Talk:The Darkness

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-God so Darkness is supposed to be Anti-God right? The-Real-Ironwill (talk)

Not necessary. It is the Darkness that comprised reality before creation or even God existed. And as it took more than just himself to beat it, shows that The Darkness isn't below God like most Anti-Gods are.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:01, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Could it be that the Darkness managed to infect the leviathans, and that's why the leviathans consume everything in their path? Btw, can't sign in from where I am, so I'll just sign it manually.

-Bryan Tassava

Horsemen and the Darkness might have link to each other.It is said God didn't create the Horsemen.There is a high chance Darkness is the source of these entities because all of them consist dark aspects like Darkness itself

The-Real-Ironwill - May 26 2015 / GMT+2 18:00


 * Hmmm. That could work, but I don't think it's the case. I would say the Horsemen sprung into existence at the very moment of the introduction of their attribute to the universe. So, Death, then Famine, then War, and then Pestilence. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:06 AM, May 26th 2015

This might explain why Lucifer was so evil, he was just corrupted by the Darkness by having the Mark of Cain.

Do you think destruction of Mark of Cain has a chance to bring Lucifer back to his factory settings? Becoming a good angel again?

The-Real-Ironwill May 27th 2015 19:56(GMT+2)

It seems pretty similar in concept to the Primordial Darkness, an unfathomably powerful entity from DC Comics which was introduced in Swamp Thing. It existed before the dawn of Creation but was banished from the rest of existence by God when the multiverse was created. When it finally entered reality, not even the combined might of the archangels, the demons (Lucifer included) and various other supernatural entities could slow it down, and the entirety of existence was threatened.

Ultimately, it was revealed that the Darkness wasn't truly evil, and had actually been the same entity as God before they split, and it was just trying to understand the meaning of its existence. Upon being informed by Swamp Thing that Light and Darkness were two sides of the same coin and meant to coexist, it reached out towards Heaven and God responded in kind, and they ended up becoming one again.

Lafiel1980 (talk) 20:50, May 29, 2015 (UTC)Lafiel1980

amortality and immortality are not the same thing,you can search for it online...

The-Real-Ironwill

I know what they mean, immortality mean can't die amortality means can't die because it never was alive. However, can you say with complete assurance that the darkness isn't alive at all? Death called it amoral meaning indifferent and a force similar to himself which is a force/concept. Immortality is just a rough term we use here than means can't die. We list the requirements of the immortality.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:10, June 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Who confirmed that The Darkness is immortal? I thought it was an (un)written rule on any wikia, that no article should contain "crystal ball" facts (i.e. speculation). I just finished watching the Season 10 finale and don't recall The Darkness being defined as immortal. God could have just sealed it, because he wanted to allow his angels a choice. The agenda possiblities of omniscient beings are endless, so I'd suggest removing The Darkness as an immortal character, at least until it's officially confirmed. Achiox 04:46, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Can an admin please unlock this page? I don't think anyone will screw with it anymore, and it could be edited. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:41, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

It will stay as a immortal character as it predates God and it was locked away for with the hope of forever. If it would natural die off that why keep it sealed. God could have just waited before beginning Creation. Now if the series says it completely lacks immortality aka eternal youth/agelessness and invulnerability I will change it myself.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 12:54, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

This... thing reminds me of concepts of primordial darkness like there were in Mayan beliefs. It's chaos and it's destructive not because it's necessarily evil - despite looking that way from our perspective - but simply because that's what it does. Like a flood that drowns people, animals and plants, I doubt the Darkness has agency or awareness (or at least I hope it doesn't). Depending on where they go with this, the Darkness could be a genuine Lovecraftian entity of amoral chaos and mindless destruction (not really malevolent, but unfeeling and unaware, a force of nature; basically what I hoped the Leviathans would be, when they ultimately turned out to be nothing like that). I wonder how beings of order like God came into existence in the first place. What would've triggered that? He and his angels in particular are the orderly, sometimes even stagnant antithesis to the sort of dynamic, destructive and chaotic thing this is. I wonder what the connection between it and demons is exactly. At least visually, they are extremely similar. But demons - while they cause havoc - aren't really all that chaotic in a lot of instances we've witnessed. And they obviously have agency. Where the Darkness probably couldn't really be called evil, demons can. I hope I'm at least partially right on where they're going with this, because if the Darkness just becomes the next group of adversaries pretending to be humans, I'll be really disappointed with the waste of potential for a truly new and utterly different foe.

95.113.133.124 16:49, July 6, 2015 (UTC)Flo

Even the cast and crew interview stated a female pronoun to call the Darkness. But, it could have been a neutral way as many forces of nature are called she or her ( storms, the sea.) So list in the trivia that their was an interview calling the Darkness as a she. This way it keeps spoiler and bias content out. &#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 01:49, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Dabb, one of the writers of the show, said that the Darkness is a lady and is gonna have a hot body. Now while it can't put on articles as such because it hasn't been confirmed yet, it is pretty obvious that Amara, having an acid tongue and being seductively beautiful, is going to be the Darkness. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:34 AM, July 14th 2015

Because who is to say they won't change their minds. Beside, Seed according to the wikia policies you put into place when you were an admin, no spoiler content on pages. &#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:05, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Death described the Darkness as amoral, not immoral, and so it isn't really correct to describe it as evil. 81.137.222.150 09:01, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'm gonna add some information on the Darkness based on this episode.

