Talk:Death

24.185.18.5 13:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)This is just a minor question...but is Death more powerful than Lucifer? If so, how? What about the rest of the four horsemen?

yes he is more powerful, death is death not just a horseman he is death itself, nothing is stronger then him, in the end god will be reaped by him, Lucifer did basically what the faith healer's wife did to a reaper but on death, to putt it simply death might be a horseman but that is not all he is, the info box really do not give him justice and what not, as for the rest of them, i do not know but maybe...but maybe notFaustfan 19:38, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * i didn't get it, the creator is less power than the thing "he" created? how can death itself "reap" someone who is immortal to the core like the creator? in the series god is described as the same god people believes in. "supreme deity" "whose power has no match" "begginning and the end of all things" "he can create a rock suppose to be heavier enough for him to can't lift, but he can lift that rock with ease afterall" "he is a divine chuck norris"


 * you may be thinking "alright God is the creator but Death is the destroyer" polar opposites whose powers are equally strong. but think like that "the creator" created even the death itself. and what about to "ring" thing, death relies on some sort of trinket to boost his powers up while god is almighty without any legendary equipments.


 * in fairy tale sense, god can kick every ass in sight, and dont have an ass to be kicked. thats why he put an ass to every creation of his.i cant believe i wrote all that crap anyway.
 * Who says God made Death? It is never stated what exactly the horsemen are and Death himself states that neither he nor God remembers who is older. If Death is older than God, how could he have created Death? Even if Death is younger than God, who says he made him? And Death IS more powerful than God, or at least truly immortal, as Death cannot be killed but God can. Perhaps when everything else dies, Death will become obsolete or die too, as the horsemen seem to be as strong as the problem they represent (Thus, Death is the strongest of all, followed by Pestilence, War and finally Famine).
 * Who says God made Death? It is never stated what exactly the horsemen are and Death himself states that neither he nor God remembers who is older. If Death is older than God, how could he have created Death? Even if Death is younger than God, who says he made him? And Death IS more powerful than God, or at least truly immortal, as Death cannot be killed but God can. Perhaps when everything else dies, Death will become obsolete or die too, as the horsemen seem to be as strong as the problem they represent (Thus, Death is the strongest of all, followed by Pestilence, War and finally Famine).


 * It is never stated that Death IS the creator of the reapers. It is only said that he is the boss. Bobby said that he was (The Angel of Death or Big Daddy Reaper) but that was more of a point. But to be free of speculation on both parts I wrote that as the potential creator etc. This way it doesn't give speculation to that Death is or isn't the creator of the reapers.: The Twilight of Your Despair 21:52, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Question not the title or powers themselves. But more of what is wriiten. Bobby states the last time Death was around Noah was building a boat. And Death states that Lucifer was making him due things like Huricanes, floods, raising the dead. Yes it does seem like he could have started the Greet Flood. But isn't that sepeculation as no one not even him directly states or even really hints to that exact event.: The Twilight of Your Despair 22:24, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, it's not speculation! Bobby states Heaven used him to start the Great Flood, hence he would be hydrokinetic. Just so you know, I, ImperiexSeed, do not post any speculation on any page! -- ImperiexSeed, 8:23 PM, January 14th 2012


 * http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=5.10_Abandon_All_Hope_%28transcript%29
 * http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=5.21_Two_Minutes_To_Midnight_%28Transcript%29
 * Read them and it never directly states that Death caused the Bibicial Great Flood.

As in Death. The horseman. The pale rider in the flesh.
 * And to show you direct quotes of the shows transcripts.
 * From 5.10 Abandon All Hope.
 * BOBBY

DEAN Unleash? I mean, hasn't Death been tromping all over the place? Hell, I've died several times myself.

BOBBY Not this guy. This is—this is the angel of death. Big daddy reaper. They keep this guy chained in a box six hundred feet under. Last time they hauled him up, Noah was building a boat. That's why the place is crawling with reapers. They're waiting on the big boss to show.


 * From 5.21 Two Minutes To Midnight
 * DEAN So, then why am I still breathing, sitting here with you? Uh...w-what do you want?

DEATH The leash around my neck --off. Lucifer has me bound to him. Some unseemly little spell. He has me where he wants, when he wants. That's why I couldn't go to you. I had to wait for you to catch up. He made me his weapon. Hurricanes, floods, raising the dead. I'm more powerful than you can process, and I'm enslaved to a bratty child with a temper tantrum.

