just some Other Very Powerful Deity (like as powerful as Mother of all?)
I think Cas is just a really powerful deity as of right now.... he's beyond powerful, but only because of the monsters he's absorbed. His reach is beyond anything we can think of but still finite as a far as I can tell from what we've seen in the finale. Resistancefighter12:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
--It is confirmed now by Death in season 7 that he had become no more than a "mutated angel." Basically, aborbing all those souls, including the Leviathan, made him powerful, but at a cost. It was burning up his vessel and literally almost tore him apart.
Vashtari19:33, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
No. Even after absorbing all the powers of Purgatory's souls he was still no match for Death who was completely unimpressed with Castiel's new power.L4D2 Ellis 23:00, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
The great being Chestnut
Using a translator from Latin to English, Castiel means: Chestnut, a chestnut or chestnut. Interesting isn't it? Also Castiel's name was spoken by Sam in Red Sky at Morning while summoning the ghost brother, if you listen carefully one of the first few words Sam says is "Castiel"--Alpha Lycos 08:34, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
-- Cassiel (go to Wikipedia for that) is one of the 7 archangels mentioned in post-biblical lore. I think they simply altered his name so it would sound cooler. I haven't seen anything from the writers on his name though. Since the other names, like Raphael and Uriel are from the same angelic lore, it makes sense that they would pull from that.
Vashtari 06:44, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Especially in the last few episodes of season 6 he is shown to be invisible to those he doesn't want to be able to see him (or at least to the winchesters and bobby), shouldn't this be added to his powers? 220.127.116.11 14:54, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Did Castiel die on his own after returning all the souls to Purgatory, or did Death kill him, because, I recall Death telling Sam and Dean to "get Castiel to return the souls to Purgatory, and he'll take care of the rest."18.104.22.168 01:09, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
In reply to the last, no death did not say he would take care of the rest, he just said he would make another eclipse.
Im sure its just one of those things people forget about so here this is the clip with that part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2bKwFDd1EY Bullet7314 03:04, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
This article needs severe cleanup
I edited an early portion where someone stated as a fact that Castiel became God, when Death later mentioned he was simply a mutated angel from absorbing the souls. I hope that someone can go through and properly clean up this rather messy article. So many go in and add loads of crap without reading to see if there's any redundancy. Wikia's website does have proper templates to use. No one will take Supernatural Wikia very seriously if there's lots of incorrect info around here. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy, and it would require re-watching old stuff and looking up articles for citation. Meanwhile I would ask that one of the admins tag this article for cleanup.
Vashtari 06:44, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
He became a deity briefly, even the supernatural Superwiki states this. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Castiel.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:37, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
--Like I said, he didn't become "God" himself. He may have attained powers like a lesser deity, but in the end he was nothing more than an angel who absorbed more power from the souls. The Superwiki isn't a legit source because anyone can edit it. Unless things are cited by a legit source, such as the writers themselves in an interview we can link to, don't just take everything another wiki says as fact. It won't hold up here at all. I don't think you understand how Wikis and the Wikia really work, if you're willing to say "The superwiki says so." If you haven't noticed, they're as weak and dirty as bathwater unless the right people come in with good, solid resources.
Vashtari 20:05, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
I meant, he became a deity not a deity like God.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:58, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
--I still think the Superwiki's claim is inaccurate. I've not read anything official stating he truly became a deity. From what I've seen first hand, it was the powers of the souls, particularly the Leviathan, that gave him strong power. He had altered power. He wasn't born into it, therefore being anything like a deity, such as the pagan gods, or even a daeva, wouldn't apply to him. In all cases that we've seen a true deity, they were naturally occuring. Unless Castiel ate ambrosia and became a god that way, I doubt he'd ever truly be one. That's why I keep saying he wasn't a deity. I only go based on the facts the show presents.
Everyone's still debating on whether or not Chuck is god, and they haven't said yes or no, so we can't say he was, lol.
Vashtari 21:03, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Castiel & Cassiel
I changed Notes to Trivia. I also added that Castiel is based off of Cassiel. I can't find the official references to this, but there are several people who have found this. If someone has a solid producer reference, I'd be very grateful for someone to add that in.
