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Molecular Combustion
After a comment by FTWinchester on my talk page I'm gonna split the Implosion page into two: Implosion (what Amara did to Metatron) and Molecular Combustion which is everything else. Cas described what was done to him as being ripped apart at the subatomic level to Claire Novak so that's a close enough title if nothing else. Sounds like Piper Halliwell from Charmed with gorier side effects anyway what Luci and Raphy did to Cas. FTW hasn't responded to my reply messages though and I wanted your opinion on a couple of the examples: one of the angels Amara killed in O Brother, Where Art Thou? looked more like what Luci did to Jofiel in Heaven than a smiting. One was definitely smitted by her and another telekinetically killed with his own angel blade but that last angel looked more like Jofiel when Luci killed him and I want to list that one. I also think we should list one of the pagan gods killed by Luci in Hammer of the Gods. At the moment, he's listed as being ripped apart by Luci's telekinesis but the effect that was shown looks more like what he did to Cas with a different hand movement than telekinesis. I want to include that one as well and I want some thoughts on that please.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:29, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Actually its not a debate at all. They brought up that Implosion only really fits what Amara did to Metatron and I realized he was right, responded back that I think it might be a good idea to break it up into Implosion and Molecular Combustion, said some of the same stuff I did to you and haven't gotten a response yet. I doubt FTW will have an issue with that, unlike the other thing with that Twilight guy me and FTW get along really well like you and me. I would've asked FTW his opinion on the two examples but as I said, I haven't heard from him since his initial message. I just want an opinion on whether or not to use those two examples as well and if they'd fit. I haven't even gotten that far with FTW.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 22:47, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

No prob. I think he wants the page split and as I said, we get along extremely well. I've never had a problem with him and he seems to rather like my edits. For example, he went to me on the fact that he thinks implosion doesn't fit that power well before he undid everything I did. I'm more concerned with your thoughts on those two examples I brought up. What do you think of those???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:52, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

The ones I was asking about are when Amara caused that angel to explode in O Brother, Where Art Thou? and when Lucifer caused a pagan god to blow up. In the former its listed as smiting but it looked more like what Luci did to Jofiel. In the latter its listed as Luci ripping the guy apart with telekinesis which never made sense to me btw. We only saw Luci thrust his arm out and splash of blood and gore but to me that looked like when Cas exploded when Luci killed him in Swan Song. That's what I want your opinion on changing because it means changing the Luci and Amara pages as well.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:07, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I meant Ganesh not Mercury. As for Amara I mean this:. That looks more like Molecular Combustion than Smiting to me. I've written the page and am now working on it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:33, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I agree. It's Molecular Combustion that Amara is using. I'm gonna remove that to make the page easier to load. Zane T 69 (talk) 01:41, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I wrote the page and altered the varying pages I could think of that would be affected by the change. I left the implosion page for what Amara did to Metatron but we need a better image there as the one I posted I copied over from the Metatron page and is too big. I don't have any way to get a better image for it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 01:51, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Could you do something about the image/video thing on the Implosion page??? I copied the thing of Amara killing Metatron over from the Metatron page to there but its really too big and I have no way to fix that. Also, here's something else: what about in Soul Survivor when Crowley seemed to turn that demon to dust with a snap of his fingers??? I mean that seems like molecular combustion but it was also the only time he ever did that and no one really seems sure if he killed that demon or not.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:21, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'll leave the Crowley thing alone then. But we need a smaller version of that video/image thing. Is there any way for you to create one???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:08, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well hopefully someone who does fixes it. Its probably only a matter of time.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:30, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Removal of "unconfirmed"-type statements
Because it's also unconfirmed if the Thule knew about fairies, or Leviathans, if Hitler dreamt of electric sheep while his soul was attached to that pocket watch, if souls taste like chicken, and if God created souls while he was high. In other words, you can make up just about anything that is "unconfirmed". This is often used by people who want to pass their speculation as relevant information (see the Leviathan talk page and various discussions about whether or not Leviathan beats Archangel). "Unconfirmed" can be literally anything that isn't directly contradicted in the series.

Orion ( T - B -C) 22:36, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I feel a wiki shouldn't contain what isn't stated in a series, but rather what is. This is personal preference, of course, but I think it's more informative if I were to read "Leviathan can disable the powers of regular angels" than "Leviathan have not been confirmed to be able to disable the powers of archangels".

