User blog comment:ImperiexSeed/The oldest being, archangel or leviathan?/@comment-168.169.25.92-20151106013500/@comment-5619706-20151106113242

"And they wouldn't be able to beat the archangels. Sorry if you can't handle it."

Honestly, it sounds as if you are the one who can't seem to deal with the fact that Death, Castiel, Crowley and Edgar (that's four characters) described the leviathan to be capable of destroying anything God has ever made, including angels. Additionally, not only were they canonically described to be capable of, they were also explicitly shown backing that up.

"You guys are acting like leviathan are the strongest beings in the show, sure they were very powerful and could negate angelic power, but they're not supermen you're trying to make them out to be."

If you took time to actually read into our arguments, we do not claim they are capable of magical feats the archangels do effortlessly. No. Leviathan strength lies in their physical strength, resistance/immunity to magic and their capability to react and adapt (by changing form and imbibing powers and intelligence of their prey). Supernatural creatures all have their own aces and pitfalls and it just so happened that their aces include the ability to kill archangels. READ: Ability. We just believe they have the potential--they could. Whether they can do it effortlessly, quickly or otherwise is another matter.

Death on leviathan, 7.01;

''I personally found them entertaining, but he was concerned they'd chomp the entire petri dish, so he locked them away. Why do you think he created Purgatory? To keep those clever, poisonous things out. Now Castiel has swallowed them.''

Pray tell what makes the archangels an exception to "the entire petri dish". Also, don't forget that leviathan are intelligent, as Death has mentioned, and they have been granted knowledge on Heaven's dealings when they took Castiel for a ride. It was explicitly mentioned in canon 7.23 that they either killed or forced an entire garrison of angels into hiding on top of explicitly showing one capable of concealing his true nature from angels, keeping them from using their powers and then killing them.

Castiel's quote in 7.23 reaffirms Death's statemtent;

''You know, Leviathan can kill angels. There's a reason why Father locked them in Purgatory. They're the Piranha that would eat the whole aquarium. They're gone. The entire Garrison – dead. If there's anyone left at all, they're in hiding.''

Please explain how "the whole aquarium" means everything BUT the archangels? It doesn't make sense. Two characters, one of which has been alive alongside God and witnessed creation, all point to this ability of the leviathan--they can destroy the "entire petri dish"/"whole aquarium". Again, our point is that they can, not that they always will successfully or easily. As Crowley in 7.23 put it,

''Not easy... to kill me, but doable. Especially for you lot. You kill angels. You can certainly wipe a demon off the board.''

Notice how Crowley says he is difficult to kill but it is possible? It's the same argument we hold. And oh, look, Crowley also reaffirmed what we have already seen at this point.

Edgar's shapeshifting in 7.22 showed they do not just copy the appearance of their prey--they could also imbibe their characteristics (Edgar grew vampiric fangs).

Literally the only thing you guys argue for is that "archangels are entirely different from angels". True. I will admit semantics pose some confusion in here. But let me point to you why in the context of this discussion "angels" are meant to cover any and all angel classes.

It has been widely known that Castiel has been a seraph, a high-ranking angel since the thwarting of the apocalypse. He has shown physical feats ordinary angels could not, and he has shown powers and abilities with enhanced potency. He is, for all intents and purposes "different from lower angels", just like an archangel, albeit on a lesser degree.

Despite this, Eve in 6.19 says to Castiel;

''I'm older than you Castiel. I know what makes angels tick.''

Angels. She used "angels" while talking to a Seraph.

Naomi, another high-ranking angel (described as a "new breed of angel we've never seen before" ) who received orders directly from archangels and who commands angels like Ion, who also described himself above regular angels, said in 8.07;

''My name is Naomi. We rescued you. [...] An incursion of angels, which cost us many lives .''

Despite being a league of their own, Naomi still called her group angels when describing how their attempt to rescue Castiel from purgatory cost them so many lives.

How about we try it the other way around? If "angels" only mean angels in the regular/class sense. Does this mean leviathan can't kill Cherubs? What about the Rit Zien? The Grigori? Those aren't regular angels. They all have ranks different from regular angels, ranging from lower rank, possibly similar horizontal rank and higher rank respectively. What then?