Talk:Supernatural/Archive 1

Wiki.png and Wiki wide.png
You guys need something to replace the Wikia logo at the upper left hand corner and a Wiki wide image to promote your wiki. If you need help, I'm here to offer assistance. --Destron Commander 07:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

hey we ALREADY had a logo, where is it?? I was on vacation and I didn't get a chance to visit this wiki, and now when I saw it where is the logo I made?? I can make another one. note: here i found the wiki_wide: http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Wiki_wide.png. Why isnt it on the page??Umairnadeem 12:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that when the Wikia pages got the new appearance about a month ago, the logo got removed. Kyle Nin 16:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

alright.. i think we have a problem. i did some research and found out that the req. logo sized was changed about a month ago, and the wiki_wide i have is too big because of the required size change. I got a new computer but now i dont have my graphics software (mac. fireworks) soo... itll take some time to be back on again.. sorrry. Umairnadeem 12:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Powers
Alright I keep seeing people putting in extremely powerful powers like Omnipotence in Gabriels powers.

Gabriel does not have Omnipotence. Omnipotence is having Unlimited Power, not even Lucifer and Michael have that otherwise Lucifer could easily step out of hell, snap his fingers and destroy everything including God and Death. People! You need to stop naming the powers things like Omnipotence, Omniscient and other powers like it. This also goes for powers like what the Antichrist had, I seen before that someone put Telekinesis and said that he created a Earth Quake by Clenching his fist, that's not Telekinesis, that's Terrakinesis. Most of the powers need to be renamed because a lot of their names are false. I'm gonna start renaming some of the powers, like I said before stop giving the characters false names and find the name that actually says what they are.

SPN Last Author Standing
Like to write? Love Supernatural ? Great! There is a new challenge, called spn_las, where you write a fanfic of at least 100 words every two weeks based on a different prompt. Then they get voted on and the person with the least votes is out that week and the person with the most is safe next week. Until you have one author standing who wins! What do you win? A snazzy graphic and a $10 GC to Amazon or Barnes & Noble. You don't even need to be a GREAT writer!

http://community.livejournal.com/spn_las/

Calling All Active Users
I am a fairly new, but active member of the Supernatural wiki, and I've got a few things I'd like to contribute, and swear to keep my word.

The first thing I'd like to contribute is giving it a new look. I think now of all times seems to be quite a perfect time for revamping the wiki's blank standard look. I specialize in making designs for the skin and themes of sites like these, and I'd like to change things up a bit with this wiki. I'd also like to keep the information up to date and informative, without anything too spoiler-ish.

I've attemped to contact the last active Admin, or even bring the idea around to an active, but nobody's responding, and yet I've got a lot of good ideas I'd like to contribute to this Wiki. So I would like to take on the role of developing the Supernatural wiki further. Now, I'm calling all active users out there to discuss: who should the next Admin be for the Supernatural wiki?

Thesilentpoethosea 18:57, November 24, 2010 (UTC)Thesilentpoethosea


 * Hi! I'm new on here as well and I completely agree with you: this Wiki needs a complete revamp. I've just checked out the Admins' Contributions and the latest edit from one of them is September. Perhaps we should try leaving a message on their Talk Pages. If they don't reply, then perhaps we should contact the Central Wiki. I would like to become an Admin as well.


 * I'll try leaving those messages.


 * ChЯisHдlliwell 06:30, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good to me. Do you know if there can be more than one admin per Wiki?
 * Thesilentpoethosea 16:05, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * There can be. On the Charmed Wiki, there are 3 Bureaucrats and 4 Sysops. I've sent the Supernatural Wiki Admins messages but none of them have replied me.
 * ChЯisHдlliwell 16:54, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * There can be. On the Charmed Wiki, there are 3 Bureaucrats and 4 Sysops. I've sent the Supernatural Wiki Admins messages but none of them have replied me.
 * ChЯisHдlliwell 16:54, November 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm only new to this particular wiki but I also have some ideas. For instance:
 * I think if it had a different colour scheme it would different. Say the blue that they use in the opening of Supernatural in season 6. That with the black would look really cool - as well a new logo  that maybe only had the pentagon for the A rather than all the other symbols. I love them and all but it could just be over kill. Just a thought.
 * tails456 00:13, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

pagan god
What is your favorite pagan god? For me, it is the Vanir in season one's episode Scarecrow.

PLAGARISM

It has been bought to my attentiont that a number of the episode summaries on this site have been copied in their entirety from www.supernaturalwiki.com (many of which I wrote myself). Please remove this content and write your own summaries. Please note that the terms of the Wikia site state that "You may not submit content to the Service that you did not create or that you not have permission to submit." Jules Wilkinson Supernatural Wiki Administrator

Hiii!

Is there any brazilian editor?? Please, contact me, I'm trying to make a portuguese version!

thank you =)

Kriswelling 14:54, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Which is the best season of Supernatural?
6 seasons and still going strong,this show has changed a lot since first season.Season 6 is getting interesting and the executive producers have promised an awesome finale,but so far which season do you think is supernatural's best season? my favourite is the 2nd....what about you guys?

I honestly think season five was the best season, but season six is a special season to me. I really, really liked that season, and I look forward to season seven. Thesilentpoethosea 01:01, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Creatures

Is 'creatures' the right term to describe God? as well as other beings under this list?

(Anonymius 19:57, September 18, 2011 (UTC))

Season 5 hands down and season 8.Donellusmc (talk) 05:53, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Season 5 is the best, but without the previous 4 being precisely how they are, it wouldn't be what it is now. Season 6 is good but I personally don't consider it canon and season 7 was flat-out terrible. Eight was worse.

Gurgatory (talk) 00:30, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Gurgatory about Season 8 being the worst of the bunch so far. Seasons 6 and 7 lacked the first five seasons' magic, but at least they didn't have such awful characterizations. As for what I think is the best season... although I really enjoy the plotting and characters of Season 4, I like the characterizations and overall feel of the first season best. It had grit, intimidating villains, humor that wasn't overdone, a sense of a future instead of bucketloads of more angst that would pouring in in later seasons. Sam and Dean felt like real guys instead of overexaggerated character types. There were new, interesting characters every episode for the boys to bond with, so it didn't feel so claustrophobic.--NaiflidG (talk) 01:51, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

It's really just personal preference, nothing factual at all, of course... But personally Season 1 was pretty amazing, but early on in the season was rather boring to me. I guess I was just waiting for Yellow-Eyes and Lilith to show up, but most of the episodes that I liked had John in them. I do agree though, it was much more grittier and Azazel was pretty freaking scary. Also compared to later seasons (this is personal preference) the camera made the show much darker and therefore scarier.

My ratings:

Season 1: Good

Season 2: OK

Season 3: Great

Season 4: Amazing

Season 5: MASTERPIECE

Season 6: "Fun"

Season 7: Terrible

Season 8: nojustno (the finale was the best one since Swan Song, though)

Gurgatory (talk) 03:07, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Should I create a page named "Amortality"?
The word amortality means having never been born, and can't die.. To me, this seems like God and Death would be considered that, as they've always existed. Also, it's separate from immortality, in that immortals could've been born, they're just unable to die.. So, should I, or should not create this? -- ImperiexSeed, 10:01 PM, October 15th 2011

In the episode "Shut up, Dr. Phil" when Dean says "Clean up on Aisle Seven" after they discover the decapitated girl, is this a reference the movie "Se7en"? (The connection being a decapitated head)

Eve and Others Missing from Front Page
Is there a reason why so many other creatures are missing from the front page? Eve immediately comes to mind. But what about legends like Hookman, Kitsune, etc. Is it because listing all the monsters would make it too cluttered? If so, I still think at least Eve deserves a mention given that she was the "Big Bad" for Season 6.

--RobWinchester 17:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I don't see any reason for her to not be there. It's already really cluttered, but considering she was an important antagonist (more than Doc Benton, for example), she deserves some sort of mention... Also, I removed a spam ad that was here. Jmflaig (talk) 03:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Friendly reminder that I still can't see Eve on the front page.

FTWinchester (talk) 00:38, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Admin
I know several things about the concepts of designing, evil creatures, Wikia and high English, therefore I wish to aid with the website. Yet, my help is limited being just a guest, even with an account. So, if it not much of a bother, I would like to become an admin and maximize the potential this website has.

All the best,

Kratos Jr.

