User talk:Orion Invictus

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Supernatural Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Pestilence page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Kyle Nin (Talk) 21:20, October 29, 2010

Hey
Sorry I missed your message. I normally don't get on a chat, what you needed to talk about?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:09, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Can you leave me a message about it? I can't get on the chat today.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:58, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Hey
Ok I'll be on in 20 mins. But can only stay on for ten minutes.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 21:32, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Bots
Calebchiam would be the best guy to talk to about these matters. Although I have not come across an explicit rule against bots, I do not have the experience Caleb has. FTWinchester (talk) 03:55, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

If it means the betterment of the wiki, then I'm all for it. Although I've seen that bots have a tendency to overwhelm a Wiki's Activity page. We might probably miss some user's vandalism or major changes on a high traffic page. RaghavD "I'm a CLASSIC man"  05:55, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't know that. RaghavD "I'm a CLASSIC man"  10:07, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Oh and Dean doesn't call Tessa an angel sarcastically. It's point blank. Reapers are angels. Even if was sarcastic, it doesn't change the fact that in SPN, Reapers are angels. I hate it too. But that's canon now. RaghavD "I'm a CLASSIC man"  10:10, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Reaper consensus
According to our wikia policy Supernatural Wiki:Consensus, silence is the weakest for of consensus.

"In some cases, consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident. One can find out whether an edit has consensus when it sticks, is built upon by others, and most importantly when it is used or referred to by others. However, in discussions regarding policy change, silence may not necessarily imply consent."

As nobody complained about it for over a year, the current consensus is that reapers are angels. You might want to re- start the discussion and bring your arguements into the debate. Lambda1 (talk) 11:36, January 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * There were two groups, one supporting that reapers are angels, and another one who were against this classification of reapers. http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Angels#Angels_and_reapers.3F The conversation did not only took place on the reapers page. However, as nobody complained about it for over a year, that's the current consensus. Feel free to bring in your arguments, that might leed to a more profound consensus. Lambda1 (talk) 11:47, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Reapers + Retcons
Hey, man. Don't get me wrong. Really. I hate the retcons as much as you do. But the whole point of this wiki is to stick to canon. Everything else we want to think otherwise we have to keep in out blogs (that's why I have many blogs full of rants). I'm just upholding the wiki's rules. FTWinchester (talk) 13:13, January 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Like I said on the Reapers talk page, I have no desire to impose my views or preferences on any articles. I had reason to doubt Glass's statement's validity. Some of those reasons still exist, but the writers decide everything on the show; not us (fans). What they say goes.


 * Orion ( T - B -C) 13:17, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * I did have my doubts as well, and I really wish that the fan response was double or even triple so that they could have realized how huge the mistake they did. FTWinchester (talk) 13:19, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * I wish writers in general were as well-versed in their work as the fans. It's like they don't even watch their own shows.
 * Orion ( T - B -C) 13:22, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Not different at all, in fact what i was trying to say is that I completely agree with you. By all means if you find any speculation especially statements using words like possibly or most likely, remove it. I've been doing it for years. If anyone gives you trouble go to the talk page and then the admins if it continues to be a problem. Bkshadows (talk)

Re:Bot request
Hi. Just letting you know I've seen your message, and I'll need a while to check out the specs of this request - currently caught up in other matters. Thanks for your work! Calebchiam Talk 04:13, January 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, could you state exactly what kind of tasks you would like to automate using the bot? Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 14:42, January 31, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, I've handled bot requests so I'm aware of this actually. I just wanted to know what tasks you had in mind. Bot account username? I'll go ahead and grant you the rights. Calebchiam Talk 03:38, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Right, I'd forgotten that the special allowances 'coats get on the RuneScape Wiki aren't universal. In any case, not that I speak on behalf of Supernatural Wiki, but I don't think there'll be any opposition to your running a bot for said tasks. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 04:40, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Forum:The Impala Calebchiam Talk 04:43, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Speculation
First, I appreciate your dedication to upholding what is canon. Second, i would like to ask if you could tell me which admin was that?

As for the actual speculation on articles--I am actively trying to change and remove the speculations here. Even before I was an admin, I have been digging up old debates and challenging falsely--"established" information in the articles if I thought it was not supported by canon.

I have been advocating the use of reference tags and citations to ensure our articles are supported by canon and to avoid adding fan speculation. I have also suggested several times in many talk pgaes how to phrase character claims that are dubious or are seemingly contradicted by other parts of the canon.