Cassiel's ruling day is Saturday. Uriel and Cassiel are 2 of 3 angels (along with Machatan) who are mentioned as being the angels of Saturday, which is where I believe the mentorship between the two stems from. Most of these cases are with Kabbalah. There are also 7 archangels in mythology, Cassiel and Uriel being among the 7. I wish the sources I listed were stronger, however, from reading both, it sounds like both sources did a lot of research, but failed to list their own sources.
Castiel has Relativitic reaction time, and Masssively Faster than Light
castiel was able to search an entire city ( every nook and cranny) in literally a small few seconds and low tier angels such as castiel at the time can move thousands of kilometers to places like jerusalem and back in short time frames as well. So the very least Castiel has relativistic reaction time and is massively Faster than Light.
Castiel as a Seraph
I've heard it on the latest episode. My only qualm is how and since when? Any ideas?
I didn't really like that revelation, to be honest. While I like that it gives us more information on the character, "seraph" seems like it might be too high-ranking for him; I always pictured him as more as more middle-lower-ish on the hierarchy. But I guess if it bothers me that much, I can just fanwank that he was originally lower-ranking but God brought him back as a seraph in "Swan Song" as a reward for his loyalty/help. (It also makes it a little likelier than he held Raphael and half of Heaven off for over a year, even with Crowley's fifty-thousand soul loan.)
I think that's what happened. Castiel was fairly weak in season 4 and was easily overpowered by Alistair twice. While not exactly canon, there has been evidence that Castiel was brought back stronger at the end of "Swan Song" and it was just revealed that he was specifically a Seraph. It makes a lot more sense for the angels to have followed Castiel's leadership against Raphael as a Seraph than as a regular angel.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 03:40, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
That is also what I was thinking--that when he said God made him better, he was perhaps turned into a Seraph. Thanks. I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking it was post season 5 that he began to rank as a Seraph.
You're welcome. I believed the same thing as well because we only know of 4 angel classes, Archangels, Seraphs, Angels and Cherubs. Cherubs are supposedly the lowest so when Castiel said that he was "new and improved", I figured that he rosed to at least Seraph level but not Archangel level as he was no match for Raphael.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 04:07, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
I think we need to give him a S8 picture
He hasn't been been back in the living world so maybe until then we should give him a S8 profile pic. I mean it seems approprate and up to date.MrAnonymous (talk) 04:26, November 1, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous
Well that was really more of a "last resort" thing, there wasnt much more he could do other than try, even if chances are 100 to 0 of him failing to smite them. Winchester7314 (talk) 03:06, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Probably. But I'm thinking Castiel is really more powerful than he seems to be, as if the writers really want us to see how he is slowly becoming more and more powerful. FTWinchester (talk) 03:07, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Castiel is Metatron
Anyone else think this is coming in the story? Ill bet my beard on it that they write in Cas as Metaron having lost his memory. It is probably why the tablet reacted that way when he touched it a few episodes ago. Maybe because he wrote it, it has some power to free him from Naomi's influence...Thoughts?
- Castiel is not Metatron. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:22 PM, April 4th 2013
- Agreed, he was only a regular angel, then got upgraded by God to the rank of Seraph, why would Michael allow his brother to think he was just a regular angel if he lost his memory? And Castiel mentions watching man for millions of years, while Metatron left at somepoint after creation was finished. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:47, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure if...