Archangels
I dont like the fact that two archangels die, lets hope they (or at least Gabriel) are being resurected by God in the following seasons. Gabriel was a cool character that I think is important. This is just my point of view. Anyone else who thinks the same?


 * Yeah, I loved him too. But....unfortunately, I don't see him coming back. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:49 PM, June 30th 2012


 * He should though, God resurrected Castiel at least twice, so why not one his Archangels? they are kinda like literal Brothers and have seen god, Raphael (who never mentioned Gabriel and vice-versa was abit of a jerk and killed cass once and maybe god dislikes that) was like i said, a jerk, but Gabriel is one of the only angels to appreciate humanity which would make god proud, and Gabriel sacrificed himself for sam and dean, they are Gods true children kinda, say he should be resurrected.
 * IndigoRider (talk) 02:00, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Castiel's been resurrected because he's God's favorite, for probably his fierce loyalty/devotion and humanity. Similarly to Michael, Raphael's willing to do anything to bring about paradise on Earth by Michael defeating Lucifer, and Raphael completely lost faith in God, so I don't see God resurrecting him, although Cas, in absorbing all of Purgatory's souls, did claim to be a new better God, mocking his very name, but yet God saved him yet again, so I guess he could resurrect any one of them. Gabriel, however, was true and sincere, I thought. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:27 PM, August 14th 2012

Sources for Anna Milton
Could someone please provide the sources for some of the conjecture on Anna Milton's page? Specifically, the statement, "Her character was intended to replace Castiel, who was supposed to be killed by Alastair in "On The Head Of A Pin", as Dean's angelic guide. Due to Castiel's immediate popularity with critics and fans alike, much of Anna's role was given to him instead and she was eventually removed from the series entirely. "

I have never before heard this in the year I've spent being a part of the Supernatural fandom. That is in no way to say that it isn't true or likely; rather, I would appreciate the sources from which this came so I may investigate further.

(I am new to this wikia business, and I hope I'm doing this right. Jmflaig (talk) 02:22, September 7, 2012 (UTC))

Sources in General
Pardon the douple-posting, but I felt this warranted a new topic, separate from the Anna Milton one.

Looking through this Wikia, I've noticed that there are a lot of unsubstantiated pieces of so-called "trivia". Some of these are most likely from "behind the scenes", stated during interviews or conventions. I know that it will be a lot of work, but I propose that we begin adding sources to such things. For example, if Misha Collins mentions something major and previously unheard of at ChiCon, please mention that (and, if available, provide links to where you obtained such information).

Regarding comments made about one character from another, I think we should mention which episode said comments were made in. For example, from Dean Winchester's Trivia section, I would very much like to know which episode Sam declared that Dean knows "all of Clint Eastwoods (sic) movies".

Although it will be difficult, I also propose removing anything that a source cannot be found for. Deletion would not be necessary if there's some way to simply hide it from what non-registered users can view. Basically, let's cite our sources. This will make it much easier to look at quotes and quips in-context; it will also raise the standard and the validity of what gets published. Jmflaig (talk) 02:40, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Consistency in "Trivia" and "Notes" Sections; Add a "Conjecture" Section
Provided I don't think of anything else, this should be my last consecutive post on the Talk page (for now).

I've noticed that on some character pages, a "Trivia" section is present; on others, a "Notes" section is present. As a first order of business, I propose we specifically define which each category should contain and keep everything consistent.

Next, I propose that we establish a new section, aptly titled something like "Conjecture". This section is where unsubstantiated theories would be placed. A few examples of what I mean are the following posts on Anna Milton's page, under the "Notes" section: Both of the above can be argued for against and without any canon answer. Therefore, they are purely theory and conjecture, and should be in such separate section. Jmflaig (talk) 02:59, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Some fans argue that Michael merely destroyed Anna's vessel and sent her back to Heaven rather than kill her. Support for this claim include her wings not being shown (angels who have been permanently killed off are sometimes shown with their wings burnt into their surroundings) and other characters not referring to her as being dead. However, she has not since reappeared and not all angels that are killed have their wings shown: all of the lower-level angels, Balthazar, Raphael, and Hester also do not show their wings."
 * "Her debut in Season 4 as a fallen angel without power arguably sets up Castiel being depowered from being cut off from Heaven in Season 5. However, there are some discrepancies: Anna loses all of her grace at once yet still retains some of her powers over twenty years later whereas Castiel loses his grace more gradually but ends up completely powerless by the fifth season finale. It may be that she retained some of her power because she was Castiel's superior and thus more powerful, similar to how Lucifer lost none of his powers when he fell. "

My only disagreement with your proposals is the addition of a "Conjecture" section as speculation (i,e. theories) is generally prohibited on this wiki aside from talk pages or blogs. To quote ImperiexSeed, "Look, all speculation does is twist concrete info into something that's based on opinion or preference, which isn't helpful.", and I firmly agree with that statement as I believe for any wiki to be fully accurate, editors can not blur the line between fact and speculation. 108.225.237.8 08:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

You make a very valid point! I'm sorry I didn't realize that speculation wasn't allowed here. I just joined yesterday!

I agree with you. You're very right, especially if this wiki is supposed to be subjective. But then, I must ask - what will happen to all the speculation like the ones I've quoted above? Will it be wiped?

In a manner of speaking, yes. In fact, I have already removed the speculation on the Anna Milton page you spoke of. However, I am definitely in favor of your proposal to defining what each catagory should contain for consistency, so I highly suggest you continue proposing it. On a final note, welcome to the wiki and I hope you enjoy editing here. 107.194.22.7 07:04, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

HOME PAGE NEEDS TO BE KEPT UP WITH.

For one, clicking on the pic for whats up tiger mommy leads to survival of the fittest, and clicking on the pic for we need to talk about kevin does nothing. Winchester7314 (talk) 23:44, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Monocolored demon?
Just a question, why is Samhain called as a 'monocolored-eyed' demon? Doesn't monocolor mean one or single hued? If any, it applies to any other demon except for Samhain, as we can see differences in the colors of his iris and pupils. Anybody care to shed me some light on this?

FTWinchester (talk) 22:20, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Horsemens?
Seriously? On the front page? Horsemen is already the plural form.

65.92.148.90 06:23, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Again, I suggest you adress it to an admin directly on their talk page as that is the best way anything to their immediate attention. If he/she does not respond for a peroid of time, than you can just seek help from another. I may have perviously gave ImperiexSeed as an example, but I would actually suggest you inform Calebchiam as he has always responded to my messages within at least the next day. 108.247.151.170 08:09, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Attention All Active Users and Admin
Let me introduce myself. I'm Sybil. I have a background in webdesign and a  Bachelor's Degree in English/Creative writing. I've been doing Wikia for a while, as a hobby while I pursue my  Master's in Forensic Psychology, and am an Admin and Bureaucrat on the Merlin Wikia and I've decided to work on this Wikia as well because Supernatural is one of my favorite shows and, honestly, because this Wikia needs work. I may not be an Admin on this Wikia, but I am devoted to making the Supernatural Wikia the best it can be!

I can certianly tell that a ton of work has gone into this Wikia already! It looks sleek and the design is a beautifully dark reflection of the show, using the Season 8 Title Card as inspiration. The pages have a lot of good information as well! And it has fairly up-to-date information, including brief teaser-summaries of the next two episodes scheduled to air!

I can practically hear you wondering, "Sybil, if it is so great, why did you say it needs work? Why are you wasting my time?"

Well, let me just say that  this Wikia, as it is right now, is pretty good! But, it could be supernaturally awesome!

So, what does polishing entail?

 * Polishing starts with knowing what has to be polished. I doubt Sam and Dean would waste time polishing their shoes if their knives are what need polishing! However, if they are dressing as Feds, polished shoes would make their ensembles complete. Similarly, we need to know what to polish before we start.

Knowing what to polish:

 * I highly recommend first just browsing around the Wikia (as I'm sure the majority of you have done numerous times before). As you do so, make a note (I like to type a note in my Notepad program, but scribbling down a note by hand works better for some) of everything you notice that bothers you. Include anything and everything, even things that you don't know how to fix/improve, those you aren't sure can be fixed/improved, and the things you think may be so knit-picky and miniscule that nobody else will be bothered by them.

