Talk:Reapers

Rogue Reapers
"A new type of Reaper, referred to as a "rogue Reaper" appears inTaxi Driver. This type of Reaper takes mortals and souls between Earth and Heaven and Hell for a price and are visible without the necessity of being dead."

I don't think this is a real type, but more of an alignment, similar to how Gilda was a "good" fairy. It just describes how these reapers choose to work around the natural order and freelance for their own gain. To me, that does not indicate they are a separate kind of creature, because they are still basically the same, with the same ability. Other reapers could do the same, they just choose not to, because they would like to uphold the natural order, as their father would want them to. FTWinchester (talk) 02:59, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm surprised Death even allows them to exist. Put that in the pile of "bad writing". L4D2 Ellis (talk) 03:13, June 15, 2013 (UTC)(logging back in)

Agreed. It wasn't like he was imprisoned like when Tessa was possessed by Azazel, so he obviously could have done something about Ajay. FTWinchester (talk) 04:44, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. That and I think they should've just said that Crowley bound Ajay to take Bobby into Hell. It's not like reapers can't be bound. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 16:36, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that'd work, too. I was thinking they could've used a fairy for it (since the leprechaun mentioned that they had a way of finding backdoors) and eliminate the whole "Crowley has a reaper working for him to drag people into Hell even when they don't deserve it" angle.--50.89.225.132 17:02, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Mmhmm. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree including Fairies would have made how story even more confusing, Reapers specialise in the after life and transporting souls there the most likely candidates. As for why death allows it? Perhaphs it doesn't actually go agaist the natural order as that only seems to determine life, and as such Death simply tolerates some reapers breaking the rules. Or perhaps death is simply more lenient to his own children than he is to humans? --General MGD 109 (talk) 22:10, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

My point stands that "rogue" reeapers are still just reapers who are more carefree about their jobs, and that they are not a totally different class/type. FTWinchester (talk) 05:36, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Or maybe he has more pressing matters on his mind; he implied in Appointment in Samarra that he knew where his ring was when Dean was attempting to bribe him, but didn't assume absolute power (as in, wasn't like "I know absolutely everything"). Gurgatory (talk) 14:05, June 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * In this, FTWinchester has hit the nail, directly on the head. Rogue reapers do not, in any way, describe a separate type of reaper, but a categorization. Likewise, Fallen Angels are not a separate class of Angel, but a categorization of their allegiance. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:44 PM, June 18th 2013


 * From what I got on Death's end, he didn't get the ring because he doesn't need it to have his powers. So he never really bothered to get it back. Getting back his ring is one thing, his reapers disrupting the Natural Order is another. Not really comparable.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:11, June 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I always assumed he wanted it back simply because it was his. Like with his scythe, he doesn't need it to reap life. Plus, it would be irresponsible for Death to leave such power in a human's possession. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:17 PM, June 18th 2013


 * Same here. It's a personal belonging. He could've gone without it longer. But basically my point was that getting his ring back isn't as important as stopping his reapers from bending the Natural Order. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:22, June 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I totally agree. And besides, he can't be everywhere like God can. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:24, June 18th 2013
 * Um, Death can be anywhere right? I mean that's why there are people dying every second. That would imply that he is omnipresent too. Even on some distant planet teeming with alien life forms, Death is working his magic :) RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  16:49, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Death's being cannot FULLY be everywhere like God's can! Sorry, but he just can't. Yes, people are dying all over the world, but again, Death's being is not everywhere. I mean, Death's being was able to be bound to a certain location which supports my statement of, 'Death CANNOT be everywhere!' Death does not possess the three O's, like God. He's only somewhat omniscient, because he really didn't know why Dean bound him. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:54 PM, June 20th 2013
 * How about we call it a truce. You believe what you believe and I will continue believing what I believe :P RaghavD   Taking the ROAD less travelled  17:00, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, sure. It's just, I'd appreciate it if you could explain to me why Death is omnipresent. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:02 PM, June 20th 2013


 * Ok, just because Death's being was able to be bound, wouldn't stop people from being killed. So a part of him is still elsewhere, claiming lives every second. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  17:06, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * A PART of him, yes. You may want to look up the term omnipresence and see what it means. On the other hand, God's being if FULLY everywhere at once. God is fully present in Lucifer's Cage as he is on the Pluto. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:08 PM, June 20th 2013