Orion ( T - B -C) 22:50, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Forum
I tried to make a discussion for "The One You've Been Waiting For", but accidentally made a forum page titled "The One You've Been Waiting For Discussion." I tried to delete my mistake, but haven't been able to do it. Could you please delete it?Rafe Adler (talk) 16:12, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

You said it looked perfect. Are you saying I did it correctly? Kajune said it was weird and misleading which told me that I didn't create the discussion thread correctly. I was trying to do something like this http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:46764  Rafe Adler (talk) 19:59, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Ok sorry for the misunderstanding. Could you restore it please?Rafe Adler (talk) 22:13, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. New background looks great. Also what do you think of my new profile picture?Rafe Adler (talk) 22:27, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Wendigo from Hannibal (TV Series). The only difference is that it doesn't have red eyes in the show. It has white/silver eyes in the show.Rafe Adler (talk) 23:08, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

I am Back
Hey Zane, I am back, what has been recently and do you need help on any topic? SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:14, November 14, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re: Admin seniority
I saw your post on WarGrowlmon's page. Admin seniority is not an actual rule observed here. It's more of a personal approach with respect to your senior admins--but you have every right to call out another admin if you honestly think something is wrong. In disputes you are not yet too sure on how to settle them, then yes, by all means, waiting for other admins is a good idea--I used to do that a lot, and I still do it, too, especially on matters that require consensus (i.e., deciding whether those display of powers need to be grouped together or if their title needed to be changed require consensus--the more members contributing, the better). However, I hope this doesn't inhibit you from getting your point across, if it needs to. FTWinchester (talk) 02:58, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

LockOldBlogs functionality
Hey, I've gone ahead and added the LockOldBlogs functionality as you proposed. Currently, the code changes are pending Wikia Staff review - and the changes will only be visible to the community after the changes have been approved. Calebchiam Talk 03:21, November 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I've tested the code and it works great anyway. Expect to see it live in a few days or so. Calebchiam Talk 03:23, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Forum
When you say 'newer style' - what are you referring to exactly? If you're referring to the blog format, then the idea of having two forums: The Impala Forum and a more casual discussion space sounds appealing, but I'm curious as to why this is better than the current system of having The Impala Forum and many user blogs. If you can come up with a strong case for that, go ahead and put it up for discussion on Forum:The Impala. It's a change that will require community approval and Wikia staff's assistance. Calebchiam Talk 03:57, November 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems rather oxymoronic to say that blogs aren't specialised for discussions when that's all they are really good for. Thanks for the example. I wasn't aware that Wikia had added threaded forum functionality to all Wikis, but by all means, go ahead and create a test forum. Just run it by the rest of the community when it's up and running. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 04:51, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Nice change of background.....I was wondering hoping it would include 'Baby' too....perhaps in the middle. That would be perfect....:)

The last suggestion for including 'Baby was by meAnnweshaAdhikari (talk) 13:32, November 15, 2016 (UTC)'

Categories
Isn't having a Category:Content pretty much standard? It's also shorter than Category:Supernatural Wiki which is a strange name since EVERYTHING here is the supernatural wiki, making its function essentially the same as Category:Browse. talk2ty 21:09, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Navigation
Hey Zane, just made a minor tweak to Wiki Nav, what do you think? SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:30, November 18, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

just an observation
Hey, Zane - i went to marios targarean's page because of the name and happened to see your message, which i have to say sounds kind of mean. if you really want new contributors of good work on the wiki, i don't see how scoldy messages like that help. if one is still relatively uncomfortable with editing, especially in a language that is not native to them, sometimes mistakes aren't noticed until after 'Publish' is clicked. not everyone is only just trying to crank up their edit count, but are honestly fixing mistakes they'd like to correct themselves. i hope my saying so doesn't make you mad, but i had to say something. Reka12452 (talk) 00:37, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Zane- i might agree with you if he'd done the same thing on even one other page, but it looks like his first one. that suggests to me that he is learning and will probably get better at it. when i first started editing it took a while before i even realized that every single edit was memorialized in 'History' and even longer before i noticed that there was a rolling edit count. i don't remember ever even considering the sandbox thing. in any event, maybe an occasional 'please' when you leave people such messages would make you sound more like a fellow collaborator and less like their boss, unless that's what you're going for. My $.02 that u didn't ask for ;)Reka12452 (talk) 01:08, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Zane- Very Nice. as i said, your delivery is lacking. if you want to be nasty and call me names, i'll take that as my cue not to try to talk to you about anything on an adult level again. have a nice life. Reka12452 (talk) 01:28, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Zane - I must admit that i failed to see the word "I" in your message, which gave it a decidedly different tone. Anywho, we both made our points, and as far as i’m concerned, "we’re good" indeed. Talk to ya later, Reka12452 (talk) 03:32, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Archive
The big ones like Dean and Sam could be archived. Nice idea. SeraphLucifer (talk) 10:20, November 19, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Not that I know of Gabriel456 (talk) 18:19, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome Gabriel456 (talk) 19:07, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Metatron's vessel
Here's the thing: everyone has Metatron's vessel listed as being named Marv. Where does that come from??? As far as I can tell, Marv is nothing more than a nickname Metatron sometimes used. I don't get why people have listed his vessel as that. I think it should be changed to Metatron's vessel instead of Marv because I have seen no proof that Marv is the vessel's name. I posted a message on the discussion for that character's page a long time ago about this but never got any sort of response.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 07:25, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Blocking
We need to block the unregistered user who keeps doing that harmube thing. That's just vandalism and makes no sense anyway.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 06:58, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm confused by your response. He intended to deface the page yet its not vandalism which by definition is defacing something???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:04, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Then why'd your first response to me start with "I strongly disagree"???--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:43, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