Example - My List:

 * difficult to find Admins
 * some typos and common mistakes in Templates and other common page features
 * for instance:
 * major grammar errors in majority of random Articles I clicked on
 * Inappropriate placement of some pages in certain Categories (ie: some (clearly RP) blog posts placed in categories intended to sort characters and creatures that are canon to the Supernatural show, anime, books, and comic, not for fan-created characters - see the Categories for: Creatures, Archangel, God's Creations, Angels, Garth, Ghostfacers, etc.)
 * Unnecessary Categories (ie: Garth, etc.)
 * sometimes poorly cited sources

Once you've done this, look at your list.

 * If you can go ahead and fix anything on it, then start polishing! :D
 * If you have things on your list that you can't do (either because you don't feel comfortable changing it without discussing it first, or you don't have time to handle it right now, or you don't have clearance/permission to edit it (ie: you're not an Admin), or you don't know how), then put those things (politely, please) in a comment to this post, in your own talk topic or blog post, or contact an Admin with yourr suggestions and maybe another user will be able to polish it! Remember, we can only make  the Supernatural Wikia  supernaturally awesome by working together, just like Sam and Dean work better as a team!


 * Badgesidea.png also recommend looking at other Wikias to see both what you think they do well and what they do poorly. Look for things other Wikias do orr have that we should too! For instance: some Wikias give Achievement Points to users for being active and users can earn Badges for particular accomplishments (see Fig.1).   I've also seen fanfiction sections/collections on some  Wikias..


 * A good active Wiki is the Merlin Wiki, but there are tons of good ones! Just look up your favorite shows and/or books and I'm sure you'll find some worth checking out!

Polishing, like knife cleaning, requires the proper tools. Sam aand Dean use oil,  a cloth, and a sharpening stone.

Here are the tools I recommend for polishing a Wikia:

 * ​General Wiki Guidelines
 * Micrsoft Word (or another equal document program)
 * ​this tool is very useful because it spots some (though not all) grammar and spelling errors
 * dictionary.com  and thesaurus.com/
 * great for checking spelling and finding more descriptive words
 * Google Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Internet Explorer
 * perfect for fact-checking
 * citationmachine.net
 * makes citing sources easy

Things to Look for and Fix While Polishing an Article:
 * typos
 * they're, their, there
 * you're, your, yore
 * its, it's
 * "i" before "e," except after "c" and in words like "'neighbor" and "weigh"
 * tense  should mostly stay the  same -  past  tense is best  (remember we don't have  angels  to help  us time-travel, so our  grammarr should reflect that things that have already occured in the canon are in the past)
 * present tense should only be used when discribing characters who are still alive (ie: "Dean is a hunter") or discussing actions/events that are still on-going (ie: "Dean owns an Impala," "Castiel frequently reports to Naomi and, unbeknownst to him, spies on the Winchesters for her")

I know  it seems  like a lot.

 * And it is. But, if  we all pitch in annd workk together, we can make the Su pernatural Wikia  supernaturally awesome!

Everyone can help polish the Supernatural Wikia! Your  friend, Sybil WorshipperOfTheOldReligion  16:01, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * "Well, let me just say that  this Wikia, as it is right now, is pretty good! But, it could be supernaturally awesome!"


 * I actually agree with you on this. My major gripes in this wiki are the more-than-sporadic presence of incorrect grammar, not to mention the use of proper tenses in writing. I've seen other wikis use only the past tense (at least on narratives and episode summaries), but our wiki seems to take more liberty than that. I think the community should really look more into these two problems to make the articles a bit more streamlined. I have also some other qualms on certain pages including 1) some data that are only tangentially relevant, 2) the liberal, and sometimes subjective, use of canon and non-canon information to suit a personal view on an article or page, and 3) vague criteria on what necessitates a page--but see in this wiki, some changes require or sire days-long debates that rarely achieve fruition.


 * (I'm all for badges and stuff because they look cool, but I hardly think that is absolutely necessary as sometimes other members would edit every minor thing just to get their edit counts up). FTWinchester (talk) 13:20, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your imput, FTWinchester! You make some very good points! The extremely poor grammar and the lack of a uniformed tense are two of my biggest concerns as well. The other issues you bring up are also rather huge and definitely require addressing! Of them, the mixing of "head-canon" psuedo-fact and canon fact in articles and on other pages intended only for supportable, sourcable canon information (blogs and user pages are better suited for non-canon information) and the loose definition of what constitutes a page  (and a category, for that matter) are the issues you mentioned that bother me the most.
 * As for the difficulty in making changes to the wikia because such changes are debated for a long time, there isn't an easy way to fix this because, no matter what, it is impossible to make everyone happy. I've seen some sites have polls about big changes to the site (both prior to and after those changes). This provides a roughly accurate picture of how active users feel about those major changes. If the majority votes to make the change, it is made. Then, if the majority votes that they dislike a change that has been made, the site is reverted to how it was prior. On other wikias, I've seen a policy that small changes (like page edits or adding a page that fits the defnition of an appropriate page) can be done by any registered user without discussing it, medium changes (like editing page names, adding categories, etc.) can be done by any registered user as long as a certain number of Admmins (anywhere from 1-5) approve it, and large changes (editing the wikia's layout/organization, etc.) can be done by any Admin as long as a certain number of other Admin (anywherefrom 1-3) approve


 * The admins didn't want the wiki to use polls because they want consensus in deciding things. They said that even if just one user do not agree with the majority--there still won't be a consensus. Any change must conform to everyone and not just the majority. I think the admins could explain this much better than I could.  FTWinchester  ( talk ) 21:02, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I, personally, like the badges because they encourage active participation in the wikia and reward active, hard-working users. I can see (and have witnessed) how some make pointless edits just to get more points and badges, but in my experience it is worth it because just as many users are honest aand earnest with their edits and are rejuvenated in their attempt to better the wikia  by the  prospect of being recognized and rewarded for their hard work.
 * Blessed Be, Sybil WorshipperOfTheOldReligion 17:35, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * If I may clarify, it's not the admins that want consensus in deciding things, but it's actually a gerneral policy on Wikia according to this wiki's bureacrat Calebchiam. In addition, I am strongly against the idea users needing apporoval by one or more admins to make changes as an admin is not supposed to be the "bosss" of a wiki, they have no more authurity than any other user. Not to mention everyone is free to edit without permission from admins, registered or not. I suggest you consult Calebchiam with your ideas as he is very fluent in Wikia policies, so he could tell you which ones would suit the wiki or not.
 * If I may clarify, it's not the admins that want consensus in deciding things, but it's actually a gerneral policy on Wikia according to this wiki's bureacrat Calebchiam. In addition, I am strongly against the idea users needing apporoval by one or more admins to make changes as an admin is not supposed to be the "bosss" of a wiki, they have no more authurity than any other user. Not to mention everyone is free to edit without permission from admins, registered or not. I suggest you consult Calebchiam with your ideas as he is very fluent in Wikia policies, so he could tell you which ones would suit the wiki or not.


 * You  bring up a great point. However, there  is a difference in "consensus" and uniformity of oppinion. Consenus literally  means "majority of opinion" (dictionary.com). It isn't about unanimous agreement, but  about the a agreement of the majority. Polls are designed for this.  I merely suggested it because a system  that fails to bring discussed and beneficial changes to fruitation, as you (FTWinchester) described this wikia, is in need of reevaluating.
 * Yes, certainly needing approval to change the wiki is not always  a good thing! I believe small changes and medium changes that follow the guidelines shouldn't need approval to do. But, large changes should be approved in some fashion - admin approval, vote,  etc.


 * I agree that nobody is the "boss" of the wikia and nobody should be. That is why I posted this topic in an area where everyone could see it and it could act as a think tank instead of contacting one person to see if any of my suggestions " would suit the wiki or not." However, Admin do have more authority than regular users. Wikia allows them to make certain edits that others can not. Admin can also block users that break the rules. But, it  is important that Admin do not abuse these privileges and don't act as if they own the wikia because the Supernatural wikia belongs to both nobody and everybody.


 * Blessed Be, Sybil 00:18, January 14, 2013 (UTC) WorshipperOfTheOldReligion


 * Believe me, I was bringing up the points you just gave on a similar discussion a few months ago. I am aware of some institutions using super-majority or overwhelming majority as a form of consensus, but Calebchiam (an admin) said otherwise for this wiki.  For now, I'll be waiting on the opinions of other users. Although, Calebchiam also mentioned silence is a form of soft consensus. If no one argues with what you propose, I suppose we could soldier on with the changes. FTWinchester (talk) 02:33, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nobody includes CabelChiam. Well, according to CalebChiam, there's no "admin-approval", as you're suggesting. Oh, except for his. Your stance possesses much ambiguity, if you will. Name and portray the examples you are describing, so that I can fix them. Link me personally to their pages. Obviously there's going to be inaccurate tensing and obviously it needs to be fixed. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:41 PM, January 14th 2013

I am a little confused, what do you nobody includes CalebChiam, ImperiexSeed?


