User talk:SeraphLucifer

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the User blog:EmpyreanSmoke/Supernatural Q&A page. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help you with anything! Also note that we are in the process of converting articles written in the present tense to the past tense. So you are welcome to edit any such article you come across. Once again, Welcome! Twilight Despair 5 (talk) 07:49, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Dont argue about what you think is stronger in the article. If it was specifically shown in the show, then put it but dont guess and dont argue about it in the article. The fact that you thin it might be possible or unlikely should mean we dont actually now what can really be true and it shouldnt be in article. --SPNfan7908 (talk) 22:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Archangels vs Leviathans
I recognized that you deleted Eve and leviathans from the archangel pages. While I tend to say archangels in their true form can't be killed by anyone besides God or The Darkness, I fully support to add Leviathans as a weakness to the archangel pages, which doesn't mean a leviathan would always win against them, (as I said the archangels know a lot of spells that could probably very well be dangerous for even higher leviathans, for example set them into a coma, ...) it just means that Leviathans could kill them. As there is no consensus on that topic, I think it would be the best to collect all the arguments from the weaknesses blog and add them to the pages. It would satisfy both sides and hopefully prevent further edit warring. After a long discussion, we were unable to achieve a consensus and according to this wikia policy "The topic has been open for a long period of time and the discussion has reached a standstill with no sign of consensus forming. The topic should be closed, on a basis of no consensus." We should close the topic on a basis of no consensus. Lambda1 (talk) 16:13, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Send me links
Send me links of the people, I'll decide from there what to do. Thank you, for bring this to me.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:10, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Ok not about what you messaged me from earlier. This message isn't about language changes or trolls. But Death was clear. Lucifer passed the Mark to Cain. Lucifer didn't have it in season 5. If he did no point for Michael to fight him. Even being as the good son. Lucifer would just come back. Their was only one Mark. It was undone by the spell. When Death said share he meant pass to someone else. As it was the Darkness' seal. So the owner of the Mark can give it to others. It was never copied. Now it's effects do last past it. Hence why Cain when killer crazy in season 10.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 03:42, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'll think about the Super Strength page. But about the Mark it was GIVEN to Deab. This isn't speculation. First off, if it was just copied Cain would have come back to life even killed from the first blade. As Death said (nothing) can kill the holder of the first curse. Also, yes Cain was back under its influence but he had the mark for thousands of years. Cain made the first blade he still could tap into its part a bit. But ultimately Dean was the current holder at that time. There has only ever been one mark, it was never copied. There are many counts of it being told it was passed from Lucifer-to-Cain-to-Dean.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:08, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Ok explain this. Why did the spell to remove the mark only affect Dean? By your logic it it should have to been removed from all the holders both current and previous. The spell needed parts of the holder. Rowena used some of his hair to break the curse of the Mark. Cain might have regain the Mark as a reflect affect of holding the Blade. He was a demon made while holding the mark they didn't use any part of Lucifer or Cain in the spell. Dean was a human at that time. Cain might be able to be influence or share its power with the holder, if he gets his hands on the blade. But there is only one OWNER of the mark at a time.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:34, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Forgot to sign, you last point. There is evidence Cain could tap into the Marks power to fuel the Blade's power while he held it. But, forums and the like are not to influence canon info here if they aren't from cast or crew. As of now the mark has only been transferred not copied and will be listed as such in articles. Until proven wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also to prove my point. Death said he could remove (the) Mark, but to give it to someone else to keep the Darkness banned. He wouldn't have cared if Dean's was only a copy as breaking the copy wouldn't logically break the seal of the cage of the Darkness. Also it could something as simple as production error on giving Cain the mark on 10x14.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 22:03, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

I reviewed and I am opting to keep it the same.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:12, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

It's to late!
That is it Seraph Lucifer! I've told you to stop it but you refuse! You're worse than Abdelfadeel himself! Unlike you, When Abdelfadeel edits, it's without bias, and with arguments. You don't want to discuss this like a rational human being! I'm done.

172.101.67.105 22:09, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

OK. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Knights and Archangels
Please stop reverting the Invulnerability page, as there is nothing suggesting the archangels can kill knights of hell. The lore states that the archangels needed the first blade to kill them, so this is actually evidence against your statement. Try not to revert things over 3 times in the future; talk it out on the talk pages. Thanks. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 22:46, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Alright boss SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

It was actually on the indestructablity page.

Issues
Man, you really have some issues! Just because somone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you or are out to get you. They just disagree wuth you dude. No need to get offense man. Just chill out. 172.101.67.105 02:06, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Death II
Don't worry, I deleted the page. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:12, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Response
Don't know if your watching my page but my response to you is there. Also, this message was left about you on an Adminstrator's talk page so your pissing other people off, not just me:

"I am having problems with the user known as SeraphLucifer. He broke the three revert rule. He keeps adding non-cannon information. He keeps saying Archangels can kill knights of hell. He doesn't even say possibly, to imply they possibly can, yet leaving the possibility they can't. He is saying they can for certain even though we've never seen a knight of hell be killed by anything but the 1st blade. I've repeatedly warned him to stop and put my reasoning for it . He refuses and just undoes my edits without argument whatsoever. His only argument, was something along the lines of "In the lore it says the archangels could kill them."

