Talk:Billie

The new Death

Is there any evidence that Billie is the new Death? Because I think she is. Mark A. Sheppard implied in an interview that Crowley's relationship with Billie was born out of her unique status. Also, some people have been pointing out Billie's ability to raid the Veil as a reference to her new status. Kajune (talk) 07:52, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

• Yeah, I think so too. It just seems like she is way more powerful for a simple Reaper. The way she refered to the ... previous Death... The way she kept going on about with Dean and Sam. Even her personality sometimes remind me of someone who isn't afraid, like, if she knew there was no way the brothers would scape her. To the way she just... took souls like it was no body's bussiness. She definetly is past a normal reaper. The Mind Player (talk) 00:01, December 27, 2016 (UTC)
  • Cas took her out with a simple angel blade. It took Death's Scythe to kill Death.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:41, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Billie's role

I know Billie has helped the Winchesters in every single one of her appearances, but is she an antagonist or not? Kajune (talk) 23:14, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

• She hasn't, not in every appearance. She usually threatens them with the Empty, nearly took Dean there once, tried to take Mary, tried to take one of them... I think she counts as an antagonist if only because of her last appearance. She's only helped them when its to her benefit.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:40, January 28, 2017 (UTC)
• She isn't an antogonist I believe. A neutral character. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:41, January 28, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
  • I'd like to think so honestly but she's always pushing to get rid of the Winchesters and she looked really eager just before Cas whacked her.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:08, January 28, 2017 (UTC)
  • On the other hand, she helped Winchesters at least twice and never did any harm to them. SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:16, January 28, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
  • If she wasnt a reaper, she would have killed them, avenging death. But the rules say, reapers cant kill anybody. The Inner Hate (talk) 3:05 P.M January 28, 2017
  • She killed them actually in the last episode. SeraphLucifer (talk) 23:09, January 28, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
    • I wondered about that too but I believe that because she made a deal wherein she would bring them back she was allowed to bend the rules like that. She killed them only temporarily not permanently to take them to Heaven or the Empty.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:29, January 29, 2017 (UTC)

Billie being Death

You know, this makes me wonder: if Billie is indeed Death reincarnated, wouldn't that make her a primordial entity?

(Gojira2018 (talk) 03:21, November 10, 2017 (UTC))

No, because she wasn't alive before the universe existed. Dtol (talk) 15:15, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed. She's just been promoted to Horseman basically but that's it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:13, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

We can't call her a Horseman. Horseman are brothers and related with each other. Billie is only the incarnation of the actual Death. SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:15, November 10, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

See the message I left on your page but she is at least technically a Horseman since she is now Death. Death is one of the Four Horsemen and thus as the new Death, Billie is too. The way she said it, "the old incarnation", makes me wonder if he wasn't the first Death afterall actually. But it could also be considered a retcon on the writers parts. Either way, as Death, Billie is at least in the most technical sense, a Horseman.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 16:18, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

She wasn't called a Horsemen and they are arguably their own species. WG, I'll admit you have a point, but she hasn't actually been called a Horsemen. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:31, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

So therefore, I take it she would not have at least almost unlimted power?

(Gojira2018 (talk) 18:29, November 10, 2017 (UTC))

Page Name

Who tf changed the page's name? She's still Billie. Touchinos (talk) 08:05, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

It was TyroneJohnston99, a new user as of yesterday. In addition to changing the page name, he has been making edits on the Billie, Death, Four of the Apocalypse pages, saying "Billie is Death. Billie died and became Death. Billie is no more." and "Billie did not takes death's place. Death is not a physical person, its a force, Billie is still dead in a sense as she is no longer a reaper but death itself". I undid his edits, telling him that was his opinion, not what was established in the episode. But than right after that he redid his edits without any counterpoints which I undid again. I also left a messsge on his talk page, telling not to change a page's name without conferring with an admin or the wiki community as it is not his decision to make. If he persists to make such edits on his own volition, than I think action needs to be taken by an admin. 70.93.90.147 08:54, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

• I agree and will if he persists. If he's new, he might just not know better at the moment.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 15:12, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

Billie's powers

I'm listing them again because I consider them separate. If you look, I listed her Reaper powers higher and then her Death powers lower. That's because they are separate powers. The powers she had as a Reaper are separate from the ones she has as Death. She might have some of the same powers, but they are also different as it comes from a different source as I see it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:53, November 10, 2017 (UTC)