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==A crossroads demon?==
 
Since the board canon has it that black-eyed demons can be crossroads demons, do you guys think that Astaroth might've been a crossroads demon? Her work ''does'' seem to focus on purchasing souls, which is normally the focus of crossroads demons. She was also a Lilith supporter; if Lilith was already been Queen of the Crossroads at the time, it would make sense for Astaroth to decide to throw in her support for her boss.--[[User:NaiflidG|NaiflidG]] ([[User talk:NaiflidG|talk]]) 03:53, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
 
Since the board canon has it that black-eyed demons can be crossroads demons, do you guys think that Astaroth might've been a crossroads demon? Her work ''does'' seem to focus on purchasing souls, which is normally the focus of crossroads demons. She was also a Lilith supporter; if Lilith was already been Queen of the Crossroads at the time, it would make sense for Astaroth to decide to throw in her support for her boss.--[[User:NaiflidG|NaiflidG]] ([[User talk:NaiflidG|talk]]) 03:53, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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I think that Astaroth used her higher demonic powers to gain souls to Hell instead of just being a servant and demonizing around because this kind of gaves "status" for her in hell and since Lilith was Queen of the Crossroads, and due to the fact of her being a higher black-eyed demon like Meg, and the Seven Deadly Sins she might have been caught Lilith's attention and was doing that to be promoted maybe to a crossroad demon or even the Queen of the Crossroads since Lilith wasn't no more the Queen of Crossroads but of the whole Hell :v [[User:Doctor49|Doctor49]] ([[User talk:Doctor49|talk]]) 03:29, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
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*Punctuation dude. That's impossible to read due to lack of proper punctuation which makes that one big run-on sentence.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 06:41, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
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*Sorry [[User:Doctor49|Doctor49]] ([[User talk:Doctor49|talk]]) 15:35, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
   
 
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Actually, Astaroth only ''pretended'' to be a witch. She mentions something about brining "one book" (aka a spellbook) to book club and getting the other ladies hooked on witchcraft. Tammi is her [[vessel]] so I suppose we could create a separate page for that.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 23:39, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
 
Actually, Astaroth only ''pretended'' to be a witch. She mentions something about brining "one book" (aka a spellbook) to book club and getting the other ladies hooked on witchcraft. Tammi is her [[vessel]] so I suppose we could create a separate page for that.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 23:39, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
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Ah, okay. I thought Tammi was a witch but possessed by demon Astaroth. No need to seperate then. [[User:SeraphLucifer|SeraphLucifer]] ([[User talk:SeraphLucifer|talk]]) 06:17, June 11, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer
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*Well we do separate pages for the vessels so we could do one for Tammi Benton who was obviously a real person and known by her neighbors and such ''before'' she was possessed. But the witchcraft??? That was all the demon from the dialogue in the episode.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 06:21, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

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Astaroth?

In the Supernatural Companion  for Season 3, it was stated that the demon's true name was Astaroth and therefore I believe that the name of the page should be renamed as Astaroth. I await your arguments. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 02:45, April 22, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

I'm in complete and utter agreement, if it says thats her real name then its right, after all Tammi's clearly not her real name, the names only about two hundred years old, and the demon was alive before the plague was big in europe. Plus it explains why she was so powerful (Astaroth being quite high up on the demon heiracy) despite being a black eyed demon. All in all I think we should change it to Astaroth, tick it off as another demon from the lore to appear in the show, and include something like "she took the body of Tammi and pretened to be her, when dealing with the covern." General MGD 109 (talk) 17:27, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Seriously, that's her name? Holy crap, my friend guessed that and I don't think she read the companion book. I thought "Tammi" was Vine.--97.102.247.111 20:09, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

In the book they specifically say that just because they have black eyes doesn't mean that they are low class. Self-Declared God of Supreme Conduits (talk) 20:56, April 22, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

As cool as the name sounds, I just want to hear reassurance that this companion is official and is to be considered canon, yes? And that there are no inconsistencies with the live-action series whatsoever that will invalidate the status of the 'Companion' as canon? FTWinchester (talk) 11:46, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

I am in full agreement with FTWinchester, although I do not doubt the campanion is official, I too would like reassurance it can still be considered canon. It has been six years since Season 3, so we need to verify this info stating the demon's true name  is Astaroth has at least not been retconned during that time. 107.194.23.71 14:25, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

And if this is indeed to be named as Astaroth, we need a new page on Tammi as the human vessel. Plus, there are no pages on Amanda and Renee. FTWinchester (talk) 19:33, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that vindication is neccessary, but I don't see any reason to doubt the companion guide as canon, as far as I know there hasn't been any reconing, no demon has been caled Astaroth as of yet. And your right about creating a page for Tammi and the other two wiches, its amazing no one has in five years. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:38, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

