Talk:Deities

Gods/Deities cannot be cannibalistic as the word cannibal means humans eating humans. Or members of the same species eating others of the same species.

Also deities in Supernatural worship doesn't grant, increase, or decrease their powers. (However some gods need tributes like the Vanir for the ritural) the reason is its part of their powers not about restoring them. Intruth it doesn't even help or harm them. And the deities are immortal as they don't age. I cannot comfirm which one but one of the Salute to Supernatural talks stated these things. Also at least about the not needing worship and none aging immortality its on the Supernatural Super Wiki.: The Twilight of Your Despair 12:48, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I have just one question. Where was it confirmed that the gods were more powerful than the demons in Supernatural?

69.113.213.250 03:22, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

As a standard yes. On one of the Salutes to Supernatural which are cast&crew talks about the show's history, character's personality and history, aspects of the show and innate knowledge it was comfirmed.: The Twilight of Your Despair 03:59, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. And a second question: Who is this "Oberon (fairy god)"? Did he ever appear in a Supernatural episode or was he mentioned in the show??

Kali clearly states that she and the rest of the gods are older and were there long before God. Lucifer even confirms this by saying that God and the angels took Earth from them. How is it then that Death and God are listed as Primordial Gods when they clearly aren't. The only mention of how old they are comes from Death who says he and God are very old. Therefore the other Deities need to be placed in their proper section. This article needs a clean up.

From the transprict of 5.19 Hammer of the Gods.

KALI Your story. Not ours. Westerners, I swear. The sheer arrogance. You think you're the only ones on earth? You pillage and you butcher in your Gods name. But you're not the only religion, and he's not the only God. And now you think you can just rip the planet apart? You're wrong. There are billions of us. An we were here first. If anyone gets to end this world, it's me. I'm sorry. [KALI stabs GABRIEL with his own sword. GABRIEL screams, and in a flash of light, dies.]

Kali never states that she and the other deities are older. Just that they were worshipped and most likely actively on Earth long before God decided to appear on the planet he created. And once God's religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) became active the pagan deities and their religions became not as practiced to the majority of the human species. And with God and his Angels being stronger than pagan deities already, they effectively forfited the planet to God.

Also this is from the Super-wiki Mythological Arc Timeline

At some point in the distant past, God, Death, and the other deities come into existence.

If you want to see it for youself this is the link. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Mythological_Arc_Timeline


 * The Twilight of Your Despair 16:05, March 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I take back the part about them being older, that was a mistake. Thery're at least as old as them. However my points still stand. If God and Death are primordial gods then so are all the other deities, even by your definitions.



Needs a major rewrite
Does anyone mind, if I make a major rewrite to this page, to clean it up, and bring it up to standard, aswell as remove all information regarding the Actual god (as this page is about false gods) and charaters that aren't gods? Because I really feel that someone should change this page, and no one else has. You have till tomorrow to state your disagreements, if not I start. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:17, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * My, my, my. As an eidtor, you are eligable to to contribute here by editing - heck, you're encouraged to. However, removing the ino that talks about the Creator can stay; he is a deity, af ter all. I'll review it after you're done. Happy editing! -- ImperiexSeed, 4:23 PM, October 16th 2012


 * Okay, I'll do it tomorrow, as I have to go soon, and sure I look forward to hearing what you think. I still slightly disagree with including God on this page, as he's isn't just a deity, he's the deity, he's the only true god, all the others, are simply self proclaimed, powerful creatures, there all false gods. But if you want him to stay, I'll leave him. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:25, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * In Supernatural inverse, deities is a race - a species. In real life, they would be considred what you call, false gods'. But, since he is a deity, he shouls stay on the page. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:30 PM, Octiber 16th 2012

Ok, and before I get my head cut off I am going to point out that I am Catholic completely. Now then, thats out of the way I want to address this. In the series God is a Deity" in the series the pagans as Lucifer call Mercury's kind are deities. But to God and his Angels, Leviathan, they are not that important. But you shouldn't call them false as despite my own views as a Catholic you shouldn't openly state that. Yes, your opinions General and ImpreiexSeed are respected and I am not asking you to change them. But you must do the same for those that still worshipping the old or pagan gods, some worship the universe as a god, or Atheism that doesn't worshp any god. Personally, I worship my God that I was taught in Catholic faith, and while I pity those that worship other'' gods I don't think less of them, I don't hate them, nor do I call their gods monsters, demons, or even evil. Also, about God. Yes, it's a common notion to call him a deity and you wouldn't be wrong. But it's not exactly correct either. By the ORIGINAL old testament God is the ALL, the Ultimate, the Original One. He is called a Deity as all the concepts and power he is well above requirement of a god. So while we call him a deity he is eternally beyond that.''

