Talk:Deities

Gods/Deities cannot be cannibalistic as the word cannibal means humans eating humans. Or members of the same species eating others of the same species.

Also deities in Supernatural worship doesn't grant, increase, or decrease their powers. (However some gods need tributes like the Vanir for the ritural) the reason is its part of their powers not about restoring them. Intruth it doesn't even help or harm them. And the deities are immortal as they don't age. I cannot comfirm which one but one of the Salute to Supernatural talks stated these things. Also at least about the not needing worship and none aging immortality its on the Supernatural Super Wiki.: The Twilight of Your Despair 12:48, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I have just one question. Where was it confirmed that the gods were more powerful than the demons in Supernatural?

69.113.213.250 03:22, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

As a standard yes. On one of the Salutes to Supernatural which are cast&crew talks about the show's history, character's personality and history, aspects of the show and innate knowledge it was comfirmed.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:59, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. And a second question: Who is this "Oberon (fairy god)"? Did he ever appear in a Supernatural episode or was he mentioned in the show??

Kali clearly states that she and the rest of the gods are older and were there long before God. Lucifer even confirms this by saying that God and the angels took Earth from them. How is it then that Death and God are listed as Primordial Gods when they clearly aren't. The only mention of how old they are comes from Death who says he and God are very old. Therefore the other Deities need to be placed in their proper section. This article needs a clean up.

From the transprict of 5.19 Hammer of the Gods.

KALI Your story. Not ours. Westerners, I swear. The sheer arrogance. You think you're the only ones on earth? You pillage and you butcher in your Gods name. But you're not the only religion, and he's not the only God. And now you think you can just rip the planet apart? You're wrong. There are billions of us. An we were here first. If anyone gets to end this world, it's me. I'm sorry. [KALI stabs GABRIEL with his own sword. GABRIEL screams, and in a flash of light, dies.]

Kali never states that she and the other deities are older. Just that they were worshipped and most likely actively on Earth long before God decided to appear on the planet he created. And once God's religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) became active the pagan deities and their religions became not as practiced to the majority of the human species. And with God and his Angels being stronger than pagan deities already, they effectively forfited the planet to God.

Also this is from the Super-wiki Mythological Arc Timeline

At some point in the distant past, God, Death, and the other deities come into existence.

If you want to see it for youself this is the link. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Mythological_Arc_Timeline


 * The Twilight of Your Despair 16:05, March 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I take back the part about them being older, that was a mistake. Thery're at least as old as them. However my points still stand. If God and Death are primordial gods then so are all the other deities, even by your definitions.



Needs a major rewrite
Does anyone mind, if I make a major rewrite to this page, to clean it up, and bring it up to standard, aswell as remove all information regarding the Actual god (as this page is about false gods) and charaters that aren't gods? Because I really feel that someone should change this page, and no one else has. You have till tomorrow to state your disagreements, if not I start. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:17, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * My, my, my. As an eidtor, you are eligable to to contribute here by editing - heck, you're encouraged to. However, removing the ino that talks about the Creator can stay; he is a deity, af ter all. I'll review it after you're done. Happy editing! -- ImperiexSeed, 4:23 PM, October 16th 2012


 * Okay, I'll do it tomorrow, as I have to go soon, and sure I look forward to hearing what you think. I still slightly disagree with including God on this page, as he's isn't just a deity, he's the deity, he's the only true god, all the others, are simply self proclaimed, powerful creatures, there all false gods. But if you want him to stay, I'll leave him. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:25, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * In Supernatural inverse, deities is a race - a species. In real life, they would be considred what you call, false gods'. But, since he is a deity, he shouls stay on the page. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:30 PM, Octiber 16th 2012

Ok, and before I get my head cut off I am going to point out that I am Catholic completely. Now then, thats out of the way I want to address this. In the series God is a Deity" in the series the pagans as Lucifer call Mercury's kind are deities. But to God and his Angels, Leviathan, they are not that important. But you shouldn't call them false as despite my own views as a Catholic you shouldn't openly state that. Yes, your opinions General and ImpreiexSeed are respected and I am not asking you to change them. But you must do the same for those that still worshipping the old or pagan gods, some worship the universe as a god, or Atheism that doesn't worshp any god. Personally, I worship my God that I was taught in Catholic faith, and while I pity those that worship other'' gods I don't think less of them, I don't hate them, nor do I call their gods monsters, demons, or even evil. Also, about God. Yes, it's a common notion to call him a deity and you wouldn't be wrong. But it's not exactly correct either. By the ORIGINAL old testament God is the ALL, the Ultimate, the Original One. He is called a Deity as all the concepts and power he is well above requirement of a god. So while we call him a deity he is eternally beyond that.''