(confused) Okay, whatever.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 17:46, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Pages
Heya Zane, well Reapers page has a huge talk section. Also for any other pages, my loading speed is quite good although I have a slowish network. I am inactive these days, couldn't check recent changes, if you need help with anything write me. Cheers. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:45, December 3, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Mr. Ketch
......I used the Mr. Ketch redirect page to create Larry Lee's page. I don't know if that was a bad idea or not. Kajune (talk) 18:43, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Lucifer's child in Aarama's infobox
Thanks for the response. 70.93.90.147 06:27, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

Killed by Dean Winchester
To be fair, if we needed consensus for something like that category, I'd put my support behind it as long as we could do lists of victims on character pages. Other Wikis do that sometimes and I always enjoyed that. Person of Interest Wiki in particular did that and I always liked it.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:44, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

Well I wouldn't have done every thing killed by them but like the named characters with their own pages. Like under Dean's list there would be Azazel, Abaddon, Zachariah, Cain and Benny Lafitte. Stuff like that. And then for other monsters we could do stuff like "multiple unnamed" insert monster name. That's what they did on the POI Wiki. List the named victims and then "multiple unnamed" for the unnamed characters of an organization or whatever.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:23, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

Here's an example of what I mean. Its from the Walking Dead Wiki. Its Negan's kill list, the one I could find the quickest.:

This list shows the victims Negan has killed:

Rory (Caused)

Marsha (Caused or Direct)

Tim (Caused or Direct)

Ethan (Indirectly Caused)

Denise Cloyd (Caused)

Abraham Ford

Glenn Rhee

Spencer Monroe (Alive)

Olivia (Caused)

At least 20 unnamed people

All male Oceanside residents aged 10 and above (Caused, Indirect, or Direct)

Numerous counts of zombies and unnamed people (Caused and Direct)

Something like that (minus the Caused or Alive thing which comes from it being a show about zombies) is what I was thinking. So for Dean it would be something like:

Tom

Azazel

Abaddon

Zachariah

Cain

Benny Lafitte

Numerous counts of unnamed monsters and demons.

Its obviously incomplete but you get the idea.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:14, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

K. But I honestly think its a cool idea. Several of these Wikis do it. I can name two for sure. They do it slightly differently than each other but the idea is still the same. I always liked that. Like I said, the idea is to list the named characters killed by someone and just do like "numerous counts of" so and so type monster for the rest. We could also do the same for characters with major kills. Like Benny would be The Old Man, Desmond, Sorento, Quentin, numerous counts of monsters. The last being because of all the time he spent in Purgatory fighting monsters. Things like that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 04:54, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

Misuse of rollback and blocking
I noticed you've been reverting another user's edits. Darth's edits were in good faith and were meant to improve the article - hence, this is a misuse of the rollback tool. Please note that rollback is meant to be used specifically as a anti-vandalism tool. Good faith edits should be undone and a relevant reason detailed in the edit summary.

It would also be better practice and more polite to take it up with the user in question before unilaterally reverting his edits and blocking him. I've also unblocked Darth as he has not committed a wrong by creating such a category - there has never been a requirement for admin approval to make these sorts of changes. Users are encouraged to be bold (within reason) and to seek community consensus for large-scale changes. In this case, it would have been better for Darth to propose the idea for such a category before going ahead and implementing it, but there is no vandalism or malicious intent here. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 02:59, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Users are encouraged to be bold (within reason) and to seek community consensus for large-scale changes. Not everything requires approval - when a user sees a potential improvement to the Wiki that isn't (in his/her opinion) controversial, the user should be bold and make those changes (unless it overturns previously-held practices or consensus.) The onus is on other users to highlight any issues with the user and to discuss things further. I've checked the time logs and I see you did give Darth a heads-up that you were not okay with his edits before you blocked him - so kudos to you there - but it wasn't very clear that you were asking him to stop making any further edits. I understand what you were trying to do with the block, but because you didn't actually ask him to stop per se, it was unjustified. Don't worry about it too much, we're all human after all, but just exercise greater care in the future. Cheers. Calebchiam Talk 03:42, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that is the wrong way to use the rollback tool. Rollback is not supposed to be a substitute for Undo. Rollback is only meant to be used for anti-vandalism. Calebchiam Talk 03:52, December 12, 2016 (UTC)

