Talk:Castiel

04:01, May 7, 2011 (UTC)Can Cas be considered a antagonist now?
Given the events of "The man who would be king." can he be considered a villain?

Not yet in my opinion.... I don't think his "villainization" has been set in stone yet.Resistancefighter 04:01, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

No, in my honest opinion, right now, I believe that classing him and labling him a villain would be incorrect... Let's wait for further information before making such a change to his page... -- ImperiexSeed, 12:16 AM, May 7th 2011

No, I think Castiel is more of an Anti-Hero--Voyagersknight 14:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

@Voyagersknight I couldn't have said it better! He's an anti-hero for sure.... Resistancefighter 19:16, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Does he will appear in season 7 later than he died?....castiel2000 7:56,nov 27,2011

Castiel is an anti-hero in season 4, a main protagonist in season 5 and a supporting antagonist in seasons 6 and 7

Is He Become "GOD"?
Is He Become As Powerful as real God Or Just some Other Very Powerful Deity (like as powerful as Mother of all?)

I think Cas is just a really powerful deity as of right now.... he's beyond powerful, but only because of the monsters he's absorbed. His reach is beyond anything we can think of but still finite as a far as I can tell from what we've seen in the finale. Resistancefighter12:10, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

--It is confirmed now by Death in season 7 that he had become no more than a "mutated angel." Basically, aborbing all those souls, including the Leviathan, made him powerful, but at a cost. It was burning up his vessel and literally almost tore him apart.

Vashtari19:33, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

No. Even after absorbing all the powers of Purgatory's souls he was still no match for Death who was completely unimpressed with Castiel's new power.L4D2 Ellis 23:00, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

The great being Chestnut
Using a translator from Latin to English, Castiel means: Chestnut, a chestnut or chestnut. Interesting isn't it? Also Castiel's name was spoken by Sam in Red Sky at Morning while summoning the ghost brother, if you listen carefully one of the first few words Sam says is "Castiel"--Alpha Lycos 08:34, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

-- Cassiel (go to Wikipedia for that) is one of the 7 archangels mentioned in post-biblical lore. I think they simply altered his name so it would sound cooler. I haven't seen anything from the writers on his name though. Since the other names, like Raphael and Uriel are from the same angelic lore, it makes sense that they would pull from that.

Vashtari 06:44, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Another Power

Especially in the last few episodes of season 6 he is shown to be invisible to those he doesn't want to be able to see him (or at least to the winchesters and bobby), shouldn't this be added to his powers? 145.94.229.125 14:54, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Did Castiel die on his own after returning all the souls to Purgatory, or did Death kill him, because, I recall Death telling Sam and Dean to "get Castiel to return the souls to Purgatory, and he'll take care of the rest."98.243.113.206 01:09, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

In reply to the last, no death did not say he would take care of the rest, he just said he would make another eclipse.

Im sure its just one of those things people forget about so here this is the clip with that part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2bKwFDd1EY Bullet7314 03:04, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

This article needs severe cleanup
I edited an early portion where someone stated as a fact that Castiel became God, when Death later mentioned he was simply a mutated angel from absorbing the souls. I hope that someone can go through and properly clean up this rather messy article. So many go in and add loads of crap without reading to see if there's any redundancy. Wikia's website does have proper templates to use. No one will take Supernatural Wikia very seriously if there's lots of incorrect info around here. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy, and it would require re-watching old stuff and looking up articles for citation. Meanwhile I would ask that one of the admins tag this article for cleanup.

Vashtari 06:44, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

He became a deity briefly, even the supernatural Superwiki states this. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Castiel.: The Twilight of Your Despair 19:37, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

--Like I said, he didn't become "God" himself. He may have attained powers like a lesser deity, but in the end he was nothing more than an angel who absorbed more power from the souls. The Superwiki isn't a legit source because anyone can edit it. Unless things are cited by a legit source, such as the writers themselves in an interview we can link to, don't just take everything another wiki says as fact. It won't hold up here at all. I don't think you understand how Wikis and the Wikia really work, if you're willing to say "The superwiki says so." If you haven't noticed, they're as weak and dirty as bathwater unless the right people come in with good, solid resources.