What you must understand is that not only is it difficult for just the admins to check and recheck every article we have--we also have other functions to carry out. For example, I am also caught up in categorizing articles, fixing broken links, orphan pages, dead ends, organizing templates, etc. It's overwhelming for me to perform my admin duties on top of being an article contributor. And like I said, my admin duties are not limited to just checking articles for speculation. I can not change this all by myself. I need the help of other admins and the community. FTWinchester (talk) 23:31, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Blaziken, you left a link on my talk page, as I understood its about removing speculations right? Couldn't check much... Can you explain me? I'd like to be helpful. SeraphLucifer (talk) 14:20, February 8, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I am willing to help then SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:31, February 8, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Except there is no evidence to say the Ark was made before the flood. So listing the trivia that Hands of God were thought unlikely, to survive the flood or the 20th century isn't speculation. Its what Lucifer said. Plus listing the Ark made before the flood when it wasn't specific on which were made when, is speculation. Because of the 20th Century reference. If Lucifer said ONLY the flood, than the Ark could have only been made before the flood.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 13:49, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Interpreting facts to support your own conclusions is just shy of speculations. Write it as most seemed to predate the flood, but leaves some from for a possiblity that some might have been made after it. Lucifer's quote wasn't exact.... like a lot of this series. But he didn't say something like this. I didn't think any had survived the flood. This leaves unbias towards both conclusions.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 15:55, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Castiel said that only Lucifer could time travel thus implying that time travel required wings.Also Tamiel was able to teleport which needs wings so he should at least be listed as having wings.For the rest of the angels and archangels you are probably right ,we should wait and see.Kkapoios (talk) 17:44, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Apportation
Lucifer Apported Sam, Dean, and Castiel in the temp cage with him. Darchangel 66-The Light who subdues the Darkness (talk) 21:09, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Rowena did sabotage the spell, so that Lucifer could use his powers. Hell is not Lucifer's domain in the sense that it grants him excess power. God was the one who created Hell, and he created it to serve as a prison. It is Lucifer's domain now in the sense that he is ruling over it, but he doesn't have any extra abilities there. Its not that Lucifer doesn't trust the demons, he just views them as servants (said so by Crowley), and so of course he would have them run his arrunds for him. Darchangel 66-The Light who subdues the Darkness (talk) 22:21, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

You made your point, but even the series cast said I (Think) they drew upon the first day of creation. It bares some similarities to that God separated the Darkness from the Light. Like I said I will allow that it as long as they don't say the writers didused Genesis. They can say the War with the Darkness draws some similarities to the first day to Genesis. Also I have been for years saying bias be taken out of articles. Ask many people here, plus I was the one that put which you took away God's need to use Amara to facilitate creation. Now with the Hand of God maybe I did assume they would follow the real-world time-line of biblical items. But I admit that and corrected myself. But, I repeat Trivia Sections can allow miscellaneous information.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 23:19, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: User with false info
Thanks for letting me know. The activity, while frowned upon, only happened twice and has not happened again the past 6 days. A warning was issued but if it continues, I will drop a temporary ban. FTWinchester (talk) 13:33, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Ok I believe Supernatural uses Kabbalah to state how creation began.

•Ein is translated as null, void, or nothingness, and corresponds to 0. (Amara) Instead of Nothingness they used the Synonyms form Darkness is associated with.

•Ein Sof is translated as infinity, and corresponds to 00, and is the emanator of 10 Sephirot. (God) the appearance of the Light.

•Ein Sof Ohr is translated as infinite light, and corresponds to 000. (Archangels) God's Light.

•Ein caused Ein Sof, and Ein Sof begot Ein Sof Ohr. The creation of the world.

Now that is still theory. However the user isn't stating contradictions in their opinion. It's similarity. It's similar to parts of the Genesis story. But as long as it doesn't contradict or is stated in the series' canon info I will allow it. Trivia section are for trivia things, or miscellaneous. Now if in trivia they state, something like. "Genesis was accurate in describing the creation of the world." Than that is moving past trivia. This is my decision as of now. Also, I didn't want to put back into it property place in the paragraph. In the trivia section. Only trivia that is part of the page or is similar can be allowed.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 23:31, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