Now more for the series point. Ok, these gods aren't like most common fiction ones. Infact most are like monsters yes with few more respectable gods like Atropos. They naturally are just cut above most demons, like an intermediate species between demons and angels. And when feed or give tribute the rituals increase their powers. But, God is a Deity just in the series he is without a doubt the oldest (meaning he is at least as old as time, but most likely older) the strongest (this represents him being all powerful) and omnipresent, (as he can be everywhere but doesn't choose to.)

In summation, yes this page needs a face-lift like bad. But, God should stay as he is worshipped in Judeo-Christian faith. And one must have factor to be a god/deity is to be worshipped. As in some religions some worship demons, monsters, spirits, animals etc as gods. Like take Buddhism the Deva which are the closest things to gods, but aren't immortal (meaning none aging) and are bound by Samsara the six paths of rebirth. In Shintoism Kami translate to god or spirit. They worship ancestors, nature spirits, souls, even similar western creatures that are demons in western views. Some of the earlier gods were worshipped as more heavenly rather just nature spirits like the Greek gods. Finally, I think that God's information should be on this page but should have it's own sections. The pagan gods should have their own section. And ANY information that relates to both like standard information should be under one section.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 23:57, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Reclassification of pagan categories
Kudos to whoever classified the known pagan gods to appear in Supernatural, but there is a category of 'Pagan' (the Carrigans) already under the 'Pagan Gods'.

FTWinchester (talk) 21:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Pagan catagory is used here, to determine gods, which religon we do not know as it was never stated. The Carrigans are Hola Nickar, which if my memory serves me correctly is teutonic belief, but that can't be written as it wasn't stated in the show. And as Beau's real name or religon wasn't revealed we don't know which religon he belongs to either. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:18, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we could use 'unidentified' or 'undetermined' instead?

FTWinchester (talk) 22:56, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

You've got a point, they would probably be better, I'll talk to the admin, and see what he thinks, if he agrees I'll change it. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:11, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Pagan
Please clarify the operational meaning of Pagan in this page. One of the modern meanings of Pagan is one who does not follow any of the world's major religions. Hinduism is one of the five great religions of the world, so Kali and Ganesh may have to reclassified. Unless we (1) use the 'Deities of Polytheistic religions', or any other appropriate substitute, or (2) clarify that by pagan we mean polytheistic religion, Kali and Ganesh may not be called Pagan.

FTWinchester (talk) 21:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Pagan is used in this sense, in the old mediveal sense, all gods, that do not belong to Christainity, Judism or Islam. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:15, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks.

FTWinchester (talk) 22:57, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hindu is under paganism, but under a different meaning of it.

Historical PaganismEdit Further information: Prehistoric religion and Polytheism===Bronze Age to Early Iron Age=== Religions of the Ancient Near East Ancient Egyptian religion Ancient Semitic religion Mesopotamian religion reconstructed Proto-Indo-European religion Proto-Indo-Iranian religion historical Vedic religion This is why its under Paganism. As it's a Prehistoric religion which is a general term for the religious beliefs and practices of prehistoric peoples. More specifically it encompasses Paleolithic religion, Mesolithic religion, Neolithic religion and Bronze Age religion. However, as Hinduism is commonly since as monotheism in some senses, it often thought as pagan.

Hinduism is a diverse system of thought with beliefs spanning monotheism, polytheism, panentheism, pantheism, monism, and atheism among others. But Paganism it's really just an umbrella term with loose meanings. Heathen is other common word for those of none Judeo-Christian faith. As if you go to China, India, or Japan and call their beliefs pagan most will take offence to this as pagan is an European term. This is just me clearly anymore confusion.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:42, October 24, 2012 (UTC)--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:42, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ridiculous
It's quite disgusting as a Catholic to find other people that follow the same religion as me, refer to other religions as having false or pagan gods. This is considering the fact that these religions have existed centuries and millenia before ours. Sorry if I haven't been as indoctrinated as much as you fanatics by my religion but i think it is you guys that should be pitied for having these views. I'll be editting this article myself as everyone else around here is either delusional and unqualified to do so.