Vashtari 20:05, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I meant, he became a deity not a deity like God.: The Twilight of Your Despair 20:58, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

--I still think the Superwiki's claim is inaccurate. I've not read anything official stating he truly became a deity. From what I've seen first hand, it was the powers of the souls, particularly the Leviathan, that gave him strong power. He had altered power. He wasn't born into it, therefore being anything like a deity, such as the pagan gods, or even a daeva, wouldn't apply to him. In all cases that we've seen a true deity, they were naturally occuring. Unless Castiel ate ambrosia and became a god that way, I doubt he'd ever truly be one. That's why I keep saying he wasn't a deity. I only go based on the facts the show presents.

Everyone's still debating on whether or not Chuck is god, and they haven't said yes or no, so we can't say he was, lol.

Vashtari 21:03, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Castiel &amp; Cassiel
I changed Notes to Trivia. I also added that Castiel is based off of Cassiel. I can't find the official references to this, but there are several people who have found this. If someone has a solid producer reference, I'd be very grateful for someone to add that in.

Cassiel's ruling day is Saturday. Uriel and Cassiel are 2 of 3 angels (along with Machatan) who are mentioned as being the angels of Saturday, which is where I believe the mentorship between the two stems from. Most of these cases are with Kabbalah. There are also 7 archangels in mythology, Cassiel and Uriel being among the 7. I wish the sources I listed were stronger, however, from reading both, it sounds like both sources did a lot of research, but failed to list their own sources.

— Vashtari |( Talk to me! 06:47, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Castiel has Relativitic reaction time, and Masssively Faster than Light
castiel was able to search an entire city ( every nook and cranny) in literally a small few seconds and low tier angels such as castiel at the time can move thousands of kilometers to places like jerusalem and back in short time frames as well. So the very least Castiel has relativistic reaction time and is massively Faster than Light.

Castiel as a Seraph
I've heard it on the latest episode. My only qualm is how and since when? Any ideas?

FTWinchester (talk) 03:12, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't really like that revelation, to be honest. While I like that it gives us more information on the character, "seraph" seems like it might be too high-ranking for him; I always pictured him as more as more middle-lower-ish on the hierarchy. But I guess if it bothers me that much, I can just fanwank that he was originally lower-ranking but God brought him back as a seraph in "Swan Song" as a reward for his loyalty/help. (It also makes it a little likelier than he held Raphael and half of Heaven off for over a year, even with Crowley's fifty-thousand soul loan.)

I think that's what happened. Castiel was fairly weak in season 4 and was easily overpowered by Alistair twice. While not exactly canon, there has been evidence that Castiel was brought back stronger at the end of "Swan Song" and it was just revealed that he was specifically a Seraph. It makes a lot more sense for the angels to have followed Castiel's leadership against Raphael as a Seraph than as a regular angel.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 03:40, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

That is also what I was thinking--that when he said God made him better, he was perhaps turned into a Seraph. Thanks. I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking it was post season 5 that he began to rank as a Seraph.

FTWinchester (talk) 03:53, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I believed the same thing as well because we only know of 4 angel classes, Archangels, Seraphs, Angels and Cherubs. Cherubs are supposedly the lowest so when Castiel said that he was "new and improved", I figured that he rosed to at least Seraph level but not Archangel level as he was no match for Raphael.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 04:07, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think we need to give him a S8 picture
He hasn't been been back in the living world so maybe until then we should give him a S8 profile pic. I mean it seems approprate and up to date.MrAnonymous (talk) 04:26, November 1, 2012 (UTC)MrAnonymous

Vs. Leviathans
Why did Cass try to use his 'smiting touch' on the leviathans in Purgatory? Does that mean he could have done that all along? FTWinchester (talk) 03:07, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well that was really more of a "last resort" thing, there wasnt much more he could do other than try, even if chances are 100 to 0 of him failing to smite them. Winchester7314 (talk) 03:06, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Probably. But I'm thinking Castiel is really more powerful than he seems to be, as if the writers really want us to see how he is slowly becoming more and more powerful. FTWinchester (talk) 03:07, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Castiel is Metatron
Anyone else think this is coming in the story? Ill bet my beard on it that they write in Cas as Metaron having lost his memory. It is probably why the tablet reacted that way when he touched it a few episodes ago. Maybe because he wrote it, it has some power to free him from Naomi's influence...Thoughts?