You asked to defer to my judgement. I see no harm in this. Trivia sections are details, considerations, or pieces of information of little importance or value by definition. They are the proper place on the articles to allow things like this. Like even if the Darkness in the Bible is credited as the night. (Which some scholars state it wasn't the night but the form of the world before God gave it form.) But that is a religion translation debate. I think it can stay. But inform the user if you want, it has to stay to where it falls under being similar. And not to state that these trivia details are true. Some trivia details are facts. That aren't worth putting into the main articles paragraphs.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:27, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Ban request
Done and done. Thank you for your participation. By the way, Emboar is aesthetically better than Blaziken. FTWinchester (talk) 21:52, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah notifications. I was in a hurry. In the context, it effectively required a ban. But yeah. Emboar >>> Blaziken. LMAO. FTWinchester (talk) 22:06, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Metatron
Metatron said God used The Darkness to implement creation. "The truth? It would make the bible thumper heads explode. I mean they want their God to be a finger snapping all powerful creator you know. They want magic, Mary Poppins. But what he did... creation that took work took sacrifice. In order to create the world God had to give up the other thing he had ever known. He had to betray and sacrifice his only kin. The Darkness his sister. This isn't a grammar issue, Metatron confirmed this until contradicting inform us differently.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:40, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Gabriel
Hey Blaziken, can I have your opinions about Gabriel's status? SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:35, March 22, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re Gabriel
Thank you for your opinions... SeraphLucifer (talk) 12:01, March 25, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re.Re Metatron
Interpreting facts to support your own conclusions is no different than speculation. Metatron's quote was direct. "In order to create the world God had to give up the only thing he had ever known. He had to betray and sacrifice his only kin. The Darkness his sister. Now how she was used to facilitate creation is unknown, but she was used in making Creation.

P.S. Are you asking me to lock those pages to prevent non logged in users from editing?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 23:26, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I never said they can't create on their own power. But to create the World|Creation|Universe however you want to name it God had to sacrifice Amara in someway. I'll lock those pages after I leave work at 8.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 23:43, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Power
Hello. I'm just here to ask a question. Where does it say Amara is equal to God in power? Did she say it? Or was it Lucifer? Kajune (talk) 17:27, April 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * She said she was more powerful than God, Lucifer said she was equal to God, and the lore supports her claim (she was unfazed by a Hand of God-powered Lucifer, and God was only able to defeat her with the archangels). However, I doubt it'll say on her page that she's more powerful than God unless it comes from God himself.


 * Orion ( T - B -C) 17:35, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Horsemen
Hey Blaziken, hope you are doing fine, can you check Horseman pages, I feel like they contain speculation, I will check too but your help would be useful. SeraphLucifer (talk) 10:50, May 1, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re:Horsemen
Thank you, nice work! SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:39, May 1, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

A small favor
Hey Blaziken, hope your fine... I won't be here for few days maybe. I got a serious injury... I'd be happy if you can check the witch page since NoahAquarius is corrupting the page. Thank you... SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:34, May 5, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Demon Soul
A cambion is technically a demon because it is half human and half demon. Do us all a favor and wqtch season 5 episode 6 I Believe The Children Are Our Future. Castiel makes it perfectly clear. User:The Inner Hate (User Talk:The Inner Hate) 1:53 PM May 6th 2016.

Whore of Babylon
Eve was dead but she returned. How else would they know exactly how to kill her? The whore might come back.User:The Inner Hate (User Talk:The Inner Hate) 2:15 PM May 6th 2016.

God's Sexual choice
Although you are right, don't bother adding he is bisexual Blaziken. That contributer will revert it. Wait for admins to intervene. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:39, May 7, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Well, all I can say is good luck and have fun. Good for your edit number tho... :) SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:45, May 7, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I can't make them more active. I can ask if they at least make a more active attempt to check on things here. I try to at least come once or twice a week, also I locked the God page. Now about Nign-Omniscience. Omniscience is all knowing or perfect knowledge since God isn't all knowing he has a separate awareness over creation. Like his mind can be anywhere and everywhere, as an example. If he was Omniscient he would know already everything that will happen. Since he doesn't he need or has the power to view creation.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 17:59, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