 * Are we still undecided on unifying the tense of the verb to use? Other good wikias have a policy on the tense to use in writing. Our articles are very disorganized in terms of tenses. I suggest we create a policy/guideline for this.


 * For example, narratives should always be in the past, as they have already occurred within the Canon (i.e., Abaddon killed Henry Winchester, Charlie stabbed the spellbook, Bela stole the colt).


 * Dead characters should almost always be described in the past tense (Rufus was a hunter), in contrast to still existing characters, who we describe with the present tense (Dean is a hunter).


 * Description of abilities, skills, and current status of a character or object must be in the present tense (Telekinesis is the ability..., Pyrokinesis refers to..., Enochian is the language..., The Demon-Killing Knife is a powerful...), although depictions of their use, or if they are no longer active, must be in past tense (Anna Milton travelled to the past..., Famine could cause..., Alastair was able to heal..., Ruby cast a spell...).


 * Actions still ongoing should be in the present tense (Kevin is deciphering the tablet..., Castiel is under Naomi's control...). FTWinchester (talk) 15:41, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * FTWinchester: I think those are excellent guidelines! Shall somebody create a Policy page for them?  Would you like to? If you don't or haven't the time, I gladly will (though I may not get around to it until next week). WorshipperOfTheOldReligion (Blessed Be, Sybil 18:12, February 7, 2013 (UTC))

I was thinking of receiving some more inputs from other contributors. I hope they care enough to even at least look at it and agree. Also, I'm not sure if regular contributors are allowed to post Policies. My post was a suggestion on how we could do it. (Also, sorry for breaking the line you made). FTWinchester (talk) 18:38, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

I sincerely hope others do care enough to help better the wiki by adding their thoughts!!! Truthfully, I'm not even sure any Admin other than ImperiexSeed are still paying much attention to the wiki (my perfuse apologies to active Admin I haven't seen around!) because the only Admin who even contributed to this long discussion on the betterment of  our wiki was ImperiexSeed. So, perhaps they could make a policy page? - WorshipperOfTheOldReligion (Blessed Be, Sybil 00:20, February 8, 2013 (UTC))

The truth is, Sybil, aside from ImperiexSeed, the only other Admins that are on the wiki (that at least I am aware of) are Hallichester (who has been absent for a long time now), Thesilentpoethosea (who has also has been absent since at least before I began editing on the wiki) and MisterRandom2 (who has rarely edited since Calebchiam made him an Admin), so basically ImperiexSeed is the "only" active Admin we have. In addition, Caleb generally only responds to messages on his talk page or handles matters brought to his attention by users, so I suggest you contact him if you want his thoughts on your ideas. Here's a link to his talk page. In regards to your suggestion for a policy page, Caleb already created multiple ones which you can find under Policies on the Categories list, however other users either are unaware of the pages or just ignore the polcies that were set as I never see anyone bring them up aside from Caleb himself. I hope I was of help. 108.225.236.91 03:03, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for this imput! Perhaps some more active users should be made Admins? That way the responsibilities are shared and no one person has to bare the burden of it all. As for having to bring issues up  to Admin, that's completely understandable. However, "active" Admin should also be present enough on the sites they are the gaurdians of that they notice big issues before users have to contact them personally. They should at least watch  for changes to this, the Talk:Supernatural Wiki, page. As for the policy page, I thank you for pointing this out to me! It is a relief to know that, at least, one doesn't need to be made. However, for users to even know these exist they have to search for them. Then,  there are 2 policy categories with 8 pages between the 2 categories, one with 5 pages and the other with 3. That is not user-friendly at all! A link to a single policy page/category/whatever should be readily available on the homepage (if not in the topbar) so that users know where to find it for reference (not to mention know it even exists). Also, one of those policy pages that currently exists (Supernatural_Wiki:Simplified_ruleset) list as the 3rd rule out of 12 as "Ignore all rules." Now, I know that Wikipedia has this idea and far be it  for me  to question Wikipedia, but I really think users might be taking this too far... Perhaps our wiki should revise this to something like "Question rules that don't work or make no sense. If the rules discourage you from improving or maintaining the wiki's quality, propose changing them. If concensus is against changing them, ask for help understanding them and working within their parameters." -WorshipperOfTheOldReligion (Blessed Be, Sybil 04:14, February 8, 2013 (UTC))

I fully agree that we need more Admins, however Calebchiam is the wiki's only bureucrat. So internally, only he can give a user Admin rights which he will only do if he deems someone is experienced enough, have been on the wiki for long enough, still actively contribute and most of all he is sure they will not abuse the position. This is the impression I got from Caleb when he had denied ImperiexSeed's request to be a bureaucrat and devulged to another user on how he can eventually become an Admin. All I can say is you could suggest to him in promoting more Admins for the wiki. On a side, I looked into the rule in question and quite frankly I  have to agree as "ignore all rules" is counterdictive and in my  a highly problematic loophole as it basically allows a single user the freedom to ignore any policy as they see fit which would inevitably result in frequent edit wars with other users who follow those policies. What's the point of having policies for a wiki or even Wikipedia itself, if there's a rule that allows you to ignore them. 108.225.236.91 04:43, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does having only one Bureaucrat feel an awful lot like returning to feudal times of a dictator king with  total power and serfs who work hard but still can't  pay the taxes instead of the more democratic system the wiki is supposed to be? Now, I'm not saying that Calebchiam is a dictator at all! I only mean that one person shouldn't have so much power and responsibility. Over and over again history has showed us that that  just doesn't work - the common population stuggles in hardship and the leader either is too distanced from them to realize, too weighed down by all  his/her responsibilities, or simply doesn't care. Those systems flounder and the hard-working lower class either toil away with no hope till they die, immigrate, or revolt. So far, this wiki's system feels like the common users are toiling away or just leaving. I find that very sad! I want our wiki to truely reflect the awesomeness of the show we all love! So, I say that instead of hopelessly toiling away, leaving, or revolting, all of  us (registered & unregistered users, admin, moderators, and bureacrat(s) ) who are active unite with the common goal of working together to reevaluate our system, analyze its flaws, and fix it to the best of our combined abilities. -WorshipperOfTheOldReligion (Blessed Be, Sybil 06:51, February 8, 2013 (UTC))

If you don't you mind, Sybil, I am going to bring this discussion to Caleb's attention myself as I feel he would be opened to your ideas for improving the wiki. 108.225.236.91 07:31, February 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I've read through the discussion. I did see this a few weeks back, but didn't see a need to comment on it. I don't have a whole lot to say. Sybil's long post at the start is just a shout-out to users to get involved, which is all fine and dandy. Grammar, spelling, stuff like that, it's not a specific problem to Supernatural Wiki, it happens to all Wikis and it happens because some content creators aren't great with their grasp on English, but that's fine because we have editors to proofread and fix these errors, yeah, in any case, we all know this.


 * That being said, it's good that the issue regarding proper tenses in articles and all was brought up, what we really need is a full Style Guide - this is not a guide to grammar or pointing out common spelling mistakes, but it serves to detail how we document information on the Wiki (e.g. Dean is a hunter, Rufus was a hunter, as mentioned above). It could also detail the policy on documenting cultural elements of the show. If anyone wants to create a page at Supernatural Wiki:Style Guide, be my guest. Following community input, it can be made into official policy and referenced in disputes whenever necessary.


 * As for badges, I am strongly against implementing them on the Wiki. From experience, users end up making junk or extremely minor edits to up their edit counts and unlock 'achievements'. I also think it reveals a lot about one's motivation to edit on the Wiki. Is it to document a show that you enjoy? To spread knowledge and information? Or are you doing it for the prestige? If you want a reward for your work, the Wiki is not the place to be. Wikis want volunteers, not achievement-seekers. To implement badge programs on the site would encourage the latter. This is why the badge program was met with resistance when Wikia first suggested it, and is also why some of the larger Wikis with developed communities have chosen to reject it. Yes, it could get more users to participate, but we also lose out on the matter of principle. In any case, those are my views on the subject, feel free to disagree.


