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Archangels vs Leviathans

 * "Castiel and Death claimed that the Levithans could "chomp the ENTIRE aquarium". They also both said that the Leviathans predate, and can kill angels. Archangels are part of this "aquarium", and are themselves a type of angel. It has been confirmed by Death, Castiel, and others that Levithan can kill angels. Archangels are angels, so unless it is stated otherwise on the show, Leviahans can kill archangels (being angels, which Leviathan can kill). --Empyrean


 * Leviathan can kill angels, archangels are angels, therefore Leviathan can kill archangels. -- Imperiex
 * The mass of normal angels are not as powerful as archangels and 99 percent of the demons are not as powerful as Lilith, Alastair and Azazel, so just because a Leviathan may be able to kill or eat a low powered one it doesnt mean they can do the same to the more powerful ones.
 * I think I see where you are having the problem. All archangels are angels, but not all angels are archangels, and are lesser than archangels. By Death saying angels it doesn't mean archangels as well, it just means angels in general. He probably would've referred to the archangels in addition. --69.64.58.255
 * When Death said Leviathans can kill angels, he was talking about the thousands or millions of lower level angels, and didn't think it would be necessary to distinguish the 4 archangels out of 1,000 or 1,000,000 angels. Besides that, he would have no point to, as two of the archangels were dead, and the other two are locked away in Lucifer's Cage. -- 104.238.216.26
 * You just said that Death was talking about the thousands of lower angels, that is the assumption my friend. He said that leviathans can kill angels. He didn't say they could kill lower angels. He didn't say he could kill angels below archangels, he said angels. Archangels are a type of angel. That's all there is to it.
 * That's why the thing though. When Death said "angels" it meant angels in general. Not one specific type of angel, not lower angels, all angels. Archangels are angels, which fit into the term, which means, unless otherwise stated, Leviathan can kill archangels. -- Empyrean


 * "Long before God created Angel and man, he made the first beasts -- the Leviathans." He said he was entertained by them, but God locked them away because they would eat the whole petri dish: "I personally found them entertaining, but he was concerned they'd chomp the entire petri dish, so he locked them away." Not only does he not say Leviathans can kill angels, he definitely doesn't mention archangels. The petri dish was God create life, the earth, and everything else, not simply angels.

Castiel later said in the finale that Leviathans can kill angels, but that was in direct reference to the fact that a garrison of angels was all dead. This wasn't referring to archangels, because there couldn't have been any archangels there at the time, because Raphael was dead, Gabriel was still thought to be dead, and Michael and Lucifer were still locked in Lucifer's Cage. So Castiel was only referring to lower angels, not archangels, as no archangels could have been in the garrison as far as we know.--SPNfan7908


 * Actually, your quotation only goes to show how "angels" are sometimes used as a catch-all phrase to include all types of angels, including archangels. It is canon (unless retconned in Season 11) that the Leviathans were the first creations of God. So "angels" in this context will include even the four most powerful angels--archangels, but angels nonetheless. And since this context extends to the next few lines that Leviathans could chomp off the petri dish, it actually serves as one of the bases why people think Leviathan can consume archangels.

Deduction is okay if sources and citations are both credible and plentiful. For this topic, there are canon statements to support it, but also a lot of confusion due to contradictory scenes (why is Castiel sometimes able to use his powers against Leviathans?).

What we know for sure is that ONLY the Bone can truly kill a Leviathan. Scythe of Death is highly possible, and God, as well. Everything else are conjectural and at best can only incapacitate a Leviathan unless expanded on the series.

But can Leviathans eat archangels? Canon statements exist and support the idea. Can they do it effortlessly? That may be another matter entirely. Remember this show has pagan gods, angels and monsters being killed by mere humans. --FTWinchester

the semantics are very confusing (i.e., Eve addressed Castiel as an "angel" despite being considered a Seraph) and the execution of the show leaves it confusing (i.e., Castiel can sometimes use his power against a Leviathan and sometimes he can't). --FTWinchester| the power scale in Supernatural is far from being linear.


 * You interpreting facts to support your own conclusions. I am open to listing it Leviathans as a Possible Weakness. As there no evidence every directly stated that they cannot kill or not kill the Archangels. Only that they can kill Angels, and Archangel no matter how strong is still an Angel first and liens more toward they can be killed by Leviathans. - Twilight Despair 5

Leviathans were absolutely pathetic. They were basically immortal ghouls who wanted to stuff themselves with humans and whatever else they could get their jaws on. They had no fancy powers like the angels, they had to use COMPUTERS to locate people, they were getting owned with the stuff people could find in their bathrooms, a noob witch was capable of paralyzing one of them for days with no effort whatsoever, they couldn't even see ghosts which led to them being beaten by one, they were getting almost too easily dismembered by humans, they couldn't fly or teleport like angels and demons so they had to use cars, they liked eating each other and their leader got killed by a bone. --Bats In The Belfry
 * Just because Leviathans powers are more physical and not such a "light show" like in the archangels case, does not mean they are "pathetic". Leviathans are not just more physically powerful, they are more intelligent as well. Was Lucifer able to locate Sam and Dean ? - Why not just use a localization spell or ask a reaper to do it, seems he never had such an obvious idea. Leviathans managed to bypass this with complex algorithms, Archangels just rely on their power given by God, none of them could ever match up with with a Leviathan in terms of intelligence. Don Stark was a very powerful witch and certainly not a noob, - basically one of the few ways an archangel could defeat a Leviathan is to use the regular magic as well to immobilize a Leviathan. --93.132.9.88