 * //Okay, first off, just above this post is a disambiguation discussion to clarify the meaning of 'Pagan' just so no Hindus are offended. I was the one who posted that and I happen to be Catholic. Second, the mere fact you mispelled 'editing' means you probably are unqualified to rewrite this as well, not to mention definitely not qualified to call us delusional.


 * FTWinchester (talk) 02:42, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think misspelling one word hardly makes me unqualified. Although if you find anymore then please do tell me. I think it just means I need to proofread my work first. However I think anyone that's read some of the posts on this talk page will feel the same way I do. When someone refers to Deities from living religions as 'false gods', you have to wonder where they're at really. I had directed that comment at those people who felt the need to insult other world religions. If you weren't one of those people, then my post didn't concern you. Nonetheless, I do not wish to keep fighting with you on this matter so I think we should just leave it here and focus on the article instead.

Good, nice to see this was fixed before it got bloody. But, I agree that calling other religions names and their deities/gods false isn't right. However, you cannot force others to respect other religions only to not let their own views affect how the article here is written so it's not filled with bias or opinions. I myself am Catholic and also have a minor in Mythology and Religion Studies, the word pagan was really only used for the older religions and cults of Europe like Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic etc. However, the Church added it on years later to all those that didn't belong to the religion of Christianity. This is why people think the Catholic Church is corrupt, and in the past they would be right somewhat.

Example, would be this. In 609, the Byzantine emperor Phocas gave the building (The Roman Temple the Pantheon) to Pope Boniface IV, who converted it into a Christian church and consecrated it to Sancta Maria ad Martyres, now known as Santa Maria dei Martiri: "Another Pope, Boniface, asked the same [Emperor Phocas, in Constantinople] to order that in the old temple called the Pantheon, after the pagan filth was removed, a church should be made, to the holy virgin Mary and all the martyrs, so that the commemoration of the saints would take place henceforth where not gods but demons were formerly worshipped." I find that calling the former worshipped gods, demons is beyond corrupt. Just because there not your gods doesn't give you the right to insult religions. Infact during longer periods of time when Rome was a Pagan Empire they had longer times of religion acceptance of all religions that when Chistianity was the main religion. Infact few religions worship demons as gods and in those they don't use the western views that demons are hellish creatures. In summation, while pagan is a lose term it the common one used in almost all the episodes that have deities in it so we have to use.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 15:18, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Unnamed Gods
In season 5 episode 18 'hammer of the gods' there are at least 3 gods that I noticed went unnamed and had no role to play, lucifer not even seen killing them, im just curious as to who they are, at the dinner table, there is a blonde girl, one on the end of the right side and one sitting to the right of odin that I can recall, they all have name tags, can anyoneone zoom in enough to make out thier names????

94.0.18.237 07:06, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

oh btw that was by me.

Princepurple (talk) 07:08, November 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I was curious on that myself. I don't know why you'd make a heading here about it, I mean, they were tilted in such a way that they couldn't have been identified by their name tags. I'd imagine they either left or Lucifer slaughtered them like the rest, but seeing as Kali, one of the most powerful pagan Deities couldn't leave, I thinks it's easy to conclude that they were disemboweled. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:41 PM, November 28th 2012


 * I saw a comment a few months ago about the blond haired woman possibly being Isis but I doubt i'll be able to find it again. Also her and at least another one of the unnamed Gods were murdered by Lucifer in the Hallway scene, so apart from Kali, I don't think any of the other Gods survived. Just a note Imperiexseed, but Kali was able to leave, she just chose to stay back and fight Lucifer. It was the two Winchester boys and Gabriel that couldn't leave, because of Kali's blood binding spell. 81.100.22.136 23:13, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Respectfully your wrong, fighting was her intension through out the episode, but when lucifer arrived and she realised how outgunned she was, she tried to leave, but Lucifer stoped her, there is a line where dean says get us out of here, and she says we can't, he's stopping us, just before the masacar really starts, check the transcripts if you don't belive me. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:24, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Um, actually, I'm not wrong--Baldur, referencing himself and Kali, said they couldn't just zhazam (themselves) Dean or same out of the building. I don't recall them being that elaborate in dialogue, General, but it was pretty clear with Baldur's comment. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:54 PM, December 3rd 2012


 * It is now proven that the blond was Isis. You're welcome. He Who Shall Not Be Named By Mortals (talk) 02:53, July 19, 2013 (UTC) Kesslerbeast

Trickster abilities
Twilight despair 5, is there a reason why you put back in that tricksters can make time loops? Where is your evidence?