 * Regarding Ignore All Rules (IAR), which was posted in the Simplified Ruleset back in 2007…first of all, this was 5+ years ago, I don't think simplified rulesets are posted on Wikis anymore. Nonetheless, the IAR principle actually has some good reasoning behind it but it tends to be misinterpreted due to its provocative title. The other Wiki I work on (which is #2 in size, iirc), changed the IAR rule to something a lot less provocative: Use Common Sense (UCS). IAR was never meant to be used as a reason to disregard existing policies at whim, the spirit of the rule was that users should look at the fundamentals of certain policies (what the intention behind it was, what kind of ideals it is trying to encourage) rather than be fixated on following each policy to the letter and end up with a lot of bureaucratic red tape. In other words - use common sense. Basically, if your common sense tells you that ignoring a particular rule would benefit the Wiki, then go ahead and ignore it. That's the idea behind IAR anyway.


 * The policies on the Wiki aren't quite complete yet…I keep intending to institute the basic polices that keep all Wikis running smoothly but I never seem to get around to it, I'll try to get it done soon.


 * As for Sybil's analogy about my position as the lone bureaucrat on the Wiki, I find it somewhat amusing but of course, it's quite unfounded ;-) Unlike an actual dictator, I don't enjoy any luxuries/benefits from being a bureaucrat, I come to Wikis and edit and give my input and then carry on with the other things I have to do. I'm just volunteering like everyone else. No need to be quite so melodramatic about it, Sybil, this is a Wiki not feudal China. >.<


 * I am open and have always been open to having more admins on the site. I am also of the opinion that Wikis function best with 2-3 bureaucrats. Having more than one means that there are others to continue sysopping users should one bureaucrat go inactive. It also means that the bureaucrats can act as checks and balances to each others. More sysops is of course, a good thing - pages/files can be deleted faster, vandalism reverted and stopped more quickly. If you check out my talk page, you'll see that I've never rejected sysopping users because 'we have enough sysops' or anything of the sort. Getting sysop privileges does grant the user the capability to cause a lot of damage to the Wiki however, not to mention the fact that they'll be asked to resolve disputes in a neutral fashion, which is why I've only had a few requirements before I sysop users. (You can find them on the talk page of any user who has requested sysop tools from me.)


 * Ultimately, it just requires a dedicated user. Before anyone goes off and tells me that the requirements are too difficult to meet, the fact that I sysopped Imperiex (who went on to abuse his powers to block users he disagreed with, etc) should indicate that I have been quite liberal in granting them to users. I was eager to get another bureaucrat for the Wiki, that I nearly crat'ted him, that is until I took a gander on his talk page and saw what he was doing as a sysop. I rejected his request, of course, and stopped short of de-sysopping him (which I was strongly considering). Thus, I hope it can be understood that it is not my intention to make sysop/crat tools an exclusive thing, but obviously these tools cannot be handed out freely to anyone who requests for them.


 * Finally, as for what consensus means, the dictionaries have several definitions for it, but the Wiki definition is stated here, and quite well-explained might I add.


 * This ended up a little longer than I thought it would be. Cheers Calebchiam Talk 04:51, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Caleb,
 * Thank you so much for your comment! It is good to know that the wiki's policies are being looked at! I will be glad to help with that any way possible. I do think changing the IAR rule to a UCS rule is a good idea. Also, I'd be glad to help create the style guide. As for the consensus information, I greatly appreciate it!
 * - WorshipperOfTheOldReligion (Blessed Be, Sybil 18:50, February 9, 2013 (UTC))
 * PS: Please know that my analogy was in no way meant as a slight against you or your leadership! I know you work very hard and care a lot about the wiki! I only meant it as a means of expressing a problem I noticed - no one person should have to hold all the bureaucratic responsibilities; that just usually doesn't work so well. As  for being melodramatic, I apologize!- I tend to get that way when I am passionate about something; its one of my more annoying quirks. I'm very sorry if I offended you in any way! It was not my intention to do so.
 * PS: Please know that my analogy was in no way meant as a slight against you or your leadership! I know you work very hard and care a lot about the wiki! I only meant it as a means of expressing a problem I noticed - no one person should have to hold all the bureaucratic responsibilities; that just usually doesn't work so well. As  for being melodramatic, I apologize!- I tend to get that way when I am passionate about something; its one of my more annoying quirks. I'm very sorry if I offended you in any way! It was not my intention to do so.

New page?
Since we already have a page for Knights of Hell, should we also make one for King of Hell?--68.202.180.121 02:36, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * It was elaborated on the page of Hell, and on Crowley's page. It was only ever used by Crowley himself, unlike the Knights of Hell, which is a class of demon (that just happened to have only one confirmed member thus far). Personally, I think it is rather unnecessary to have a page on it. FTWinchester (talk) 02:47, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought Crowley and Azazel's different powers as Kings of Hell got compared at a con or something though, which would imply it's a real title. And Lucifer's page has him as a King of Hell. Should we zap that?--68.202.180.121 03:06, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I took it that the position was real, but the title itself was only self-styled, much how real-life monarchs expand their official ruling titles. I don't think Azazel would call himself King of Hell as I think he believes that is reserved for Lucifer. I don't know, though. Maybe the other contributors could input more in this query FTWinchester (talk) 03:21, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, Azazel served more or less as the field marshal (highest-ranking army officer) of Hell as opposed to being the king, as he led other demons on Earth  in following Lucifer's (the true ruler of Hell) orders to free Lilith in order to break the 66 seals. Wheras Crowley more than likely came up with "King of Hell" when he took over after Lucifer's reimprisionment  as only he has been referred to by that title, intially by Crowley himself. Also, to correct the uregistered user above, Lucifer's page actually refers to him as the "ruler" of Hell, not "King". With that said, I agree with FTWhinchester to the unnecessity to have  a page for it. 107.194.27.211 07:25, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Recurring
The script/code for the recurring creatures/beings on the front page is off. FTWinchester (talk) 05:19, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

I did notice it long back and tried to fix it too. But it did not work out. Even the featured images' code is off. I don't know it these templates are accessible only to admins or not as I never tried to edit them as a regular user. Anybody care to fix that? RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  10:38, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, how about that. I actually managed to edit it, but nothing changes. FTWinchester (talk) 12:25, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

I have a theory. Remove the code for the countdown clock and see what happens? RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  14:13, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

My theory proved right. I removed the code for the countdown clock and all glitches on the page disappeared. I'll ask the person who designed the Countdown clock to tweak its code. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  15:35, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, then. FTWinchester (talk) 16:55, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Relationships
I've noticed that most of the Relationships pages that stand on their own (by which I mean pages like Dean and Ruby, Sam and Jo, Bobby and Castiel) are unneccessary because they are essentially just summaries of episodes the characters in question have been in together, occasionally with something like, "He felt concerned for her." My suggestion for these pages (and I'll start doing it if no one objects) is to trim them down and better explain the relationships instead of "She did this, he did this, and this happened."

I'm not sure if this is gonna fly, but if possible, I'd like to remake most of these pages as entries on the Dean's Relationships, Sam's Relationships, etc., because honestly, there's only so much you can say about two characters' relationship before it turns into wordcruft and speculation. Most wikias have a character's relationships with others on the character's page itself (like so). I'd like that to eventually be the case here.NaiflidG (talk) 23:19, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Haunted Houses
I've enjoyed this site a lot, often perusing the site during episodes or doing research for info to add to my websites, but I'd like to suggest one more category: Haunted Locations. I would be handy (at least to me) to find at a glances locations reported as haunted or known as haunted houses in the series. Thor2000 (talk) 14:08, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's not a problem. Let's see what others think of it. RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  16:03, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