 * If God was in Lucifer's cage, I'm pretty sure he would try to strangle Him. I'm just saying. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  17:12, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * You, obviously, misunderstand the whole concept of omnipresence: definition - someone's essence being everywhere FULLY. First, that would depend on if God revealed himself or not. And secondly, that's all he could do is try. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:17 PM, June 20th 2013


 * There's nothing about being fully or partly present. Anyway I concede. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  17:20, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Being partially present everywhere does not count as omnipresent. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:21 PM, June 20th 2013



Well Death isn't omnipresent. The only reason why people still die is because of the presense of his reapers. His line in "Appointment in Samarra" basically states that he isn't omnipresent. "I'm busy Dean, talk fast." Meaning that he has somewhere to be and that Dean is taking up his time. If he were omnipresent, he wouldn't have said that.

Besides, I don't believe that God is omnipresent either. All of the angels believe he is gone. If he were truely omnipresent, he wouldn't have "left the building." L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:26, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:25, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

[ On the rouge reaper talk, not God's omnipresent talk. I think, it worth noting that there are rouge reapers, and what they do. But, their not like a separate breed in the same race, like how Cupids are a separate species in the angelic race. Also, something General said, I think Death allows these rouge reapers to operate, as I doubt in the reaper race, there are THAT many. And despite, not being morally or job ethically right like Tessa. They still, do bring souls to the after-life worlds. Which one is based on other factors rather tha, who is good and bad. And, Death seems to only care if souls as a whole go one of the after-life worlds Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, and that each of the world's soul population isn't largely affected like how he gave Dean, a warring about the souls in season 6. As, Castiel and Crowley were directly effecting going after 30-40 million souls in Purgatory.]&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 17:54, June 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * God is omnipresent, Death is not. Quote "He's left the building" simply means he's no longer interacting with his creation. His being is still present everywhere. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:32 PM, June 20th 2013


 * I don't think it's just that. With the angels being unable to find their father and screwing everything up. I think that God leaving the building is more than just no longer interacting. I think he physically left Heaven and is off somewhere where the angels can't find him. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:47, June 20, 2013 (UTC)




 * No, that's what "He's left the building" means - not interacting. It has nothing to do with his ability of omnipresence, or lack of. He can conceal his very presence, that's why not even the Archangels knew where he was. Not even Lucifer knows where he is, who, in the Bible, can approach the presence of God. Death knows where is he is, which is probably because God revealed it to him. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:51 PM, June 20th 2013


 * There's no such thing as rouge reapers. Rogue reapers, yes. Rouge reapers, unlikely. Unless Tessa decides to put on extra makeup. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 18:08, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I meant to type Rogue, but spelled rouge instead.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 18:32, June 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm amazed that a rogue reaper would fear a demon, king or not over the wrath of his master, death, surely if Death himself appeared in the backseat of the taxi with crowley, the reaper would instantly ignore crowley and start groveling to Death, as Crowley's Angel blade wont scare death and death would prevent its function anyway.
 * The fact that death himself does not slap his kids for misbehaving shows he might not even care, like god with angels, although at least reapers get to see thier creator and directly take oders, unlike god who gets 'worst dad of the milenium award.
 * Princepurple (talk) 07:15, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * It makes entirely no sense for Death not to care when we know how he feels about the Natural Order. 67.244.64.204 17:31, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * The way I see it the natural order is a person dying when they are supposed to, as was seen in Samarra, there are big consequences for reaping someone when they are supposed to die. What happens to the person's soul afterwards is of no concern of Death's, if that were the case he would make the reapers force the people to move on instead of giving them the choice to stay and becoming a vengeful spirit or move on. So the ultimate destination of the soul is really of no concern to Death.--Michael42 (talk) 16:14, January 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe Deaths just to busy to do anything at the moment, he's still probably clearling up all the mess caused by Castiel and Crowley, the Leviathans and the incomplete trials. And now he has to Deal with the Angels walking the earth, the guys probably unable to get round to dealing with the reapers just yet, they presumably know it, hence why there rebeling. Personally I don't like the idea of Rouge reapers, but I would like to see them again if the episode also had a regular reaper aswell, just to see how they would react to each other. I imagine the regular angel screaming traitor and trying to murder them. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:19, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean regular reaper? FTWinchester (talk) 20:35, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well preferably more than one, so I could watch them hold there rouge counterparters down and beat them up. But yeah. Regular, loyal reapers, meeting there traitorous rouge counterparters, just to see how they would react.General MGD 109 (talk) 20:03, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ya, I understood what you meant. It's just the last part that confused me since you typed regular angel. FTWinchester (talk) 20:35, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * My word so I did, I hadn't noticed. I guess I was thinking about Angels when I wrote that. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:46, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