There are two major problems with this argument. The first being: the lore greatly differs from the show. For example Lucifer is a Cherub in the lore and Michael is a seraph. Yet, in the show, both are archangels. This is just one of many differences.

Number 2: Even if we do give him the benefit of the doubt. The Knights were created by the writers purely for plot. Their is absolutely no lore on The Knights whatsoever. So that's obviously a lie.

Please ban him as it is corrupting the wikia. Thank you."

Not very encouraging to have someone asking an Administrator to do that dude. That's not me either.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:40, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Apology
Hey SeraphLucifer, I want to apologize for everything I said to you and my behavior torwards you. I had no right to say any of that and that was very rude of me. I was being very stubborn and rude.

Its k pal. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:06, November 17, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Computer.
Hey man! what happened to your computer?

Not online as much.
Hey man! What happened to your computer? Are you getting a new one? 168.169.25.92 05:37, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Good for you man! How'd your laptop explode anyways? 168.169.25.92 23:53, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

My Conversion page
Hi. I'm making a page for the power of Conversion, which I thought this site needed with so many characters of the show displaying it. But I wanted your opinion on it before I published:

Conversion is the power to transform a being into an entirely new and different type of being.

Characters with this power

 * Monsters- Monsters can transform Humans into their respective species by various means, such as bite, venom or blood transfusion.
 * Eve- Eve can transform any human into any monster she wishes with only a touch. She can even transform them into a hybrid species, such as the Jefferson Starships, although it seems that she requires experimentation before perfecting it, as the betas began to die before she mastered it.
 * Demons- Demons can transform human souls into demons through torture.
 * Lucifer- Lucifer created Lilith, the first demon, by torturing and mutilating her soul.

Objects and curses with this effect

 * Mark of Cain- Upon the death of the bearer, the mark resurrects them while transforming their soul into a Knight of Hell.

Spells and rituals with this effect

 * Demon Curing Ritual- This ritual can convert a demon back into becoming human again.

What do you think? Gabriel456 (talk) 18:48, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, thanks :) Gabriel456 (talk) 18:54, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hey
I gave him a last warning, if it moves past blogs this time. I will block him.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:30, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Just doing my admin job. He went from being on the thin edge of the policy page, of what is allowed. To finally breaking it and this time I made sure to make a block worthy of his actions.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:08, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Barricading/Restricting Spell
Hi, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I personally haven't seen the episode featuring the spell. Which would be more appropriate to keep? Also, please always sign your posts on users' walls. Thank you. FTWinchester (talk) 01:40, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

That's okay. It's not a bannable offense LOL. Looking closely into it, the title Barricading spell seems more aptly named. But I agree the content of Restricting page is better. How about I merge them? FTWinchester (talk) 01:49, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Done and done. FTWinchester (talk) 02:01, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Survey
Yeah, not a problem. What do you want to know? RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  18:07, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

We have all started with small edits and progressed from there. While your enthusiasm to improve your self is certainly commendable, asking someone else to give their opinion on your edits is not entirely fair. One man's food is another man's poison. What might look to be a minor edit for me, will obviously feel like a substantial one to you, if you have made the edit. I think you are a pretty good judge of how much you have been contributing to the Wiki. Although judging from the various conversations on your talk page, it's better to first air your thoughts on the page's talk page before you make any major changes that upset a lot of users. RaghavD '"I'm a CLASSIC man"  18:28, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Survey
Hi SeraphLucifer, I generally like your edits since you keep them neutral and based on the show's facts. You also added many missing things on the articles, for example information about actors or cross reference to other pages. Even if you disagree on some matter, for example as we had different opinions on the mortality of the horseman Famine, we were able to resolve this in a neutral manner on the talk page, without any major edit warring. Keep doing your good work !

Sorry for my late response, almost forgot you even requested this but I'm not quite sure what your asking? haha. You just want to know how people think your doing? hmm i see you've active quite frequently for the most part and you give positive contributes to the wiki. Bkshadows (talk)

Re: Sorry
It's nothing to apologize for. But do sign your messages in the future. RaghavD "I'm a CLASSIC man"  13:49, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Assbutt
What do you mean it was Castiel? Each time I listen to it, it was Dean who shouted "Assbutt". Are you sure you're right? Kajune (talk) 22:57, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Good news
I think you dislike this as much as I do, so here: http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Blaziken_rjcf?diff=178799&oldid=178486

Let's get to work.

Orion ( T - B -C) 18:39, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

From your edits, it struck me that you dislike speculation on wikis as much as I do. However, this wiki is riddled with "X can possibly hurt/kill/imprison Y", or "It's likely X did this because ____", which are fan speculation. I believed this was allowed on this wiki, but recently got the confirmation that it's not (in the link above). You've expressed a desire to help the wiki, so I thought it would benefit the wiki to share the good news with you.