Well there was the fact Sam, Dean and Bobby, didn't find anything odd about a trickster being able to do it, surely if the power was beyond the race, atleast one of them would have brought up, that this trickster seemed to powerful. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:20, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Gabriel is something far more powerful than a Trickster. That is not being question. But I left it possible that Trickster can possess the power to make time-loops. As Gabriel said being a pagan god or Trickster was his witness protection, so he had to use the powers normally associate with them. Also, Sam said in Mysteroy Spot when he figured out Gabriel/Trickster was doing he said '' There is only one creature powerful enough to do what your do. Making reality out of nothingness sticking people in time-loops. infact you would have to pretty much a god, you have to be a trickster." Yes, it's also possible that trickster cannot, but I wrote it that they might have this power.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 21:22, February 6, 2013 (UTC)''

The thing is that the way you wrote it in the article makes it sound as a matter of fact, when in reality we dont know. Sam and dean had never encountered a trickster before gabriel, so they probably didnt know much about a true tricksters capabilities. Sam and dean also did not find it odd that what they thought was a trickster was creating alternate realities. Castiel had to be the one to tell them that this power was beyond a tricksters. They just didnt know any better. As it stands there is no evidence tricksters can create time loops. Than, it stands there is no evidence that tricksters cannot either. When you stand something cannot do something, it's no different than they can without evidence to support it. But, I'll go back and make it sound either or, which I thought I did, but I'll change it.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 21:36, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

It is speculation that they can do it. If you are gonna put what they may be able to do, then why stop with time loops? Why not put that they may have a killing touch to kill demons and monsters? There is no evidence that they dont have a killing touch. Does that mean we should put that in? No, because it is speculation since there is no evidence for it. I am removing the time loop reference until evidence is brought up in favor of it.


 * I don't see how this is not solved with statements like, "As the Archangel Garbiel was only masquerading as a Trickster, it is unclear whether or not real Tricksters can actually create time loops." FTWinchester (talk) 17:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Because it is known that Gabriel, while disguised as a trickster, used powers beyond that of a trickster. That is how castiel was able to figure out that they were not dealing with a trickster, and found gabriel out. Though the brothers were clueless about the powers discrepancy.


 * But that single instance alone does not prove that all other works of Gabriel as Loki were not within trickster limits (and that instance was not even about time-loops). I mean, sure, even Kali knew Gabriel for who he was--but think about this: majority of the deities did not. Had Gabriel been using archangel-level powers all the time, he would have raised a red flag. The fact that many other deities did not suspect him as an archangel means he was playing it safe some other times. Thus, the neutral statement on the lack of clarity whether time loops actually fall within or outside trickster limits. FTWinchester (talk) 19:33, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

My point was just that he went beyond trickster limits with the winchester brothers in that instance, so he could have done it before, especially since he had an interest in the brothers, and especially since the brothers were clueless about tricksters before they met gabriel, so they would have been none the wiser. As far as we know, he was not known to stick people in time loops before. Tricksters weren't known to have that power in lore.


 * "My point was just that he went beyond trickster limits with the winchester brothers in that instance, so he  could  have done it before." True. Now, can you tell me, of all the things Gabriel-as-Loki did in the course of the show, which are within trickster-levels, and which are not? If you have completed that list and correctly identified and justified them to me, then I will not bother stepping in this edit war anymore. But until you cannot be sure which instances Gabriel broke his limits, I say we stick to the neutral statement that it is unclear whether tricksters can OR cannot create time loops. FTWinchester (talk) 21:55, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

God of Thunder
Were is Thor? He did not appear with the other gods in 'hammer of the gods' along with Odin and Baldur, and his hammer was seen in that auction house, and sam actually used it on Bau, and that other god, villi? with great effect, and then, oh of course he went and left it behind because he is an idiot, like they never went back for the colt either.

But why did thor not have his beloved hammer with him? I hope his absence does not imply him to be dead, or has it been said otherwise, or has he been mentioned???

