Talk:Ruler of Hell

List of Rulers of Hell
Hello, all. I was just going to edit the page to reflect the new name (the gender-neutral "Ruler" instead of the male "King") where necessary, but one thing bugged me -- the list of Rulers of Hell, namely because everyone it except Crowley was speculation.

A.) Azazel. Generally assumed to have been King of Hell in Lucifer's absence because a.) he was one of the most powerful demons, b.) he was the most powerful demon free from Hell and still considered part of its hierarchy, and c.) he was referred to as a "tyrant," which carries the connontation of a ruler. However, The Essential Supernatural only says that he was a General of Hell (which, by the way, I plan to make a page as well -- well, if we decide that The Essential Supernatural is canon) commanding an army of black-eyed demons. The other issue is Lilith, which could help or hurt Azazel's case: she was stated to have been Queen of Hell in The Essential Supernatural (see below), so if we take that as canon, that opens up the possibility that the position of Azazel's that she took on after his death was Ruler of Hell. What hurts that possibility is that Azazel was not just under Lilith in the hierarchy, he was working for her (see here). However, I also seem to remember someone on here saying that at one of the Supernatural cons, Crowley's and Azazel's powers as individual Kings of Hell were compared, which would indicate that Azazel was King of Hell in his time. Does anyone have evidence documenting that, or any other evidence saying that Azazel was King?

B.) Lilith. Referred to as "the then-ruler of Hell" in the revised edition of The Essential Supernatural, so we need only decide if the The Essential Supernatural is canonical to determine if she was Queen.

C.) Lucifer. Actually, I wouldn't consider him being King speculation at all -- while it was never explicitly stated, it makes no sense for him not to be King, considering the demons' worship of him and his clear leadership of them during this time. The only bone I have to pick concerning him and rulership of Hell is only in that how this affects others: he is referred to as the King of Hell in The Essential Supernatural, which has information concerning other characters (some on this very page) which may or may not be taken as canon. Now, we don't need to say that he was King because The Essential Supernatural; that's so common sense that we don't need The Essential Supernatural. However, it'd be very nice to cite something saying that, yes, Lucifer was King of Hell. It's just that we can't cite The Essential Supernatural for that if we decide that its other information isn't canon.

D.) Abaddon. This one is interesting because it's the only time that rulership of Hell was explicitly mentioned in terms of someone other than Hell -- it was repeatedly stated that Abaddon wanted to be the Queen of Hell. The problem is that I don't recall any point in which she was stated to have actually become Queen. "Road Trip" and "King of the Damned" indicated to me that there was still the conflict for the crown was still ongoing up until her death, though admittedly that could have been Crowley refusing to believe that he had been unseated. Can anyone produce any quotes or any other evidence that Abaddon became Queen at some point in the season?--NaiflidG (talk) 06:40, January 6, 2015 (UTC)