User blog comment:Kajune/SPN's redeemed antagonists/@comment-1031724-20160604050455/@comment-1975828-20160607100348

I totally agree with you, Blaziken, that the Mark is what led Lucifer to rebel. However, is it still okay to blame everything Lucifer has done since on the Mark, when the Mark was removed from him for eons? He threw a mega-temper tantrum and slaughtered anyone just for his personal satisfaction. He continues to kill in all of his appearances (even hallucination, target: Sam) and yet, he doesn't even say sorry.

Like you said, he and Crowley are quite beyond forgivable. Maybe if they tried to apologize, which they may never do, maybe they could be redeemed.

Indeed, Crowley tortures for fun. In one episode, he casually threw darts at a guy's chest. He murdered Noel despite their deal, which, to me, sounds like Crowley is a seriously evil guy.

I like both characters, just so you know.