Now more for the series point. Ok, these gods aren't like most common fiction ones. Infact most are like monsters yes with few more respectable gods like Atropos. They naturally are just cut above most demons, like an intermediate species between demons and angels. And when feed or give tribute the rituals increase their powers. But, God is a Deity just in the series he is without a doubt the oldest (meaning he is at least as old as time, but most likely older) the strongest (this represents him being all powerful) and omnipresent, (as he can be everywhere but doesn't choose to.)

In summation, yes this page needs a face-lift like bad. But, God should stay as he is worshipped in Judeo-Christian faith. And one must have factor to be a god/deity is to be worshipped. As in some religions some worship demons, monsters, spirits, animals etc as gods. Like take Buddhism the Deva which are the closest things to gods, but aren't immortal (meaning none aging) and are bound by Samsara the six paths of rebirth. In Shintoism Kami translate to god or spirit. They worship ancestors, nature spirits, souls, even similar western creatures that are demons in western views. Some of the earlier gods were worshipped as more heavenly rather just nature spirits like the Greek gods. Finally, I think that God's information should be on this page but should have it's own sections. The pagan gods should have their own section. And ANY information that relates to both like standard information should be under one section.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 23:57, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Reclassification of pagan categories
Kudos to whoever classified the known pagan gods to appear in Supernatural, but there is a category of 'Pagan' (the Carrigans) already under the 'Pagan Gods'.

FTWinchester (talk) 21:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Pagan catagory is used here, to determine gods, which religon we do not know as it was never stated. The Carrigans are Hola Nickar, which if my memory serves me correctly is teutonic belief, but that can't be written as it wasn't stated in the show. And as Beau's real name or religon wasn't revealed we don't know which religon he belongs to either. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:18, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we could use 'unidentified' or 'undetermined' instead?

FTWinchester (talk) 22:56, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

You've got a point, they would probably be better, I'll talk to the admin, and see what he thinks, if he agrees I'll change it. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:11, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Pagan
Please clarify the operational meaning of Pagan in this page. One of the modern meanings of Pagan is one who does not follow any of the world's major religions. Hinduism is one of the five great religions of the world, so Kali and Ganesh may have to reclassified. Unless we (1) use the 'Deities of Polytheistic religions', or any other appropriate substitute, or (2) clarify that by pagan we mean polytheistic religion, Kali and Ganesh may not be called Pagan.

FTWinchester (talk) 21:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Pagan is used in this sense, in the old mediveal sense, all gods, that do not belong to Christainity, Judism or Islam. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:15, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks.

FTWinchester (talk) 22:57, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hindu is under paganism, but under a different meaning of it.

Historical PaganismEdit Further information: Prehistoric religion and Polytheism===Bronze Age to Early Iron Age=== Religions of the Ancient Near East Ancient Egyptian religion Ancient Semitic religion Mesopotamian religion reconstructed Proto-Indo-European religion Proto-Indo-Iranian religion historical Vedic religion This is why its under Paganism. As it's a Prehistoric religion which is a general term for the religious beliefs and practices of prehistoric peoples. More specifically it encompasses Paleolithic religion, Mesolithic religion, Neolithic religion and Bronze Age religion. However, as Hinduism is commonly since as monotheism in some senses, it often thought as pagan.

Hinduism is a diverse system of thought with beliefs spanning monotheism, polytheism, panentheism, pantheism, monism, and atheism among others. But Paganism it's really just an umbrella term with loose meanings. Heathen is other common word for those of none Judeo-Christian faith. As if you go to China, India, or Japan and call their beliefs pagan most will take offence to this as pagan is an European term. This is just me clearly anymore confusion.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:42, October 24, 2012 (UTC)--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:42, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ridiculous
It's quite disgusting as a Catholic to find other people that follow the same religion as me, refer to other religions as having false or pagan gods. This is considering the fact that these religions have existed centuries and millenia before ours. Sorry if I haven't been as indoctrinated as much as you fanatics by my religion but i think it is you guys that should be pitied for having these views. I'll be editting this article myself as everyone else around here is either delusional and unqualified to do so.