Short Links
Hey Zane, just saw your message, my apologies. I think it is a good idea since we don't have much important things to do. Let me know if I can help with anything. SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:57, December 12, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Polls:Updated
Hey Zane, I just updated the polls, what do you think? SeraphLucifer (talk) 07:36, December 14, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Work
I don't care. This isn't my wikia so whatever happens all depends on the decision of the majority, not me. Thanks for the compliment, though. Good luck with your projects. Kajune (talk) 20:38, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Category and Ego
Hey Zane, sorry for late response, I can barely login this times. I think category is a good idea but didn't understand what you meant by saying "devoloping an ego" ? SeraphLucifer (talk) 12:04, December 19, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I'll check the situation but currently, I won't be able to check in since the internet has been censored in my country and it is very slow. (TR) SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:02, December 19, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

My status
Hey Zane, I decided to be inactive for a while, I have tons of work to do, I don't think I can save time for wiki these days. Sorry. SeraphLucifer (talk) 08:07, December 20, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Ok this not Magda issue. But I want to re-open what is to be called what with the Kinesis. Now Magda is an unique case so I won't argue that. But Biokinesis shouldn't list rudimentary tossing someone in a wall or making them cough blood. As in this series, it's not so separate each power. It's more of different uses of their power where it comes from Grace, Demon Juice, God Power and so on. Example Fred Jones Sam said this. "Fred's got juice I mean an average psychokinetic can move things with his mind, but a guy like Fred, you get him worked up, he can reshape reality." This sounds like Telekinesis is the foundation that most situations are just Telekinesis done in unique and creative ways.

I think Telekinesis as a standard should be any kinetic movement that can be used by distancely manipulating something, or kinetic energy. Biokinesis in my opinion is closer to manipulating the body in way not defined simply moving it or using kinetic energy to cause it harm. Like how Crowley using Telekinetic power on people to cause hemorrhaging blood. Now like Molecular Combustion (MC) that could be either or Power or even simply a separate one.

1. Telekinesis as it could be simply manipulating the atoms.

2. Biokinesis as it might be manipulating the body outside of kinetic energy to cause it to change its nature or cellular structure.

3. MB as the using might only be able to control atoms.

I feel that Telekinesis, should be listed as all situations that you do if you were moving something with your hand or equipment. Like as examples grabbing an utensil or item or punching someone in the gut making them cough blood.

Biokinesis should be all like Angel healing power, pestilence or eve's powers. Something that changes the body outside that kinetic energy can do. I feel Molecular Combustion should be a separate technique of Telekinesis. These are standards I wrote down fast. I am willing to talk, and not just implement them.

I created these standards so we don't need load characters with powers when one covers what they did. Again I wrote this fast at lunch so I didn't, pay much attention to grammar details.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:24, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

Well it is confirmed Telekinesis can move bodies from season 2 with the special children. But isn't it speculation to say Biokinesis can cause others to cough blood? As Biokinesis meaning Life Manipulation. By literal definition it can only manipulate life. But what is life the Shrigta feeding is closer as it takes the Breathe of Life from children. All movement is caused by kinetic force and Telekinesis manipulates that. Kinetic energy is is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Saying something is Biokinesis cause is sounds more like it is no different saying mine is. That is closer to Organickinesis or Cellularkinesis. We need to find common ground here as neither you or I can just decide this. So what we do? This is my thinking process if I was a character I want Telekinesis, I could throw people into walls, stop bullets even stop blood flow or the acceleration of it.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 21:04, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

You made my point. If "advance" users can do it as well. I was trying to understand that Telekinesis can only control kinetic force to simulate trauma, or simply manipulating already existing pre-existing matter like bodies, bullets, a knife. I figured Biokinesis was more like manipulating life to heal or create or steal life. Or change the nature of life itself. Can't really do that with just movement from Telekinesis. YES outside the SPN series, but I used these all falls under terms from Star Wars Telekinesis. How one could choke someone or throw someone as well as move inorganic matter. I figured it was more noteworthy Biokinesis, Hydrokinesis, Pyrokinesis, were better listed if they could only use control that element or force or create it as Telekinesis can't create. It's now who is abvance and who isn't. This is the why, I wanted the definitions clear. And I think I confused myself more now.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 21:35, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

You know I wrote that blog right? Lol. Also new topic, Lucifer. Shouldn't he be listed as a corrupted or unholy Archangel? The sacred objects crosses or the Bible harm or have events when near or touched by Lucifer. His child which inherited his power is called unholy and a bible burned. When his mother that is pregnant with him touched it. So maybe the Darkness and/or the Mark with also maybe Hell turned slightly unholy?