Princepurple (talk) 15:28, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Its quite possible Thor's dead, after all a lot of Deities seem to be. On the other hand he could have simply lost the hammer (that did happen every so often in the mythology) and he never found it, or perhaphs that's why Vili wanted it, he wanted to give it back to his grandson. From what we've seen most patheons have split up by this point (heck most of them didn't even get on in the myths) so him not turing up with his father and brother isn't proof anything. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:11, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Loki?
Ok, can someone explain to me, in the supernatural universe is Gabriel the only Loki ( as in every account of Loki was actually Gabriel undercover and he invented that persona) or was there already a Loki and Gabriel replaced him by either killing him or imprisoning him. Because if he did replace Loki then how come the other gods didn't wonder why Loki was suddenly much more powerful and looked different? However, if he has always been Loki, then how did he get the reputation of being Odin's son as Odin obviously didn't concieve Loki/Gabriel and therefore he and the other Norse gods would know that? Any ideas?

That's probably the fault of the show's crew, I guess. They might've wanted Gabriel to be a trickster-prank-playing being and who is the most notorius trickster of them all ? Loki. Supernatural is just a show. The sh ow only uses religious myths loosely. So they take certain liberties with the myths and alter them to the show's benefit. Don't put much thought to it.ME$$AIAH 16:30, May 19, 2013 (UTC)RaghavD

Now there's no reason to assume that there ever was a Loki, Gabriel jumped ship sometime before the norse myths were even created, its likely he's been playing Loki since the begining. To answer your question, in the actual Myths, Loki isn't the son of Odin, he's the son of the frost giant Laufey, he and Odin were friends, and virtual brothers (right up until Loki betrayed him and murdered Balder) or so the myth goes. The idea he is Odin's son (in some form) was popularised by the marvel comic, who wanted to but a cain and able spin on thor and his arch nemisis. All Gabriel would have to do, is turn up to the other Norse gods, introduced himself as Loki, make up a story and then carry on, as a trickster god no one would be to surprised at his powers, plus he presumably only uses a more limited ammount arround them. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:06, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

God bias
I tried to change the bit about god being different than others because it reeked of bias. I tried to edit it, to make it nuetral sounding. So before anyone goes and changes my edit back, I suggest a discussion as to why should that section be left sounding full of BIAS. I have nothing against anyone's beliefs. Just trying to make it less offensive to others. Do not quote real world beliefs nor bring your personal prejudices into the matter. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  12:31, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I personally had little to do with the particular section but here's my 5 cents on the matter. Perhaps describing him as a separate class from the others were unnecessarry and baseless, but he has been shown to be more powerful by a large extent in the series. One thing, creation of most of the known universe was attributed to him, and an archangel created by God easily overpowered deities from other Pantheons. In canon, there are also pagan deities who acknowledge God's superior potential--Atropos (a pagan deity herself, working for Heaven), and Beau, who quoted, "Our next lot, the Word of God...capital "G"," reflecting how capitalization of "G" in the word "god" would indicate or connote the premier deity. (Eve, who is to monsters as how God is to men, also acknowledged or referred to God as the maker of men. The Leshi had no qualms that of all the versions of the apocalypse that was going to happen, it was the Judeo-Christian version, and unlike the deities that assembled in the hotel, the Leshi did not care to put a stop to it.) I am catholic, yes, but believe me, I am one of the contributors here who advocates staunchly against real-world lore/belief bias, especially on the topic on Death reaping God. However, there are several canon events and descriptions that support the statement that the Abrahamic God, is indeed more powerful than deities of other pantheons. FTWinchester (talk) 13:25, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

(Addendum). FTWinchester  ( talk ) 13:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC
 *  "God, according to numerous other beings (including extremely powerful ones like the archangels and even  Death ) is known to be all-powerful".   This bit was already present and hence I felt that again mentioning "The most powerful deity" bit wasn't necessary. What do you think?  RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  13:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * How about this. Credited and believed to be the most powerful deity.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 17:23, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Remove God
As it keeps causing so much trouble, so many rewrites and so much personal and religious bias, shouldn't we just remove God from this page? I don't get why he's included on this page in the first place, he doesn't belong to the same class as the other gods on this list, and asside from the fact he had worshipers he doesn't share anything with him and as far as we know is he's not of the same species. I wanted to remove him why I completly rewrote this page about a year ago, but I got talked into letting it stay, but following all these problems its causing, I'm happy to repush my views. So do any of you disagree with me? General MGD 109 (talk) 19:30, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I think he should remain on this bases. That this article is a collective page of all pagan gods, and other beings viewed in any canon subject as something of a deity,  Ex how Lucifer and Eve are somewhat view by some if not all their respected creations. If you remove God from this page, he isn't a deity then, as this article is called Deities Not pagans or pagan gods. And the term deity is a base word for anything, regarded as a deity, whether it be a god, spirit, monster, angel, or even a demon like Samahain. Just I think that, the God section should be rewritren as this.