Corruption
Should we list corruption to her powers? She infected/corrupted humans into rapid monsters. As well as corrupts and binds to anyway that holds the mark. Even if freed from it, She said she was connected to him.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 04:37, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think it is safe to assume, that she caused the illness of these people. That dark substance that flowed out of the body of the women who was killed by Sam really reminded me on Leviathans. I would say it is either corruption by Biokinesis or corruption by soul manipulation, however the latter should not cause dark bleeding. I think we are close to know why Leviathans are that flawed. Lambda1 (talk) 05:02, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it should be like an after affect, until we know how she uses it. Like Corrupting Presence, as we don't know foresure, if she willingly did that or if the release of her did that to those unlucky to be touched by the Darkness. Also, I think it's safe to assume, that Death might have witnessed the original War of the Darkness. He just not have met her personally. And only was told of what she was, by God as they had some kind of acquaintance with each other.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 06:39, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should wait until next episode airs, to gain more information on that matter. If Death was not around during the war against The Darkness, it would make him younger than the archangels. Another option would be that he came somewhere inside The Darkness into existence without Amara recognized it. On the other hand, maybe she just lies, spreads mistrust, chaos and manipulates Dean, because well - she is The Darkness. Lambda1 (talk) 20:21, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I just think Death had no personal dealings with the Darkness. He only knows of what God maybe have told him.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:51, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Baby Amara
You all saw it, didn't you? The baby Dean saved is called Amara and has the Mark of Cain. Maybe that baby born at the time as the Darkness was released and it reincarnated in Amara or something like that. (Rakoon1 (talk) 08:59, October 8, 2015 (UTC))

I agree, it seems obvious that the baby is the darkness reincarnated as a human, she was born right when the darkness was released. Hiding as a sweet innocent child is the perfect disguise. I believe she only appeared to Dean as a beautiful woman to manipulate him. That speech about how Dean could never harm her makes me think, Dean will probably try and protect the baby through out the course of the season. I have a feeling some how the baby will probably end up rapidly ageing and end up as the beautiful woman Dean spoke to. Only then, will Dean come to terms with the fact that they need to destroy her. As long as she's a young child, both Winchesters will probably do nothing but try to protect her.

Anyway Jeremy Carver said we should think of this episode and the next one as a big mystery. Cant wait to find out more next week! (Bkshadows (talk)


 * I don't think they would protect her if they know that she is The Darkness. As far as we know, she can take any physical appearance she wishes. (Lambda1) 95.112.212.157 21:35, October 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Remember 11/02 trailer,Crowley sensed baby's power outside the building.Archangels sensed her presence inside the cage in Hell.That means God already knows.The real problem is Dean.If she has done that to a baby,she can turn Dean into nuclear(it is obvious she is able to grant powers to others)She already started poisoning his mind. Ironwill (talk) UTC 07:23 PM 10/12/2015

She has a distributed mind/consciousness and I think she could even take the form of a star is she wanted to. The baby itself is probably just one piece of her. Dean is probably somehow involved in the creation of that baby, the flashbacks gave some hints... Lambda1 (talk) 20:26, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Those are your opinions and shouldn't be reflected in the article. All we know for now is that the darkness is the woman that spoke to Dean. Whatever connection the baby with the mark has will be revealed at a later date. It could be the baby is needed to seal away the darkness but we don't know. Until we do, there is no point shoving your baseless opinions into the article.

It is implied, no wiki is limited to include only what is directly mentioned in the show, sorry, but that would make this wiki really poor.

Someone add disease manipulation or creation to this list

Misinterpretation

There's something off about one of the powers listed; the Darkness is not immortal. To be immortal implies a living being that cannot be killed in any way. The Darkness is not a living being. It's power is called AMORTALITY; it cannot be killed because it was never alive to begin with.

Master-of-Spells (talk) 03:19, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Immortality is listed on both the God and Death pages, yet God has been stated to be able to die and Death is already dead. So, no being on the show is technically immortal.

As for the Darkness, how do we know it's amortal? How do we know it's not, or has never been technically alive?

Toe Knee 17 (talk) 00:30, October 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Darkness is older than Death, would the term "Dying" and therefore mortality be applicable to The Darkness, Death would be as old as The Darkness. Lambda1 (talk) 00:52, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware we knew who was oldest for definite. God and Death can't remember who's older between them, yet Death clearly remembers the war between God and The Darkness, so the three of them must have existed for an incalculable amount of time before the war even began. Toe Knee 17 (talk) 20:41, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Soul eating
Amara has the power to absorb souls and convert it into energy to growCalvincambridge30 (talk) 02:20, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Famine reincarnation? Ironwill(talk) 10/15/2015 07:43 AM(UTC)

I don't think Amara has the ability to Shapeshift without the use of souls so the description is inaccurate.73.141.35.196 15:24, October 15, 2015 (UTC)