• Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Not counting the two spin offs, were there any abandoned ideas over the shows run that were said but never came to be?, i started watching in season 6 and even back then, i wasnt privy to all that i know now with the internet or the supernatural magazine



    eric kripke named an idea lately in the pilot he thought was stupid regarding the impala, i cannot remember what it was, but he said they got rid of it

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  • T95

    Jack vs Bayonetta

    August 12, 2019 by T95

    Who would win in a fight? Jack or Bayonetta

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  • Malthael Archangel of Death

    Am I the only one who think that it's paradoxical what God decided to do in Moriah? In season 11 he was ready to be tormented for an eternity by the Darkness to save his creation and now, just beacause a man didn't kill a boy for his fun(???) he wants to destroy it? And since when he enjoys the murder? This complete change of personality it's absurd for this character

    What do you honestly think about it?

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Hearing about adam coming back is great and all but im more interested in seeing if michael is still inside him cause we havent heard anything about mike returning, I mean lucifer said he was basically insane when he last saw him but keep in mind we see lucifer in the cage post season 5 and no michael in sight, its not even that lucifer said he is there but is invisible, he just wasnt there so that gets me worried.



    But a question I think is long overdue on us knowing is dean had no problem persay giving his body to michael, it was that he was worried about the humans being collateral damage, so my issue is why didnt dean just make conditions with michael to keep everyone out of harm or else he'd eject him or just take it somewhere else?, d…


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    With all the talk of whom people want to come back, out of curiousity whom do you not want to come back? Cause an article I read yesterday said they plan on bringing people back whom people arent expecting to return so this tells me more hated characters. Btw in that same article they said there are no plans to bring back john cause they considered episode 300 as a form of closure, although I wouldnt have minded seeing john and azazeal team up to fight chuck or maybe finally a scene between john and bobby or john and castiel so im a bit dissapointed he aint coming back.




    out of the people i dont want to see back, its usually people that are unlikeable or just flat out boring:



    i mean this is 14 seasons we're talking about so its hard to remem…





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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    At the tca for the cw today, it was implied or confirmed that when supernatural ends, that is it, they have no plans for the time being for any spin offs which im fine with, especially if its prequels. Not that it couldnt have sequels but if its continued of supernatural jobs and whatnot in the same winchester verse, maybe it takes a bit away from the boys?, my only thing I wouldnt mind if supernatural tales outside of america in other countries but still taking place in that same world.



    I honestly wouldnt have minded though if bloodlines was brought back, idk why that was so hated, i enjoyed the premise of it, wayward sisters was alright i guess but idk if i want that back, it depends on somethings. 

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Um like for so long we had wondered where angels, demons and monsters went when they died and now we know, so presumably the same can be said for other creatures. Yes, maybe its possible when certain beings die, they just die and dont come back, but lets just say their souls remain intact, there are a couple of creatures we dont know what happens to them in death



    death(the original one) and his horsemen brothers



    the reapers-there had to be a place presumably cause billie came from such place to take place as new death



    the pagan gods



    and finally chuck and amara, yeah i do believe there is a place they go to in death. I dont think there is necessarily a cage for chuck but im not ruling it out but i wouldnt be suprised if his end is he is stripp…








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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    just to make something clear, this is not, I repeat not a question about which villians you want redeemed, rather what villians do you want to team with the winchesters only for the possibility for them to turn on the winchesters in the end? Crowley, michael, lucifer and I guess chuck are some prime examples but Id like to see maybe yellow eyes, the leviathans, eve, all kinds of baddies team with them



    a part of me i guess wants to see the benders come back and team with the boys even though they arent supernatural just to use their psychotic human rage against supernatural evil.

