Asmodeus is a prince of hell

Did this character even appear in the show? Zane T 69 (talk) 23:25, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

Only mentioned by Ramiel. It'd be useful to have it here. SeraphLucifer (talk) 23:29, February 22, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Alright, I'll work on it then. It's currently of very low quality. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:31, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

This page is a mess, I'll work on it more later. Can we even safely say that he has the same powers as Ramiel? Most of what would be put into the article would speculation. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:37, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

I'll deal with the page, chill out partner. (Imagine that I sound like Big Smoke) SeraphLucifer (talk) 23:39, February 22, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Is it OK for now Zane? SeraphLucifer (talk) 23:53, February 22, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Season 13

SeraphLucifer added season 13 to his infobox. Is he confirmed to appear next season???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 07:51, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

  • No official confirmation yet but it's very likely. Touchinos (talk) 09:55, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
    • Then I have to remove that as its just pure speculation at this point.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 14:48, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Energy Blast - Photokinesis?

Would the energy blast Asmodeus fires not be photokinesis (thanks to Gabriel's grace)? Jmac 703 (talk) 05:00, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • That's what I was thinking. Let's get consensus on that though before we change it. I also thought it could be electrokinesis. Maybe a blast of electricity instead of white light.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:16, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

I did think it could be electrokinesis, but you can't really see any electrical bolts or anything. It makes more sense (to me anyway) for Asmodeus to  harm the archangel with one of the most powerfull abilities seen in Supernatural (photokinesis) rather than electrokinesis. The only problem is, a ball of light is extremely different to what we've seen of photokinesis in the past - being a screen-filling light Jmac 703 (talk) 06:59, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

I know and I agree.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:29, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Which demons were created by Lucifer?

Asmodeus was said by Lucifer to be his weakest creation, so I think it would be interesting to speculate which demons were created by him. I think we can all agree that Lilith and the Princes of Hell are included here. What about Cain, though? He must have been turned by the Mark, which was given to him by Lucifer. So, was he created by Lucifer or by the Mark? The other Knights of Hell were said to have been trained by Cain, so for sure they don't count as Lucifer's creations, but Cain's situation is more ambiguous. It can't be ruled out, either, that he was trained by some older demon rather than by Lucifer himself. As for other powerful demons, such as Alastair or Samhain, there's no indication about their age, though we do know that the latter must precede Lucifer's imprisonment in the cage so he might be one of his creations as well. SonOfEve (talk) 15:33, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

  • We can speculate on talk pages but we can't actually put them in the pages themselves because speculation is not allowed there. The only demons conclusively defined as Lucifer's direct creations are Lilith and the Princes of Hell.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 15:55, December 2, 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes, I know. While I was thinking about clarifying in the page which other demons must have been Lucifer's creations, I had no intention of including uncertain cases such as Cain's.SonOfEve (talk) 03:27, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • Lucifer has created only white-eyed demons himself and not every single other demon. And yes, Alastair was definitely as old as he was powerful, he can use spells to exorcise angels even, he and Lilith knew, and only he and Lilith knew how to break the 66 seals. So Alastair was definitely ancient, that has even been confirmed by the authors, not directly as with the Princes and Knights of Hell in the series, but rather by the Schowrunner himself. So only white-eyed and yellow-eyed demons(Anonyme Tät (talk) 16:47, December 2, 2019 (UTC))
Well, Lucifer described Asmodeus as a creation of his, so I'd definitely say that not only Lilith but also the Princes of Hell were created by him.SonOfEve (talk) 03:27, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
  • I theorize that Lucifer besides Lilith and the Princes of Hell, he or Lilith created Alastair and Samhain, im more sure that Lilith created Samhain since he is powerful and unique demon but with many odd flaws, maybe Samhain was the first demon Lilith created, besides that i think Lucifer, Lilith, Alastair and the Princes of Hell created all the other Knights of Hell besides Cain, since we don't know how many Knight there were maybe each one of the hightier demons created a few (if that's the case i feel that Lilith created Abaddon), and then at that point Lucifer and every high tier demon created at the time tortured/corrupted many other human souls, but less, so they just became regular black-eyed demons that tortured more humans to create more regular demons and so on until nowdays, and about the crossroad demons,maybe it was Lilith's creation since she was the Queen of the Crossroads before, although i'm not so sure about that. And for the seven deadly sins, maybe Alastair picked the worst human souls in hell for each sin and corrupted them a little bit more than the other black-eyed demons so they could spread their respective sins throught Earth, to me it seems like something Alastair would do :v. Doctor49 (talk) 21:36, December 2, 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Samhain is a strong candidate for being Lilith's creation, I think, since they - and only they among all demons - share the white light attack. As for Abaddon, however, Cain said explicitly that that it was him who personally trained the other Knights of Hell, so they are his creation, so to speak, not Lilith's. SonOfEve (talk) 03:27, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
About Cain having created the Knights, i don't see that way, training them dosen't mean creating them. Doctor49 (talk) 03:30, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
Well, in a literal sense neither Lucifer nor any demons created the Knights of Hell. Before being turned into demons, the Knights were human, like all other demons, therefore they were created by none other than God. When Lucifer talks about creating Asmodeus, I think he means only that he turned his soul into a demon and then trained him, and I think that's the role Cain played with the other Knights.SonOfEve (talk) 18:07, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