Also and this theory only not to be put into articles. I think I know how Amara can be both God's equal and superior. Amara is nothingness and darkness. While God is Light and Being. Well darkness simply exists it can change form... well easy its fluid in that way. Light can't change so much. So maybe God has to expel some power to be God. Otherwise he might not exist or just be a sacred light with a personality.

Now this might be worthwhile information for trivia in God and Amara's relationship page. God compares himself and Amara like Yin/Yang. Well Yin is considered spiritual/feminine/darker while Yang is material/masculine/brighter. Seems like a noteworthy Easter egg right?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:21, December 21, 2016 (UTC)

First point. At least somewhere on Lucifer's page should be that he has unholy traits, not normal for an Angel or Archangel.

Second Part, it was a theory and unless I miss wrote it I said not to put into articles.

Also I can't edit the blog as it's closed and archive, and it happened before I was an admin. And while I will keep consensus fair and will honor them on this issue, I still personally think Telekinesis covers 90% of all kinetic stuff that happens to people in this universe. I won't be back for some time Xmas break from work.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:43, December 21, 2016 (UTC)

How to classify abilities here?
What would be a viable source instead of superpower wikia

I honetsly do not want to argue to flame war levels, but that other guy did have a point, her ability hardly is biokinesis, she is not really altering the cellular structure more than simply damaging it as if she made an energy construct, just saying. She isn't altering the genetics or the molecules outside of the capabilities of someone with a wip. The woman even flinched fowared as if she was actually being hit, not like if the wounds were being opened as if the cells were being moved directly. The Mind Player (talk) 16:44, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

That is the issue, you can not say that you are the only source. Just like you add references to statements made by characters, producers, writers, etc. to support an aspect of the show, you must do the same for abilities, just stretching from the editors of this page knowledge is a bit ignorant, no offense, it really wouldn't hurt this wiki to use the knowledge about abilities, not plagiarizing, from other wikis, wikipedia, pages wikipedia cites, blogs, articles, other show even. But taking everything from ones own closed up knowledge is not correct. Yes, you have this consencus, but still, your shouldn't discuss everything just within you and your knowledge, but investigate, cite, make references, that gives veridity to your articles, that gives trust, makes them more firm, gives more reasons for people to not edit a page, makes it firm. Please do not take this as a rant or a negative comment, but rather take it into consideration, I do not edit as much here, I come here for info mostly, but as a writer myself, maybe not a professional one but a student, I implore you to take a look at this and not wall yourselves in this wiki and not look outside The Mind Player (talk) 16:58, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Please do not TL;DR because I can not make this smaller

Nol,, you didn't get it, you think i am only refering to Superpower wiki, but read again my previous message, I said that you should cite, reference, to other shows, SPW, wikipedia, blogs, other sites that explain powers, take some ideas from thee. Because, as shown with the Magda situation, you all have different views of what is Psychokinetic abilities, what counts as one, and what counts as another. Some of you have the view that biokinesis is the manipulation of life by etymology, while bio-kinesis is just a name giving by people to refer to biological manipulation, most who coined the term didn't think on bio meaning life or kinesis meaning movement. Yes, SPW is not exactly the most trustworthy place, but there are other wikis that idscuss powers, for example heroeswiki.com from the tv show heroes, while it is also kinda self contained, it has taken more info from outside sources than simply the user's previous knowledge. Yes you have many user, but anyone can edit, anyone can argue, what is telepathy to someone(Reading minds) is Mental Manipulation to others. Yes, you have taken notice from things that happen on the show and made your theories, but still, without trying to use other sources interpretation, one's claim can fall under assumption. I am not saying to bring Fanon information, I am saying to bring information from the way writers, authors and creators treat an ability to see what fits better to refer to an ability, what is the best term to describe what a character made. Yes you discuss that between yourselves I've seen, but you do not cite, reference. Yes you want to keep selfcontained with the show, but again, imagine you only watched this show, nothing else, no other shows, comics,movies, how would you label abilities, order powers, categorize variations, etc. if you have nothing else to back up one's claims.