God is a deity who serves as the central icon of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). He like other deities is immortal, and has existed since the beginning of time alongside Death.

This way it doesn't overtake his power and authority, nor does it say that Death or the pagan are older or stronger or directly weaker. Any of those facts are going to be listed through the information on the pagan sections of the deities powers, as well on the history of each of God's and Death's pages.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 21:31, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I like how you worded it, Twilight Despair, but it doesn't make much sense to me for us to avoid saying the Abrahamic God is more powerful when he clearly has been shown to be so in canon, and even acknowledged by some pagan deities (please see my citations in the above section--Atropos, Beau, Eve, and Death have referenced God's superiority one way or another, directly or otherwise). Being neutral and avoiding real-life bias in creating our articles is one thing, but as General has pointed out, the show's canon itself is biased to the Abrahamic God. This would be just as bad as saying Death could not reap God because denying God is the most powerful deity in the show directly contradicts canon. Filtering the info out from the deities page but including the info on separate pages would be pointless, because the bias is still there, and will always be, since out source itself is biased. FTWinchester (talk) 21:46, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with FTWinchester, I understand trying to remain neutral not to cause bias is very important, but if the source material itself is bias then theres nothing you can really do about it. And yes this show is Bias towards the Abrahamic God. A lot of shows are bias one way or the other, purely because who ever writes the show like to put there own beliefs and ideals into there creations, but that normally doesn't really matter, it is fiction after all, its only when its really offensive to someone its a problem. All in all, FTWinchester is right, trying to remain PC with a shows thats not is virtually impossible, expecially when you only focus on one page out of about thirty. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:06, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ok I have no problem detailing God's greater power as its canon. But on the (God) section just state in the best no opinioned word that he the strongest deity, with not every other sentence being about that. As the underline point he is a god, just not a pagan one and worlds more powerful, but still a deity and this page is about all deities.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:53, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I think I agree with that, provided I'm not misreading what you've wrote (it has happened before), shall simply settle it on that? General MGD 109 (talk) 01:31, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be best. On the God Section, we state canon information toward his superior power and status. But we don't overdo it and state it to the best of our abilities that it's not (our) opinion, but facts in the series, as this page is about the deities as a whole. The pagan or other cultured gods, the beings that have a deity's status via by some standard like, Examples Eve as her role as the Mother of All or Lucifer for creating demons and being so powerful, and God (as his power and status is separate from the other examples of deities or beings of deity status.).&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 16:25, July 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * You, then, misunderstand the purpose of this page. If I remember, I created it - for the purpose of documenting each and every deity in Supernatural, which would include, wait for it, wait for it. ....God. And, to be fair, none of these deities can be considered of the same species. They're just related in that they're gods, with the one true God. This page has really gotten out of hand. -- ImperiexSeed, 12:31 PM, July 29th 2013
 * The page is supposed to be of every deity seen/mentioned on Supernatural. But going by the number of times the word PAGAN has been spilled on the page, anyone would assume that it is only about Gods from other religions, thus eliminating the need for God to be mentioned at all. RaghavD   Taking the ROAD less travelled  16:42, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well its difficult to do anything about that, they make up the majority of the contence, at the end of the day there is only One God (in the show of course) and the other potential millions are all pagans, as such it makes sense to designate almost all of the page to them, don't you agree. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:03, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * God is absolutely a deity. Well, yes, but that would be like saying, "oh, let's designate the whole Angel page to Castiel because he's appeared the most." That type of thinking should be avoided. Supernatural differs in that there's truly more than one God existing, but He who is holy is still a God. For instance, Raphael appeared more than any other Archangel (not counting Lucifer's in Season 7), but Michael's still an Archangel. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:08 PM, July 29th 2013
 * I suppose, but thats a bit of a streched example. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:44, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Neither of those examples are stretched. If we're going to lump, say, Mercury with gods we should do the same for the I Am. -- ImperiexSeed, 3:48 PM, July 29th 2013
 * You misread General's statement. He was saying about the page's contents and you mistook it entirely. I agree with General. Also like I said before, if the word PAGAN is to be used like a thousand times on the page, then there is no need for God to be existing on the same page. It is nothing short of blasphemous, wouldn't you agree Imperiex?  RaghavD  Born Sinner, the opposite of a Winner  13:20, July 30, 2013 (UTC)