Talk:Princes of Hell

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With the reveal of the Princes and their history, Azazel's quote ("The others have lost faith. Dickless heathens! But not me.") from Lucifer Rising certainly has a new meaning. Gabriel456 (talk) 23:34, February 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree but that's unconfirmed.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 00:52, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * ...I didn't imply, say nor mean that it was confirmed, I was just pointing out how it can be seen differently now. Gabriel456 (talk) 02:06, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, I was just pointing out a fact.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 02:14, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

More humans in the Garden of Eden
For the Princes of Hell to be created after Lilith but before Cain, doesn't that imply that there were other humans apart from Lilith, Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?

Jmac 703 (talk) 03:14, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing though: Cain is implied to have lived years before he became a demon. He lived long enough to spawn a bloodline he felt to be tainted by the Mark of Cain, meaning he had his children after he got the Mark. It could've been many years between the creation of Lilith and the creation of the Princes.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 03:35, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * That is an excellent point and makes it make sense. Another thing that the Princes of Hell raise: so they were made to be Lucifer's heir and to rule Hell, but in the earlier seasons, Lilith is said to be the one of highest authority and the heir to the throne. Can anyone clarrify this?
 * Easy: she was the First Demon and they were next after her. When trying to make Ramiel King of Hell, Crowley notes that he's next in line with Azazel and Lilith dead as a Prince of Hell. Its possibly Lilith had no desire to rule as she left Azazel in charge even before he was killed.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 10:10, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * I get that, but doesn't Crowley say that they were made to be Lucifer's heir (as their name suggests)? Where then does that leave Lilith (prior to Lilith and Azazel's death)? Are you saying Lilith would be the first heir?Jmac 703 (talk) 11:12, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Truth be told, whether Lilith or Azazel is the highest-ranking demon has been debated at length on the wiki for years with barely any common ground, so the latter being established as a Prince of Hell confounds it even further. Based on this quote by Eric Kripke in an interview, "Lilith is higher than Azazel, Yellow-Eyes. She's a pretty high echelon demon, you don't get pretty much higher than her until you start diffing into Lucifer territory.", both I question why the current showrunners didn't go with that to make both her and Alistair (the only other known white-eyed demon) as Princes of Hell instead of Azazel. 70.93.90.147 13:58, February 24, 2017 (UTC)