Talk:Gabriel

Gabriel in another reality?
So, I was watching the episode in Season 6 where Sam and Dean are on the set of Supernatural, in an alternate reality, when I noticed something. In one of the scenes where the Angel is shooting at them, a person who looks very much like Gabriel appears for a couple of seconds, ducking out of the way. What do you lot think? 2.24.69.43 15:58, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Gabriel's powers
Would it be too speculative to put "White Light" under Gabriel's powers? I mean, one can only assume he has the ability to do so. SilverRain (talk) 04:53, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * From my lens, it would be. I mean, we wouldn't put "Electrokinesis" on Lucifer's page, but it's obvious that he has it seeing as Raphael possess it. Or it'd be like putting "Super strength" on Naomi's page -- it just simply doesn't belong. I will argue, however, I'd quite confident Gabriel has it, he just never displayed it. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:01 AM, November 30th 2012


 * Gotcha. While we're here, should Gabriel's "Superhuman Strength" be "Immense Superhuman Strength" to coincide with his fellow Archangels? SilverRain (talk) 15:08, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would say no because "immense" is better suited using in the description of Superhuman Strength such as "Gabriel possesses immense strength". However, based on how his super strength is currently described, the addition of "immense" is unneeded. 107.201.16.199 20:36, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * SilverRain, I honestly don't care how the power of enhanced strength is displayed under character's 'Powers and Abilities' heading. However, lately I've noticed under a vast assortment of characters, users are using "Supernatural strength" or "Immense Supernatural strength. But like I always say, if someone's going to make an edit, we better make sure it's right. For instance, Super strength is an individual possessing strength greater than humanly possible. Immense Super strength would signify that the character possesses Super strength but to an extreme level. As for Supernatural strength, it could easily be equated or consistent with Super strength. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:45 PM, November 30th 2012


 * I will make this short very short. Chronokinesis by meaning is time manipulation. And at it's base level or standard one is the ability to reverse, slow, stop, or speed up time to various degrees. Like, how Atropos can stop time. But, and this is the quote from Castiel from to Dean on the first Time-Travel and not the mystery spot time-loop. "Time is fluid Dean, it's not easy but we can bend it on occasion." We said bending when is another word for a way of controling, altering, manipulating etc. Yes, nip picking, but ithat is not sepecualtion on what a word means.


 * So this is my stance, Time-Travel is just one if not the highest form of Chronokinesis. But, not everyone or thing that can manipulate time is able to time travel. Like, I wouldn't list Atropos able to time travel as she has only shown time maniuplation, not the power to maniuplate through it into different times. &#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 01:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, they're extensions of each other--but, not the exact same thing. Chrokinesis is the ability to freeze or halt time's cordial. Time Travel is the when something goes through time, whether forwards or backwards. That's the difference. From the wise mind of, -- ImperiexSeed, 9:01 PM, March 4th 2013


 * Than why doesn't Chronokinesis have it's own page with what can be done under it. And Time Travel with it's own as they are while similar are two separate powers as you say. But, by putting it under Time-Travel you are saying that Time-Travel is the base of Chronokinesis. When it's the opposite. Just Time-Travel has two things that makes it different that Chronokinesis. One, you can travel through it, and two it's a more advanced version of it. What makes it more advance isn't the point. But, kind odd to have, Chronokinesis details on the Time-Travel page when you separate it &#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:27, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's the base of Chrokinesis. That's why it's conjoined with Time Travel on it's page. I, personally, see no need to separate them. -- ImperiexSeed, 9:49 PM, March 4th 2013


 * Umm, how is traveling through time the base of maniuplating it? Like, even the first time of time based magic was Gabriel as a Trickster using time-loops. As everytime Dean died it restarted the day for Sam and Dean. (But I will say that it seemed, more like using both powers on them. ) But,  sorry I see it the other way. As if you want to nip pick than Chronokinesis is the base meaning foundation marker of Time-Travel. As its maniupulatin, influencing, moveing, altering etc time." As traveling through is only one form of it, hence why it's called time-travel and not Chronotravelkinesis. 


 * As per your statement, than by it being on the time-travel page than Chronokinesis is a weaker form of it. When, Time trave is a directly limited power to moving backwarrd or forward in time. So how does that equal influence the time the user is in as in controling it? Inshort, even if you separate them down to two separate powers. Chronokinesis comes as the foundation, as the mainpulation of time, while time travel is moving through but that in some for is controling it. As, you cannot simply just travel through time. You need to manipulate in someway to be able to move through. Now do you see my point?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 03:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Inshort, by your definitions as I understand it. All those, than can travel through time can maniuplate and that if you cannot travel though it you cannot alter it. But, Atropos only stopped time, never traveled through it. So, I see as the opposite. That those that can maniuplate time, can also travel through it if they are powerful enough like an Archangel or an Angel with Heaven's power. But, if you cannot alter time at all, you cannot travel through. As even weakened due to lack of tributes Chrono could alter measure objects of time as well as travel through it.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 03:20, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Loki?
Is Gabriel actually Loki (in the sense that every account of the trickster loki was actually gabriel undercover) or did gabriel replace the trickster loki who already existed? Because if he replaced loki surely one of the gods like Odin or Thor or Baldur would have noticed that Loki looked different or was abnormally more powerful but if he has always been the only Loki how could he have the reputation of Odin's son because obviously odin didnt conceive gabriel? ny thoughts?

Being as Loki was a trickster, he had the ability to shapeshift and warp reality anyway. So he would have just told them he shapeshifted or something.

Loki wasn't Odin's son in mythology; that's something Marvel Comics did to make hero Thor vs. archenemy Loki brothers. I might be basing too much information on a book concerning Norse mythology that might not have been that reliable, but I think that in the mythology, Loki was sworn brothers with Odin himself. In any case, Loki wasn't Odin's son so Gabriel wouldn't have had to claim to be such. He probably wouldn't have shown off his true power as Loki or otherwise the gods would get suspicious and possibly kill him to stop him from being stronger than they were. I think that there was never a real Loki in the first place, that Gabriel simply introduced himself as such to the gods and they accepted him--somewhat: the gods in HotG didn't seem thrilled to see him and, based on mythology about Loki's shenanigans, I can't really blame them. Speaking of myths about Loki, it'd be interesting to find out more about Loki's supposed wife and children and how they turned in Supernatural. Apparently there's a Hel in the books, but it'd be neat if they had her in the show as a nephilim (along with Fenrir and that snake guy whose name I won't even try to write out).--NaiflidG (talk) 10:17, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about the Nephilim part, but in the book, Hel asserts herself as a Goddess. I mean the show can make her to be whatever they want, but yeah, she'd be a solid antagonist. RaghavD  Born Sinner, the opposite of a Winner  10:41, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The Migard Snake is called Jormungand and I agree fully. Seeing as Fenrir, Jormungand and Hel are meant to bring the Norse Apocalypse they'd be ideal antagonists. Although seeing as Loki and Odin are dead they'd have to alter a good chunk of it.

Huh? I thought the fire giant chief, Surt, was meant to trigger ragnorok?

Princepurple (talk) 06:04, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Stealth/ perception alteration?
Should Gabriels ability to fool the norse gods about his true identity be a power? he was also capeable of porting into the room lucifer was on, with the older Archangel knowing and telekonetically throw him, which could also be due to his stealth ability.

Lucifer may have been mad and preoccupied, but surley he would notice his brother entering the room.

Princepurple (talk) 06:03, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose we can. FTWinchester (talk) 15:21, December 16, 2013 (UTC)