time manipulation
Since when does breaking a clock count as manipulating time?
 * Breaking the clock isn't what their time manipulation ability is. It was said that reapers could actually *stop* time, just like Fate in Season 6. Ensephylon (talk) 16:53, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

So...reapers are angels now? In last night's episode "Stairway to Heave," Dean referred to Tess "I like you Tess---ok, for an angel." And asked her why she didn't off herself with an angel blade (reapers have angel blades?) I'm thinking the Reaper wikia article needs updated to reflect that reapers are in fact a type of angel.108.209.190.207 13:20, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Also, since reapers are a type of angel, how the heck was azazel able to posses Tessa in season 2?


 * The Tessa body appears to be a physical vessel. Azazel "possessing" Tessa was likely just him occupying the same vessel, like how Crowley and Gadreel both occupied Sam in "Road Trip". And since some/maybe all angels can become invisible, that explains why nobody else in the hospital could see her. But it's still a horrendously ugly retcon with many other problems. Ensephylon (talk) 16:53, May 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Tessa had no f'n vessel, okay? Why do people keep claiming this? She explained it herself, she just modified her appearance to catch the attention of Dean.


 * "It's my sandbox, I can make you see whatever I want. [...] You saw my true form and you flipped out."


 * She wasn't possessing anything. Tessa was just herself. Ergo, the ridiculous notion that Azazel possessed an angel. FTWinchester (talk) 23:53, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Angels
Reapers are angels who serve death? how is this? why do they serve death?

Princepurple (talk) 03:53, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Why do we even bother discussing this. Nothing makes sense anymore. Reapers are angels. *endless expletives* FTWinchester (talk) 01:14, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe under current mythos death himself is also an angel. THE angel of death. and the other reapers are just his angel helpers.


 * And an angel is capable of reaping God and Godstiel? Yeah, okay, writers. FTWinchester (talk) 23:54, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Reapers are NOT angels. That is said nowhere in the show. Dean calls Tessa a Reaper when he first hears of her in Stairway to Heaven and while he does later say that he likes her even though she's an angel (or something like that) I always figured Jensen flubbed the line or something. There's no other indication they are angels and that should not be put on the page until we receive some kind of confirmation of it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:39, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, there is no official confrimation, that does appear the way they are head (only the Lord knows why) but it isn't confirmed yet, hopefully there come to there senses before it is. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:07, June 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * I too agree. The only time at all in 'Stairway to Heaven' we actually heard reapers and angels be referred to as the same thing was when Dean said he liked Tessa for an angel; and I know this sounds a little far-fetched, but he was probably just comparing her to an angel rather than actually calling her one. After all, like General MGD 109 said, there was no other actual confirmation, plus angels have treated reapers like a separate species in past episodes such as 'I'm No Angel.' Personally I think it would be very senseless and unrealistic and unfitting on the show writers' part if it were to be officially confirmed that reapers are an angel caste, due to several mythos inconsistencies I can think up. TroopDude (talk) 16:32, August 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think reapers are really angels. Think about this. Reapers are the ones who take the souls to their respective last place. If they are angels, so they can't go to Heaven and so they can't take the souls to there and that's why they stay trapped on Earth.Rakoon1 (talk) 22:40, September 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Literally what? FTWinchester (talk) 19:31, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization
Why is 'Reaper' capitalized exactly? It shares this with Leviathan as well. Angels, demons, other monsters aren't capitalized, what makes this different? When people spell 'Grim reaper' they usually leave 'reaper' without capitalization, anyone can look that up easy. Gourgeist (talk) 17:08, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

"Dark Side of the Moon"
In "Dark Side of the Moon" Sam and Dean went to Heaven without a reaper. Thoughts? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:27, September 1, 2014 (UTC)