User talk:Kajune

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Raphael page. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help you with anything! Also note that we are in the process of converting articles written in the present tense to the past tense. So you are welcome to edit any such article you come across. Once again, Welcome! Calebchiam (talk) 12:08, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. I don't think I'm even the right person to ask, to be honest. You should ask one of the admins, to name two: Twilight Despair 5 and RaghavD Gabriel456 (talk) 17:28, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Survey
Hi Kajune, I am doing sort of a survey, I just want to learn your opinions about my edits, if you could reply I'd be grateful. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:02, January 25, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Hi
Hey Kajune. Castiel used to be a common angel, thats why I wrote "formerly" and Seraphim is another type of species (still in celestial category yes). SeraphLucifer (talk) 14:04, April 1, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re Category
Hey Kajune, do you mean like removing the visual image of category, if so you should edit on classic editor and delete the image, I hope it will help. SeraphLucifer (talk) 05:47, March 26, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re Bobby
Hey Kajune, I changed Bobby's picture not because it was bad, we should add the latest version of characters. This was his last apperance so I think it would be better. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:51, April 1, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re Profile Pics.
Hey Kajune, I think that you are actually right, there wasn't much difference between Bobby's new and old one, only old one was better as you said. I just update them since many people visit the wikia each day and I wanted to show them the latest appearence of characters. You are free to change it, its a free wikia :). SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:20, April 6, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

RE:Coroner
Well, I'd like to be helpful but I don't know the meaning of coroner... :( SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:04, May 8, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Adminship
Hey Kajune, hope your doing fine. I think you should be an admin since we don't have active admins around here, only TD5 sometimes... I think you are honest and a trustworthy editor. If you want to be an admin, I'd support you. SeraphLucifer (talk) 17:41, May 9, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

RE: Admin nomination
To be clear, I'd only remove speculation from articles. Obviously, users are free to speculate, they just have to keep it off of articles. Unfortunately, some speculation passes for fact if it seems reasonable, which, to me, is still speculation. That's the main type I'd purge from articles.

Orion ( T - B -C) 18:20, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Re: God heals Lucifer
I don't think it's repetitive to use one image on two pages (Lucifer and Healing). I just think it fits into the context. Feel free to add (or propose) another scene from the latest episode to the page though. Lambda1 (talk) 00:57, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Enabling
Enabling parents are the ones who let their kids do whatever they want and fix every problem they cause (as Chuck did), thus preventing their children from learning from their mistakes.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:05, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

I swear you're wrong. By stepping down, not interfering, God was "enabling". He stopped fixing humanity's problems once he saw it did no good. Watch the episode, seriously. Kajune (talk) 13:08, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

And I swear you're wrong. Why don't you watch the episode? He was interfering, constantly, and it did no good, because he realized all it did was enable humanity's bad behavior. He stepped down because of it.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:11, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

I think Kajune's right. Choosing not to intervene is enabling. SeraphLucifer (talk) 13:12, May 16, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I really don't want to keep arguing. But look up the dictionary. I also updated God's page after checking the episode. Really. Kajune (talk) 13:14, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Look up "enabling" in regards to parenting. Really.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:15, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Hell, just look up grammar. "A is no longer B. It's C". Meaning, "A is not B any more. Now A is C".

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:23, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

You make absolutely no sense to me. "Enabling" equals "interfering"? I've watched the latest episode like what, six times, or more? Kajune (talk) 13:25, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

For Chuck's sake, just look up "enabling" in regards to parenting.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:29, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yes well, we're talking about what Chuck himself said, and what he believed. His interfence produced no results, so he left, stepped down. Chuck, said enabling was parenting. That is how a parent should raise a child. Kajune (talk) 13:35, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

No, he said that being over involved wasn't parenting, that it (being over involved) was enabling.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:38, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

I get why you think that, but look at the whole statement, really. "Enabling" means to give authority to someone, to give someone the power to do something. In Chuck's case, it was giving humans the authority to decide what's right and what's wrong. Chuck had previously punished humans as a way of teaching them what was right and wrong, but since doing that fixed nothing, he allowed them to decide, by stepping down himself. Since Chuck believed this yielded positive results, he saw it as (good) parenting. I swear, very little of that is speculation. Kajune (talk) 13:47, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

For the umpteenth time, look up "enabling" in the context of parenting (which was the context of the conversation). What you're saying doesn't apply, period.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:51, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Whatever. Like I sad, I hate arguments. This wikia has nothing to do with me anyway. I won't touch anything if it satisfies you. Kajune (talk) 14:04, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

If you're not willing to look up "enabling" in regards to parenting, then why tell me to do something similar? Or did you look it up and are just unwilling to admit you're wrong?

