Talk:The Darkness

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-God so Darkness is supposed to be Anti-God right? The-Real-Ironwill (talk)

Not necessary. It is the Darkness that comprised reality before creation or even God existed. And as it took more than just himself to beat it, shows that The Darkness isn't below God like most Anti-Gods are.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:01, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Could it be that the Darkness managed to infect the leviathans, and that's why the leviathans consume everything in their path? Btw, can't sign in from where I am, so I'll just sign it manually.

-Bryan Tassava

Horsemen and the Darkness might have link to each other.It is said God didn't create the Horsemen.There is a high chance Darkness is the source of these entities because all of them consist dark aspects like Darkness itself

The-Real-Ironwill - May 26 2015 / GMT+2 18:00


 * Hmmm. That could work, but I don't think it's the case. I would say the Horsemen sprung into existence at the very moment of the introduction of their attribute to the universe. So, Death, then Famine, then War, and then Pestilence. -- ImperiexSeed, 11:06 AM, May 26th 2015

This might explain why Lucifer was so evil, he was just corrupted by the Darkness by having the Mark of Cain.

Do you think destruction of Mark of Cain has a chance to bring Lucifer back to his factory settings? Becoming a good angel again?

The-Real-Ironwill May 27th 2015 19:56(GMT+2)

It seems pretty similar in concept to the Primordial Darkness, an unfathomably powerful entity from DC Comics which was introduced in Swamp Thing. It existed before the dawn of Creation but was banished from the rest of existence by God when the multiverse was created. When it finally entered reality, not even the combined might of the archangels, the demons (Lucifer included) and various other supernatural entities could slow it down, and the entirety of existence was threatened.

Ultimately, it was revealed that the Darkness wasn't truly evil, and had actually been the same entity as God before they split, and it was just trying to understand the meaning of its existence. Upon being informed by Swamp Thing that Light and Darkness were two sides of the same coin and meant to coexist, it reached out towards Heaven and God responded in kind, and they ended up becoming one again.

Lafiel1980 (talk) 20:50, May 29, 2015 (UTC)Lafiel1980

amortality and immortality are not the same thing,you can search for it online...

The-Real-Ironwill

I know what they mean, immortality mean can't die amortality means can't die because it never was alive. However, can you say with complete assurance that the darkness isn't alive at all? Death called it amoral meaning indifferent and a force similar to himself which is a force/concept. Immortality is just a rough term we use here than means can't die. We list the requirements of the immortality.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:10, June 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Who confirmed that The Darkness is immortal? I thought it was an (un)written rule on any wikia, that no article should contain "crystal ball" facts (i.e. speculation). I just finished watching the Season 10 finale and don't recall The Darkness being defined as immortal. God could have just sealed it, because he wanted to allow his angels a choice. The agenda possiblities of omniscient beings are endless, so I'd suggest removing The Darkness as an immortal character, at least until it's officially confirmed. Achiox 04:46, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Can an admin please unlock this page? I don't think anyone will screw with it anymore, and it could be edited. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 23:41, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

It will stay as a immortal character as it predates God and it was locked away for with the hope of forever. If it would natural die off that why keep it sealed. God could have just waited before beginning Creation. Now if the series says it completely lacks immortality aka eternal youth/agelessness and invulnerability I will change it myself.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 12:54, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

This... thing reminds me of concepts of primordial darkness like there were in Mayan beliefs. It's chaos and it's destructive not because it's necessarily evil - despite looking that way from our perspective - but simply because that's what it does. Like a flood that drowns people, animals and plants, I doubt the Darkness has agency or awareness (or at least I hope it doesn't). Depending on where they go with this, the Darkness could be a genuine Lovecraftian entity of amoral chaos and mindless destruction (not really malevolent, but unfeeling and unaware, a force of nature; basically what I hoped the Leviathans would be, when they ultimately turned out to be nothing like that). I wonder how beings of order like God came into existence in the first place. What would've triggered that? He and his angels in particular are the orderly, sometimes even stagnant antithesis to the sort of dynamic, destructive and chaotic thing this is. I wonder what the connection between it and demons is exactly. At least visually, they are extremely similar. But demons - while they cause havoc - aren't really all that chaotic in a lot of instances we've witnessed. And they obviously have agency. Where the Darkness probably couldn't really be called evil, demons can. I hope I'm at least partially right on where they're going with this, because if the Darkness just becomes the next group of adversaries pretending to be humans, I'll be really disappointed with the waste of potential for a truly new and utterly different foe.