...Castiel holding Dick Roman's head back by the hair is really a feat of incredible strength. I mean, all he has to do is... grab the hair. It's not like Dick's body has an anti-"being grabbed" ability; it's just a physical body. And Cas only grabbed him for a few seconds. It just seems really odd to me that simply grabbing Dick is considered being better at "holding his own" against leviathans than other angels in the Notes section. Ensephylon (talk) 20:23, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
- The beasts, called the Leviathans, are stronger than Angels, yes. And, I agree, it was a remarkable feat. But, he only needed to restrain him for a few seconds for Dean to stab him. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:47 PM, May 3rd 2013
- I would like to point out that even Sam got in a few punches on George the leviathan in "Out With The Old", and Dean hit Joyce with an trophy which knocked her head to the side as it would with anyone else. To me, that shows that a leviathan's body is just a physical shell that can be manipulated by anyone. How strong a leviathan is shouldn't have any effect on that; it's literally just a transfer of kinetic energy as is anything else. In fact, if they did have some sort of resistance toward being pulled/punched/held/whatever, then cutting their heads off with machetes shouldn't work because logically, the blade wouldn't be able to cut through them, not would bullets be able to penetrate them. Granted, Castiel held back Dick, who is stronger than Cas, but Joyce and George are probably the same distance (if not further) away from Sam and Dean in terms of power that Dick is from Cas. Ensephylon (talk) 21:01, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
- That is a very good point. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:08, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. And yes, in vessels, on Earth, the Leviathans are confined to the laws of physics - or, the vessels, which they are using, are. But, Angels aren't, as they can, apparently, utilize the power of flight in a vessel. Take, for instance, the confrontation in "Lazarus Rising." When Dean stabbed Castiel with the Knife, it didn't budge the vessel Castiel was using. So, theoretically, an Angel could not be pushed. So, in vessels, they show no signs that they're confined by inertia-- ImperiexSeed, 7:00 PM, May 5th 2013
- That is a point about angels, but Ensephylon does have a point, grasping Roman's head back isn't so much of a feat, if he held it there it would be. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:38, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, but you have to keep in mind that, while they're constrained by the laws of physics, Leviathans possess super strength in vessels. So, Dick should've been able to snap/whip his snap back, as he's stronger than Angels. But, like I said, all Dean needed was that one second. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:44 PM, May 6th 2013
Redundant section. Rehash needed.
I've tried to initiate rewriting this, but General MD has been adamant about me not altering this page. So I would like to call to the community's attention my felt need to rewrite this article and my issue on redundancy. My gripe about this is that the article is so lengthy, which, is not really bad in itself. However, if you take the time to actually read this page, it is composed of many redundant statements.
Case in point--describing Castiel's powers in his 'Soul-boosted' phase. The line 'Mutated (angel)' has been used six(!!!) times in the whole article, and the lack of 'flapping wings' implying a change in his 'true form' in conjunction to the 'Mutated (angel)' is written on the page three times. In the page's state before I tried to rewrite it, Death dismissing Castiel's powers was even stated three times as well---all in one section (it's currently still sitting at two). Is it really that necessary to mention it that much?
It doesn't add anything more to what was already implied the first time it was mentioned. Granted, the second time may be for emphasis, but six times? Really? It's like a child writing to reassure and convince him/herself that Godstiel was nothing more than a mutated angel and that he couldn't threaten Death and the real God. I don't see the literary point in it. The page is not an argument for debate. FTWinchester (talk) 12:39, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
True that, FTWinchester. Even I've observed the repetitive use of Mutated Angel. Once or twice should be more than enough. The whole article is just beating around the bush.ME$$AIAH 16:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)RaghavD
Human castiel's Vessal.
With Castiel losing his grace and becoming human, does this trap him inside his Vessal? I thought Jimmy was still alivw, in which isn't it now a case of 2 souls inone body? How does this work, or is did Castiels grace removal send Jimmy's soul to Heaven?
I thought Dean said something like "one-way trip to Heaven" when you cure a demon, probably the same as when an angel loses their grace, similar to Anna.
If Jimmy's soul ever comes back it will look funny with 2 x his vessal at once hehe, does this mean that castiel is still in a vessal though? but just an empty one? and does this mean that Jimmy cannot be resurrected?
22.214.171.124 12:00, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
Cas was very powerful as "God". Would I be right to assume that this means he was powerful enough to have killed Lucifer if he had wanted to?