EDIT: I guess it doesn't really matter, in the grand scheme of things, as long as the correct information is on the article.

Orion ( T - B -C) 14:08, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Return
I'm not feeling very well, but I've come back because this wikia looks like it needs some help following the latest episode. Kajune (talk) 15:05, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Battle in "We Happy Few"
I don't know. Truth be told, I don't really care about those articles, and I don't see the point in them either.

Orion ( T - B -C) 15:54, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

Your Opinions
Hey Kajune, what are your opinions about Reapers? Do you think that they are celestial beings? SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:15, May 26, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I don't like that they are, but since it is fact, I can't deny it. We see Tessa in her true reaper form in season 2, and we see Alastair using Death's scythe to kill reapers in season 4. Clearly, at this point, reapers weren't celestial beings. However, from Stairway to Heaven onwards, reapers are undeniably angels. Hannah knows Tessa by name, an angel blade can kill a reaper, they glow like angels when stabbed to death, and since there has been no statement as to what a reaper is or where it came from, an angel is what they are. That's, my opinion, and why. Kajune (talk) 15:29, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Status Unknown
I'm not an admin. A question like that should be answered by an admin.

Orion ( T - B -C) 12:24, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well if we have deceased category, I don't think there should be a problem. It must be updated as soon as we get canon info about their status, though. FTWinchester (talk) 16:37, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Lair
Just go for it. Worst case-scenario, it gets deleted by an admin. However, keep in mind there's not much to say. It's a dark hole somewhere. We know nothing about it.

Orion ( T - B -C) 16:40, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you would weigh in on my RFA. I need more support, or disapproval, according to, FTW. Here:Is my RFA Zane T 69 (talk) 14:49, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Adminship
Thanks a lot Kajune that means a lot. :) SeraphLucifer (talk) 09:13, June 28, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Why did you revert valid info on the Jonathan Potts article?Zane T 69 (talk) 22:52, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Categorization
Good job! Thanks for your determination to improve our categories. FTWinchester (talk) 00:38, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, you're doing a great job. That's the whole point of the wiki--for us to provide information on the canon. And we were missing a lot of info from the latest seasons--info you know have filled. See you soon! FTWinchester (talk) 15:19, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Health
Thanks a lot Kajume :). By the way you are doing a great job currently. :) SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:46, July 9, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

RE: Minor edit
Marks your edit as a minor edit. Doesn't really matter unless you're monitoring RecentChanges.

Orion ( T - B -C) 22:06, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Coup
Hey Kajune as  I told, a military coup happened in my country, I will lose my internet connection most probably, I'd be pleased if you could tell the others my situation, I won't be here for long I guess... Cheers... SeraphLucifer (talk) 21:30, July 15, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Re:Titles
You do have a point, but most of those names weren't even used more than once. We can place them in Trivia Section I guess, what's your opinion? SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:05, July 16, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

But as I told, there are lots of unnecessary ones in the title/alias section. For Example: Ken Doll (Dean), Coward (God), Alpha Male Monkey Friend (Dean), Bratty Child (Lucifer)... These type of words are used as insults... SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:26, July 16, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Wiki Navigation
I updated the Wiki Navigation, do you like it? Do you have any suggestions? SeraphLucifer (talk) 16:34, July 16, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

I'm sorry if my comment seemed rude. I'm just trying to keep the focus completely on the task at hand. Zane T 69 (talk) 19:37, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, Caleb finally got back to me. If you want to be a rollback, feel free to request those rights from him. When I thought of potential rollback users, you were the first name that came to mind. Zane T 69 (talk) 16:48, August 5, 2016 (UTC)

Don't know if you saw the message, but if you are interested the wiki still needs rollbacks. You can ask Caleb if you want.Zane T 69 (talk) 15:11, August 12, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Reapers are Angels
Thanks Kajune for participating this topic. I'd be grateful if you post that on FTW's wall either. We should judge everything then decide. As I said, I am currently uncertain applying this changes since there are still holes. Also I'd like to add a few things about what you wrote:

First of all, it was Tessa's true form. Tessa herself admit that:

"You didn't give me much choice. You saw my true form and you flipped out".

Also I don't think Tessa owned a vessel. She and Dean both agreed that she can appear however a Reaper wanted to.

Reapers being able to use "angel radio" is completely wrong or plot hole. Maurice, did not know who Castiel is. He had no clue about Castiel. In Season 6, every single angel knew or learned who Castiel is. Reapers maybe weren't sided with Castiel or Raphael since Reapers aren't a part of Heaven, Hell nor Purgatory but if they could use the radio, Maurice could contact with Bart without a meeting and did not need more information about him. Besides that, there is no single indication that Reapers could the angel radio. Also I don't remember that scene.