The Haunted locations category sounds like a great idea to expand our database. As for the spoilers, I don't mind having them, but a significant reason I'm avoiding the wikia right now (aside from studying) is to avoid spoilers, so I don't think I'll be able to help you on that front, RaghavD. FTWinchester (talk) 15:20, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know I should be creating a new section, but the above editor's query will go unanswered. So I'll get straight to the point. I've been noticing a lot of activity on the S9 page (It is the second most visited page after Castiel's). It looks quite messy and unpleasant to look at, due to the huge info dumping. I think a page for spoilers should be created. Anyone who wants to read or post spoilers would go there. It will also keep the Season page neat and we would not need to delete the entire spoiler info once the episodes start airing. Also isn't the purpose of the spoiler template defeated if we blatantly display spoilers? Please respond.  RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  16:17, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad you could respond. RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  15:58, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for considering my idea; of the two Supernatural wiki sites: the other one goes into more detail, but this one is laid out and categorized SO MUCH better to find things much easier. I've got a haunted house website devoted to haunted locations in TV and the movies. I've got bios for the Mordoch Cabin and Roosevelt Asylum, plus I'm doing research for the Van Ness House and Morton House plus future abridged bios for the Winchesters and the Ghost-Facers. I'll try to give you a heads up when the site is updated. Thor2000 (talk) 23:19, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Season 9 Layout
Please keep me updated on the color scheme of the wikia once Season 9 kicks in, so I could modify the info banner templates accordingly. Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 16:27, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't active much, but is anybody changing the color scheme for the new season? RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  16:32, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think we are going to, eventually. The theme of our site changed from the black-white Leviathan theme to the black-orange tablet hieroglyphs in the early season 8 era. Although I don't know who is in charge of such changes. FTWinchester (talk) 17:06, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I wasn't aware of it because I joined this site when the season was 3/4th finished. It must be Caleb or Imperiex, as admins have access to the Theme Designer  RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  17:11, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Most likely. Anyway, I just need hexcodes and I'm good to go. I just left the message here so that when we change our layouts, the banner templates won't look off. FTWinchester (talk) 17:20, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sure :)  RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  17:26, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Would this color blend in nicely with the new background? Do you think the smoke or the charred wings are better to use as basis? Also, are there options to change the hyperlink font color of the whole site? FTWinchester (talk) 15:18, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Featured Poll+Images
Does our featured poll and Featured images ever change? Plus, the Featured Images section has a coding error. FTWinchester (talk) 18:47, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the featured poll is still going strong. People continue to vote for their favourite demon. I'll change the featured images. About the coding error, like I said before, it is due to the Countdown's code. The guy who wrote the code tried his best, but said that he couldn't edit the Mediawiki pages without admin access. So I let it be because I planned to remove the Countdown code once S9 starts. Due to which, the featured images coding error would be gone. RaghavD  Heck yes, I'm so ODD!!  04:50, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Alright then. It's just that I thought the poll has been static for so long. FTWinchester (talk) 05:48, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

User issues
Guys, I don't know if this is appropriate, but I hope it is, and that I'm not overstepping my boundaries. I can't help but notice the conversation between Johnsummers5000 and ThisOnePerson, which involves claims of stalking. I don't know if the admins could do something about it (maybe do some research and block the abuser if proven). I just hope it doesn't escalate into something serious. FTWinchester (talk) 02:37, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

I banned the idiot. Hopefully crisis averted. RaghavD All I need is ONE life, ONE try, ONE breath, I'm ONE man  12:48, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, man. FTWinchester (talk) 13:12, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Template:D
Somebody restore the page for Template:D please. Our speedy deletion candidates aren't working properly without the template. I don't know why it was removed, or if there was a replacement used for it. FTWinchester (talk) 00:50, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Newer Episode Template
If you're a regular visitor of the Wiki, you'd have noticed that the episode template has been changed. Now I had no hand in it, but I'd like to know whether the community likes the new template or if the older one should be restored. RaghavD '"I'm beginning to feel like a Rap God"  17:19, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

We need to at least change the color scheme to match our theme. FTWinchester (talk) 17:36, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

I don't like it, to be honest. I think we should just restore the older template.  ♥  maris  ♥  we're going to heaven, clarence.  21:44, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Font/Format
Did we guys change font or something? Everything looks large. FTWinchester (talk) 19:34, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

That's Wikia's new Fluid Layout. RaghavD '"I'm beginning to feel like a Rap God"  05:54, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

It looks too block-y. I don't know. LOL. I hope I'll get used to it. FTWinchester (talk) 06:09, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Old, outdated pages (that may need updating)
46.5.79.114 21:16, December 10, 2013 (UTC) I just found some rather old pages from the time when Supernatural was aired on the WB, before the CW.

For example there is a page about the "Pad of Definitons" ( http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Pad_of_Definitions ) That was on the old Official Page of Supernatural, which is already the Second page that is somehow outdated ( http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Site ), as this page does not exist anymore and if you lick on the link to the WarnerBros Supernatural website you are redirected to the CW website, more precisely to the SPN page. But as that is very much a different website, I thought I'd try to draw some attention to this. I don't these wikia pages should be deleted, just maybe rewritten, like saying that the "Pad of Definitions" was something publishes on the old WB homepage or something, but that it doesn't exist anymore...

I don't know, I don't feel confident enough to make more than spelling corrections here on the page, so if someone wants to change it, it's probably be great :)

Thanks for your attention,

Helen.

BTW, if someone has found other pages like this, go ahead and link them...

Quote boxes
Why are we changing the quotes to look like that of Superwiki's? FTWinchester (talk) 02:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Truth be told, I don't really see how the boxes look like that of Superwiki's! Could you put a link here?Personally, I felt that the "Quote template" was really useless as you could just type a quote on the page, italicize it and both would look no different. I found the "Quoatation template" and used it on the pages. I felt it to be a better fit. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  12:14, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Here. FTWinchester (talk) 14:31, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Gothify our Wiki
There seems to be a contest on how goth we can make our wiki look. Is the community interested in participating? RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  05:25, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

That depends on the concept, I guess. Do you have any in mind? FTWinchester (talk) 14:32, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Not much is needed to be done. We'll need to change the font and probably add some pictures of ghosts/creatures (not like the ones found on SPN) to the main page. I have asked for help from the staff since I'm not aware of CSS and HTML. Will keep you upadated or probably spring a surprise on the Wiki's community :P. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  16:48, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

No, I personally, as a user, am not interested in contesting with other wikis on who's looks better. And I'll definitely voice my views if you bring this up again. Graphed wikis shouldn't put all this energy into, essentially, raving about who's is better. Granted it can be fun for some, therefore I'll be open minded as to what you want to do. Thanks for the offer. You're doing your job well. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:13 AM, January 14th 2014

Character Template Photos
Can we agree to keep previous character template photos somewhere in the article whenever we update the photo in the template? For example, I would like to change/update Dean's character template with a photo from the Season 9 finale (theoretically). Instead of just changing it outright, I would use the current photo in the template (say it was a photo from the Season 9 premiere) somewhere in his biography (ideally near the synopsis of the episode the photo appears in, which, in this case would be I think I'm Going to Like it Here) or in a photo gallery (we make a new subsection if we have to), and only then do I insert the new photo into the template. This way, visitors could keep track of the character's images throughout the course of the series. Does that sound alright? FTWinchester (talk) 18:47, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm alright with that, but the picture that's being swapped has to properly fit/coincide with the section you're putting it in (character biography, or any seasons, etc). So, like, putting a picture taken from season 9 wouldn't fit in season 5's section. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:14 PM, January 14th 2014


 * Yea, that's why I said it should ideally be near the synopsis of the episode the photo appears in. Thanks for your input. Hopefully somebody else agrees. FTWinchester (talk) 20:29, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. And don't you instigate me on what should be the proper profile picture (WASN'T saying you were instigating, I'm just bantering). It is just my opinion, but I prefer good quality pictures of good actors of the character. ;) John Winchester as Michael is the best one that I can remember being on there. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:35 PM, January 14th 2014


 * I think high-res photos are a given standard. I think the concern now is on characters with several vessels. FTWinchester (talk) 20:45, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Definitely, but not everyone seems to respect a simple standard like that. I have actually seen some pretty horrendous pictures. I'm not concerned with that; the best actor portraying the vessel is the best one that should be used. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:51 PM, January 14th 2014

Access to minor/recurring templates
Could someone give me access to these templates please? Or if you don't want to (I can't imagine why, though), could you just change the name field of the minor characters to have the font color as white (like the recurring)? Gray is a quite difficult to see given our black background. FTWinchester (talk) 21:02, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Are you requesting that we change the color of our character template? Even though I, personally, don't have a problem with it, I'll be considerate to the fact that you do and let this discussion grow and, if it's in the best interest of everyone as a whole, I'll go along with it. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:10 PM, January 14th 2014


 * No. Just the font color of the name field. Take a look at Samhain's page and compare it to Sam or Dean's pages. The names are clearly seen on main characters but not in minor characters. In fact, I could even argue it's a bit straining. FTWinchester (talk) 21:24, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, I now understand what you were asking. I have to be honest and tell you, that I can perfectly see Samhain's name. If it is straining for you, I absolutely have no problem with making it white like Dean and Sam's font color. Oh, sorry for me slugging through. ..Slow to the uptake, I just thought you meant something else. o.O -- ImperiexSeed, 4:31 PM, January 14th 2014