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  • Stefan Salvator

    Cain powered by Mark vs Lilith White-eyed Demon and First Demon

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Again these have to be supernatural characters, okay, sure Id like to see a few human characters become nicer but lets just focus on the supernatural ones



    if I had to pick at least one, I'd pick, well honestly I dont know whom Id pick, this is the issue, because its been implied chuck has been in control this whole time, its possible many villianous characters simply were acting by his will, not their own. Like Im not going to be the least bit shocked if we find out chuck had azazeal controlled the whole time and orchestrated the events of mary burning on the ceiling, and john raising the boys as hunters. I guess im looking for a villian who you could see signs of them being good. I guess if they could get aldis hodge back as jake, id be f…


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    I personally just dont want it to all be talking and even if its quick and short fights, im fine with that, give us some sort of confrontation please, oh and also a condition:these have to be between supernatural characters, so no like bobby 1 vs bobby 2 or anything like that, sorry



    im not going to list every single supernatural fight i want to see but i can give some examples, im going to use castiel



    castiel vs azazeal

    castiel vs lilith

    castiel vs samhain



    and here is one with not cass in it but i think i speak for at least the majority since that finale ending, i think many of us want to see jack vs chuck. Before anyone says we saw that fight already, well technically we didnt, chuck killed jack before he got to fight back, it was a suprise a…






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  • Malthael Archangel of Death

    Before God and Amara the Empty was the only thing in existence; the Darkness has never been omnipresent, her page should be changed, that power deleted

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    I know, this show is not about jack but he is still a main part, he is just as big as castiel is. I feel the writers made us try way too hard to hate this guy and it failed. Like I got crowley, lucifer, people like them, I understood why we were meant to hate them but jack, was not it, whether you see him as an abomination or killing mary as unforgivable is not relevant so please dont mention it here, that is just ur opinion. 



    Id definetely like for dean and mary and even bobby 2 to forgive him and befriend him again, as well as those kids he scared off. Same for rowena. I dont know if the shadow and billie will be his friends but I could see them as allies. And amara and jack meeting, that would be cool. Any character he hasnt met that co…


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Cause the gates of hell are opened, there is no good reason the shedim cannot finally be seen. There is at least two of them as said by asmodeous, so maybe its a brother-sister duo, I just feel them not being seen would be a huge disgrace to the built up lore. Yeah its great they are bringing back like adam and amara but I feel they need to tie up every loose end, none of this left to interpretation nonsense. 



    They obviously dont have the same forms as the demons and angels with one of their hands seen, and the cgi is expensive for the cw for what i hear, so id imagine they take over two people, im ruling out sam and dean and even cass and jack, i cant see that happening, at least not for that long. Everyone else though is fair game. Anti …


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Hear me out, people are going to say how could we have a good demon and havent we gotten that with meg and crowley?, well not exactly. Keep in mind meg and crowley were bad at first only to turn good, or should I say more with what the winchesters want so I dont count them as good. 



    As for how a good demon could happen, well there are a few options, maybe with chuck being all twisted, maybe he added at least one good soul to hell cause he didnt like what that soul did, or maybe there are demons down there but they werent exactly sent there for their sins. Whether people view all sins the same or categorize them from least bad to the worst, perhaps there is also at least one soul in there who may have stolen money simply to make ends meet a…


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Cause I cannot seem to find any and ive been waiting hours now since the panel ended

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Im looking forward to it the most at this point cause so far all my panels so far for the shows i like havent revealed much, or at least not what I want to hear, supernatural is the same way, i'd imagine they just started filming or yet to film but hopefully we get some interesting tidbits from the panel. I think we've earned it, this show has been on since 2005, you can play off alot. 



    hopefully we get new characters too, not just old characters, there are still key characters that have been mentioned and havent been seen yet




    idk it all depends on the budget they can get cause there is lots of fan demands, i can tell you that much and only 20 episodes to fit it all in

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Not that many but keep in mind this is just a preview of what is to come from the actual comic con panel in a few days



    chuck wont be in next season alot but he will have a big role to play and create twists and turns

    the writers plan to have as many characters come back as possible

    rather than being about big set pieces, it will be more about the conflict between the winchesters and their old enemies

    there will be a meta episode in the same kind of style as changing channels and the french mistake

    billies offer to jack will play over the season

    the ending wont be total sad or total happy, but wont be like the sopranos ending, the writer says