Orion ( T - B -C) 14:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Cain as a Knight of Hell
Cain said it himself when he explained the truth behind what he'd done to Abel. IIRC, it was something like this:

"And so, I killed Abel. Became a soldier of Hell. A Knight."

Orion ( T - B -C) 21:33, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Ban request
Done and done. Thank you for your participation and for the well-wishes. I wish you the same. FTWinchester (talk) 21:51, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Research is required. Because if I remember right the actor of Gabriel said he was alive.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:38, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Gabriel
I've been trying to stay out of it, but sure:

If a writer says something, and we have no reason to doubt them, then that's that. We (fans) do not decide anything about the series, no matter how much some of us wish we could (like the ones who keep vandalizing specific characters' articles, presumably in a bizarre attempt to make their fantasies come true). The writer's word is the ultimate authority, because it is they who create canon. Some fans may claim they "don't consider" certain events in any given series to be canon, but their opinions are irrelevant to actual canon.

With that in mind, because this confirmation came from the actor, and not a writer, it might not be so reliable. As you mentioned, Mark said something similar about Crowley, which wasn't true.

Orion ( T - B -C) 20:57, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Category
Hello, do you know how to remove a page from a particular category? There are a handful of pages in the Stub category that aren't actually stubs anymore. Kajune (talk) 14:58, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Bobby Singer
Why did you change Bobby's profile picture? I felt the other one was nice and big and clear. This one is small and dark and it's Bobby as a spirit isn't it? Kajune (talk) 09:23, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

I gave them, two days to show me creditable links or articles proving he is alive. If nothing changes I will change it back.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:53, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Profile Pictures
I really really really think you shouldn't worry too much about how old or new the picture is. It's supposed to represent the general appearance of the character. The newest image of a character may not even be good, and really, Lucifer!Nick's and Bobby's are not, compared to their originals. In my honest opinion, both are better off with the originals. I mean, Bobby's one showed his whole body, full appearance, and it was a brilliant choice. If you worry about time, then add the latest image near the episode it came from. Do you agree? Kajune (talk) 14:42, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Knights of Hell
Cain was the one to recruit and make the Knights. But the Knights are both a group and a separate species of demons.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:22, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

It has been stated at least the articles here, the Mari of Cain is he source of the Knights of Hell. Like a Knights is a crossroad demon. A group of separate species of demons. And what you mean by Hope I'm ok?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:31, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Well thank you for that. :)&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:36, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

You looking to be an admin, or something?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:10, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 04:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Horsemen
I'm checking them now.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:08, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Done. I removed the "possibly"'s from their weaknesses, the unconfirmed relative ages and origins, cut down on the Powers and Abilities sections by removing redundant or excessive information, and removed comparisons to other characters (which is irrelevant to their individual powers and just serves as aggrandizement of those other characters).

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:56, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

RE: A small favor
Sure. I'll keep an eye out.

Orion ( T - B -C) 08:16, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

RE: God's Sexual choice
Hey, I'm having fun. He knows he's wrong, but he's doing it because he can't separate his personal beliefs from TV. I find that sort of behavior hilarious, albeit indicative of psychosis. Besides, like I said, brings up my edit count.

Seriously though, it's my firm belief that vandalism must be fought until the admins stop it permanently.

PS: It's not a choice.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:42, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Given that I'm not looking to become an admin, that just seems like a waste. However, someone who might have an inclination toward that position might want to revert it themselves, if you know what I mean...

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:47, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Coroner
Hello, this is kind of a random question, but do you think a coroner or a coroner's assistant counts as a doctor or a nurse? I added a coroner's assistant, Eddie, to the category of "doctors and nurses". Is that alright? Kajune (talk) 15:02, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Admins
Well, I was trying to not-so-subtly imply in an earlier message that I thought you had such inclinations, and thought you should pursue adminship. As far as an election goes, I don't see why not.

Orion ( T - B -C) 17:46, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

If you don't try it at least once, you'll never know how good (or bad) you are at it.

Orion ( T - B -C) 17:53, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Admin nomination
Hey SeraphLucifer, I am fine, thanks for the kind words. I don't want to be an admin on this wiki, my home wiki is wikipedia - I try to contribute here after every main arc episode, but I simply can't guarantee to fulfill the job properly due to time constraints. I initially wanted to nominate you until I saw the message about your health issues on your page. I would still nominate you, I like your edits, your argumentation is objective and neutral. So get well soon, I would support your adminship. Lambda1 (talk) 18:16, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope you get better soon ! If you don't want to run for adminship, I suggest to inform the wikia spam task force http://vstf.wikia.com/wiki/Report:Vandalism in order to report vandalism. I used it multiple times, they normally react within 15-20 minutes. Lambda1 (talk) 19:27, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * I am active at least weekly. I do have a 40 plus hour fulltime career job so I try to do edit at least some during the week.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:42, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Like when I was in college I was on Wikia sites daily. Can't now. But as I am admin here I try to block trouble makers, fix vandalism, settle arguments etc at least 2-3 times a week.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:38, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Amara's prison
Have a question for ya, one I'll bring up to the admins, too. In last night's episode, All in the Family, Chuck/God said that he'd make a deal with Amara/the Darkness to lock him away if she'd spare his creations. So, here's what I was wondering, do you think he was talking about the prison he trapped her in? If so, we should make a page on it, then. -- Thescarypea, 4:03 AM, May 12th 2016