I'll give the answer only if you wanna be spoiled for the future episode.L4D2 Ellis (talk) 04:52, April 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Castiel is not Metatron. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:22 PM, April 4th 2013
 * Agreed, he was only a regular angel, then got upgraded by God to the rank of Seraph, why would Michael allow his brother to think he was just a regular angel if he lost his memory? And Castiel mentions watching man for millions of years, while Metatron left at somepoint after creation was finished. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:47, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if...
...Castiel holding Dick Roman's head back by the hair is really a feat of incredible strength. I mean, all he has to do is... grab the hair. It's not like Dick's body has an anti-"being grabbed" ability; it's just a physical body. And Cas only grabbed him for a few seconds. It just seems really odd to me that simply grabbing Dick is considered being better at "holding his own" against leviathans than other angels in the Notes section. Ensephylon (talk) 20:23, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Well Roman is the strongest and most powerful Leviathan there is, but you have a point, probably best to see what other users say. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:41, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * The beasts, called the Leviathans, are stronger than Angels, yes. And, I agree, it was a remarkable feat. But, he only needed to restrain him for a few seconds for Dean to stab him. -- ImperiexSeed, 4:47 PM, May 3rd 2013


 * I would like to point out that even Sam got in a few punches on George the leviathan in "Out With The Old", and Dean hit Joyce with an trophy which knocked her head to the side as it would with anyone else. To me, that shows that a leviathan's body is just a physical shell that can be manipulated by anyone. How strong a leviathan is shouldn't have any effect on that; it's literally just a transfer of kinetic energy as is anything else. In fact, if they did have some sort of resistance toward being pulled/punched/held/whatever, then cutting their heads off with machetes shouldn't work because logically, the blade wouldn't be able to cut through them, not would bullets be able to penetrate them. Granted, Castiel held back Dick, who is stronger than Cas, but Joyce and George are probably the same distance (if not further) away from Sam and Dean in terms of power that Dick is from Cas. Ensephylon (talk) 21:01, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * That is a very good point. General MGD 109 (talk) 21:08, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. And yes, in vessels, on Earth, the Leviathans are confined to the laws of physics - or, the vessels, which they are using, are. But, Angels aren't, as they can, apparently, utilize the power of flight in a vessel. Take, for instance, the confrontation in "Lazarus Rising." When Dean stabbed Castiel with the Knife, it didn't budge the vessel Castiel was using. So, theoretically, an Angel could not be pushed. So, in vessels, they show no signs that they're confined by inertia-- ImperiexSeed, 7:00 PM, May 5th 2013
 * That is a point about angels, but Ensephylon does have a point, grasping Roman's head back isn't so much of a feat, if he held it there it would be. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:38, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, but you have to keep in mind that, while they're constrained by the laws of physics, Leviathans possess super strength in vessels. So, Dick should've been able to snap/whip his snap back, as he's stronger than Angels. But, like I said, all Dean needed was that one second. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:44 PM, May 6th 2013


 * And perhaps he could have done that had Dean not taken the opening when he did. But simply grabbing Dick and pulling him back isn't impressive; what would have been impressive is if we had seen Dick try to pull away from Cas only to be unable to do so. Ensephylon (talk) 22:49, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Redundant section. Rehash needed.
I've tried to initiate rewriting this, but General MD has been adamant about me not altering this page. So I would like to call to the community's attention my felt need to rewrite this article and my issue on redundancy. My gripe about this is that the article is so lengthy, which, is not really bad in itself. However, if you take the time to actually read this page, it is composed of many redundant statements.

Case in point--describing Castiel's powers in his 'Soul-boosted' phase. The line 'Mutated (angel)' has been used six(!!!) times in the whole article, and the lack of 'flapping wings' implying a change in his 'true form' in conjunction to the 'Mutated (angel)' is written on the page three times. In the page's state before I tried to rewrite it, Death dismissing Castiel's powers was even stated three times as well---all in one section (it's currently still sitting at two). Is it really that necessary to mention it that much?

It doesn't add anything more to what was already implied the first time it was mentioned. Granted, the second time may be for emphasis, but six times? Really? It's like a child writing to reassure and convince him/herself that Godstiel was nothing more than a mutated angel and that he couldn't threaten Death and the real God. I don't see the literary point in it. The page is not an argument for debate. FTWinchester (talk) 12:39, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

True that, FTWinchester. Even I've observed the repetitive use of Mutated Angel. Once or twice should be more than enough. The whole article is just beating around the bush.ME$$AIAH 16:59, May 27, 2013 (UTC)RaghavD

Human castiel's Vessal.
With Castiel losing his grace and becoming human, does this trap him inside his Vessal? I thought Jimmy was still alivw, in which isn't it now a case of 2 souls inone body? How does this work, or is did Castiels grace removal send Jimmy's soul to Heaven?