 * I just don't see why it has to be gray when we use white on other templates and white makes the perfect sense with a black background. No worries, I would have been confused, too, since templates generally are a bit too wordy/confusing to discuss. FTWinchester (talk) 21:38, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for understanding. Describing a template can be complicated, yes. Oh my, I did not realize, until a search, that the minor character template all have the name above grey. I'd ask Calebchiam to do this when he has time. I would help you out, and though I have technically created some templates, I must say that I referred to ones already previously made. So, therefore, I myself don't yet know how to make or edit them. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:48 PM, January 14th 2014


 * No problem. I think the fix goes like this:


 * Right by the first block of codes that ends with the tag /big, you could see a portion of the code like the one below (it's found on the fifth line)--


 * align="center" colspan=2 bgcolor="#000000" style="border-bottom:0px solid black; font-size:larger; color:gray;"


 * Merely change the color:gray to color:white and retain everything else and that should fix it. FTWinchester (talk) 22:00, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Let me know how it goes. You could copy the whole code before you start editing just to be safe. If you're uncomfortable with that, however, then I don't mind. I just hope the changes take effect soon. FTWinchester (talk) 22:12, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure anyone can edit templates. I would use the information you gave me, but the last time I edited a template (location or weapons) I screwed the whole thing up. The only reason I'm telling you this is because I'm really not the person to ask to edit template information. But I can, with certainty, tell you that Calebchiam can help you out with this. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:22 PM, January 14th 2014


 * I could access only the templates I myself have created, and very few of the pre-existing ones. When I try to view the source code for the minor templates I get the message: 'You do not have permission to edit this page...'. Anyway, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, then I'll just wait. FTWinchester (talk) 22:26, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Article clean-up
Greetings, everyone. Just a few reminders:


 * I would like to urge everyone to please use past tense in narratives (more here) and convert any articles you've come across that aren't in the proper tense.

I'm trying to clean up our articles starting with the major ones, however, this would need everbody's effort. Thanks! FTWinchester (talk) 15:27, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Additionally, please avoid using contractions (i.e., isn't, would've, they're) in article pages, and use them only in talk pages or blog posts.
 * In writing articles, please use references. Using references (instead of saying, "In (episode name), blah blah blah...") provides more concise articles, and a more formal/academic look. Additionally, this would allow readers to peruse narratives from an in-universe point of view in a more streamlined manner, as opposed to an episodic narrative. (Related, use dates whenever given). More importantly, references allows easy review and verification, and it helps prevent inclusion of subjective/baseless statements (use references on especially controversial/debatable topics!) Of course, there are instances when naming the episode is unavoidable, especially if the said episode deals with a stand-alone story (has the Monster-of-the-week format) but provides key information about something else (usually the major arc or the actions of a Big Bad).
 * If unsure on how to go, you don't want to upset an editor who wrote most of the page/section, and/or you don't have enough time in cleaning up an entire article, but it is obvious that a certain page or section needs work, add the template Improvement to notify other contributors. Even if no one has the will to work on a whole block of text, it would eventually drive some to work on the article just so we could get rid of the huge-ass template.

hhaaaaayyy gurl spn for the win

Anon vandals
Admins, there have been several vandalisms the past few days. Drop the banhammer please. FTWinchester (talk) 20:38, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Wikia Icon
Just my five cents, but the new icon on the upper left hand of the wikia is not only hard to read, it also looks a bit off as well. FTWinchester (talk) 16:45, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Erm... I'm not liking it too much either Gurgatory (talk) 19:17, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

It's really cloudy, I agree, but do either of you have a better one in mind? -- ImperiexSeed, 5:32 PM, April 27th 2014

I wish dude but I'm not much of a designer :( Gurgatory (talk) 00:01, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Me neither, which is fine. I'm not going to bleep out anyone's opinions, but, illegibly, it's not that bad, but I agree it should be tended to. Either critique it to be more legible or do another banner. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:38 PM, April 27th 2014

I agree. I think mostly the problem is that it isn't transparent and also the font seems childish. Idk. Gurgatory (talk) 01:54, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

I have uploaded a quickie...Its 4 am and im tired, so its the best I could do with an idea, if you like the idea, but feel I failed to launch with it, Ill whip up a new one tommorow. its already uploaded on the site. Winchester7314 (talk) 07:53, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Dang! I personally like it a lot but I don't want my opinion contributed to its usage. If it's not already, making it transparent would be awesome, if possible. Gurgatory (talk) 12:32, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Well it was my first time at doing such a thing. So I admit that it wasn't perfect. Believe me when I say this, but I created some nice logos, but due to the conditions for the pic (see below), they went straight to the Recycle Bin.

@Winchester7314, that's a really cool pic. Btw, there are a few conditions for the logo to be uploaded. It should be in 'png' format and its dimensions have to be 250X60 pixels. I will reduce the pic to the required dimensions and if it's still good, I'll upload the same. I'll let you know here or on your talk page.

Anybody have a problem with the pic contributed by Winchester7314? RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  14:37, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

See nothing wrong with it and nice job, Winchester7314! I like it. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:38 PM, April 28th 2014

Looks awesome. Good job! FTWinchester (talk) 22:00, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Again, the icon that you did is quite well done. I'm lost, cause I don't think there's a guideline remotely dictating that. Could you point me where it says that? -- ImperiexSeed, 6:25 PM, April 28th 2014

@ImperiexSeed: There's a brown tool bar at the bottom of the screen. Point your mouse on the My Tools part of it and click on Theme Designer. In the Theme Designer, click on Word Mark and you can see the rest. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  04:14, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Since the spin-off was cancelled, should we not revert the icon back to it's original state? Gabriel456 (talk) 22:07, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, the time spent on it feels waisted, but that spinoff never shouldve been. It pulled a shakespear 'To be or not to be?' Winchester7314 (talk) 08:42, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Got Samulet Info?
So I'm really curious to see if anyone has done any actual research on the Samulet. I know that it isn't a made up amulet, because Eric and Jensen said they picked it up in Sacramento, but won't tell anyone what it is. I've also heard that it is the same thing as an evil eye or the Hamsa, But has anyone see anything about what it actually depicts or symbolizes? From what I can tell it's nothing too bad, but I kind of would like to know what I'm walking around with on my neck. If you have any answers, that would be extremely helpful.(: Sophiagriffis (talk) 23:40, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

1. I get why you are curious, as to why I felt the need to do research on pentagrams before getting the tattoo I want to get(dont mess with evil stuff ;P)

2. In order to explain this correctly, you must know that by season 4, they actually changed the necklace just a tad bit. To be honest, I don't think there was really anything to the necklace. The original necklace featured a hole facing in and out, not out the side, and was held to the necklace by a second loop. That is a sure sign of 'unauthentic' jewelry. By season 4, they made a slight bit more detailed necklace, that only feature one loop facing out the sides as part of the amulet. Regardless off wether it was an amulet for evil intentions or not, the only consumer aquirable amulets are mereley replicas, and not the real deal.

3. the amulet around your neck, and please dont take offense to this, is a very poor one. it is a flat, double sided attempt at not looking like the real thing. If you would prefer a better one, and are willing to pay a little bit more(around $40-50) then here is a link to a far more accurate replica. Deans Amulet Replica Winchester7314 (talk) 00:25, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Back ground
Why is the background picture not showing up? Why is it just black?

Research Paper!!
Hi everyone! I am a high school English student and in class we are doing research papers. For my topic, I chose to write about why Supernatural is such a big phenomenon, why Eric Kripke created the show, why the main characters wanted their roles, and why fans are so passionate about the show. For this last part, I was hoping to get some actual fans to sort of interview and feature their viewpoint of the show in my research as primary sources. I wish to seek out why people love it so much, what about the show has captured so many into watching it, what have people learned from the show, etc. If you are interested in giving me your input or have ideas of questions I should be asking, please feel free to chat me so we can get started! I am truly excited to explore the reasons behind this spectacular show! And if I get enough support from here, I would like to post updates on what I find during my research! Also if any of you can contact the main characters, producers, or directors and ask them to speak with me about my research, I would LOVE the chance to speak with them! And I would DEFINITELY share what they tell me with all of you! Thank you and I hope to hear from some of you!