Magic
Yes I locked the page, till I can make correction later today. Also God Power I think it should stay, as its canon. It's a supernatural power unique to only God and Amara. Also the trivia bit about the Mark of Cain. A. Metatron called it God level magic. B. Many have called it the First Curse.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:33, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

How is God not a deity? A deity is just another word for a god. As both are used for worshipped icons in faiths.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:44, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

That's a contradiction. He isn't of the same species of deities as the pagan gods. However he is a god|deity. Each word is synonymous with each other. Religions were built around him as stated by Amara by the very least. His power never was states to be influence by his worshippers. Pagan gods' powers are stronger when tributes are made to them. So he is independent of tributes. He and Amara also has similar properties to their power. As it awoke a Prophet, and Sam called her fog still God Power.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 16:03, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Zachariah
Michael "fired" him, as in, he lost his job, not his right to enter Heaven. There's a difference. Also, it wasn't explicitly stated that Zachariah was banished from Heaven like Castiel or Lucifer. Even if he was, in that very same episode, he was forgiven for his failure and got his job back, as I quote, "Back in business, boys." Kajune (talk) 07:07, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Death's claims regarding God
I swear, this only happens because it's God. If Death said he could kill his siblings, it'd be on their pages without "possibly"'s or any of that other BS.

Death said he would reap God. There is absolutely no reason to doubt his statement. That's what should be on God's article; not "Death claimed he would reap God", or "Death believed he could die".

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:14, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

God was also wrong on many occasions. It's no reason to throw out everything he said (which we don't, again, because it's God - Death gets one thing wrong because he didn't expect it and everything he ever said is put into question; God gets many things wrong, but it's alright). However, we do know that God can die. He said his sister wouldn't kill him (not that she couldn't; note the difference), and Dean also asked Chuck how death by his sister was supposed to be a winning strategy.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:27, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

God is life, and life means death. I'm pretty sure Death could have reaped God, it was his job. It's like a reaper reaping a human. They end that life's existence. Kajune (talk) 13:33, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

So we're back to this. Should we also remove Amara's supposed ability to destroy and remake the universe? After all, the universe is still standing, so it's just a claim. What about God's supposed ability to kill Amara? Or Amara's supposed ability to kill God? All we really know is that she can wound him in a way that constantly weakens him, but that's not the same. He believed he was dying, but he might have been wrong. Dean's immortality while bearing the Mark, Cain's immortality while bearing the Mark, and so on. Should we remove all of that?

Orion ( T - B -C) 21:48, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

In season 7, Death implies he can kill God when he asks Dean why he should kill God.

Orion ( T - B -C) 08:10, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Reapers are Angels
Hi. This is really a tricky one. I was adamant against the retcon but as the wiki requires commitment to canon, I had no choice but to let it happen. However, at that time, there were official stataments by writer Adam Glass and his friend through twitter where they argued with fans that "reapers ARE angels". What makes this tricky is that the fan backlash was so strong that Glass was forced to delete the tweets, so it's hard for us to validate those now.

What I would suggest is for both sides to bring up proof that would prove or disprove whatever. This means going through the episode where the claim was made. Again, I don't like the retcon--if it could be proven wrong, thank God, but otherwise, it might have to say. FTWinchester (talk) 18:04, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

I, too, wanted to take that line figuratively as there are so many substantial differences between angels and reapers, and I have enumerated them several times already in the wiki. So by all means, go ahead. As long as we don't find contradicting statements.

Also, sorry you feel that there aren't too many admins right now. I felt the same way, too, and brought it to the attention of another admin, but that said admin was averse to it as it was just after 2 previous admins had to be booted out of the wiki. I think you'll find most of the admins were part of the old guard users, who now no longer find the series as engaging, interesting and/or coherent as before. That would explain the reduced activity. I still check in every few days to perform my duty though but I also rarely see the other admins as well. FTWinchester (talk) 23:34, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Like what I said above, if it has been proven with enough canon information, you are very much free to change them yourself. I could do it, but right now I only have a few minutes to spare as I have to check on the Buffy wiki for my admin role there as well. FTWinchester (talk) 22:30, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Chat
Can you meet me in the chat?

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:25, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

I can be there now.

Orion ( T - B -C) 16:26, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Just leave me a message again when you're available. I've been a bit busy lately.

Orion ( T - B -C) 17:40, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Yes.

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:49, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

I've been waiting for the past 15 minutes.