Billie teleported in 11x17 when Dean had a fatal shock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8aoSb14cwM). You are right that angels call themselves angel no matter what their class are. But I guess that was like the conversation between Bart and Maurice. Your kind, my kind of thing.

By the way, every single angel lost their wings no matter they were on Earth or Heaven. Grigori's case is still a secret. They might be healed by soul feeding, it is unclear. Also I'd like to mention that angels' wings aren't healed yet, they can appear at anywhere when they descend from Heaven just as in 11x02 and 11x09. They didn't teleport but arrived.

For last, you are totally right about angels not roaming Earth for 2000 years. It is one of Castiel's wrong statements.

Thanks for participating this topic once again, and great points. SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:52, August 14, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Well, leaving a corpse is quite confusing, however they might actually formed a physical form. Like horsemen. It is unclear anyways just a prediction.

Most creatures have telepathic links, Reapers may have that too but there is no indications that they could use angel radio. Also Maurice's lack of knowledge about Castiel definetly proves that they weren't able to use angel radio. Even in that episode Bart stated;  your kind, my kind thing. Don't get me wrong by the way, not trying to be offensive :D.

Well about wings we have a certain statement. Lower angels completely lost their wings as in 8x23, however stronger/higher angels kept their wings just like Gadreel and Cas (When he regained his grace). Lucifer, far stronger than Cas and he was unaffected by the spell. Spells affect depends on angels strenght apparently. We know that spell also affected the angels on Earth, but the ones who fell from Heaven, was physically weakened compared to them. Some even died.

Anyways, I do hate this topic because of episode 9x22. Hope we can do the right thing. SeraphLucifer (talk) 15:17, August 15, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Thanks for participating. I'd like to point out that most of your points appear to have been fitted to work with the retcon, when in face value upon introduction, those exact same points were used to delineate reapers from angels. There are too many discrepancies for the retcon to work. But for the sake of discussion, I'll parse the points you raised.


 * There are the other classes of angels who resided on Earth during this time too, as part of their duty.

True. It could retroactively be made to support the claim, but it is not a strong argument about reapers being angels. Point being, I can come up with a completely random creature (say, hell cats), re-classify it as an "angel" and this argument could still support the claim despite the differences between actual angels and "hell cats".


 * Tessa's true form, which Dean witnessed in season 2, was an illusion


 * What Dean saw was not a true form

Blatant disregard for what was shown visually and what was told literally by the character. Dean saw the skeletal "true" form, and in Tessa's words, he "flipped out". The only dead reaper I remember in Kirpke's era was in Death Takes A Holiday, and it occurred when Sam and Dean were projected into the spiritual plane, hence them being able to see reapers without any further aid. Had they been manifesting in natural, physical human form AND seen the reaper corpse, then I would agree with this. Anything that came after Kirpke, of course, would support this, because the new era started this notion that reapers are angels. So visually, April Kelly's death leaving a corpse is about as canon as angels suddenly becoming white smoke instead of the bright light they used to be visually represented in the Kirpke era.


 * Reapers also seem to be possessing people while roaming the Earth

Unsupported by anything in canon aside from, again, artistic/stylistic visual choices of the new showrunner that started the questionable retcon.

The scenario you mentioned in I'm No Angel doesn't or shouldn't even count because that episode explicitly states that Castiel warded himself against angels, and they specifically had to resort to reapers in order to find Castiel. What does that say about reapers relationship with angels? Why would reapers suddenly be exempt from this rule if they are angels? If it's just "regular" angels that are warded against Cas, why not hire Cupids? Rit Zien?


 * And don't forget, all classes of angels are referred collectively as an angel

I am aware of this. Which is exactly why I find it ridiculous that when it comes to reapers, somehow they are exempt from a lot of things if that's the case?

All angels require vessels. And we mean all kinds of angels, but yeah, not reapers--they can just change forms until we suddenly decide to depict them "wearing" vessels so we can work with our retcon.

All angels serve Heaven --oh yeah, except reapers, they're neutral.

All angels were warded against Castiel, or that building Alastair was in --except, you know, reapers. They can find Castiel or enter the building specifically warded against angels somehow.

So many angels died to save Castiel from Purgatory --but no, reapers can enter Purgatory safely by their own accord.

Why did Alastair and Lilith claim not to know how to kill angels (in the collective sense, as you yourself earlier said), but had no problems trapping and killing reapers?

To this date, I am yet to read really convincing proof that covers so many bases about reapers being angels. Sorry, not to be rude at all, but I'll pass on the arguments you posted. FTWinchester (talk) 00:54, August 23, 2016 (UTC)