Talk:Knights of Hell

Should the colt and angel killing knife be added as weaknesses? I suggest they should.

never shown or mentioned, so no real grounds to add them, its like why we don't include leviathans and death on every page, it either goes without saying or it has no grounds. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:50, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm.... Well, the Colt, definitely, and an Angel-Killing blade should be able to kill one. The Colt, being a weapon that can kill anything but Lucifer and four other, powerful Creations. And with the Angel-killing blade, it would depend on how the blade killed the demon. For instance, if the blade, although unlikely, killed the demon in the exact fashion as the Knife, than it would reason that it would be as ineffective as the knife. But, seeing as it's an Angelic weapon, it likely has a greater effect. Goes without saying - well, okay - General, but Salt, Holy Water, etc go without saying, yet we include than on demon pages. Bottom line, the Colt can kill a Knight-of-Hell, and an Angel-Killing blade may or may not be able to. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:12 PM, February 7th 2012

Holy Fire.
How do we know that Sam actually used Holy Oil on Abaddon and not regular flammable oil or gasoline? Castiel did say the oil was rare. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 03:13, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * The word "rare" was used, yes, but this weapon has been used in seven episodes. And I don't think Cas teleports every time the boys need some, so it can't be that rare. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:27 PM, May 24th 2013


 * Still, I would think they used up that entire jug we saw Castiel bring to capture Raphael. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 16:30, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * We need to take one thing into account: demons' vessels. Unlike Angels' vessels, demonic meatsuits can be penetrated and not repaired. So analogically, regular fire could burn a demon's vessel. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:35 PM, May 24th 2013


 * Which I believe as well, so we can't really put Holy Fire/Oil as the thing that set Abaddon on fire. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:45, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * True but demons can't be hurt by conventional methods, as such normal fire can't hurt demons, it might damage there meat suit, but it won't hurt them (Azazel standing in a burning building in Salvation). While Abaddon was clearly screaming in agony, just as Meg did in Abaddon all Hope..., therefore it had to be holy oil. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:06, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * The demonic being inside isn't hurt by something like fire, but the corporeal embodiment it uses would be. But also, as said in "Torn and Frayed", in possession, demons possess every part of the person's body. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:49 PM, May 24th 2013
 * I know, but Abaddon was clearly screaming in agony, if it wasn't painful she wouldn't have had to leave the body, she could simply have continued to attack or else put the fire out. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:13, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * She was audibly screaming in agony, and I myself thought it was Holy Fire. But, I was engaging L4D2 Ellis in a conversation. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:28 PM, May 24th 2013
 * Okay, I didn't think you would mind if I joined in. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:31, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. Comment. :) -- ImperiexSeed, 3:32 PM, May 24th 2013


 * I think demons can be hurt by conventional methods, they're just a lot more resilient to it. Regular fire should still hurt them, just not kill them. Holy Oil would probably be much worse. As for Azazel standing in a burning building, was he actually on fire like Abaddon was? Also adding, if he started the fire, he should be immune to his own creation. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 19:52, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * No they can't, in multiple episodes they get shot, stabbed, cut open, blasted, fall great hights and cracked. Only there specific weaknesses can hurt them (holy water, salt etc) they still react to force, but this understandable as the sensations of touch and pain are quite different. No, Holy oil wouldn't as it was already tried upon Meg, she was pulled into it, and still managed to use the same vessel to the end. He might no actually be on fire, but are you honestly telling me you wouldn't burn if you stood in a burning building? And no, why should he be? He's still wearing a mortal host, unless he bended the fire around him, which seems an unecessary waste of energy, plus he would still be burt by the heat. Sam even states in Good God, Y'all Demons are immune to heat and cold. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:17, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, meaning that they're still technically getting hurt. They're just not as affected by it as humans are.
 * I would burn, but a person being possessed by a demon wouldn't so easily. And I wouldn't find bending fire to keep my host in shape to be an unneccesary waste of energy. Beats having to find another one.
 * Yeah, the demons are immune to head and cold, nothing about their meat suits. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 21:27, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, actually the sensations of pain and touch are much more different then most people give them credit for being, there even managed by different sensations of the brain. Let me put this way, even if you didn't feel pain, if someone clobbered you in the face, it would knock you backwards. Why not? They still get damaged, the demons simply don't feel pain and are able to adjust much better, as its not there bodies, simply the one there wearing. Even if you did, the heat from the fire would still burn your body, besides Azazel quickly abanddoned that body and took Johns (granted he couldn't have know he would, but still it still seems a bit of waste.) General MGD 109 (talk) 21:31, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * If I may just say that to be honest, it really never occurred to me that what was used was Holy Fire. I heard Sam mutttering something but I don't recall that enchantment (if it was), and I didn't hear it properly. My first thought was actually some spell. I'm not saying it is absolutely not holy fire--I just didn't get much evidence. If I could ask for those who believe it was holy fire please point out evidence, please? Thanks. FTWinchester (talk) 01:46, May 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think all Sam said was that he loved Abaddon's suit. Meaning he was gonna set Josie on fire. He wanted Abaddon to flee the scene.  L4D2 Ellis (talk) 02:26, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm Sorry FTWinchester I thought that was what I had been doing. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:27, May 25, 2013 (UTC)