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Again I dont believe chuck can just fade away into nothing and even if he did, there would be more gods out there, the mythology is stupid to make us believe he just arrived out of nothing, god was always there, so if they did happen to stop chuck, there would be an infinite amount of chucks before him that could free him, its so confusing and inconsistent



    like i get what they were going for, have the creator, the author of all this end his own book meaning the world itself, it sounds great on paper but when you actually see it, it brings up issues and im on team winchester but there is no logical way they should be able to take down chuck, its going to be the phoniest kill of all their kills

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    I have no idea if this bothers anyone else or just me but okay even if chuck(still trying not to call him god) is omnipotent(as in being able to do anything that can be done realistically), and even if he is evil this whole time, he is ending the world, earth 1 i am calling it, winchester earth, it seems to be a slow death cause he is releasing all the old ghosts or whatever but this guy has existed for billions of years and we already know he is going to be defeated.....well we dont know for a fact but its likely someone is going to gank him but if he is so called omnipotent then why is he giving the winchesters and co. a window to attack him?, that is stupid, the main reason why this shouldnt happen is well intelligence, chuck is suppose…

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Now I am not exactly talking about the what happens next cliffhanger, even if it ends with sam and dean having a happy ending, this is more of a what happens next in terms of ongoing threats. Even if chuck is defeated, there is still the possibility as long as angels exist(and even with them going down and down), but there is a possibility any of them could I suppose create new demons. It might not just be exclusive to archangels or just lucifer, it could be any angel and yes there will presumably always be bad souls but the whole manipulation and brainwashing them to turn into demons is what I mean, that might always be a dangling thread. 



    I could also see as long as billie death is there, the reapers are there as same goes for ghosts as …


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Not exactly needing answering, but I find some things rather pointless after rewatches, I guess they could even be chalked up as plot holes



    But here are some things that come to mind



    gabriels speech in the episode, i dont remember what it was called but the one where dean kept dying over and over and sam caught gabriel and gabriel sent this riddle at sam and they never explained what he meant by that



    when metatron wanted to be called X when he became god, they never explained that either



    a big thing I noticed, I guess I can understand with the demons cause their real form is a bunch of corpses basically, but why do the angels need a vessel?, we know that at least with lucifer, possibly more, they can just take on human shape, they dont need a…








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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Whether I am a christian or not, it felt kind of, I guess a bit out of character for god to do all of that last episode. Im not saying it was impossible he'd do that and I know chuck was clearly not right in the mind cause he didnt help stop any of the other bad things, that being said, it makes you wonder if its another one of his tests, or if amara got to him, if he is fighting some split personality(I'd prefer that) or maybe he actually wanted this the whole time. 



    Im not saying dive into origin story of god cause that is too complicated even for SPN but the very least is maybe explain why he does that, the only implication is cause he wants a great story but that felt like a rehash of metatrons arc. Plus its showing chuck is insane cau…


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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Unfortunately due to some article I read that quoted him, mark sheppard said that he wont return as crowley and thinks his arc is done. On one hand I get where he is coming from, but on the other it sucks for the fans. They could always recast cause of the demon swapping bodies but that would upset people in general, that is like having someone else than misha playing cass(not counting the time he briefly took over claire). Plus the winchesters are going to need allies now more than ever before and its no guarantee that amara will team up with them cause she is like one of the few people that could stop chuck. So yeah, sad to see crowley go and never return. Im not going to say he had a ton of potential stories left but perhaps closure wit…

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    This show has gone on since 2005, how is it that a video game has never been made, not even a mobile game? Surely there had to be some talk of it at some point in expanding upon merchandise cause I've went into hot topic before and there was supernatural merch, heck I even own some, but some really poor games have been made over the years, we know that, so the fact a supernatural game hasnt been made yet is frankly insulting, it would be so much fun to play as an action rpg, they dont have to have the cast voice the characters but that would be a bonus.