Hello. I'm glad you are doing your paper on this amazing show! I consider myself the biggest Supernatural fan, and I try to know as much about it as humanly possible. If you would like, I would love to talk to you, and help you out with your paper. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 17:37, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

NEW LAYOUT IMAGES!
NEW LAYOUT IMAGES! I've added new images to be used for the background and logo :) Also the color of the wikia bar should be changed to fit accordingly :) Winchester7314 (talk) 06:31, October 8, 2014 (UTC)





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I don't why they didn't change the background or the logo, they didn't updated anything :D i know that it has been one day but come on Season 10 is here wooow i don't believe it :DMXViper (talk) 15:50, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

That is a really good logo. As for the background, I'll see which hex code comes close to the colour and change it. The wiki has been mono chromatic for way too long. I'm not familiar with changing the wiki's navigation bar. I've tried it once, but needs to be coded using CSS. I don't know anything about it. Anybody who is familiar or an expert can message me. Finally, does anybody have any objections to changing the Wiki's background? RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  16:20, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I like the background with the full devils trap ( the first one above ).--Omniscience2k (talk) 16:37, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I liked that one too. Let's us see if more users would respond. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  16:39, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

The one with the full devils trap is definately a better pick. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 17:05, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I liked the devil's trap one too, but I figure I'd add options :P Winchester7314 (talk) 17:08, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Empyrean, can you take a look at the Theme Designer? I'm unable to make the background picture appear. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  17:15, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing buddy. I just updated it now. Tell me if it is, or is not appearing on your device. Do you think we should change the color of the buttons and links to match the new background? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 18:15, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't show for me either...EDIT...nvm jumped the gun, now it shows :) Winchester7314 (talk) 18:49, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

In addition to changing the background, I changed the color of the links and buttons to match the new background. Please tell me what you think, and if you want anything changed, let me know. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:48, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I made a new logo for the wiki, but I'm having a hard time adding it. It says it has too many pixels, and when I shrink the pixels to the correct size, you can't even see the logo! Can anther admin please convert the pic to the correct size and make it the logo? Thanks! EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:22, October 9, 2014 (UTC)



Looks amazing. Was the episode any good, though? I heard they made Crowley pick-up Sam's line "Jerk", which is totally not cool. FTWinchester (talk) 01:42, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. And I thought the episode was just "ok". It was kinda anticlimactic, and Carver (yet again) screwed up the mythology for the sake of humor. And yes, they did use the "Jerk Bitch" thing. Anyways, do you know how to convert the pic into the appropriate settings to upload? EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 01:53, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

This looks SO good. Except that black gap just like the last theme. Gourgeist (talk) 07:15, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

I realize now that it's probably intentional lol. Looks good if you look at it like that, then. Gourgeist (talk) 07:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Background picture, should appear in the background. Which isn't happening. There is only black on the background. I'm using a laptop, which shouldn't cause throw up any problems. Wonder why that is? Even the previous theme had the same problem. I won't change anything, just play around and try to figure out. If it doesn't help, I'll just give up. By the way, the logo should be a png. Jpg won't do. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  12:35, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

This is weird. The logo keeps reverting back to the one that is above, even though I changed it a couple of times. Here's your modified pic. Why don't you give it a try. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  12:49, October 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Never mind, it's fine now. Is that how you wanted it? RaghavD  '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  12:51, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's great. Thanks so much. :) EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 14:00, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry but one minor detail bothered me, so I saved the image, and turned the black to alpha, so it didn't make the homepage look cheap. So a transparent version of Empyrean's logo is uploaded Winchester7314 (talk) 14:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

The background's very cool, but could we change the links back to yellow at least, it's hazily really hard to see with everything being blue, blue, blue over blue, blue, blue, on blue, blue, blue, you know? -- ImperiexSeed, 1:18 PM, October 9th 2014

The old title sequence was mostly yellow, and the yellow links looked fine there. Also, I can see the links clearly. Although since your having a hard time, I will find a more suitable color when I have the time. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 20:14, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Supernatural Spin-Off Ideas
From tv.com -

Idea originally posted on a reddit -

Since they do have a open mind about what the fans think, I managed to gather a whole bunch of spin-off ideas while looking online and hopefully one of them strikes a light bulb. I want to share them with you guys. If you think it's worth it, tweet one of these ideas to any of the guys. Let them know what you think :) If it's any spin-off ideas you all might want to see, make your voices heard. Omniscience2k (talk) 22:18, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Supernatural - Wizard of Oz
 * Supernatural - Silent Hill
 * Supernatural - Jurassic Park
 * Supernatural - Men of Letters
 * Supernatural - The Titans
 * Supernatural - The Campbell's
 * Supernatural - Young Mary Winchester
 * Supernatural - John Winchester's Journal
 * Supernatural - Samuel Colt & The Wild Wild West
 * Supernatural - Croatoan Epidemic
 * Supernatural - The Natural Order ( Starring Death )
 * Supernatural - Bobby's Garage ( Including Rufus )
 * Supernatural - The Next Generation ( Krissy Chambers )
 * Supernatural - Long Live The Queen ( Re-rise of Abaddon )
 * Jensen Ackles -
 * Jared Padelecki -
 * Misha Collins -
 * Mark Sheppard -
 * Guy Norman Bee -

So, ever since the news of a potential new spin-off being discussed was disclosed, I thought it might be a good idea post in a blog my list of favorite spin-off topics and invite the loyal fandom of this show to discuss it. After all, if what Kripke, the other producers and the CW's president want to do with such an attempt is to capitalize is Supernatural's loyal and consistent fandom, they should probably take into consideration what the mayority of the fans would like to see that would also be set on that universe. So here is my blog post: http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:San_Layn/Spin-off_topics_I_would_consider_watching?s=wl#

Feel free to copy/paste it on other websites and forums with heavy supernatural fandom presence to spread the word.San Layn (talk) 15:29, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Red lining over character boxes
Is this purposeful? What's the meaning behind it? Why is it there? It looks extremely off and honestly, I mistook it as a glitch at first. Gourgeist (talk) 03:57, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Probably a carry over from last season's color scheme. FTWinchester (talk) 00:26, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Id have fixed it myself but it's locked for some reason. Funny. I used to be able to edit the templates no problem. FTWinchester (talk) 00:32, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I'd assume that but it wasn't like that when the theme was first added. I thought it was on purpose actually, so maybe it's a mistake or glitch on Wikia's part. Gourgeist (talk) 02:09, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

No problem. If that's the case, then, yeah, it must be a glitch. FTWinchester (talk) 02:54, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Can admins fix this? Or at least make it open for others. Templates used to be accessible anyway. It's not like you actually give time to fix these templates by the look of things. FTWinchester (talk) 04:27, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's a glitch in the wiki, but I'll try to fix it. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 04:38, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Should Locations be added to the bar on top of the pages?
next to Spells and Objects should Locations be added for places like Heaven, Earth, Hell, Purgatory, Bobby's House, and Men of Letters Bunker?

Season 11 Title Card
New Wiki main image if you're interested. I found it on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Supernatural/comments/3o0x28/mediaany_of_you_guys_noticed_this_on_the_new_intro/

http://i.imgur.com/pHnzHNH.png

TO ALL ACTIVE USERS
Please take a look at the main/home page and indicate if the page is loading properly for you with the proper format or otherwise. I'm seeing the browse section in one column as opposed to the grouped row+column we had prior. Your input is much appreciated. Thank you. FTWinchester (talk) 13:53, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

I noticed it a week ago. A Wikia Staff (MarkvA )offered to remove multiple templates on our Main Page and make it simpler but retaining the old look. The new page looked just like the old one too. Then the other Staff made some changes in the Slider and I think some extra code got in there. I even checked the Edit History and tried to copy and paste the code like it was before the Slider edits, but that didn't work. I was meaning to ask Mark, but kept forgetting it. The thing is, on my talk page, he left a link for the demo version of the main page and even that has all the Browse section elements in a column. RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  17:13, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Attention ADMINS
Hey all! I was just noticed that the slideshow on the main page is a bit out of date. It list the last episode as "O Brother Where art Thou." It also has Season 10 as listed as being where we left off. I'd fix this myself but this page is protected. I was wondering if one of the admins could take care of this issue?? Bkshadows (talk)

Hello, Bkshadows. Seraph and I, are aware and we will update the main page. It was brought up when we were discussing areas of improvement for the wiki. Please be patient, we have a lot of work to do. Zane T 69 (talk) 23:02, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Appreciate the quick response Zane! of course! I just wasn't even sure if anyone had noticed. Bkshadows (talk)