95.113.133.124 16:49, July 6, 2015 (UTC)Flo

Even the cast and crew interview stated a female pronoun to call the Darkness. But, it could have been a neutral way as many forces of nature are called she or her ( storms, the sea.) So list in the trivia that their was an interview calling the Darkness as a she. This way it keeps spoiler and bias content out. &#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 01:49, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Dabb, one of the writers of the show, said that the Darkness is a lady and is gonna have a hot body. Now while it can't put on articles as such because it hasn't been confirmed yet, it is pretty obvious that Amara, having an acid tongue and being seductively beautiful, is going to be the Darkness. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:34 AM, July 14th 2015

Because who is to say they won't change their minds. Beside, Seed according to the wikia policies you put into place when you were an admin, no spoiler content on pages. &#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:05, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Death described the Darkness as amoral, not immoral, and so it isn't really correct to describe it as evil. 81.137.222.150 09:01, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'm gonna add some information on the Darkness based on this episode.

Corruption
Should we list corruption to her powers? She infected/corrupted humans into rapid monsters. As well as corrupts and binds to anyway that holds the mark. Even if freed from it, She said she was connected to him.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 04:37, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think it is safe to assume, that she caused the illness of these people. That dark substance that flowed out of the body of the women who was killed by Sam really reminded me on Leviathans. I would say it is either corruption by Biokinesis or corruption by soul manipulation, however the latter should not cause dark bleeding. I think we are close to know why Leviathans are that flawed. Lambda1 (talk) 05:02, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it should be like an after affect, until we know how she uses it. Like Corrupting Presence, as we don't know foresure, if she willingly did that or if the release of her did that to those unlucky to be touched by the Darkness. Also, I think it's safe to assume, that Death might have witnessed the original War of the Darkness. He just not have met her personally. And only was told of what she was, by God as they had some kind of acquaintance with each other.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 06:39, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should wait until next episode airs, to gain more information on that matter. If Death was not around during the war against The Darkness, it would make him younger than the archangels. Another option would be that he came somewhere inside The Darkness into existence without Amara recognized it. On the other hand, maybe she just lies, spreads mistrust, chaos and manipulates Dean, because well - she is The Darkness. Lambda1 (talk) 20:21, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I just think Death had no personal dealings with the Darkness. He only knows of what God maybe have told him.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:51, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Baby Amara
You all saw it, didn't you? The baby Dean saved is called Amara and has the Mark of Cain. Maybe that baby born at the time as the Darkness was released and it reincarnated in Amara or something like that. (Rakoon1 (talk) 08:59, October 8, 2015 (UTC))

I agree, it seems obvious that the baby is the darkness reincarnated as a human, she was born right when the darkness was released. Hiding as a sweet innocent child is the perfect disguise. I believe she only appeared to Dean as a beautiful woman to manipulate him. That speech about how Dean could never harm her makes me think, Dean will probably try and protect the baby through out the course of the season. I have a feeling some how the baby will probably end up rapidly ageing and end up as the beautiful woman Dean spoke to. Only then, will Dean come to terms with the fact that they need to destroy her. As long as she's a young child, both Winchesters will probably do nothing but try to protect her.

Anyway Jeremy Carver said we should think of this episode and the next one as a big mystery. Cant wait to find out more next week! (Bkshadows (talk)


 * I don't think they would protect her if they know that she is The Darkness. As far as we know, she can take any physical appearance she wishes. (Lambda1) 95.112.212.157 21:35, October 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Remember 11/02 trailer,Crowley sensed baby's power outside the building.Archangels sensed her presence inside the cage in Hell.That means God already knows.The real problem is Dean.If she has done that to a baby,she can turn Dean into nuclear(it is obvious she is able to grant powers to others)She already started poisoning his mind. Ironwill (talk) UTC 07:23 PM 10/12/2015

She has a distributed mind/consciousness and I think she could even take the form of a star is she wanted to. The baby itself is probably just one piece of her. Dean is probably somehow involved in the creation of that baby, the flashbacks gave some hints... Lambda1 (talk) 20:26, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Those are your opinions and shouldn't be reflected in the article. All we know for now is that the darkness is the woman that spoke to Dean. Whatever connection the baby with the mark has will be revealed at a later date. It could be the baby is needed to seal away the darkness but we don't know. Until we do, there is no point shoving your baseless opinions into the article.

