User blog comment:ImperiexSeed/The oldest being, archangel or leviathan?/@comment-168.169.25.92-20151106013500/@comment-5619706-20151106172755

You weren't addressing my arguments properly at all. You have conveniently avoided answering how and why "4 archangels" somehow are excluded from "the entire petri dish" and the "the whole aquarium". Or why other creatures (Eve) and other angels themselves not from a "regular" angel class (Naomi, Ion) still use the term as an umbrella term for anything angelic.

While "devouring" is a key characteristic of the leviathan, they have been shown to kill other beings with methods different from consuming. Yes, angelic beings are massive in heaven, as are we to bacteria and virus. Does that mean we cannot succumb to something smaller than us?

Conversing with God is off tangent here. And we now know that claim is not true. Metatron was in God's audience. Is he older than the rest of the non-archangels? Atropos, a pagan deity, was given a role by God herself (6.17--I had a job. God gave me a job.) Do you know her age? God sends the inspired word through prophets. Are they older than regular angels? What has "being able to talk to God" got to do with age? What kind of logic is that? The leviathan were sealed off entirely because of their nature. You think God would actually converse with them?

About Raphael vs. God/Soulstiel, it's not a clear precedent in this case. Just because species A is weak to species B doesn't mean the abilities of species A are invalidated, nor does it mean species B suddenly can perform the powers of species A to a greater extent. Eve was stronger than Castiel. Does this mean Castiel is not powerful in his own right? Absolutely not. Does this mean Eve can use the white light? No. Castiel still has an array of formidable powers the Eve doesn't--Castiel just happens to be weak to Eve. Hunters can trap and kill demons, angels, reapers. Does this mean humans now suddenly have access to all the powers of those supernatural beings? No. Does this mean those three beings/races are weak simply because they could be killed by a lesser being? No. The phoenix ash could kill Eve. Does this make the phoenix absolutely more powerful than Eve? No. Because the phoenix could not make new monsters nor unplug the powers of an angel nor alter the soul of a human being enough to damn it into another dimension. The phoeix just happens to be a weakness. That's all to it.

Instead of looking at this as "A is stronger than B", look at it as "A could kill B".