Talk:God

Lucifer is Actually the first Angel created by God michael is the second this was stated in the Movie The Prophecy that's how i know that and i'm guessing Supernatural has the same origin 64.114.124.161 23:30, October 29, 2009 (UTC)Smallville944

According to Gabriel in the 'changing channels' episode didnt he say that michael was the older brother to lucifer just as dean is the older brother to sam Yojimbo and diagoro 00:59, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is what Gabriel said. That movie is just that; a movie. Please don't use information from something completely different to try and prove something on Supernatural.

Hi
According to Gabriel, Michael is the older brother of Lucifer. This proves that Michael was created first (at least in this show). Lucifer in biblical teachings was God's first angel, however in this show Michael was said to be the older brother. This proves that Michael was created before Lucifer because of his age.

Anderson Writer (November 14th 2009)

Question?
Is John Winchester God. You see, if Sam is the vessel for Lucifer, and Dean is the vessel for Michael, then surely the father of the two brothers is the father of the two brothers! Jake200493 10:08, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I mean, I don't know for sure. But I can say with 99.999% accuracy that John is not God. Neither is Sam actually Lucifer, or Dean actually Michael. The Winchester brothers are just vessels. --Effectofthemassvariety 06:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant God's vessel. Can't afford to be precise when your Human Bio teacher is watching you like a hawk making sure you're essay writing :(


 * HA! Been there, done that. :) Now that I look at it, I should've seen what you meant. Anyways, I can't say with any certainty that John Winchester is or is not God's vessel. It would be really cool if he was. However, in my personal opinion, I would say no. Personally, and I wrote a blog on this (Twice), I think that Crowley is God. But no one else thinks that. I mean, besides my sister. :/ --Effectofthemassvariety 07:00, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Answer
The answer to your question is simple; John Winchester is not God. For more feedback please leave a message on my talk page.

Thanks

Anderson Writer (November 17th 2009)

Non Denominational Television Hour
Alright, honestly, the first paragraph REALLY bugs me! I mean, I am a christian, and I do believe in Jesus, but in the Supernatural Universe, they do not address it at all. They never confirm or deny it. So, I am going to delete any sentence that says anything about Jesus. This isn't sunday school, it's a wiki about a television show that talks of angels and demons, never of Jesus.--Effectofthemassvariety 07:06, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, honestly...
This is getting ridiculous! This article is just a jumbles of odd facts that are unrelated to the show. And, so, I am going to take it

upon myself to fix this article. --Effectofthemassvariety 23:43, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Proof of Chuck Being God
Hi What Proof do we Have that Chuck is God this article just seems to be theories of Chuck being God and bnot actual proof hi is a Prophet Not God and he dissapeared and teleported simply cause his work as a Prophet was finished not because he's God unless i see some actual proof i won't believe that Chuck is God they didn't state that in the finale - Smallville944
 * See the "Notes" section for a listing of all evidence, very clear indeed. Also, the writers did say at one point we'd learn who God was by the end of the show, it was blatantly obvious in the end. 173.27.32.201 06:15, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * True, and to make it clear for the Doubting Thomases out there, consider these things:
 * 1) Upon first meeting Chuck, he drops an obvious hint that he could be God by claiming that he's a god of some kind, though it's dismissed by Sam and Dean b/c of how insignificant he seems:
 * Chuck: Well, there's only one explanation. Obviously I'm a god.


 * Sam: You're not a god.


 * Chuck: How else do you explain it? I write things and then they come to life. Yeah, no, I'm definitely a god. A cruel, cruel, capricious god. The things I put you through -- The physical beatings alone.