It is implied, no wiki is limited to include only what is directly mentioned in the show, sorry, but that would make this wiki really poor.

Someone add disease manipulation or creation to this list

Misinterpretation

There's something off about one of the powers listed; the Darkness is not immortal. To be immortal implies a living being that cannot be killed in any way. The Darkness is not a living being. It's power is called AMORTALITY; it cannot be killed because it was never alive to begin with.

Master-of-Spells (talk) 03:19, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Immortality is listed on both the God and Death pages, yet God has been stated to be able to die and Death is already dead. So, no being on the show is technically immortal.

As for the Darkness, how do we know it's amortal? How do we know it's not, or has never been technically alive?

Toe Knee 17 (talk) 00:30, October 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Darkness is older than Death, would the term "Dying" and therefore mortality be applicable to The Darkness, Death would be as old as The Darkness. Lambda1 (talk) 00:52, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware we knew who was oldest for definite. God and Death can't remember who's older between them, yet Death clearly remembers the war between God and The Darkness, so the three of them must have existed for an incalculable amount of time before the war even began. Toe Knee 17 (talk) 20:41, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, Amara said she doesn't know Death who was, assuming she said the truth, it is possible that Death only knows of the war because God or the archangels told him. Maybe he was around but hid from The Darkness. Lambda1 (talk) 21:44, October 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Certainly raises a lot of questions. I just hope The Darkness doesn't turn out to be simply a physical being. Meaning, dependant on a body. It was described by Death as a force, just like Death himself really. She should be like the Horsemen, as in, she can choose when, where and how she manifests in physical form. Toe Knee 17 (talk) 00:42, October 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I hope so as well, but as she already manifested as black smoke (it's reasonable to say it's her true form), I think she could always change back to this. Even if Amara was "just" a vision as she talked to Dean, what's the concern ? But with her power, she surely can build herself any body she wishes atom by atom. Lambda1 (talk) 00:55, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Soul eating
Amara has the power to absorb souls and convert it into energy to growCalvincambridge30 (talk) 02:20, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Famine reincarnation? Ironwill(talk) 10/15/2015 07:43 AM(UTC)

I don't think Amara has the ability to Shapeshift without the use of souls so the description is inaccurate.73.141.35.196 15:24, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

We might wanna take away nigh-omiscence because Amara had to learn how the universe works.

So The Darkness devowers souls and demons like Famine did? But God created souls later on so what did she eat before?
 * Everything she could. I think The Darkness duplicated itself, the young Amara is the new Darkness, sharing it's memory with the old Darkness, while the old Darkness is still around, waiting to reunite with her. Maybe The Darkness itself has a distributed mind.Lambda1 (talk) 22:10, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * No Amara is The Darkness and she is weak. 89.204.130.80 22:24, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

I would not really call it shapeshifting really because the only thing that changes about Amara is that she gets older after she eats the souls of demons and people but she does not shapeshift into what the person looks like. Plus Iam still confused on how God and Amara are siblings if Amara is supposedly the darkness. I think Amara being god's sister must mean she must be half good and half not,Amara did help Dean out with Crowley recently.
 * There is no true God in Supernatural (or at least, the true God hasn't been revealed yet), Chuck is really weak. 89.204.130.80 22:28, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

The Darkness is a joke so far
The Darkness is a joke, as all she's done so far, is suck up the essences of things, and it even showed in a promo for next week's ep, her whacking Crowley over the head with a laptop, and she's suppose to be "mightier" than Chuck? This is almost embarrassingly laughable. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:30 AM, November 8th 2015