Instead of just looking at the show and saying: "Oh look, she is damaging the skin of someone, so it must be Biokinesis" instead of looking at the different ways other media treats that ability will just lead to you creating a whole different power, adding things to it, giving it to things that do not necessarily are using it, but rather that are doing something different that seems to be it in one point of view, but isn't in many others.

Also, you do not always list facts here, many articles have things like "character a said this, but could mean that instead" making assumptions, yes with your proof and all inside the show that it might be true, but still adding an assumption to the article. So do not come saying you only add fact to articles. Example, "the character said something contradictory to a previous statement.... But it could just be the character being silly" so not add those last bits, even if they do not say silly, but rather hyperbole, simil, they are still assumptions, theories, hypothesis, which you sometimes gives proof to, but never proof truly.

Look, do not get mad at me, I can see it comming, everyone gets mad at me because many do not get the way I talk nor express. Like you did, many also seem to jump over what I say, I never say you should link to SPW only, but rather, you should use other media, blogs, sites, SPW also, to research what abilities, names, powers better suit what a character is doing and to explain it, not just stay with what you see and hear on the show, cause sometimes they just say "psyquic" but they themselves never explain much of what is being done. When refering to Fred Jones the brother sam said Psychokinetic rather than Telekinetic, just speculating here, but froma writer point of view, you should order his abilities together not separated, his abilities are all connected, not dissociated from what was shown, if he developed an ability from another, then it should be listed with (**) not one (*), each.

If you want me to discuss how you should do things, maybe add under Magda something that better suits causing harm that physically yet not actually altering her cells directly, maybe not telekinesis but maybe an application different from biokinesis. I can not discuss any longer as my day ends right now and will be really busy the next days, so probably won't see your answer. Just again, take the use of other media, of the way others use something as a reference to know what to name what.

What Magda made is again, hardly biokinesis, she oly seemed to induce wounds and pain "physically", or externally to the body itself, actually hitting it(As Olivia kept flinching fowards, falling fowards, as if pushed by the force of the wip). --The Mind Player (talk) 19:08, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Dean Winchester Kill Count
Dear Zane T 69 I really liked the killed by Dean Winchester idea. I think I could really be helpful in creating it. Last summer I watched every episode of supernatural from season 1 to 11. I didn't just watch every episode I also made a list of every person killed by Dean Winchester in every season. I have repeatedly edited the list and I believe it is finally finished. I am 100% sure it is correct. P.S. I also included ghosts on the list and I did not include leviathans he decapitated because they technically don't die when you do that.The list also included alll his kills form the current season, season 12.ChrisG1999 (talk) 16:32, December 30, 2016 (UTC)ChrisG1999
 * I agree with this guy. As I've stated before, I think it would be a cool idea to do a list of notable victims for each character page.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:41, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Latest message to me
I think I only meant to undo one thing but when I used Rollback it undid all of the edits. I didn't know Rollback did that. I'm kinda new to that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:40, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, still new at this.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 21:47, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Pages
Oh my goodness, Zane, the wikia has 3,000 pages. I shocked! Kajune (talk) 17:05, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Blocking
I think it's unnecessary to pre-empt this at such an early point. For simple cases of vandalism, treat him as you would any anonymous user (minus the possibility that he doesn't know what he's doing.) For anything less readily classified as vandalism, we can have a community discussion about the best course of action to take. Calebchiam Talk 13:07, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Edward Trenton
Dear Zane T 69,

Could you edit the Edward Trenton page. Could you please add one of those information boxes most people have.152.26.193.26 15:08, January 11, 2017 (UTC)Jake Miller

Gerald Browder needs a wikia page
Dear Zane T 69,

Could you make a page for the character of Gerald Browder. Could you please make sure it has one of those information boxes that most characters have. He appeared in season 7 episode 9. Thank You for editing the Edward Trenton page.152.26.193.26 15:03, January 12, 2017 (UTC)Jake Miller

Fun Fact
Just a fun fact: the other day I was at the library (nice quiet place to read) reading Supernatural: Rite of Passage. I got up to get a drink from the nearby water fountain. Now my chair was in the Non-Fiction/Biography section and as I was walking by a shelf (mere feet from my chair in fact) I saw what looked like Charlie Bradbury on the cover of a book. Turns out it was Felicia Day's memoir with the picture of her looking like she did when she last appeared as Charlie. Appearance wise anyway. And I was walking by it with a Supernatural book in my hand. That made me laugh.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 23:24, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Dear Zane T 69,