Orion ( T - B -C) 09:09, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

I have things to do, so if you're not there in about 20 minutes, I'll have to leave.

Orion ( T - B -C) 09:36, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

RFA
http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural_Wiki:Requests_for_adminship/EmpyreanSmoke?useskin=oasis

This is how you ask for request for adminship, from the other members.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:15, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

You make the page yourself or can have someone do it for you, if you can't.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:16, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Last Calusa Smiting
Go to the talk page for Smiting to discuss this. I left my opinion there but and asked you to look at the discussion page but you never responded besides to revert my edit.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:24, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

End of Reality
Both God and Amara confirmed that everything ceases to exist if one of them would die. Lambda1 (talk) 09:03, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was in "We Happy Few" not "All in the Family" "Light needs dark, dark needs light. If you blow one of them up, then, I mean... It wouldn't be a good thing. It'd be really not a good thing. Like, end of reality, not good." Also, Amara's statement does in no way contradict what Chuck said. Lambda1 (talk) 09:09, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, even God speculated, but if only one of them would die (without the other dying at the same time), reality would definitely end. Lambda1 (talk) 09:12, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

Re: The Impala (Forum)
Please do not mark The Impala (Forum) for Speedy Deletion. That is our official forum for matters relating to the wiki's procedures with adminship, policy discussions, etc. FTWinchester (talk) 17:45, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! FTWinchester (talk) 19:52, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering if you would give your opinion on my RFA, FTW wanted me to ask other users. My RFA is, here Zane T 69 (talk) 15:32, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Here. The discussion section is where you can support or condemn my efforts. Additional questions is where you can get me to ease any concerns you have. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:39, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Lucifer Morningstar
This is why one should take information presented in a series at face-value, instead of making excuses as to why X doesn't really mean X (like, say, "first" not meaning "first"). I'm sure you saw the users over at the Lucifer wiki saying that "Mom" wasn't actually Lucifer's mom. Lo and behold, she is. I made a couple edits to fix that, one of which has my source for the information (that video). Since you're now an admin there, you can probably figure out what other articles require that tidbit added. I'm not familiar with the articles there.

If you decide to remove it, when it is restated that she is, in fact, Lucifer's mom in season 2, I won't be there to say "I told you so" (this message will immediately come to mind), but I do hope you'll learn to take statements more literally.

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:18, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

I hope you'll one day realize that Amara was also being literal when she said Lucifer was God's first son.

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:34, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

I'll let you in on a little secret: writers almost always assume viewers have the mental capacity of a toddler. That's why there's very little subtlety in most series. Writers usually make it as explicit as humanly possible because they assume we're stupid and won't notice it otherwise. When they do make things subtle, they go unnoticed by most viewers. And then there's the "signs" viewers think are there but aren't, which are just another reason why writers make things explicit. Death (who's almost always used for exposition) spoke plainly about Lucifer, the Leviathans, and Amara. Metatron was explicit about Amara's connection to God and why she had been locked away.

Long story short, writers assume viewers are stupid and, when they want an exposition scene or dialogue, make it literal and explicit.

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:51, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

As for the Reaper scenario, I stand by what I said: if a producer said Reapers are Angels, then that's that. However, there is now evidence in season 11 that that retcon was retconned, namely by Billie stopping time and teleporting, which Angels can no longer do.

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:56, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, noticed your message to Caleb. You can emulate the process on this page if you need to know how to do that, checking edit history, may help. I know I got it wrong the first time. After doing that you basically copy/paste questions from the application, and put your own answers there, maybe your motivations, and reasons.

I hope this helps, and I hope we can both be admins, and work with each other. For the betterment of this wiki.Zane T 69 (talk) 19:23, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Adminship
Hey Seraph, sure. Follow the instructions at Supernatural Wiki:Requests_for_adminship to set up your application. I'll be happy to help if you have any difficulties. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 23:44, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oh wow, you wanna be an administrator? I bet you'll do fabulously. Cheers~ Kajune (talk) 08:45, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

The Darkness's real name is Amara
See my argument here.

Orion ( T - B -C) 08:01, July 1, 2016 (UTC)

First issue.
I discovered I can't edit the "on the wiki" tab, and post a list of staff, a place to report and add a link to the policies. So I propose the creation of a page called the Admin Noticeboard which we can create links too, at the top of our talkpages. Its not my first choice, but it'll work. Opinions? Zane T 69 (talk) 03:54, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Adminship
Congratulations on your successful RfA! You can now do the following:


 * Edit and move fully protected pages
 * Delete, restore, and view deleted revisions of pages and images
 * Protect pages from edits, moves, or creation by non-sysops
 * Block and unblock users and IP addresses and ranges
 * Edit the interface pages in the MediaWiki: namespace
 * View Special:Unwatchedpages

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 00:59, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations on your adminship! I'm looking forward to working with you. May your adminship be just. FTWinchester (talk) 00:39, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

That's quite alright. Get well soon! When you get back, let me know what happened to your research about reapers=/=angels. FTWinchester (talk) 21:44, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