These are official transcripts of the show. While it could be thought that Death did cause the great flood it in the show never openly stated it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:49, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Its not personal. Read those transcripts if you doubt me I ever well could be wrong. But I to the best of my knowledge I never heard or read that part.: The Twilight of Your Despair 01:49, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Geez, you put things far into context, making them too literal! They're called context clues, man, all you have to do is follow them. I mean, the show didn't explicitly say Death did it, but his power is immense, why else would Heaven had unleashed him?! Death's made tsunamis and rain storms, therefore he's hydrokinetic, it's just that simple. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:01 PM, January 15th 2012


 * True I will even state that its a 80% chance he did cause it or at least his summoning caused it. However I am only trying to help. You say keep the main articles completely sepeculation free. That is understandable. But if you use content clues to come up with common held theories than overs can argue. "Oh he/she is an admin so they can use anything to make sepeculation if it makes sense." Personally on one wants to hear that. And if you leave it, reword it, keep it doesn't bother me. However think of it for your sake. A little advice from someone whom is NOT mocking or insulting you. I also keep the idea that at the LEAST Death had something to do with the Great Flood Personally. But others that might disagree with you may even call you a hypocrite.
 * That if you make a reasonable conclusion from content clues that they can do that same. But what others define as content clues and secepulation varies. Again its not personal but I see all to often admins get bullied or mock and then ban users. And then those user go to the Wikia staff and get there admin rights revoked. Anyway I'll drop it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:03, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping, I appreciate it! You know what, I guess you're right, it is just speculation. However, the way I see it, either God or Death made the Flood, making at least one of them hydrokinetic; although, Death created may disasters having to do with water, just something to think about. Actually, defining context clues doesn't vary, it's typically the same. If someone wants to make judgement by calling me a hypocrite, then fine. I'll ponder this, and will let you know what I come up with. Again, thanks for your help. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:13 PM, January 15th 2012


 * True about Content Clues that I was a bit off. It more of what other might say what is or could be a content clue. But I agree that the very least Death had something to do with it.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:17, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

So I just read on Death's page under him being bound but there has been absolutely no evidence that it was the angels who bound Death and put him in a coffin 600 feet under. It could've been God or Death went under voluntarily as the reapers were upholding the Natural Order without him.

Also it says that the page can't be edited but clearly it has been and some of the info seems biased and written by a religious fanatic.

Factually wrong information
The Page about Death is factually inaccurate. It has been stated several times in the show that he will kill god some day in the fare future. That he can NOT die (not even god can kill him). Why can't this page be edited to correct it? - CertusAt 15:08, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * He just said that, a mundane claim, that's all it was. Plus, if anything, what he probably meant, was that after God's work is done, he will allow himself to be taken by Death. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:01 PM, June 3rd 2012


 * That is speculation, you have nothing to go on here. Clearly there are only 2 paths to go. Either we post what the show states (we have no reason to believe death would lie) or we never take anything for fact that could be untrue and make this clear in the Wiki itself. For sure the solution can not be to add things that where never stated in the show. (like god being able to kill death) - CertusAt 15:08, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I really don't wanna sound like a dick but you seem to screw with this wikis authenticity because of some personal religious views. Clearly i can't do anything about this but i guess people should spread the word that this wiki is inaccurate and should not be used as a source for unbiased information about the show. CertusAt 15:30, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Possibly, maybe... perhaps, I don't know. Then what's one suppose to do with comments like, "no one makes Dad [God] do anything" (implying NO one can stand up to him), from Lucifer. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:51 AM, June 3rd 2012


 * Plus, Joshua said: "He knows already, everything you want to tell him", to the boys. Which means he knows everything, Death, however, do not.


 * Speculation on my part but if both beings can supposedly do everything, why can't they just turn off their omniscience? And God clearly doesn't know everything when not even he knows who is older between Him and Death.


 * "no one makes Dad do anything" Doesn't mean nobody CAN make him do something. It just means that nobody does. Death clearly believes in a "natural order" as he demonstrates in the episode where he gives Dean "his job" for one day. God and Death don't know which one is older, omniscience gos out the window with that one, but then you could accuse Death of lying again. Why he would do that is beyond me. In S7E1 Dean and Death talk about killing god, it is clearly implied again that he can do it. In the end we have nothing to go on but Death's word, than again we have no other source. So either you put in what the show tells us or you don't put in things that haven't been proven 100% in the show. Either way simply stating that Death can be killed by God but not visa versa is intellectually dishonest. CertusAt 23:44, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Death being wrong.

Okay, the page mentions Death being wrong on one occasion and the newest edit on God's page said that Death was wrong on something. What was it that Death was wrong on? I don't recall anything that he has said was ever wrong.L4D2 Ellis 20:36, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * He f*ucked up. He said he was summoned and bound due to Sam's hallucinations, but really Dean wanted him to kill Cas, while wielding all of Purgatory's souls. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:52 PM, July 2nd 2012


 * That was something Death assumed, he never said that he knew for sure. Everything else that he did know for certain, he was right about.L4D2 Ellis 20:58, July 2, 2012 (UTC)