This is chrisG1999. I need help with a page I made. I created a page for the shojo character. I finished it and put in all the correct info but for some reason whenever I try to look it up in the search bar it doesn't pop up. What did I do wrong? Can you please help me?ChrisG1999 (talk) 01:20, January 13, 2017 (UTC)chrisG1999

Shojo Character page Issue
Dear Zane T 69,

I typed in the first three letters like you said but all that pops up is the shojo creature page and not the shojo character page. I have no idea what I did wrong. Do you have any other solutions?ChrisG1999 (talk) 01:40, January 13, 2017 (UTC)chrisG1999

How do I add pictures to the pages I made?
Dear Zane T 69,

I made wikia pages for the characters Clay Thompson and Maurice the vampire not the reaper. I have pictures of both characters on my phone but I have no idea how to put the pictures on their wikia pages. Do you know what to do?ChrisG1999 (talk) 17:51, January 13, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Upload Failure
Dear Zane T 69, I'm sorry I couldn't upload the pictures. I tried but I just could not figure out how to put the pictures on the pages. Could you try for me? I know it's asking a lot but I trust you. Your one of the best editors on this wikia. It is alright if you don't want to.--ChrisG1999 (talk) 21:49, January 13, 2017 (UTC)chrisG1999

Operation Sandbox
Dear Zane T 69,

I tried your suggestion. I tried to make a sandbox but I didn't know how to follow the instructions correctly. I tried some other ways to put pictures in but they didn't work out either. Thanks for trying to help me it meant a lot. I think I'm just going to leave some of the pages where I couldn't put pictures in pictureless because I don't know what to do. Thanks for everything bro and keep up the good work. ChrisG1999 (talk) 03:26, January 15, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

The Offer
Dear Zane T 69,

Thanks for the offer but you don't need to make me a sandbox. I'm alright and I don't think I need one right now. Thanks for being a good pal. If I ever change my mind I'll tell you.ChrisG1999 (talk) 04:13, January 15, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Finally figured it out
Dear Zane T 69,

I finally figured out how to put pictures on the pages. I took me a while but I finally did it. I put pictures for the characters that needed them. I was so overjoyed when I finished. Thanks for the compliment and support.ChrisG1999 (talk) 23:25, January 15, 2017 (UTC) ChrisG1999

P.S. Did you by any chance figure out how to solve the shojo (character) search bar problem.

Thanks
Thanks bud but I'm really not interested in that. For one thing, I wouldn't even know where to get an image and for two its simply something I don't care enough about to do. I'm content to let others handle that.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:10, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Again thanks for that, but I'm fine.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:17, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks For the help
Dear Zane T 69,

Thanks for contacting them. I hope they fix the problem. Thanks for helping me out when I needed help.ChrisG1999 (talk) 14:27, January 17, 2017 (UTC)chrisG1999

No problem
Dear Zane T 69,

You can erase the pictures. I don't think I need them. I don't mind you deleting them and you have my permission.

ChrisG1999 (talk) 18:05, January 19, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Do I have to fill it in myself? I've filled in 90% of the pages I created, and I thought it'd be best to leave it for other uses to fill in if they wanted to. Kajune (talk) 19:01, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

No, you weren't rude. Not at all. :) Kajune (talk) 21:20, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

The Shojo Problem
Dear Zane T 69,

No the shojo character page problem has not been fixed.

The Photos
Dear Zane T 69,

You can delete the picture. I don't need it anymore.ChrisG1999 (talk) 18:02, January 21, 2017 (UTC)chrisG1999

Dean Page Edit
Dear Zane T 69,

I made an edit on the dean page and I need your advice on the matter. I added this to the occupation section:Sheriff(briefly). I added this because in the episode frontierland he was appointed sheriff after Elias Finch killed the previous one. He was only sheriff for a few hours so that is why I put briefly next to sheriff. Is this correct or should I get rid of it?ChrisG1999 (talk) 20:58, January 24, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Killed by Dean
Zane, are you seeing this? Unknown user added a new category which, if I recall, was rejected before. Do you permit this? Kajune (talk) 21:34, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

More photo help
Dear Zane T 69,

I need help adding photos on a page. Have you ever seen the styne family page? The person who put the pictures on there managed to put seven pictures in the infobox. He seperated them by putting these columns with there names on there that separate each picture on the infobox. Do you know how to do that or know someone who can walk me through it because I got the pictures and I could upload them but I couldn't do the infobox column thing.ChrisG1999 (talk) 20:23, January 25, 2017 (UTC)ChrisG1999