 * 2) A Prophet is only supposed to write the words of God as God sends them to him, he's not supposed to actually consider how he wants the story to go. In Swan Song, Chuck is musing about "getting the ending right". Were he not God, he wouldn't have been doing this. God is the one that dictates endings.
 * 3) Chuck's final words are that "nothing really ends", and the only person for whom that truly applies is God.
 * 4) Chuck is wearing all white in his final scene, which most believe to be God's chosen style. What's more, we see a confidence in him in this final shot that he has never shown before, as though he were a completely different person.
 * 5) Most obvious of all, Chuck vanishes into thin air at the end, something no human, Prophet or not, is capable of doing. Chuck passed himself off as a normal guy up to this point, and here he showed he had power nobody had known him to have before. We've already seen one character masquerade as something he wasn't really in Gabriel, one of God's Archangels.
 * 6) In the final episode, he thinks Dean is a prostitute named "Miss Magda", and most know the story of Mary Magdalene, the repentant prostitute whom Jesus (God's physical manifestation) was said to have loved more than his own disciples. "Miss Magda" is a clear nod to Mary Magdalene.
 * 7) Finally, the writers said some time ago that before the end of Season 5 we would learn who God was. Ergo, somewhere near the end of the season (namely in the finale) God would be revealed to the audience. (http://www.spoilersguide.com/supernatural/supernatural-eric-kripke-interview/)
 * I watched the season finale with two friends who love the show as much as me and who are fairly open-minded. Both of them agreed immediately that it was blatantly obvious by the end who God was, even if it wasn't spoon-fed to the audience by putting a name-tag on Chuck saying "Hello, my name is God". There's always going to be anals out there that absolutely won't accept things unless they spell it out word-for-word, but apparently to the vast majority of the fan base, they agree that it was clear that in the end, Chuck was God all along. As for all the ballahooing about Dean's Amulet not glowing in Chuck's presence, we remembered that Joshua said that it would not help to find Him b/c He did not want to be found. God has the power to shield Himself from such things obviously. Lucifer1987 06:35, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Those are good points however they didn't state he was God so we don't know 100% if it's true
 * Actually it is, Kripke stated in the interview God would be revealed in the finale, and he was true to his word. 68.171.234.188 23:30, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you should be making claims that Chuck is God it's presumptuous to assume so. You should wait like everyone else till season 6 and you find out who Chuck really is before you make a wiki site. 1st thing prophets ascend to heaven when there work is done. Happened to the Jewish prophet Elijah and to Jesus Christ. It could be that Chuck was Jesus or Elijah. They are both prophesied to come before the Apocalypse. If you want to make claims that Chuck is God make a blog like everyone else and don't put it on a Wiki site so to people who believe what ever is on the internet thinks it to be true. I hope the network proves your presumptuous ass wrong!


 * Actually, you're the one that's wrong for refusing to admit the obvious and that Kripke himself stated we would learn who God was in the finale, and the only obvious character was Chuck. This is not the place for anals who refuse to admit facts. The fact of the matter is that Kripke as good as confirmed Chuck to be God when he stated God would be revealed in the finale. There are no reports of Prophets ever just vanishing into thin air, so your assumptions about Elijah and/or Jesus have no place here as they do not feature into this story nor did they ever feature into biblical lore to start with since neither was said to have done that. Do not confuse Supernatural with your own preferred religion. Sorry, but you need to step back and accept that Kripke has basically already confirmed this a long time ago. I'd also like to add that this is no place for pompous windbags upset that their views are not shared by as many as they'd like. 131.230.191.8 14:22, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, those trying to disprove that Chuck is God really don't have any genuine basis to do so. No Prophet, not even Jesus, was said to have just up and disappeared into thin air literally. And we have already had one character masquerade as something he really wasn't, Gabriel. Kripke confirms in the previously posted interview from near the middle of the season that God would be revealed in the season finale, Swan Song. Now, the only candidate (an obvious one at that) that fits that bill is Chuck, and 80% of the fan base seems to agree that it was fairly obvious even without Kripke's previous statement. Chuck also drops the hint that he's a god of some kind when we first meet him. There's more evidence for Chuck being God than there is against in my book, and Kripke's statement is as good a confirmation as any. "And yes, God will definitely be appearing, Kripke reveals, probably in the season finale." Lucifer1987 14:32, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ever think it could be Cass? Remember Dean asked are you God? Maybe when Cass was killed by Ralph he really did die and wasn't rezed by God but God took his form. Maybe that is what is meant by God would be revealed in the fianle. Supernatural always gives you a twist. Maybe Cass doesn't even know he is God. You can not say facts when there are other facts that can be true just as well. With all the blogs about God being Chuck even if they were going to make Chuck God, they most likely will not just to give that twist ending that Supernatural does so well. Notice how I say most likely? I say this because I don't know the outcome, and neither do you! So like I stated before make a blog until it is stated as a fact by the creator that Chuck is God. You are not the creator of Supernatural and shouldn't be speaking for him. Also as it was stated before God uses like Angles humans as vessels. So you would think that the Vessel would be left on earth like the vessels of the Angels. However, prophets ascend to heaven when their work is done on earth, that could be what happened to Chuck. We don't know either way until the reveal.