Be kind of lame if she was (mightier than God) from the moment of her release. Maybe she needed to (born) and regrow into the amoral force Death called her. Also maybe being sealed for billions or more years weakened her to the lowest level. But please keep opinion off the talk page Seed. Your views are fine and I respect freedom to say them. However the talk pages are for discussing own alterations to the page's contents.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 07:19, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

I agree, nothing she shows so far was that overwhelming. If The Darkness needs souls, she should just consume all souls in existence at once with a thought, the fact that God and the archangels couldn't kill her should imply such a power level. I can only hope that this Amara is just a duplicate of the true Darkness. If God and the archangels could not kill her, she may be indestructible, but from what we saw so far she is not even remotely nigh-omnipotent. 79.204.81.247 19:42, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

I believe God crumbled her consciousness and the universe she is in right now,is merely twisting her essence User:Ironwill (talk) 11:20 November 9th 2015

That is because she is god's sister she just has the mark of Cain on her,plus she is bound to Dean.

The Darkness' arc started interesting at the end of season 10, though they made it laughable. The Darkness is weak and can't even use telekinesis on Sam and Dean without hand gestures. Some random demon from season 1 used it on John Winchester without any hand gestures. The story had great potential but they made the worst out of it, I won't watch the next episode, I no longer care, SPN died after season 7. 89.204.130.80 22:22, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Was The Darkness responsible for the corruption of the Leiathans as well?
This question could of been answered but I am curious about the corrupting influence of the Darkness having a affect on turning Lucifer rogue and creating Cain, and other demons but did Amara/The Darkness responsible for the corruption of the Leviathans as well? This theory could easily be explained why the Leviathans converted to being so dark, hungry, and aggressive that God banish them to purgatory in the first place. (Dutchess12207 (talk) 02:35, November 10, 2015 (UTC))

Hold up. With God and the Darkness being the same being its doubtful who is older now. Also,should we put God and the Darkness into a species?

God's sister
I just watched the sixth episode of season 11 and I became astonished when I discovered that the Darkness is God's sister, probably older sister as she existed before him. I surely didn't see that coming. I mean, I knew they met each other before Creation, but I didn't expected God was her brother who betrayed her and sealed her just to bring Creation. Rakoon1 (talk) 12:43, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

I do not think anyone knows if she is older or younger then God because she Techincally starts out as a baby in first epsoide of Season 11 and plus God appeared in the first couple of seasons of the show before his sister did so Iam guessing Amara might be god's younger sister.


 * Yes, that came quit suprising. I think she wants to either seal her younger brother or kill him. She doesn't seem to be too evil and I don't think she would destroy all of his creations, she also seems to like Dean, so she won't destroy everything her brother created. From here on, I think it's obvious that the Darkness wants revenge. 93.132.42.109 13:03, November 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but what kind of revenge? Man, not knowing what will happen is killing me! I just hope some of her plans will be discovered very soon.

I think it might have to do with what Metatron(Marv) said in season 11 Epsoide 6 To Cas:God sacrificed his sister(so Iam guessing Amara might be god's younger sister she does start out as a baby for the first epsoide of season 11 and now she is in her teen years),and Amara is bound to Dean because Dean once had the mark of Cain and Amara has the mark of Cain on her.

srly?Amara is bound to Dean? :D what drugs u use?Amara is same as God,and according to Death Amara is older .. you even waching season11? 81.198.140.100 23:36, November 12, 2015 (UTC)ess

Could you please sign your posts ? Thank you ! Death said The Darkness ois older, therefore God is her younger brother. 89.204.155.193 21:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

By sister that implies a parent or creator. This makes God seem like the demiurge and the Darkness is the chaos, that was made into the physical world. But unlike the Demiurge, God can create spiritual realms the Demiurge can't affect anything spiritual. I think by (sister) Metatron meant the embodiment of the opposition force of God. But who knows.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:35, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Amara said she has no parents. What's the difference between spiritual and physical ? 89.204.139.86 08:43, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