Is the witch-Killing spell molecular combustion?
Dear Zane T 69,

I have a question about molecular combustion. Is the witch-killing spell molecular combustion? I kind of want to add that to the molecular combustion page but I am not sure. I want an expert's opinion. Do you think it is molecular combustion or not?ChrisG1999 (talk) 20:10, January 26, 2017 (UTC)chrisG1999

Hey my friend.
Heya Zane, I hope you are having a good time and everythings OK with your life... I am back for like a week. I am currently on a holiday so I have time to contribute here. Do you need any help and what's the word around the wiki? Anything important happened? SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:14, January 27, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Everythings fine, thanks. I study a lot in order to enter the Medicine Faculty. Everything looks fine but I think there are some unnecessary info or content was placed in articles. I'll check em out. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:42, January 27, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

2 days
2 days after ImperiexSeed's block is ending. What are we going to do about it? What kind of punishment should he receive if he breaks the rules again? SeraphLucifer (talk) 12:43, January 29, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Good idea mate, I liked it. However should we also take the other sysops opinions? Also Caleb's... SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:20, January 29, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Annoying User
Hi, Zane. Can you please help? This user keeps altering, extremely unnecessarily, deceased user pages from "killed" to "method of death", and even ignored an admin's request, and keeps doing it regardless of how many times we undo his edits. Could you please do something? Thanks Gabriel456 (talk) 17:55, January 29, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Canon Discrepancies
If that it has never been truly confirmed as you said, than why are Reapers stated as being Angels on both pages for Angels and Reapers? 70.93.90.147 01:28, January 31, 2017 (UTC)

Inactive Status
Don't worry Zane. Take all the time you need. I'll handle here. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:09, January 31, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Hello
Hey. Just want to say that I'm sorry about my all of my past behavior, I will conduct myself better and no one will have to deal with anything like that again. Congrats on becoming an admin! -- ImperiexSeed, 6:56 PM, January 31st 2017

Stop undoing all of my edits. I just got back, and already, edits are being followed and undone. Please stop, it's a little childish. Thanks. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:18 AM, February 3rd 2017

Supernatural Music
Hey Zane, I noticed that there are download links in Supernatural Music page, is it OK or should we remove them? SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:24, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I think it is fine for now. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:25, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Navigation
Hey, also I made a little change in Navigation, I think it is better, what do you think? SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:34, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I put it near the monsters and named it Supernatural Creatures. I think it was better :/ SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:32, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Don't you see like in your PC? SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:42, February 3, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Ehm should I revert it? SeraphLucifer (talk) 11:52, February 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Garrison Issue
Heya Zane, can you check the talk page of Angel Garrison? We have something to debate and your opinion would be valuable for that topic. SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:42, February 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Well, besides garrison stuff everything seems to be OK. I checked every other edit and fixed the necessary ones. Now I have to focus on this topic. Also gonna add more information on Benjamin page. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:13, February 4, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Chat
Can we meet at chat? SeraphLucifer (talk) 19:18, February 5, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re: Reapers are Angels
Understood, just trying to enforce the status quo set by the admins and/or the community. 70.93.90.147 22:09, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

"Vandalism"
If you're talking about the quote I removed from I Know What You Did Last Summer, then it wasn't "vandalism", it was called "editing for accuracy". The quote in question was from On the Head of a Pin, the following episode. I just didn't take the time to transfer it, is all.

Have a nice day. Damaijin (talk) 21:13, February 7, 2017 (UTC)

"Sam" page
Hey Zane, there's a Sam redirect page but I'm not authorized to edit it. I was hoping to turn it into a disambiguation page, like the Samuel one. Can I? Kajune (talk) 19:23, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

Rowena
Hey Zane, what do you think about my latest edit on Rowena's page? Kajune (talk) 05:10, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Zane. Kajune (talk) 15:40, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Sam and Dean
I haven't noticed any changes. Loading pages is usually easy and swift for me. Kajune (talk) 23:15, February 12, 2017 (UTC)

I was worried about the pages becoming too stuffed with information. I usually don't have a problem myself, but I felt it was not a matter to overlook, that it should be taken notice of. What you've been doing, I believe, has been very useful, adding short links, and I appreciate your effort. At least to me, Sam and Dean's pages aren't very slow to load, but I don't know about other people. Kajune (talk) 23:30, February 12, 2017 (UTC)

Editing
Can anyone edit on this wiki without you admins undoing it? It's seriously getting annoying. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:36 PM, February 14th 2017

Edits
Hey Zane, wasn't here for 2-3 days, anything important happened? Any change happened on articles? SeraphLucifer (talk) 10:34, February 15, 2017 (UTC)SeraphLucifer