I think we can only deal with Lucifer's creations on Lilith, as well as the Princes of Hell and, plausibly, Alastair. Samhain is not like Alastair, Alastair is a white-eyed demon, Samhain a special one, that you should be aware of it?(Anonyme Tät (talk))

Sure, Lilith and the Princes are the only sure cases, I agree. Samnhain is a possibility, however, because he, like Lilith, is one of the seals locking Lucifer in hell, and so many people believe that he (again, like Lilith) must have existed as a demon before Lucifer was thrown in the cage. It's not impossible, therefore, that it was Lucifer who turned him and trained him. But as I said before, I like Doctor49's guess that he must have been trained by Lilith, since this has support in the fact that they both share the same white light attack.SonOfEve (talk) 18:07, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

I do not mind you accept Samhain is old, but I just want to make it clear that Samhain was not a seal. It is rather that his resurrection breaks one of the 66 seals, but that does not mean that he himself is one like Lilith. And who says that Lucifer must have converted Samhain, he could eventually be transformed by Azazel and / or Alastair, just like Meg. Of course Samhain was not that old, but was later readjusted to break as one of the menacing destructive demon of one of the sixty-six seals. But I think the only things, that will hear Wargrowlmon wants is facts, not speculation. It is proven that Lilith is the first demon in all, making her the Lucifer's oldest creature, the princes of hell are described as the next generation on it, Alastair at least as old as he knows well how to exorcise / torture angels, creatures that For thousands of years, Uriel has not known him, much like Castiel the Prince of Hell Ramiel, besides, like Azazel, he seemed to have a very religious relationship with Lucifer and, like Lilith, did not know how to kill angels. (Anonyme Tät (talk))

But if Samhain's ressurection breaks the seal, then he is basically a seal like how Lilith is a seal even tho technically it's her death that is the seal, anyway, i really don't think that God would bother himself to change one of the seals so it would be Samhain's summoning on halloween, when God created the seals, he must've simply seen Samhain standing there in hell doing nothing and decided to make him a seal. Doctor49 (talk) 22:46, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

Possibly, but as I said, it could also be a suffix/replica of Azazel's tool that breaks the seal with its resurrection, making it easier for Azazel to free his creator from its cage. I dunno, the showrunners have ever mentioned the age of Samhain or not? In any case, Samhain has never been a seal, but by being risen, a seal has been broken on Lucifer's cage Anonyme Tät (talk)

Everything is wrong. I will tell you my opinion. The fact is that Samhain is just an extraordinary demon whose resurrection breaks one of the 66 who keep the devil in his cage, but I don't think the writers intentionally wanted it to look like this. It has been proven that Lucifer himself created Lilith to be the first demon of all time. Alastair is supposed to be the second demon of all time who was also created by Lucifer himself. The Yellow-eyed Demons are the best servants of Lucifer and have earned the title of Prince of Hell through their service as generals. Knights of Hell, on the other hand, are only black-eyed demons who were trained by Cain and thus created as powerful demons, which means that Cain created the Knights of Hell by training black-eyed demons, which is why they are so powerful, otherwise they are knights only black-eyed demons.

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