The counter for that, as most people speculate is that, Castiel was keen on keeping Lucifer and Michael caged even after he became "Godstiel", so he couldn't be as powerful as God (who is supposed to be the strongest and by default, stronger than Lucifer). Even Death dismissed him off saying he was just a mutated angel at the most.RaghavD Taking the ROAD less travelled 05:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
The the person didn't say that Castiel was as powerful as God, but he/she did ask if he were more powerful than Lucifer. I'd say yes, even if he wanted to keep Michael and Lucifer in the Cage. Castiel did say he wanted to do away with Hell entirely. I think the only reason why Castiel didn't want to deal with Michael and Lucifer was because he still had an innate fear of them both, because he always knew them as the two most powerful angels. It also makes no sense that he was willing to take on Death and not the two Archangels when Death is far more powerful than any being other than God himself. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:45, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not pitching in the Godstiel vs. Michael/Lucifer to avoid another slip into arguments, I would just like to react on the first question posted. Some say Jimmy is already dead since Castiel has been killed at least twice by very powerful creatures. However, angels couldn't walk the earth without a proper vessel, so Jimmy has to be alive still. The same problem is presented with the cured demons. They never really explained what happens to the vessel once the demon becomes human again. At least I don't recall any. FTWinchester (talk) 01:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Well, my reasoning for why I believe Jimmy is still alive, is why would God ressurrect Castiel, but not also his vessel? Look at it this way, each time God ressurrected Cas, he "reconsitutied" Jummy in the process, wheras he could have simply done the latter alone and Cas would have just moved on to a new vessel (e.g Jimmy's daughter) after the death/destruction of his previous one (ala Raphael). My point is I honestly can not believe God would restore a person in body, but not in soul, just to continue to serve as an angel's vessel as an empty shell. 126.96.36.199 07:24, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
Should Meg be added under "affiliations" (in the side bar)? Their relationship seems substantial enough to be included, I just wasn't sure if there was a specific criterion for inclusion in this section. Honestly, he was also allies with Crowley for a good sized chunk of Season 7, so it would make sense for there to be a "Formerly" affiliation for him as well, being that neither are really included in the "Winchester Family", which tends to be a catch all.
And what does it mean by "Himself" in that section? Is that referring to when he was a self proclaimed god at the beginning of Season 7? Or does it have to do with him breaking his ties to the Angels? Or what? Either way, is it really necessary? Paradox Wolf (talk) 10:28, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
Crowley should also be mentioned in the Affiliations section. He didn't really affiliate with Meg. Their relationship stemmed from circumstances. Like he needed her for one or two occassions. She just tagged along out of love for him. Crowley on the other hand was a "business partner". And I'm guessing, the Himself must be during the Godstiel phase. RaghavDAll I need is ONE life, ONE try, ONE breath, I'm ONE man 13:50, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
- One of the reasons that I think Meg should be included is because he's included in her Affiliations. Also, she was his "nurse" and one of the few people that he trusted after leaving the hospital, calling her his "caretaker", saying that she was the "saint that stayed with him, and that he owed her" (assuming that we believe Meg, and given most of what Cas was doing and saying at this point, I do). In Season 8, before her death, she hinted at wanting the two of them to start a physical relationgship (how this would be accomplished given angel's supposed lack of "junk" is debatable, but irrelevant), which Castiel did not seem to be against. This all makes it seem to me like he felt that there was a fairly substantial relationship there. But maybe I've misinterpreted what this section is for.
Im not sure i should put this here, but when Castiel was resurectted in the season 5 finale, I actually thought he was God. But in season for, when he faught Uriel, he said he served heaven and God. I thought that because Castiel was loyal to God, I thought that he probably has met God, he probably just doesn't remember or at the least never told anybody.
Castiel lost and regained another grace
If Castiel has got Theo's grace does that mean he is a Angel or a Seraph I am so confused? is he a Seraph or Angel currently?
- An angel, currently. At least, that's how it's presented in the dialogue of the episode. So, no, he's not a seraph. Here, read this. I hope it helps with your confusion: "You got your mojo back," Dean asks. "I don't know, but I am an angel," replies Castiel. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:12 PM, January 11th 2014
so how strong is cas now with the stolen grace?