I can't make admins not a head admin. Only Cal or wikia staff can make new admins.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 18:46, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Admin nomination
I suppose we need another admin, there should be an sysop here who is around on a daily basis to enforce the SPN wikia policies. I once declined my nomination back in December 2015, since there are often weeks I can't be around. But by '''Any registered user (no I.P. addresses) may nominate another registered user (again - no I.P. addresses) for administrative or forumadmin privileges. Self-nominating is allowed, but may be frowned upon depending on the case. Potential candidates may inform other users of their desire to be given permissions of a group if they wish to avoid self-nominating. Candidates for bureaucracy must already be sysops. Bureaucratship is usually granted only if there is a need for a new bureaucrat.''' http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/SW:RFA I nominate you for adminship. Lambda1 (talk) 16:42, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * I am well aware how you handle speculation and fan theories. I am a strong supporter of keeping all fan theories out of the articles and will keep suggesting to other editors to use ref tags for every edit. But as an admin you are simply an enforcer of the wiki's rules, I think you are able to remain objective even if you don't agree on some topic (Lucifer- Michael age). Maybe I am wrong, but it is evident that we need one more admin. Lambda1 (talk) 18:25, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the writers don't tend to answer questions on twitter. We have been there before:
 * http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Lambda1/EmpyreanSmoke_Admin_right_removal_and_infinite_ban_(Closed) I am actually aware that we did the whole Michael/ Lucifer thing not completely as we were supposed to (http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural_Wiki:Consensus). By the wikis rules, the status quo should have remained until we make consensus. Twilight acted as he was supposed by locking the pages, unfortunately he isn't that often online here. As long as you simply act as an enforcer of the rules (even if you would don't agree with each one), you wouldn't be a bad admin. Lambda1 (talk) 18:43, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, it's common practise to use ref tags. This ensures that every info can quickly be verified. I don't always remember in which episode something had been stated, ref tags haelp a lot on this. Lambda1 (talk) 18:49, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I am not sure if it is possible to change the policies with the majority, since http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural_Wiki:Supernatural_Wiki_is_not...#..._a_democracy
 * I don't always remember every fact, especially when it comes to things out of my favorite characters or the characters commonly appearing in the show. It also matters if I want to watch the scene again. I recently did not know in which episode they tried to freeze Lucifer with the Colt. With the proper references on the Lucifer page, I quickly found out that this happened in "Abandon all Hope". Without the ref tags, this would have been a lot more time consuming. Lambda1 (talk) 19:05, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * But majority votes are also prone to manipulation. If an user creates multiple accounts (using VPN/ Tor to hide his IP) he can manipulate those votes. I would only support it, if votes were limited to longer registered users with a minimum edit count of 500 or so. It's similar on wikipedia. Also, the majority is not always right. I can guarantee you that most people would vote that Michael is older than Lucifer. (Which I also think - but it's disputed. It's just an example, I dont want to restart this debatte ).Lambda1 (talk) 19:22, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

How do you guarantee that a user isn't tunneling through TOR or a server ? You can log his user agent/ screen resolution and running web apps but this can be manipulated as well. There is no failsafe way to ensure that an user is gaming the system. Keep in mind that all the data commited by the client to the wikia server can be controlled from the clients side. You can use advanced methods like mouse movement pattern recognition, but this isn't completely accurate either. I agree on that other part though. Lambda1 (talk) 19:38, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I suppose that should work. Lambda1 (talk) 19:50, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Admins
Hey Blaziken. What do you think about an current admin election? Which users are capable of being an admin from your point of view? SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:43, May 9, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re:Admins
Thank you Blaziken but I don't think I'd be a good admin. I'd just ban a lot of people. Also I have 0 information about being an admin... Also my Eng's fine but sometimes I can't understand referances... :) SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:50, May 9, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Sorry
Im sorry about being rude before. But it is common sence for Bela to be a demon. As we all know, the fans were informed about the creation of demons from Ruby, that they are in fact tortured human souls, unless they have the mark of cain as human, and die. Or in Lilith's case, Lucifer immiddietely transforms them

Re: Fan Fiction
Deleted. Thanks for your vigilance. Have you seen the new Pokemon starters, by the way? FTWinchester (talk) 11:31, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Shame. Alright, never mind then. Just hit my talk page if you find any more anomalies I can help with. FTWinchester (talk) 11:49, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

The Morning Star
Actually Crowley did refer to Lucifer as the Morning Star in an earlier season about how he would wipe out demons after humans. Said "When the Morning Star cleans house we're next" or something like that. Also when Sam was hallucinating Dean as Lucifer in season 7, when he walked into an abandoned factory it had a sign saying Morning Star something. 17:48, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Re: The Morning Star
It's all good. I just wanted to clear up any confusion on our parts lol. Thanks. 17:57, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

lucifer retcon
hey blaziken,

nice point you make concerning the lucifer retcon. it would be valid as fuck, if amara hadn't used figurative language before... IF... 11x06 amara said, she was going to "settle a score... the oldest score", which is, you might have guessed it already, a figurative expression, thus making her use figurative language. so please tell me again how "first son" couldn't have been meant figuratively :)Axealaska (talk) 01:27, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Re: lucifer retcon
so if you say "with lucifer not being god's favorite and all that", amara's first statement calling lucifer god's favorite would indeed be wrong. however, i think considering both statements, luifer being his favorite and being the first son, as rhetorical device, it all makes perfect sense. describing the same thing twice with different words is a legitimate rhetorical device, emphasizing luficer's significant role,  and i think it's not too complicated to be used by amara. Axealaska (talk) 10:18, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Death's claim
Death also said that he could last forever but he died. According to him, he can kill God but it isn't certain yet. That is why I made it possibly. Metatron says that he doesn't know the names of people but he also knows that he is aware of everything. I think we should re-arrange it as you wrote. Also Darkness never said that he will kill her, even God said she won't kill me, cage me. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:22, May 16, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

GABRIEL snapping his fingers kill her with ease, and he pretended did not resist the spell, and the probability he could easily pull it off , the blood he wanted to take in the manual to WAS NOT ITS CONFLICT

Re:Chat
Hey, I am online now. SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:41, May 18, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer