Talk:Dean Winchester

Dean and the Impala
I think the information about the impala on Dean's page should be moved to the Impala page. Just need to know if anyone has a problem with it before I do it. I get that Impala is first and foremost Dean's, but the Impala page can be given a section for Dean and the Impala. Thanks. Mr.Comatose 03:13, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok I am moving the Impala imformation to the Impala page. It will make more room for the Dean page.

Samulet?
Should we remove the mention of the amulet being called the "Samulet" in the Appearance section? I know that's fandom's nickname for it, but it's never referred to that in-show and we're going by show canon here. Know what I mean? (I feel like I'm not explaining it too well.)

Yes I think so, since its a reference to fandoms.....wtf.....and on another note Im removing the above "I miss you Dean" section.....sigh i hate being the sane one on here lol Winchester7314 (talk) 02:42, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Quotes
Shouldn't he too have a quotes section on the page?. Afterall the show's funniest quotes are from him. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  13:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

I concur. I suggest the one like this--'Hi, I'm Dean. I'm an Aquarius, I like long walks on the beach, and frisky women.' I think that was in The Usual Suspects episode. FTWinchester (talk) 13:55, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, there are a lot like that. It'll be quite the list. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  14:20, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

I misunderstood you. Sorry. I thought we were talking about replacing/adding a quote at the top of the article that describes Dean himself. But I agree still. FTWinchester (talk) 14:23, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

That's alright. The comment on Sam's talk page that you made now makes sense to me. :P. I mean you said that y'all had to wait for me to suggest such a thing, didn't make sense at that time. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  14:32, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Significant episodes
Is there a way to update the significant episodes template, because now that season 8 is over, a few others should be added to the list. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:01, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

did anyone add Dean having a daughter that he later killed within the week?

It was there sans the name, although I added it now. Please sign your posts at the end using four consencutive tildes (~) or by using the signature function above. Thank you. FTWinchester (talk) 12:16, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Deaths
I was looking at the "Deaths" section, and was wondering why "In My Time of Dying" wasn't listed. I thought it was fairly clear that he died in that episode, given that the reaper was attempting to take his soul over to the other side and that John had to make the deal with Yellow-Eyes to "bring Dean back" (his words). Is this not the popular consensus? And is it at least reason enough to add it? Paradox Wolf (talk) 09:01, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

I don't remember him being really dead. He was grievously injured, but still alive. RaghavD All I need is ONE life, ONE try, ONE breath, I'm ONE man  10:14, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Is there another example of a reaper appearing to someone who was not dead (or have I just missunderstood how reapers work)? And is there a reason that John would make a deal for someone who was not dead? Or a reason that Azazel could not heal him himself and needed the help of a reaper? (I'm not intending to be difficult, I'm only curious.) Paradox Wolf (talk) 10:33, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

If I'm correct, they appear just before the person is about to die, so that they may take the soul to its resting place. RaghavD All I need is ONE life, ONE try, ONE breath, I'm ONE man  10:43, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

In " Appointment In Samarra ", doesn't Dean (as Death) show up when  people are dying (shot in the gut, post heart attack, etc.) and turn them into a soul (which is outside of its body) when they are truly dead, exactly like Dean had already become in that episode? Does that not mean that he was dead? And any ide a about the other stuff? Paradox Wolf (talk) 11:20, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

It could be a plot hole, I guess. I have no clue about why John did what he did. Why don't you check the transcripts of the episodes. They'll clear any doubts you may have. RaghavD All I need is ONE life, ONE try, ONE breath, I'm ONE man  12:55, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to point out a possible plot hole, so much as trying to show that what happens in that episode (In My Time of Dying) seems to fit with what the rest of the series considers to be someone dying. Anyways, thank you for your help. Sorry I took up so much of your time. Paradox Wolf (talk) 14:05, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can gather, as Dean had left his body he was techniqually dead, his body was only still alive because the machines were keeping him alive, recovery was not possible, he was clinciqually dead. The only reason his body didn't die was because he didn't let Tessa furfill the dead or go with her. As for why John needed to make the deal, well there was no natural way for Dean to recover so he needed the demons power, as for why Azazel possesed Tessa, I think it works because Dean hadn't passed over yet, he was in limbo between life and death, much like a ghost. As such Azazel needed a Reaper to find him. Either that or Azazel was just showing off to quel his ego. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:39, October 9,. 2013 (UTC)

So, are you saying that you agree that this counts as a death? Or that, at the very least, it should be mentioned in the Deaths section? Paradox Wolf ( talk ) 20:04, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, if a Reaper came for him he was clearly dead atleast techniqually. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:34, October 9, 2013 (UTC)



Knights are NOT a species
Dean is not a Knight of Hell. "Knight of Hell" is a title, not a species. The demons that became the Knights were all handpicked by Lucifer and trained by Cain. Dean has been neither. He is a corporeal demon like Cain, but he is not a Knight. 156.110.207.210 16:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, only the men of letters thought they were hand picked by lucifer. In first born when Dean was talking to Cain, Cain said that lucifer told him to make more demons. Cain didn't send them to hell, but made them into demons. That's how they were knights. They got extra powers because they were directly created by Lucifer's power (the mark of Cain) instead of going to hell and rotting.

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By definition though, a Knight of Hell is one of these selected few demons trained by Cain.

The mark of Cain does not make someone a Knight of Hell - Abadon didn't have the mark. And so there's no canonical reason to refer to Dean as a 'Knight of Hell' as the title simply doesn't apply.

It was never said that they became knights by being trained by Cain. It said that he trained them, but they weren't made into knights because of that. It's not like they could be trained to not be killed by an angel blade, or ruby's knife. They are immune, because they are a different type (species if you will) of demons. Cain trained them to do evil, but their special powers were because they weren't demonized in hell, but directly from Lucifers power. And I never said you needed the mark to become a knight, Cain became a knight through the Mark, but then he created others with the powers that Lucifer/the mark gave him, and the ones he directly created were the knights of hell.

To be technical, Knights of Hell are a subset of demon, whether or not you want to call it a species. As much as a species as archangels are for angels. By Crowley's story, yeah, I think Cain wore the mark incised by Lucifer and killed himself with the blade because of the monster it made him into, and so, like Dean, became a demon. Any amount of training doesn't turn people into demons, he trained them in ruthlessness and mercilessness. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:25 PM, May 26th 2014

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That's what I have been trying to say, knights of hell are to demons, as archangels are to angels. God didn't train the archangels to be more powerful than angels, but he created them with more power. This is the same with Knights of Hell. Cain taught them to kill and be ruthless, but they weren't trained to have the extra power they have, they were creative with it, just like the archangels.

Top Image
I understand that this is a dedicated fan resource, and that spoilers are inherent when consulting such a resource, but I feel that it is an oversight to allow an image showing Dean's demonic state to be the first thing on the 'Dean Winchester' character page.

Especially since, to date, series nine has not reached the entire fanbase. For example, UK audiences have yet to see ANY of season 9.

The image needs changed, for the sake of those not fortunate enough to be completely up to date, due to television companies.

134.36.154.191 22:36, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

God no! That's saddening that you think that's an excusable reason. If they're not up to date in the series, I'm sorry, but that's their fault and whole pages should not have to compensate for that. However, for pages that massively dribble spoilers a spoiler warning is helpful. That image may stay as the template's picture. -- ImperiexSeed, 6:51 PM, May 25th 2014

Dean has been a demon for like 2 seconds towards the end. I don't think it's grossly inappropriate if we use the human Dean in the template at least for now. Besides, the only shot where Dean is a demon doesn't look too good to be a template image. FTWinchester (talk) 01:49, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

I....agree.... I didn't say it is the best picture and must stay, I was just saying that it can be used as the template's picture and is not inappropriate unlike the user who replied before me, who was saying that stuff like that can't be integrated until fans who are behind catch up-which is inane. Even with people who can't watch the show systematically or normally, a whole site shouldn't be anchored down till they catch up. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:04 PM, May 25th 2014

That was just my opinion, though. I mean I know we should be updated--it's just, I don't know. A little disconcerting to see a human hunter for 9 seasons to have a demonic image when he just very recently became a demon? FTWinchester (talk) 02:25, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

We can agree that Dean's only been a demon for a small fraction of one episode. It's a big change, and a big deal - but it's a brand new, spoiler-filled cheese cake. Especially when you consider that entire nations of fans are as yet in the dark about it.

I'm not saying don't put it in the article. I'm saying, let's put a human Dean as the top image for now. In the interests of common decency in the face of bull crap TV companies, and honouring the nine seasons in which he was human.

134.36.154.191 02:52, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

You're actually right, replace it with the other picture. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:08 PM, May 25th 2014

Could somebody with more editing experience change the image?

I've spent the last half hour attempting to alter the Top image and haven't been able to.

Amaitland (talk) 12:42, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

unblock
why is this page blocked? it needs to be unblocked so that we can improve it and make edits. Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 06:21, June 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I suppose to reduce vandalization, but I agree. I want to remove the hyperlink on "Sword of Michael" because it just redirects back to this page. 96.42.229.221 16:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Can an admin please unlock this page? Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 07:18, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Please unlock this page? I want to fix some errors. How come Sam's page isn't locked? Celestial Demon

Dean's fears
A line in the trivia states Dean only fears Death, I think thats incorect as he was very clearly afraid of Alastair, he also feared Hellhounds (for atleast a while after his death) so I think it should be changed.General MGD 109 (talk) 23:38, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

I think it should be erased completely. Like with Death, it was also visible that Dean feared Michael and Lucifer, hellhounds, Hell itself, the monsters in Purgatory, Ben and Lisa being in danger, and lots more examples. It's a silly line and should be omitted asap.

Well, Dean does possess a very higher level of fear of Death than any of those. And every single time he does mouth off a little to him, he is quickly run over with an impression of fear and anxiety and you can see a look on his face that says, ", Shi*, shi*, should've kept my mouth shut." Yes, Dean technically showed fear of Hellhounds by instinctively running away from them, however unlike Death, he would certainly mockingly fire off insults. And with Lisa and Ben in danger, again, that kind of thing is instinctual. Dean even made fun of Michael the archangel by calling him "buttercup," and like I said, when Dean said "At least have the balls to admit it was rigged from the joint" to Death, he was quickly lashed with fear. Change it if you want, not gonna stop you on this one, just wanted to explain. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:36 PM, June 7th 2014

I have no opinion I was just addin my two cents. Trivia often is added and then removed after a while so it really doesn't matter too much anyway. Gurgatory (talk) 02:13, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't care if it goes or stays, but was just pointing out that there's a distinctive difference between an outright and instinctual fear. Dean might regard Lucifer with a way lower form of fear as he does Death, seeing as when he made a joke to Lucifer, and, he turned to him, you could see a regretful look on Dean's face. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:29 PM, June 7th 2014

That is true, but wouldn't you say that he fears Lucifer the same way? Dean also made a joke about him ("I'll alert the media") followed by a regretful look once Lucifer acknowledged him. Also, I think Hell wouldn't exactly count as instinctual fear, as nobody likes the idea of endless torture. He was so scared that he had to actively hide it and probably blocked the thoughts just to get him going. Decades of Hell vs. Death (who could only kill Dean)? You make a valid point though. Gurgatory (talk) 02:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Um, that's really almost incomparable; he fears Death of his power and that he could unpredictably do just about anything, but receiving centuries of torture in Hell, in its own way, is awful. If I had to pick, though, I'd say he fears Death more, as he could just dunk him in and out of Hell repeatedly for eighty-quadruple millennia. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:20 AM, June 8th 2014

Death didn't have much motive for that and Hell wasn't really on his mind but I could understand that I suppose. He'd probably just kill him though. Hell is more immediate and realistic whereas Death is lazy and probs wouldn't go through the trouble. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Gurgatory (talk) 07:20, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Weaknesses
The weaknesses subheading should be deleted. First of all its lower-case (that alone needs to be fixed) and second of all its all conjecture until we know more about DemonDean. For example for all we know he's like Abadouche and Cain and is immune to the Knife.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:42, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, until we get more information, delete it.General MGD 109 (talk) 18:56, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * It still hasn't been.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 05:22, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Demon Body
Now that Dean has died and came back as a demon, I am wondering. Is his body now just like any other "meat suit" worn by demons? Or has he become some kind of physical demon? 94.215.23.200 13:17, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Good question, and it brings up yet another good question. As being ressurected by the blade. Is he undead, much like all demons. I mean thats what a demon is, so it makes sense. But that would have to mean he's black smoke, i.e., undead and capable of leaving his body. I'm considering changing his status to Undead, but I just want to see what people think. Winchester7314 (talk) 00:05, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we should change his status to undead, none of the other demons has that as their statuses. Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 07:03, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

I do not believe demons, like Dean or Cain made by the blade through the mark, are locked within their bodies; they should be able to desert and possess anyone they want whenever they want, no different than other demons. But before I get into that, I got to say that the word "undead" has many inappropriate applications and is hugely misleading when using it to describe demons. Demons are spirits not frickin' zombies! Demons are perverted, evil versions of their human selves, to put real simply. So yeah, I do not believe any demon made in this way are solitarily different than other demons. This sameness, between conventionally and unconventionally made demons, would leave the writer with more possibilities if they left this alone. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:50 PM, July 21st 2014

Knight of Hell/Cain
At a recent interveiw, Jensen Ackles stated "he’s not just a demon, he's a demon with the Mark of Cain, which makes him like über demon." This official statement, plus the fact that Dean was turned the same way as Cain, I think it we should add that Dean is a knight of hell, and equal to Cain. What do you all think? Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 03:36, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

To be quite honest...I don't think Dean is a knight of hell now. Here is a clip from Comic Con and you can see Sam attempting to cut Dean with Rubies knife. Sam's not that stupid, so it must work, meaning Dean is not a knight of hell. Winchester7314 (talk) 23:40, July 27, 2014 (UTC)



I've seen that clip already, and Sam possibly doesn't know that Dean is a Knight, because he doesn't know what happened. But let's just wait for the show to say....FRICKEN OCTOBER!!!!!!!! Dean.winchestor.54 (talk) 00:11, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

I think its definitely a little premature to add that Dean is a Knight. As you said all our questions and more will be answered in October. How about we just wait until then when the show can confirm it for us? Anything before than would be practically speculation. Bkshadows (talk)

OH, also I was just watching 8x12, and realized a few key words. Henry was quoted as saying "Knights of hell are handpicked by lucifer himself, they are of the first fallen, and first born demons". Dean does not fit any of that criteria. It also means that the mark and blade were not what made Cain a knight, but the fact that he was one of the first few demons. This is undeniable, though I feel the SPN writers have overlooked one detail....that means Lilith would've had to have been a knight of hell, meaning she should not have been scared of Rubies knife. Though I guess that could be seen as a roose, since they were essentially trying to force Sam to drink demon blood, but that may be looking to far into it. Another way to explain could be the "handpicked by lucifer" meaning Lucifer would have to make Dean a knight of hell. Winchester7314 (talk) 20:02, July 28, 2014 (UTC)