Castiel possesses the exact amount of strength and power Theo did when he had his grace. Now that verge of equalization I can't define definitively, sorry. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:01 PM, January 30th 2014
It was seen that castile got theos grace in Holy Terror did he become a Seraph again or an Angel?
- Unanswered and unclear. By logic, however, it should mean he is an ordinary angel. The grace is the source of an angel's power. If the grace came from an ordinary angel, then it should stand to reason that it only bears the power of a regular angel. This of course is just my opinion. FTWinchester (talk) 22:55, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
- After 'captive's' I would say regular angel, as although he casually beat Bartholemew, that seems just as a case of skill, he obviously is not a seraph, if he so seraphs are not that good, as when he was originally captured im sure those two angels would approach a seraph more cautiously, when castiel tried to prevent bartholomew killing that captive angel, why were two standard angels capeable of stopping a seraph? surely he could have prevented the kill if seraphs are truley more powerfull than regular angels by such the gap claimed, or bartholomew would have not even attempted to assert authority over or try to confront a seraph when normal angels know full well seraphs easily outmatch them.
- Also, notice the way castiel noticed that they were not going to let him leave, could a seraph not simply teleport out easily?? there was too much showing in the episode of castiels inability to control the situation or actually inspire fear into his regular lower angels, sure, they moved aside afterwards, but only because castiel had killed their leader, im sure if castiel stole theo's grace, something bartholomew knew, he would know how it would effect castiels powers, and also the 'if i wanted you dead, you would be' does not fit the level of supiriority that seraphs supposedly hold over lower angels.
- Princepurple (talk) 02:11, March 11, 2014 (UTC)
- Castiel's not a seraph, he's now a regular angel because he's powered by the grace of a regular angel. Cas seemingly can no longer teleport. The grace in Castiel is of an angel who was affected by the fall and his wings were shredded to nothing or near nothing-and seeing as how the wings has to, in some way, be powered by the grace, I'd say Castiel can't ever teleport unless he retrieves his own, or if God or Death fix it. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:03 PM, March 10th 2014
- Is it fixed on his page then? someone mentioned on either bartholomews or castiels page that he was no match for the seraph castiel??
- Princepurple (talk) 16:19, March 11, 2014 (UTC)
Once the leader??
During season 6, if half of heaven aligned with raphael and the rest with castiel, then following him becoming 'mutated' killing the archangels and all of his followers, would this mean that every other Angel seen since with the exception of imprisoned angels or metatron, were under castiels leadership? this may or may not include bartholomew but im not sure how Naomi and her intel division fell into it, but malachi, theo and such would have once followed castiel???
Oh man, that's a really good point. Definite error on the writers' part. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:51 PM, February 16th 2014
The faction has always been hazy, which is why Naomi's introduction was out of nowhere. ANd it didn't help that the writers did not elaborate exactly what Naomi was. They had all the time to write about that Rit Zien crap but did not even mention Naomi's rank and where she stood during the civil war. If her protoge Bartholomew was under castiel's leadership, logically she should have been as well. FTWinchester (talk) 10:39, March 11, 2014 (UTC)
Castile was always a Seraph
There is no such thing as a common angel class. There are archangels, Seraphs, Cupids, Reapers, and Rit Zens. Archangels are obviously first class, and Castiel stated that Cupids are third class. Since seraphim are stronger than cupids, and weaker than archangels, they are second class. Therefore, there is no "angel" class between Seraphim and Cupids. That means we need to get rid of "angel" as a type of angel since I have proven it is just a generic term for all the celestial beings. This being said, Castiel was always a Seraph, and didn't become one after being brought back by God. When he said "new and improved" he meant he got his wings back. Also, this means that Seraphim cannot kill high-tier demons, as showed when Castiel (the seraph) could not smite Alastair. That means Seraphim, or anything below it cannot kill a knight of hell, as previously thought. I think we need to update the wikia so that it has all the correct information. Even the Admin Imperiexseed didn't believe it until I told him, and everyone knows how great an admin he is, and how he takes care of this wikia. We both think that all these pages need to be updated to the right info. Castiel was always a Seraph, there is no type of angel called common angel, and seraphim can't kill knights of hell or high-tier demons. --Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 06:25, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
- or, and bear with me on this one, the ranking system is Archangel(strongest), Seraph(weaker), Angel(weaker then seraph/rank and file) Cupid("3rd class" pacifist angels) Reaper(neutral angels loyal to Death) and Rit Zen(specialist combat healers), Also, if there is no "Angel" class wouldnt Castiel have been able to tell Zachariah to shove it? Phazeblade (talk) 23:34, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Can Cas be Sam and Dean's angel? Was that what Cas was doing all along? Looking over them?