Health
I read you broke your arm. I hope you get better soon~ :)  Kajune (talk) 22:41, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

It's suggestive. I looked and can't find evidence to show that she and Amara are different. She birthed herself from their child. Even Amara said God made all this "after he locked me away". She didn't say after he locked you away. They are one and the same.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 17:45, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Coup
I'm pretty sure I know what country you're from. Okay, if anyone complains about a lack of activity, I'll tell them. Kajune (talk) 21:45, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Uh, dude. I think your getting exessive with removing Title/Aliases. I can understand it when they have a lot of them, but Kevin doesn't. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:47, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ah. I see your point, my bad. While were talking, what do you think about me editing the Community Messages to advertise the Admin Noticeboard? It hasn't been updated since 2015, and that'll put it in peoples minds, so they don't flood our walls with wiki problems. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:58, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Its a great idea, I tried doing it. According a friend I trust it was impossible, I felt bad for saying I could do something, when I couldn't. That's why I created a secondary option, being the Admin Noticeboard I'v been advertising. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:08, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

You removed the Tab listing spells, rituals and objects. Which was useful, though I think you should leave it, let the other admins give their opinions. I was trying to do it, without removing a section, otherwise good work. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:42, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Well, we may need that space to list other Era's of show runners. You may want to create a blog, to test public opinion on the changes, maybe put a poll on it too. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:06, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

An afterthought, we should debate the option, with the wiki. About if the races listed under Characters, and creatures can both be classified as beings. If they can, I think that would fit on WikiNav, and Seasons could be restored. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:23, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

You've been around here longer, do you know how rollbacks are elected/promoted? The Admins I asked don't seem to be answering. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:13, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Do you think Reka12452 would make a good rollback? I'v also been trying to get Kajune to request the rights from Caleb. Zane T 69 (talk) 22:34, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Gabriel is a rollback now btw, I suggested he request the rights. Blaziken hasn't been very active recently. I'l suggest Reka request rollback rights. Do you have any ideas for a Discussion Moderator? I'v been deleting spoilers, we really need someone for just that. Though, IMO the Discussion Mod should be a more senior member, that way if chat becomes more active we can recruit chat mods to assist them, from newer members. Zane T 69 (talk) 00:30, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

Title/Alias
Personally, I think you didn't have to be so strict. I mean, the information once there was pretty informative. Where else are you going to get/put those nicknames? Kajune (talk) 16:01, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

I kind of want to leave them for now, it's not like they're eating too much space, though putting them in the Trivia section would eat up space, since some pages have lots of Trivia information. I also wouldn't recommend creating a page for the nicknames. Kajune (talk) 16:20, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

It's not that I don't get what you mean, but like I said, it would be nice if this wikia had lots of information. If you do see this as the correct decision, then I won't say anything, but to know what someone is called by someone else, I just, personally I like knowing. But seriously, up to you. Kajune (talk) 16:32, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Wiki navigation
Looks great. The character tab was bumped out, though. I would rather we keep that over "Artifacts". FTWinchester (talk) 15:18, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

It works out so that hould be fine. FTWinchester (talk) 11:31, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

They look good. Btw as its 1:21 and I have a 10 am to 7 pm shift today, so I need sleep. But can I get some help with the Magic page? Like a template with an accurate pic? Linking the different types of magic to their character or magic race, etc?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 06:23, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

Anime pics
''(cur | prev) 13:32, July 22, 2016‎ SeraphLucifer (Talk | contribs)‎ m. . (19,197 bytes) (-86)‎. . (→‎Gallery: Don't add animation pic/info on TV series pages.) (undo) (VisualEditor)''

Is this a rule? The Molly McNamara, Missouri Moseley, Mary Winchester pages all have animation captures. That's actually where i got the idea. seemed like a another fun way to promote our fun thing. just curious.Reka12452 (talk) 15:54, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Anime pics
''Since we have pages for the anime show, we should keep contents seperated. It can cause edit wars such as Azazel being an angel in anime but not in the show. People start to insert false information on both pages. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:10, July 23, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer''

uum...okay. Your world, your rules, i guess.Reka12452 (talk) 20:09, July 23, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Reapers and Angels
Also when you get the chance, any luck on your venture about reapers not being angels? I want to work on the clean up on our articles regarding that issue. Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 11:36, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Fantastic work! My opinion is we list them as separate beings again with a disclaimer on both pages' trivia pages about an inconsistency in one episode. FTWinchester (talk) 12:36, August 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Not to be rude, but I spoke to someone who gave me doubts about reapers not being angels. I just want to know your opinion, that's all.


 * Castiel's statement about angels not roaming on Earth for 2,000 is false, since cupids were around, and Jane, the half-blood, had been concieved by an angel about 20 years prior to her appearance. There are the other classes of angels who resided on Earth during this time too, as part of their duty.