 * Castiel was already ruled out, by himself, if you'd watched the finale. Sorry man, but this just sounds like a lot of nonsense from somebody who just doesn't want to admit an obvious truth. Kripke confirmed we'd see God in the finale, and the only person that fits that bill is Chuck, very plain and very clear. You seem to conveniently want to avoid that point and try to twist it so that it fits your wish to simply try to disprove Chuck being God, which isn't working. Simply b/c you can't comprehend the ending of Season 5 doesn't mean the rest of us are incapable of understanding what Kripke meant back in November and what was shown in May. Lol, you speak of twists, well if Chuck being God in reality isn't a twist, I don't know what one is. And you have failed to produce even one instance in any kind of lore where a Prophet just up and vanishes into thin air. Your assertions that he "ascended to Heaven after his work was done" have no concrete evidence to support them, as there has never been any instance where a Prophet has made such an exit nor had the power to do that alone. No human being, Prophet or not, has ever had the power to just vanish into thin air. When it all comes down to it, it's Kripke's own words that make such attempts to disprove Chuck's identity as God seem desperate and unfounded. Kripke says the audience will learn who God is in the finale, and we see only one very obvious candidate for that role in the finale, with Kripke dropping unmistakable hints of who it is throughout the episode. And I think that the "creator of Supernatural" spoke loud and clear (you set yourself up for this one), and he said, without a doubt, that God would appear in the finale. Sorry that you can't wrap your head around that, but as someone else said, this is not a place for looneys. Take your nonsense elsewhere if you're unwilling to accept obvious facts in the face of reason. Lucifer1987 16:55, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I said if you read my post that maybe Cass doesn't know he is God. You know God works in mysterious ways. And I am not saying anything about the facts you have but it has not be confrimed nor denied by the creator and thus you should not be saying yes or no either way. I am not saying chuck is not God nor saying that he is. You can speculate all you want but that is all you can do because no one can say with !00% certianity that Chuck is or isn't. Writers change their minds all the time. He may have said that god would be revealed but he has the right to change his mind doesn't he?

Is Chuck God?
Following the Season Five finale, there was much debate amongst fans to whether Chuck was in fact God, and whether he had been so all along. While consensus was with Chuck as the Divine being - Many fans started substituting Chuck's name for Gods in expression's such as "Chuck be praised?" and "Thank Chuck" - not all agreed. Chuck as a writer is the creator of the story of Sam and Dean Winchester in the form of the Supernatural books. He says when confronted with the real Sam and Dean that he "is a god", for all that he puts them through in the books happens in real life. This is explained by Castiel as Chuck being a prophet of God. Castiel says the "Supernatural" Books will become known as the Winchester Gospels.

The metaphor in this episode is of the writer as creator. Chuck's pseudonym is Carver Edlund, a reference to Supernatural writers Jeremy Carver and Ben Edlund. The character is an avatar for Kripke himself Source and is used to comment on the text and process of writing with reference to specific past episodes of the Show. This metaphor would also hold then is God, the creator, was also the writer. We have a trinity here - Chuck, Kripke and God.

Sam and Dean find out from the angel Joshua that God is on Earth 5.16 Dark Side Of The Moon

In the finale there, is further foreshadowing of Chuck's true identity: When Dean calls Chuck, Chuck answers the phone "Mistress Magda," and we briefly see a newspaper ad for a blonde women in a bikini named "Miss Magda" on Chuck's desk before he puts his glass on it. This may be a reference to Mary Magdalene who Jesus, the physical incarnation of God, healed of demons. She then become a follower of his, and an early Christian leader.

Chuck, after narrating the events that take place, finally appears dressed in white musing on the difficulty of getting endings right. He then disappears - Chuck, it seems, is God.

Fans arguing against Chuck's divinity point primarily to the fact that Dean's Amulet, which Castiel says will "burn hot" in God's presence does not react when Dean and Chuck meet face to face in 4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book, 4.22 Lucifer Rising, and 5.01 Sympathy For The Devil. However, Joshua tells Sam and Dean in Heaven "Magic amulet or not, you won't be able to find him".

Other arguments include the failure of others to recognise God's true self, including Raphael is the archangel assigned to protect Chuck. In 5.03 Free To Be You And Me, he tells Dean and Castiel that God is "dead" and they are living in a "godless universe."

Castiel is also ignorant of Chuck's true identity. He held off Raphael at Chuck's house while Dean went after Sam in 4.22 Lucifer Rising, and met Chuck several times.

The answer may never be confirmed, or further information may be revealed in Season 6.

This is from the SupernaturalWiki site see how they say they can neither confrim nor deny if chuck is god or not? That is the proper way to do it, not your way.


 * Newsflash: THIS IS NOT SUPERNATURALWIKI! You're just a hack for them, trying to get us to go by your policies, and that's not us. We're not going to have you dictate to us what we do here. If you prefer that way, go over there and leave this wiki. We don't need anals like you here trying to shove your anal policies down our throats. If you can't take the hint, TAKE A HIKE!! 131.230.191.8 16:27, May 21, 2010 (UTC)