Shouldn't his species be turned back to Seraph
As he has his grace back he's technically a Seraph again since its the grace The Metatron took from him during the Trials of Heaven.
Someone said Jeremy Carver said on twitter that he shortens Castiel's name as Cass, but I never seen his twitter, only a fake one that makes fun of supernatural. Adam Glass spelled it cas on his twitter though, and the official supernatural cw page twittered it a coupla times. https://twitter.com/AdamGlass44/status/601241731254779904 and https://twitter.com/AdamGlass44/status/601243039651074049 and https://twitter.com/AdamGlass44/status/601239372617265152 are where he twittered it, and the middle one was retwittered by the offical supernatural page
The same person just put it back in, but I'm pretty sure it's just her fan-fiction name for Castiel, cus Jeremy Carver doesn't even hav a twitter!.!See. I mean, it looks like his Twitter, but I could be wrong. So, it's just a fan's? -- ImperiexSeed, 5:22 AM, July 31st 2015
That's not his twitter, and this fan simply always has to say things simply to make fun of and hate on supernatural, and make a fool of Mr. Jeremy Carver.
It would be so frakkin cool if he made one though. We could ask him so many questions :) He probably doesn't want everyone messaging him 247, so it makes some sorta sense I guess.
How did Castiel get the power to pull Sam out of the Cage?
Cass never dies by Raph
Castiel was never killed by Raphael. The only angel to ever kill him was Lucifer. Raphael just beat the crap out of him to prove that he was stronger than Cass. Buttergriffin332 (talk) 15:44, January 17, 2016 (UTC)Buttergriffin332
Yes he was. Raphael was the Archangel that "smote the crap out of him" off-screen in Lucifer Rising. Castiel himself confirms this in Free To Be You and Me, naming Raphael as the angel who killed him. This was just before Sam killed Lilith, breaking the final seal and releasing Lucifer. Lucifer doesn't kill Castiel until the end of the apocalpyse, in Swan Song. Raphael doesn't "beat the crap out of him" until sometime after, between S5 and S6, as seen in the flashback scenes in The Man Who Would Be King. Gabriel456 (talk) 16:48, January 17, 2016 (UTC)
Host of Heaven
Cas is Cass now?
- OMG that is so totally Misha. i love him and would personally vote for third party Ca$ over Cass on election day lolReka12452 (talk) 00:08, October 19, 2016 (UTC)
- I think Misha would be very amused/horrified if he knew that a bot was commisioned to change every single instance of Cas to Cass on this wikia. I think it completely misses the satire of his post, which is a huge aspect of Misha-ness.Reka12452 (talk) 17:47, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, his species box looks kinda different I guess?