It's just that other official books had inconsistencies with the live-action series. I just want to be careful. I've checkeed and there appears to be pages on the witches after all. I just failed to type in the full names. Also, who removed the 'Book of Shadows' mention? It was the actual name of the book. FTWinchester (talk) 19:45, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I told Kesslerbeast when he came to me with more information from the books to make sure none of it controdicted anything in the series before adding it. I'm glad they are, if no one had added them in five years, it wouldn't say much for this Wiki. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:57, May 13, 2013 (UTC)


Where exactly in The Official Companion - Season 3 is the Tammi demon's real name confirmed as Astaroth? I've got that book but when I look through it it only ever refers to her by her vessel's name. 92.18.61.57 18:35, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Anon, in case you're here reading this, it's on the pages giving information on "Malleus Maleficarum" -- they don't name her as Astaroth anywhere in the body of the pages, but her actress is credited as playing "Tammi Benton/Astaroth" in the Guest Cast listing at the top of 58 and the caption for the picture on 61 reads, "Ruby comes off worst after her first confrontation with Astaroth."--NaiflidG (talk) 03:53, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

VIP demons

Most important demons have names, Tammi being revealed as Astaroth explains her bullet stopping powers, I initially thought her a Night of Hell, as like Abaddon she is very old, has black eyes and is of great power, yet, she was killed with the knife, something Abaddon resisted so although all the others named from lore (Azazel, Alastair, Lilith and Abadoon, Samhain was not but still had a name), and each had special functions, Astaroth does not seem to be as powerful, more a Luitenant grade demon, although her name is of interest.

I hope others like Mephastophiles, Belial, Mammon, Belphagor, Jezabell and Beelzebub are introduced though.. or at least mentioned.

Just thought I'd add, it seems implied that she was a high ranking servant or luitenant of Lilith in a similar way to ruby but with a different function.

Princepurple (talk) 01:08, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree, Astaroth was clearly not a higher demon, but she was probably about the grade bellow the lowest higher demon, luitentant sounds about right. I would like to see thouse others, along with Amon and Asmodeus (as a definate) but were just have to wait and see. I don't know if her bullet stopping powers are so impressive, noramlly when they shoot a demon with the colt, they surprise them or they don't recognise it, so none of them appart from her have had a chance to. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:42, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for bringing this up just now, but aside from her ability to stop the Colt's bullet, she displayed some really powerful abilities for a black-eyed demon. Not only was she generally proficient with spells, she knew extremely powerful and unique ones, such as exorcising another demon without affecting herself. Additionally, she was physically superior or at least more knowledgeable in combat against Ruby (who, by the way, was scared as crap to confront her). I understand that Meg and Ruby (two Black-eyed demons themselves) also knew unique spells and were better in hand-to-hand combat than other demons, but Astaroth had one more edge over them--she also had the ability to perform deals not unlike Crossroads demons. From what I remember, aside from the Crossroads demons themselves, only high-tier demons are capable of doing deals that alter reality. Additionally, Astaroth's deals were very fluid, regularly altering reality to bring in more luck to her followers. Although it sounds like I really want to list her as high-tier, I'm quite unsure myself, so if you could post instances where other non-crossroad, non-high-tier demons offered deals and were powerful themselves, that would help a lot. FTWinchester (talk) 04:44, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

A crossroads demon?

Since the board canon has it that black-eyed demons can be crossroads demons, do you guys think that Astaroth might've been a crossroads demon? Her work does seem to focus on purchasing souls, which is normally the focus of crossroads demons. She was also a Lilith supporter; if Lilith was already been Queen of the Crossroads at the time, it would make sense for Astaroth to decide to throw in her support for her boss.--NaiflidG (talk) 03:53, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

I think that Astaroth used her higher demonic powers to gain souls to Hell instead of just being a servant and demonizing around because this kind of gaves "status" for her in hell and since Lilith was Queen of the Crossroads, and due to the fact of her being a higher black-eyed demon like Meg, and the Seven Deadly Sins she might have been caught Lilith's attention and was doing that to be promoted maybe to a crossroad demon or even the Queen of the Crossroads since Lilith wasn't no more the Queen of Crossroads but of the whole Hell :v Doctor49 (talk) 03:29, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

  • Punctuation dude. That's impossible to read due to lack of proper punctuation which makes that one big run-on sentence.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:41, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry Doctor49 (talk) 15:35, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

Separation

Actually, Astaroth only pretended to be a witch. She mentions something about brining "one book" (aka a spellbook) to book club and getting the other ladies hooked on witchcraft. Tammi is her vessel so I suppose we could create a separate page for that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 23:39, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I thought Tammi was a witch but possessed by demon Astaroth. No need to seperate then. SeraphLucifer (talk) 06:17, June 11, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

  • Well we do separate pages for the vessels so we could do one for Tammi Benton who was obviously a real person and known by her neighbors and such before she was possessed. But the witchcraft??? That was all the demon from the dialogue in the episode.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:21, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
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