 * This person argued that Tessa's true form, which Dean witnessed in season 2, was an illusion. I'm not saying I'm convinced, but they did say the reaper form was a part of Tessa's plan to manipulate Dean. What Dean saw was not a true form. Reapers also seem to be possessing people while roaming the Earth, not while in the Veil, not on the natural plane, as shown Azazel possessed Tessa, and a dead reaper leaves behind a corpse.


 * As for season 9, this person said : "Right before Cas warded himself he killed one of Bart's angels in an abandoned bus. We saw Sam and Dean interviewing the homeless man who had talked to Cas right before he went on that bus and in that scene we can also see the same reaper who'd met Bartholomew standing nearby and listening. The homeless man said Cas had flagged down a truck that was probably headed to Detroit because it said Motor City Meat on it. In the very next scene it was now night (so several hours had passed) and we saw April inviting Cas back to her place. There are reapers stations all over the earth and they can communicate via angel radio. All that male reaper had to do was send a message to the reapers in Detroit to be on the look out for Cas."


 * That's what they said. Personally, I think Metatron's spell only affected angels in Heaven, not anywhere else, which explains Lucifer and the Grigori, and presumably Michael. I also don't remember seeing Billie teleport. And don't forget, all classes of angels are referred collectively as an angel. Castiel is a Seraph, but he only ever calls himself an angel. Lucifer called himself an angel in Free To Be You and Me, and he's an archangel.


 * I'm not trying to criticise you, I just want there to be more clarity before we make such a big change. Okay? Kajune (talk) 14:26, August 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Tessa not having a vessel is kind of confusing. How did Azazel possess someone who wasn't using a vessel? And if a reaper's form is the reaper itself, then they shouldn't leave a corpse behind right? But one reaper in Death Takes A Holiday did.


 * I do agree that reapers can manifest a form, just like angels do in Heaven, demons do in Hell, and Leviathans do in Purgatory. Though this doesn't explain Azazel's possession of Tessa, just saying.


 * As for the meeting, direct confrontation is still a necessity even if one can use angel radio. It's like humans with cell phones. We still meet each other to discuss things. However, I'm not going to push this topic, angel radio may indeed be exclusive to angels and not reapers.


 * As for the wings, The Vessel heavily implied that Lucifer still had his wings. The angels who had their wings torn off, as we saw, were the ones falling from Heaven. How could a spell affect someone stuck in a sealed-tight cage, down in Hell?


 * Sorry, I just had to point these out. There are other plot holes that make rationalizing "angels aren't reapers" difficult. I am glad to participate, but I will repeat that this is difficult. Supernatural isn't known for its consistency in anything. Kajune (talk) 00:17, August 15, 2016 (UTC)



Castiel
Could you please explain to me why we should only note being a vessel if giving permission? I just don't see why it should be on the basis for being willful about it or not. If he was a vessel, it should count, regardless of permission or not. Gabriel456 (talk) 17:00, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Was there some kind of consensus or agreement that I don't know about? Gabriel456 (talk) 17:02, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Contributions
Thanks! i really appreciate the note :)Reka12452 (talk) 20:57, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Addicted
It is bad or good for the wikia, in your opinion, that I keep creating a ton of new pages, which I'm pretty sure some users would simply delete due to the lack of relevance. Should I just stop? Kajune (talk) 14:37, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Nah. You don't have too. I just do it so they know, what they did wrong, and that I do want them to make useful contributions. And get involved in the wiki. I hope your doing fine too, btw. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:36, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
 * I came across your message on Zane's talkpage quite by accident and had to correct this misconception. Yes, a block reason should always be given. This is for accountability to other admins, so they can review improper blocks as necessary, but also because behind an IP address is a potential editor. By blocking them with a reason, you indicate that whatever bit of vandalism they committed was noticed and rectified by the community and this sends them the message that such an act ought not be repeated. This in turn might spur them to make worthwhile contributions in the future. In my experience at least, many established users started out with 'harmless prank edits' on the Wiki before going on to make useful contributions, precisely because they were called out on their behaviour. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 13:00, September 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, just wanted your opinion on this persons project, he created these template pages. I'm personally against it, I dislike how the colors clash, and I find it unnecessary since we list status in a pre-existing infobox. I linked all 3 templates in those three words. Zane T 69 (talk) 15:36, September 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, I was wondering if you could give your opinion on this, when you get a chance. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:08, September 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if you would give your opinion on this matter. Zane T 69 (talk) 17:23, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

onlinedizi . co
hey, do you know a alternative to this streaming site ? old episodes are only with turkish subtitles ;[. only some new episodes are original.

idk how to message you here on the english wiki so i contact you here.

cheers

corny

Future Dean
Hey, can I ask, what's your opinion on a page for Future Dean? I mentioned this in Dean's talk page, what do you think? Kajune (talk) 14:53, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

I agree, though the problem with adding information to Dean's page is that once season 12 is out, Dean's page is going to be stuffed! The loading and saving will be slow too. It's true that there is information about Future Dean on Dean's page, but only from Dean's perspective, so I thought it was alright. We could ignore it, but I wouldn't recommend adding to Dean's page that kind of info. Kajune (talk) 23:01, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I figured I'd message you while your on. Kajune made this blog, its pretty much abandoned, but that's not the point. Do you want me to go ahead and begin moving Sam and Deans history sections for seasons into separate articles? Or do you believe we should wait for greater consensus on the subject?