    Cause from what I've gathered lately, some studios care more for the merchandise than the actual show or movie, like star wars wasnt well received lately but the toys made a ton of money. W…

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Obviously many if not all of us have old characters we want to see come back but what about characters whose fates are left unknown, like either we presume them to be dead or they died offscreen(but was never actually seen)



    I cannot remember everyone but one that comes to mind that was just mentioned to die was the angel malakai, who was in that faction war in season 9, he was just said to die but I suppose he could have faked his death. I mean we thought for a while that crowley and rowena were dead and we even saw them die but they turned out to be alive.



    Idk if unknown status characters from the tie in books count cause I dont know if those are canon or not.

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  • Chyhawkins98

    This show never gets old...I mean never. I think that it has some type of hold on me (jokingly saying). It is just so damn addictive. I have tried watching several different shows like Grey's Anatomy and the Vampire Diaries, and none of them capture my attention quite as well as Supernatural. 

    I pray that they find a way to keep this show alive in some way. Because here we are (super fans), and we are going to lose our minds if this show ceases to exist. I don't know about you guys but I literally live for this show. I am a hard working mother of soon to be two sons, and my emotional stress builds up during the day. This show takes my emotions away and lets me escape to another world where there are bigger problems than mine. Where these tw…

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  • T95

    Angel Gauntlet: 

    Can the witch/angel hunter defeat all these angels 

    1.Castiel

    2.Zachariah

    3.Balthazar

    4.Gadreel

    5.Ishim

    6.Virgil 

    7.Naomi

    8.Metatron (Angel Tablet)

    9.Gabriel

    10.Raphiel

    11.Lucifer

    12.Michael

    13.Alternate Michael

    14.Jack

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    This show has redeemed villians but if you could choose anymore to be redeemed, which would they be and why?

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Just out of curiousity, with the budget this show has, even in its 15th and last season, I have three questions relating to the budget:



    1.how many characters can they afford to bring back?/does it vary on what actors price arrangement is or are they all the same pay?



    2.how many fights can they afford and how long can the fight be?



    3.does the ratings/viewership/social trending/dvd sales affect how much more money they can get for a season to get more actors and fight scenes?  

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Something that may or may not come back into the storyline is if sam drinks demon blood and taps into his demon exorcising/killing powers again. Just something to think about.

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    This isnt exactly a critical question that needs answered but for a few years now, I had hoped they answer what happened to metatrons demon tablet. If they did explain what happened to it, I have no memory and would need a reminder. Cause he went from saying he could go big places or something with the demon tablet so that got me a bit excited that something was to come out of that, but he then was next seen as a camera man then as homeless then helping the winchesters only to get sucked into a black hole, like WTF?, I know that is an often said thing but literally, WTF? Did the writers just forget about that storyline or is there still something big planned out that we dont know yet? Maybe this was explained via tie in book, deleted scene…

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    what the majority of creatures really look like?, angels and demons for the most part




    i mean i cannot say i speak for everyone but i think someone besides me is curious to finally see what castiel actually looks like, we know he is tall like a chrysler building, thats it



    and something tells me lucifer doesnt really look like a black skeleton with red eyes....not that look isnt cool but is it really the most beautiful angel in heaven look that was described to us? if so, then they must have a different definition of beautiful, in the eye of the beholder and all that




    um im not really that interested in seeing what demons look like, we kinda already know, just messed up versions of their human selves that can turn into black smoke



    maybe id like …










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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Not that anyone cares I think but im seriously thinking about just recording all 19 episodes of supernatural and then watching them the day before the finale in 2020 cause i dont know even for a final season if I can put myself through 19 weeks of watching live episodes of this show anymore even with it coming to an end and whatnot



    not saying this is for sure happening, I may even watch episode 1 and see where it goes from there, but for now, im really thinking about this plan in serious detail. I will definetely watch the finale live, I am not missing that epic finale Im sure that is planned.