 * //Okay, first off, just above this post is a disambiguation discussion to clarify the meaning of 'Pagan' just so no Hindus are offended. I was the one who posted that and I happen to be Catholic. Second, the mere fact you mispelled 'editing' means you probably are unqualified to rewrite this as well, not to mention definitely not qualified to call us delusional.


 * FTWinchester (talk) 02:42, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think misspelling one word hardly makes me unqualified. Although if you find anymore then please do tell me. I think it just means I need to proofread my work first. However I think anyone that's read some of the posts on this talk page will feel the same way I do. When someone refers to Deities from living religions as 'false gods', you have to wonder where they're at really. I had directed that comment at those people who felt the need to insult other world religions. If you weren't one of those people, then my post didn't concern you. Nonetheless, I do not wish to keep fighting with you on this matter so I think we should just leave it here and focus on the article instead.

Good, nice to see this was fixed before it got bloody. But, I agree that calling other religions names and their deities/gods false isn't right. However, you cannot force others to respect other religions only to not let their own views affect how the article here is written so it's not filled with bias or opinions. I myself am Catholic and also have a minor in Mythology and Religion Studies, the word pagan was really only used for the older religions and cults of Europe like Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic etc. However, the Church added it on years later to all those that didn't belong to the religion of Christianity. This is why people think the Catholic Church is corrupt, and in the past they would be right somewhat.

Example, would be this. In 609, the Byzantine emperor Phocas gave the building (The Roman Temple the Pantheon) to Pope Boniface IV, who converted it into a Christian church and consecrated it to Sancta Maria ad Martyres, now known as Santa Maria dei Martiri: "Another Pope, Boniface, asked the same [Emperor Phocas, in Constantinople] to order that in the old temple called the Pantheon, after the pagan filth was removed, a church should be made, to the holy virgin Mary and all the martyrs, so that the commemoration of the saints would take place henceforth where not gods but demons were formerly worshipped." I find that calling the former worshipped gods, demons is beyond corrupt. Just because there not your gods doesn't give you the right to insult religions. Infact during longer periods of time when Rome was a Pagan Empire they had longer times of religion acceptance of all religions that when Chistianity was the main religion. Infact few religions worship demons as gods and in those they don't use the western views that demons are hellish creatures. In summation, while pagan is a lose term it the common one used in almost all the episodes that have deities in it so we have to use.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 15:18, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Unnamed Gods
In season 5 episode 18 'hammer of the gods' there are at least 3 gods that I noticed went unnamed and had no role to play, lucifer not even seen killing them, im just curious as to who they are, at the dinner table, there is a blonde girl, one on the end of the right side and one sitting to the right of odin that I can recall, they all have name tags, can anyoneone zoom in enough to make out thier names????

94.0.18.237 07:06, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

oh btw that was by me.

Princepurple (talk) 07:08, November 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I was curious on that myself. I don't know why you'd make a heading here about it, I mean, they were tilted in such a way that they couldn't have been identified by their name tags. I'd imagine they either left or Lucifer slaughtered them like the rest, but seeing as Kali, one of the most powerful pagan Deities couldn't leave, I thinks it's easy to conclude that they were disemboweled. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:41 PM, November 28th 2012


 * I saw a comment a few months ago about the blond haired woman possibly being Isis but I doubt i'll be able to find it again. Also her and at least another one of the unnamed Gods were murdered by Lucifer in the Hallway scene, so apart from Kali, I don't think any of the other Gods survived. Just a note Imperiexseed, but Kali was able to leave, she just chose to stay back and fight Lucifer. It was the two Winchester boys and Gabriel that couldn't leave, because of Kali's blood binding spell. 81.100.22.136 23:13, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Respectfully your wrong, fighting was her intension through out the episode, but when lucifer arrived and she realised how outgunned she was, she tried to leave, but Lucifer stoped her, there is a line where dean says get us out of here, and she says we can't, he's stopping us, just before the masacar really starts, check the transcripts if you don't belive me. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:24, December 3, 2012 (UTC)