This is the weirdest category I have ever seen. How do you even classify mental illness? Does someone have to act weird first and then they are ill? Well, I call Dean riding Larry a weird thing, so he's ill! Kajune (talk) 04:18, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

I agree.. this is just weird and kind of offensive, honestly. How can you say someone's mentally ill without any reference from the episode they're in or whatsoever? Do you just assume them? Touchinos (talk) 04:25, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Before I created this, I consulted with my fellow Admin Zane. He agreed with me on creating this. There's definite insanity in several of these people: some have been called outright insane or crazy in the episodes such as Martin Creaser, others behavior shows that they clearly aren't sane or have been driven crazy such as Brian Wilcox and the werewolf Justin and Irv Sokolowski, others like Sam and Cas used to be crazy but aren't anymore.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:30, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

So, behaving differently or against the norm is a sign of mental illness? Makes no sense. Kajune (talk) 04:33, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Then it's not mental illness... it falls on the insanity category. Mentally ill =/= crazy. Touchinos (talk) 04:35, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Mentally ill individuals are people who have some form of crazy that's beyond even the Supernatural norm. For example, Irv lost his mind due to losing his son. Constance Welch was stated in the very first episode to have gone crazy and drowned her kids, its what turned her into a Woman in White. Martin's experiences drove him at least a bit crazy which was mentioned at least a few times such as the Winchesters worrying they'd end up like him, stuff like that. Marvin ended up in a mental hospital for Chuck's sake!!! The loss of Justin's pack clearly caused him to lose it with loneliness. Did that seem like a guy who had all his marbles in order to you??? With Brian, he was clearly losing it over the course of the episode, his obsession making him more and more mentally unstable and freaking out his friends. He lost it completely after he turned into a werewolf, even Kate said so. "Brian went crazy" or something like that were her exact words to the Winchesters.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:40, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

I still don't like it, but you seem determined to keep this category. List it then, what classifies a person as mentally ill. List it on the category page. The only people I believe went insane were Cass, Sam and Mike. Kajune (talk) 04:58, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Mental illness, for me at least, includes anxiety and depression and stuff like that (I suffer from those). Now the people you mentioned fall into the 'people who are insane' category. Can you at least rename it to "Insane individuals" or something? But if not then yeah, whatever. Touchinos (talk) 05:08, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

  • And I'm gonna seek the opinion of Zane on changing the title. Honestly I didn't really like the title "insane individuals". Chose something less degrading by going with "mentally ill."--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:18, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

I understand why you chose "Mentally Ill", but I don't think it fits with the characters you listed. I almost feel like it's too formal. But whatever, you and Zane decide. And I meant the Archangel Michael. Kajune (talk) 05:21, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

  • Yeah I guessed that. And I did just seek Zane's opinion. But I also think the Benders at least could be considered mentally ill and not just crazy. They clearly aren't in their right minds but their also not totally nuts.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:23, April 14, 2017 (UTC)
    • I feel like mental illness is a condition, rather than a state of mind. You listed Richard Beesome as mentally ill, along with Malachi and Cuthbert. These people were just out of sorts from time to time. They could talk normally, act normally, form coherent plans and take care of themselves. Cass, Sam and Mike? Those guys were/are unable to do anything of these things. Mentally ill until somehow cured, and even then, never fully back to normal. --Kajune (talk) 05:29, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

I think this category should be renamed or deleted. We can't actually say if these/that are crazy. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:21, April 14, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

After reading the debate here, I support the renaming of the category to "Insane Individuals". Kajune and Touchinos also bring up good points, and perhaps this category could be thinned down some. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:44, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Most of the characters listed here are just cruel, but that doesn't make them insane or mentally ill. Kajune (talk) 14:58, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

  • I've removed everyone who are CLEARLY not mentally ill. I'll let you guys figure out the rest. --Kajune (talk) 15:14, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

I re-think and IMO this caretegory should be deleted. It will only cause edit conflicts and complex stuff. SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:31, April 14, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I think it should be kept and consulted with Zane before creating these categories. He agreed with my idea.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:26, April 15, 2017 (UTC)

I thought this category was replaced with the "Insane Individuals" category? Zane T 69 (talk) 17:26, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

  • The one who removed the names but left some was not me but one of these dissenting guys. If they thought those characters were enough to be labeled "mentally ill" rather than insane, I figured I'd leave it be. Apparently there's a difference according to these guys.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:11, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Ah. I just thought you replaced this category and then deleted it is why I asked. But I understand now. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:04, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

  • I created a new category for those actually insane, yes, but I didn't get rid of this one.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 23:22, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
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