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    now a few things to point out first



    when i say final battle, i mean over the entire course of 20 episodes, i cant imagine one giant battle happening in 42 minutes which as of now is what we're getting unless we get a 2 or 3 hour finale which i hope we do, i dont think 42 minute finale is good enough for a show like supernatural, this will basically be like i guess one large chess/rts game battle, i dont see it taking place in just one episode and being done with it although i think the winchesters and cass will get free from the hell ghosts that they were ambushed by



    also i want to add, as much as id like to see almost every character return, i generally enjoy most characters, i dont think its going to happen, even if they were to recast ol…




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  • Lover of the Muse

    If you look back throughout the Supernatural series you'll see that we were told repeatedly and by many different characters not to trust God. Part of the reason we didn't internalize this is that most of the characters telling us these things happened to be villains.

    Lucifer, Amara, and Michael were all right about God. He's a vain jackass obssessed with his own grandiosity who doesn't really care about Creation.

    In season 11 episode 21, after Chuck reveals himself as God to the Winchesters, Dean questions God about his inaction and why he allows so much suffering and evil to exist in the world. This paradox, how could all-good all-powerful god rule over an imperfect world is an ancient one. Chuck answers that in the old days he kept steppi…

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  • Lover of the Muse

    Supernatural has had anti-religious overtones since almost the very beginning. I think the first time these themes emerged was in the season 1 episode "Faith". The antagonist of that episode used withcraft to bind a Repaer and take life away from people she seemed immoral in order to heal good obedient Christians (or people who would be faithful Christians after their miraculous healing). One of the people she decided to kill, his only crime was being openly gay. The villain in this episode was a hypocrite who hid behind religion and presented herself as a good Christian but really just wanted to bend the world to her will.

    This entire episode can be intepreted as foreshadowing for the twist at the end of season 4. Michael and the other hig…

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    With 14 seasons worth, you'd think there'd be a bunch of questions that need answered but I feel they have done a really good job at answering them but I tend to forget things so if you guys can think of any questions, please leave them alone, I might even be able to post this link of this blog to the writers of SPN on twitter so they can give us some fan service and in a good way



    honestly the only question that comes to mind and oddly enough this was one that was established this season is why did billie lie to dean about locking himself in that box being the only way to bind michael? What was that even all about? I could understand if it was chuck but why billie?, what would she have to gain from that?

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  • Lover of the Muse

    We were told "God was never on your side" but we didn't want to believe it. He wanted him to be good. Even now some fans want Chuck to be redeemed, or that he's secretly testing the Winchesters, or want to believe that was secretly another entity disguised as God. Even though I didn't see the Moriah twist coming I believed it. In retrospect we were to told from the beginning not to trust him.

    Chuck was introduced to us as a writer before he was introduced to us as God; specifically as the writer of a series called Supernatural who knows everything about Sam & Dean's lives. When Chuck first officially meets the Winchesters (after pretending not to believe them and making them prove their identities) he acts about how I'd act if I found out m…

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    Since this is the final season and going by usual knowledge, there is more than one villian each season. Its going to be tough enough to stop chuck but I have a feeling he will have backup. Now before I go on, I dont believe for one moment he is going to bring back literally every villian the winchesters ever faced, I dont think so for one, they obviously dont have the budget unless they put them in new bodies, like actors who take in less money than the original actors. Secondly perhaps chuck feels they are a failure and doesnt want to give them another chance. Yes, im sure if he is truly omnipotent, he can just power them up and depower the winchesters but i guess he wants to see how this will all play out which will end up being his wea…

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  • Anonyme Tät

    We've discovered incredibly powerful weapons throughout the series, such as Death's Scythe, the Equalizer, the First Blade, Kaias spear, The Colt, Archangel Blade, Lance of Michael and so on. My question to you is, what do you think is the list of the most powerful and powerful weapons in the entire series supernatural?

    1.Angel Tablet > Demom Tablet > Leviathan Tablet

    2.Death's Scythe

    3.Lance of Michael=The Spear (object)

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  • The Mind Player II

    Has anyone played the game a Stanley Parable? Because I am starting to view God in a similar way to how the Narrator is in that game. You, the player, have free choice within the game, but it is limited, and the Narrator pretty much knows all your posible outcomes, and becomes angry and wrathful when you don't follow his story. Similar with how God went angry when he was defied. More, in the game, you have the illusion of choice, and in many endings, you end up doing what teh Narrator wants, or the Narrator "transforms" your choices into part of his story, shifting the world around. curiously, The Narrator never takes control of you, at least, not during the game, the only time when you loose control, is during one of the endings.