I'm personally in favor of doing now, for several reasons. First, its hard to get consensus on serious matters here. Second, by the time we do the show will be back on, and the wiki will be a mess. By doing it now we have a chance to let everybody get used to the new locations. Your opinions? Zane T 69 (talk) 21:28, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, maybe for now, loading the page isn't a problem, but what is to say it won't be in the future? We have two more seasons coming and Dean is going to be in about 40 more episodes. I do genuinely believe we need a solution to that. Kajune (talk) 08:49, September 14, 2016 (UTC)

Community Messages
This is probably the wrong place to mention this but, under Recent Wikia Activity, there are these messages on the right, but they are very outdated. I think they need to be fixed. Kajune (talk) 16:02, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

I did some work on it, changed it a little to be more relevant. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:22, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

If it's confirmed info, spoilers can be added but the page needs to list as spoiler content until the episode airs.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 16:57, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Future Content
Hey SeraphLucifer, hope you're doing well too. There's no issue with such articles long as they contain accurate and verifiable information, as opposed to speculation. Articles on future episodes can contain a lot of interesting information that Wiki users may be looking for, and as a Wiki for all things Supernatural, it's generally a boon for us to have as much relevant information as possible. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 02:16, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

Greetings from Vanguard: Portable Infoboxes
Hey, SeraphLucifer!

I noticed you are one of the active admins on the Supernatural Wiki, so I'm leaving this message to notify you of Fandom's portability efforts and how Vanguard can help improve your wiki. :)

Please see my blog post here if you are interested in improving your community's infoboxes - User blog:Monochromatic Bunny/Greetings from Vanguard: Portable Infoboxes.

Thanks! —Monochromatic Bunny | ☎ 18:46, September 30, 2016 (UTC)

Nine days till Season 12.
I was wondering if I can get your opinion, on some possibly pressing matters.

The Sam and Dean pages- Should we move the season histories, 1-11 to subpages to make it easier to load?

Should we have Admins, Rollbacks, and other personnel follow the Admin Noticeboard for faster response time, ans the faster resolution of issues?

Discussion Mods? So far Kajune, and Rafe Adler are the only names that come to mind. We need the blogs policed, to prevent spoilers, flamming, trolling. Your opinions? Zane T 69 (talk) 18:35, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

I don't really have anything else on my mind, I just wanted to get the matters talked out, idea's resolved. Now that you mention Gabriel456, I considered him. My concern was burdening him with too much responsibilities. I think Gabriel, Rafe, and Kajune for Dis. Mods, and give Reka rollback status. Possibly give rollback to Kajune, because he's worked hard, and he's active on blogs.

My idea with having the Noticeboard followed was doing so in advance, that way it's watch for future issues.

Loading Sam's page took under ten seconds for me. This pretty much resolves most issues, if your in agreement, tell me, and we can approach them in regards to the promotions. You and I, can promote people to Dis. Mods, in case your not aware, though you probably are. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:02, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

Develop it? I made it simple, an easy one size fits all report method. At least I thought so. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:33, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

Sure, love to Gabriel456 (talk) 21:05, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

Done. But now it shows me in the wiki's chat, and I'm not actually there. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:27, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

SW Clone Wars, actually. The episode where they go to Mortis, and meet The Ones. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:06, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

Also, I created a help guide for Discussion Mods, most of it was copied/pasted from Community wiki. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:08, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

Discussion Moderators
What is that? Kajune (talk) 06:08, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

Edit Count
I just really like writing. :) Kajune (talk) 00:51, October 7, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, do you mind if I reduce the infinite protection on Omnipotence to a week? It just seems excessive, and I didn't want to just do it, and seem like a tyrant. Zane T 69 (talk) 18:18, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, great. I had just noticed a pattern of infinite protection when you protect pages. I was getting concerned. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:31, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you could help with something. I infinite banned someone earlier, for an unacceptable username, I advised them to apply for a name change or create another account. The Problem is wiki keeps auto selecting "Prevent logged-in user from editing from this IP address." I asked Caleb, thought I'd ask you since you're on. Zane T 69 (talk) 21:25, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

No, sadly I couldn't think of another way. Here is the one I'm having trouble modifying the block on. Zane T 69 (talk) 14:21, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

Chat
Can you meet me in the chat?

Orion ( T - B -C) 19:35, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

Tabber for Ruler of Hell/Heaven
Hey, Seraph! I wanted your opinion. As you can see on Lucifer's page, someone did a tab thing to it and I was wondering if we should do the same to the ruler of hell/heaven pages for the past and present rulers?

Or do you think it'd be unnecessary? Just wanted your opinion before I did anything. Gabriel456 (talk) 14:57, October 15, 2016 (UTC)