User blog comment:ImperiexSeed/The oldest being, archangel or leviathan?/@comment-5619706-20121108182206

As much as I love discussing lore and as much as I am in complete awe with the Archangels, why does there seem to be a felt need to defend them against the leviathans?

All this is conjecture, and both sides' arguments are derived from statements that aren't the least bit tangent with an actual showdown between archangels and leviathans.

So to answer the question: Leviathans are older than archangels--it's fact, it's law. The only angelic being whose age is questionable so far, is Metatron. And until he shows up, we will never know. Don't tell me the four archangels are the only ones who have seen God. I don't care if Metatron did not see God, he did not have to. He just had to listen to be able to write down. And the writers could still curb that since in Judaism, Metatron is the equivalent of Michael. Metatron is just second to Yaweh (God).

Sure, archangels have all the powers in the world, and then some more, if you insist. Why should that mean they could get past the immunity of Leviathans? I understand what you mean when archangels can appear invisible or weild a blade telekinetically and slice off a leviathan's head, but surely any imaginable feat you can do with magic, if the source of the power is nullified, then that's nothing at all. Eve isn't even the oldest being and she could already easily unplug a Seraph--the second highest angel class (and that's a Seraph already boosted with 50,000 souls AND all of heaven's weapons, the latter of which could harm archangels). So what more could you expect from the Leviathans?

Some people seem to be taking Castiel and Death's words with just a grain of salt. God wouldn't lock them away for nothing. They are dangerous.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Leviathans are absolutely more powerful (just older), but some of the arguments supporting the archangels seem to be throwing away much of what we have in canon.

Also, Jesse may be able to obliterate the entire host of heaven, but don't tell me he could get stronger than Lucifer himself. Jesse gets his power from Lucifer, people. And if his source is an archangel's power, then that means his powers may be just as useless when nullified by the presence of a leviathan.