    Now, it c…

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  • TemTheory

    Season 15 Theory

    April 27, 2019 by TemTheory

    So watching the new season finale knowing the next season is a last its obvious what will happen. With jack in the empty awake talking to Billie and the apocalypse having been jumpstarted by the insane, mad with power God after thinking that no one is worthy anymore because of Sam and Dean, it clear billy will have a role with jack and Wait for it.... Lucifer. Yes it might seem strange but Lucifer is also awake. Lucifer said god didn't like him and that's because lucifer while being very evil and wanting to carry out the apocalypse sees the good in humanity with them being important. Jack and billie also dont want that. Now Billie is just as strong with god and so is jack. Lucifer isn't as strong but with their forces combined they have a …

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    this is what i want to see:



    first off i would love if they found a way to redeem chuck if thats possible, idk how they will do it though, its going to be tricky



    also more action and i guess for now the epic final battle will be against chuck? I highly doubt cass, sam and dean died in that battle against those demons but even if they did, im sure they will get brought back by someone



    as many cameos as you can get 



    now that chuck has opened hell, maybe the other residents down there we know from before-nick, um michael(earth 1 michael that is possessing adam), the shedim will come back. People are saying the dead demons will come back but its important to establish the dead demons are in the empty, a completely seperate dimension



    if chuck is to …










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  • Touchinos

    "Moriah" Discussion

    April 26, 2019 by Touchinos

    ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE ON A SHOCKING SEASON FINALE – Sam (Jared Padalecki), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Castiel (Misha Collins) are thrown into an epic battle. Meanwhile, Jack (Alexander Calvert) becomes disenchanted with all the lies, and an old friend from the past shows up.

    Thoughts on our final season finale? Was it epic or was it a let down? Discuss.

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  • Touchinos

    A PILLAR OF SALT – Sam (Jared Padalecki), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Castiel (Misha Collins) investigate a string of suspicious deaths that have a biblical element to them.

    What are your thoughts on the penultimate episode of the season?

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  • Thetwindler

    God vs. Jack

    April 14, 2019 by Thetwindler

    At full power, Jack appears to outclass every single kind of angel, demon, monster, deity, and it's not even a close call. With that being said, in a fight between him and his Grandfather, how do you think both would do? 

    I personally think God would win based on what has been said about his wide range of powers, but I also believe God would have to actually put some amount of effort in the fight to win. 

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    im not going to go into great detail but im very dissapointed that they are setting jack up as the villian, that really pisses me off cause I like jack, I like him a hell of alot more than dean and he's only been in like 2 seasons so far. And they are making him the villian simply cause he has no more soul which is BS cause they went to such extreme lengths to get sams back, they are just going to kill jack. And I bet u only sam and cass stand up for jack, dean and bobby 2 are going to be bloodthirsty for revenge



    and last nights episode, it wasnt a bad episode necessarily even though dean telling cass he is dead to him made me angry, I dont care if its his mom or not. And as I told others, bringing nick/lucifer back as jacks subconscious m…


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  • Touchinos

    "Absence" Discussion

    April 12, 2019 by Touchinos

    THE STATE OF BEING AWAY– Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) continue to worry about the condition of Jack’s (Alexander Calvert) soul.

    Thoughts?

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  • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+

    What exactly was the point of bringing back lucifer and nick if they were just going to off them like that? I mean first they get rid of michael, now lucifer. And while Im glad per say cause im sick of seeing them as villians, why did we have to go through all that hype and waiting for practically nothing to come out of it?, for jack to simply kill them off. 



    I still say at least the lucifer/nick storyline isnt over, or at least shouldnt technically be over. I think the michael one is over but it just ending abrubtly like that makes you question what they are doing, they being the writers. But going back to the lucifer/nick thing, first off lucifer is awake in the empty, i still have no idea why they havent brought up how the shadow hasnt …


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