He did die after being possesed by the Leviathans, God then resurrected him, again. Also can Castiel's status be updated. Right now it says "Deceased (Killed by Lucifer), other characters who've died and been resurrected have a part of their status say "killed by ________ and then ressurected by ________". So Castiel's status should be updated to "Deceased (Killed by Raphael, resurrected by God, Killed by Lucifer, resurrected by God again, Killed by the Leviathan, resurrected by God for a third time, Killed by April, resurrected by Gadreel, and Killed by Lucifer) or something like that. Jman321 10:43, July 5, 2017
Jman321, that is a good idea, but I don't know if it's unnecessary, since Cas's page already has a death tally, and he's died and been resurrected much more than most other characters. Sam and Dean's pages don't have a long list of deaths either. Dtol (talk) 18:18, July 6, 2017 (UTC)
In 12x10 Ishim said to Castiel "After you left us you have your own flight to command. Uriel, Balthazar; good soldiers." Does this mean that he was apart of Ishims garrison until the 20th century when he moved to Anna's garrison and then took charge when she fell? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:11, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
Cass: "They're from the Garrison – my old Garrison. Looks like Hester's taken over. We were assigned to watch the earth. Often, it was boring. The wars were very boring and the sex – you know, the repetition. Anyway, I was, uh... I was their captain. Isn't that strange?" here is a proof. SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:00, February 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
Castiel's Never-Happening Demise
I do not mean to sound as if a partial spoiler, but I never ever ever ever want Castiel to die. he has been in the TV series for too long and he does not deserve to die. Not the Winchesters own personal guardian angel. I want him to live on.
I do not want to sound rude or like I'm whining but.....where.....on God's green Earth.....is Casitel!?
Now that the cosmic entity has brought Cas back to life does anyone think you should have all of his old seraph powers back i.e. Advanced Chronokinesis and telporation. Cas said when God ressurected him he was "re-assembled" shouldn't he now be "re-assembled" with his wings restored. -- November 3, 2017 19:20 User:Jman321
The state of his wings depends on if the Cosmic Entity also restored his connection to Heaven. If I am remembering correctly Cass's broken wings as well as that of other angels such as Gadreel, the angel who possessed Sam in Season 9, (except archangels who are independent from Heaven, hence why Lucifer's wings are seen as being in "mint condition" since his second jailbreak) was a result of the Fall in the Season 8 finale. 188.8.131.52 05:12, November 4, 2017 (UTC)
If only the cosmic entity has power over the empty where supposedly angels and demons go after they die,then how die God resurrect Castiel the 3 previous times?184.108.40.206 12:02, November 4, 2017 (UTC)
Seraphs don't need a connection they can retain their powers even if they're cut off from heaven and become fallen angels. Jman321 19:08, November 5, 2017
Jman is right Seraphs do not need a connection to heaven. the angels wings were damaged as they fell from heaven not because they were cut off from it. also it is possible that only God can rebuild his grace and his powers and that that is what was ment by rebuilding him. I'm split of if Cas will have any powers now that he is back or not. we do know he did not get his wings back at least since he had to call for a ride.
Resurrected vs rebuild
I think it is safe to assume that God recreated Castiel from scratch every time he died. God clearly used the word "rebuild" and the Cosmic Entity mentioned that God can't pull strings in the void. So there should be at least (+ potential multiverse counterparts) three Castiel's sleeping forever in the Empty. We should thus replace "resurrected" with "recreated" or "rebuild" everywhere in the article. --220.127.116.11 18:59, November 11, 2017 (UTC)
Since the writers have made mistakes in the past, and the coincidence that Jack only awoke one Castiel for reasons unknown, despite calling Castiel's name (by logic, shouldn't all three wake up then?), I think that we should wait for further information before changing it. Writers have been known to retcon and make continuity errors (sometimes repeatedly). Dtol (talk) 19:14, November 11, 2017 (UTC)
God could've made a deal with it. The Entity implied it was not above making deals.
There is also the possiblity that while God has no power inside of the Empty, and therefore can not wake things up, that he can still pull things out of the empty with out waking them first. How ever his inability to recall Archangels would be in question if this was true. The writers seem to like answering questions by making even more. We now know what happens to angels and demons after they die but so many more questions have been raised as a result.
More dead than usual?
Ok this question has been boring a hole in my brain for awhile now. Between seasons Misha gave an interview and said that Cas was more then dead than usual. I shrugged it off thinking it was just something he said but had no real meaning. Then the angel said something similar in the jail about him being all the way dead. Well will all the debate about resurrection and the empty these statements keep coming back in my mind and now they will not leave me alone. So can any one explain how he could have been more dead then usual or how he was all the way dead this time but not before?