In what way are Chuck and Amara brother and sister?
In what way are Chuck and Amara brother and sister? Amara said she doesn't have parents, so how can they be kin? -- ImperiexSeed, 4:53 PM, November 14th 2015
 * Well, I think "sister" is meant in a metaphorical sense. On the other hand, Crowley overpowered the Darkness, that was one of the worst scenes in all of supernatural. That should never ever happen. The Darkness, presumably the supreme evil of SPN loves Dean - What a joke, the show has become so disappointing, I only watch it because it's some good comedy. 89.204.130.80 22:17, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

The Dark(Weak)ness
Why is The Darkness so weak ? Even Crowley easily overpowered her. Later, The Darkness needed to caught Crowley by suprise to overpower him. I think everything a bit stronger than Lilith could easily kill the Darkness. Castiel said that her power is near- infinite, but actually I only see that her power is near- zero. If her power would truely by that immense she could destroy all of creation with a thought and would not need souls to empower herself. 89.204.130.80 22:37, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

i agree, Death say that God with all archangels in terrible war can just seal it.nothing more,now looks this season will be 1big joke if 2mortals man without any power and  1 weak angel will seal it but now looks that they even can kill Amara!!?...and Crowley overpowered Amara?so then he can simple walk in heaven and in 1sec just kill all angels, bcs God cant overpowered Amara and God with Lucifer,Michael,Raphael,Gabriel and maybe was some1 else cant overpowered,they can just trick and only then seal with mark(according to Amara) :D damn so disappointig season   81.198.140.100  13:33, November 15, 2015 (UTC)ess

She was completely weakened by the war and the mark, and so she needs to heal. The power of the souls are letting her regain her power. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:04, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Then she is not that impressive and powerful in the first place. If the Mark of Cain channels the power of The Darkness and the Darkness is that weakened, The First Blade would never be able to kill God or Death. 89.204.139.36 09:14, November 15, 2015 (UTC)



Staff of Moses and Darkness
Could the staff use her power against her by invoking the Ninth Plague?Noremac2 (talk) 05:32, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Can someone please remove the My little Pony bit?

Calvincambridge30 (talk) 03:21, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

My Little Pony on Trivia?
I understand we can put a number of things on the Trivia page but My Little Pony? Really? Sure, the mentioned characters are similar but usually, when we compare characters from Supernatural to another similar character in a different universe/series, it is because the series is within the same genre, and more importantly, if it has influenced the creation of Supernatural (i.e., X-Files, Buffy, Hellblazer/Constantine, etc). Please enlighten me how and why MLP is relevant to Supernatural? I'd appreciate it. FTWinchester (talk) 10:00, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Amara's power.
I must say I'm of two minds about this latest episode.

Sure, Amara survived the combined power of thousands of Angels. Fantastic showing, especially given her poor start being thrown around by a Demon. And yet, the combined power of thousands of Angels merely left a very small crater in the ground. A crater that a tiny meteor could have created.

I expected damage like that created by an Atomic bomb perhaps. Castiel resurrecting Dean at the beginning of season four did more damage. Uriel was apparently going to destory an entire town by himself. The mere presence of an Angel's true form created tremors and small Earthquakes. All of which did more damage than the combined power of the Angels.

I must say, this episode left me extremely underwhelmed.


 * Well, seems Amara absorbed most of the energy. Think about a laser, the laser beam is also focussed on one point. Lambda1 (talk) 09:01, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * I was as well disapointed by the crater ,although it was focused and Amara absorbed most of the damage the crater should have been much larger Kkapoios (talk) 13:51, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think aside from Amara absorbing most of the blast's energy, it was more a spiritual attack, maybe it is the case that spiritual energy != physical energy. The physical universe and thus the laws of physics were created/ defined after the primordial war, so what God and his archangels fired against the Darkness was not energy in the sense of high energy radiation/ plasma or something like that. Lambda1 (talk) 21:18, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Just a thought, I don't know why these things weren't added.
The Smiting power weakened Amara right? Shouldn't that be listed in the weakness section? And she apported Castiel back to Billie, the Reaper.

Also I have one question, would the Reapers or indeed Death, be able to banish the Darkness to the Empty?


 * The smiting is listed under the weaknesses section, however, yeah, feel free to add apporting to the powers and abilities section. No, reapers definitely could not apport the Darkness in to the Empty, and neither could Death. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:45 PM, January 28th 2016