- I'd guess God intervened before he reached the Empty in the past. Without God doing that this time, he was "all the way dead" since not even God has influence over the Empty and its inhabitants and thus could not bring him back again.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:46, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
Cass and resurrection and Jack
First let me say that I think that fact I even have to make this post in the first place is ridiculous. How ever rules are rules (3r Rule). Can we get a consensus on the fact that Jack did not resurrect Cass. He simply woke him up by unknown means. It was not said what he did or if he used telepathy to wake him up. This also links in with the talk page on Jack for the same reason. found here --ThomasNealy (talk) 00:55, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
Agree that Jack don't ressurrected Cass, about the telepathy i really think that it could be considered a advanced form of this, since Jack thought about Cass and he wake up listening Jack's thoughts, what else could be? --Doctor49 (talk) 01:19, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
Telepathy is speaking mind to mind or accessing the mind of another in some way. While I will agree that Jack is a Telepath. to say that this is that he used to wake Cass up is speculation. IT could have been telepathy or it could be they have a bond, or it could be that Jack's power jolted him awake acting on his subconscious desire to have him back triggered by him calling out to him. or it could be as simple as him calling out and waking him up angels hear prayers so it would not be a stretch to say that Cass could have heard him. there are too many possible reasons that Cass woke up to just say Jack hacked his mind and made him wake up. Also if it was telepathy Jack would have known the second Cass woke up because he would have still been inside his mind. --ThomasNealy (talk) 01:30, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
Are you having the same issue I am where you can't see changes to the pages, and can only read the code? because I gave 3 examples of what else it can be above. --ThomasNealy (talk) 02:13, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
I agree that it wasn't Jack that resurrected Cas. All he did was call out to Cas with his mind and it awoke him out of his slumber. He's obviously powerfully telepathic, we saw that in the latest episode!!! Consensus is that the Entity resurrected him and you can be blocked for vandalism or edit warring for repeatedly changing it back because that's what you think.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:18, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
Alright speaking of bond God himself doesn’t have pull there and that is his kids so out of the question. His power didn’t jolt him awake he was alseep until he heard his name and woke up. Do there.--Sjb6759 (talk) 02:21, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
No hearing a prayer is not Telepathy. being bonded by grace is not Telepathy. Having power jolt you awake is not telepathy, its a cattle prod to the *** is what it is. To say that jack called out to Cass's mind is speculation. If it was telepathy, as i said above, then Jack would have had to be in side Cass's head he would have known Cass was awake the moment he woke up be the simple fact he would have been in his head when it happened. Do I think that it probably was some telepathic connection or bond he has with Cass yes I do, but not 100% with no other explanation, which is why is is speculation and needs to remain vague. As I said on the other page. too quote Twilight Despair "Even if your 99% percent right, that 1% percent makes it speculative" "It’s policy to only put information that is canon or that can’t be interpreted" There are too many what if's and maybe's surrounding what Jack did to wake him up. the thing we do know is that Jack was not the one to resurrect him. --ThomasNealy (talk) 04:05, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
Castiel never "fell" per se
When Metatron stole his grace and he fell to earth, why does he have broken wings after the fall when regains his remaining grace? He never had wings that could break when the fall happened if he was already human when Metatron stole his grace and he fell to earth, why does he have broken wings after regaining his remaining grace? He never had wings that could break when the fall happened.
Do you know that wings give angels the ability to use some of their powers? The most common is what some believe as flying with super speed but what i and many others say teleportation. Ever since the the fall, angels could never just magically teleport anywhere. Not even heaven because of it being locked. And when they fall you can see their wings burning off. But the very second Metatron removed Castiel's grace, he instantly became human. He still lost his grace, became human, and when he got his grace he became a fallen angel because heaven still hates him? returned to earth. If you think about it, we never see. Castiel fall to earth, he just magically appeared on earth. Logically, he didn't literally fall, he just magically appeared on earth because metatron used a power called aporting/aportation which means you can teleport other people and objects to different places where ever you want. No human could survive the fall but metatron wanted him alive. So he didnt let the at the time human Cass because wouldve died.
Castiel should not have broken wings when he regained his grace because he had none during the fall.