Princepurple (talk) 16:13, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

I thought Dean said something like "one-way trip to Heaven" when you cure a demon, probably the same as when an angel loses their grace, similar to Anna.

Gurgatory (talk) 16:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

If Jimmy's soul ever comes back it will look funny with 2 x his vessal at once hehe, does this mean that castiel is still in a vessal though? but just an empty one? and does this mean that Jimmy cannot be resurrected?

2.219.30.120 12:00, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Cas was very powerful as "God". Would I be right to assume that this means he was powerful enough to have killed Lucifer if he had wanted to?

The counter for that, as most people speculate is that, Castiel was keen on keeping Lucifer and Michael caged even after he became "Godstiel", so he couldn't be as powerful as God (who is supposed to be the strongest and by default, stronger than Lucifer). Even Death dismissed him off saying he was just a mutated angel at the most. RaghavD  Taking the ROAD less travelled  05:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The the person didn't say that Castiel was as powerful as God, but he/she did ask if he were more powerful than Lucifer. I'd say yes, even if he wanted to keep Michael and Lucifer in the Cage. Castiel did say he wanted to do away with Hell entirely. I think the only reason why Castiel didn't want to deal with Michael and Lucifer was because he still had an innate fear of them both, because he always knew them as the two most powerful angels. It also makes no sense that he was willing to take on Death and not the two Archangels when Death is far more powerful than any being other than God himself. L4D2 Ellis (talk) 17:45, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not pitching in the Godstiel vs. Michael/Lucifer to avoid another slip into arguments, I would just like to react on the first question posted. Some say Jimmy is already dead since Castiel has been killed at least twice by very powerful creatures. However, angels couldn't walk the earth without a proper vessel, so Jimmy has to be alive still. The same problem is presented with the cured demons. They never really explained what happens to the vessel once the demon becomes human again. At least I don't recall any. FTWinchester (talk) 01:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, my reasoning for why I believe Jimmy is still alive, is why would God ressurrect Castiel, but not also his vessel? Look at it this way, each time God ressurrected Cas, he "reconsitutied" Jummy in the process, wheras he could have simply done the latter alone and Cas would have just moved on to  a new vessel (e.g Jimmy's daughter) after the death/destruction of his previous one  (ala Raphael). My point is I honestly can not believe God would restore a person in body, but not in soul, just to continue to serve as an angel's vessel as an empty shell. 107.194.27.250 07:24, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Affiliations
Should Meg be added under "affiliations" (in the side bar)? Their relationship seems substantial enough to be included, I just wasn't sure if there was a specific criterion for inclusion in this section. Honestly, he was also allies with Crowley for a good sized chunk of Season 7, so it would make sense for there to be a "Formerly" affiliation for him as well, being that neither are really included in the " Winchester Family ", which tends to be a catch all.

And what does it mean by "Himself" in that section? Is that referring to when he was a self proclaimed god at the beginning of Season 7 ? Or does it have to do with him breaking his ties to the Angels? Or what? Either way, is it really necessary? Paradox Wolf (talk) 10:28, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Crowley should also be mentioned in the Affiliations section. He didn't really affiliate with Meg. Their relationship stemmed from circumstances. Like he needed her for one or two occassions. She just tagged along out of love for him. Crowley on the other hand was a "business partner". And I'm guessing, the Himself must be during the Godstiel phase. RaghavD All I need is ONE life, ONE try, ONE breath, I'm ONE man  13:50, October 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * One of the reasons that I think Meg should be included is because he's included in her Affiliations. Also, she was his "nurse" and one of the few people that he trusted after leaving the hospital, calling her his "caretaker", saying that she was the "saint that stayed with him, and that he owed her" (assuming that we believe Meg, and given most of what Cas was doing and saying at this point, I do). In Season 8, before her death, she hinted at wanting the two of them to start a physical relationgship (how this would be accomplished given angel's supposed lack of "junk" is debatable, but irrelevant), which Castiel did not seem to be against. This all makes it seem to me like he felt that there was a fairly substantial relationship there. But maybe I've misinterpreted what this section is for.


 * Either way, I'm glad that we agree on Crowley. Paradox Wolf (talk) 03:42, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Castiel lost and regained another grace
If Castiel has got Theo's grace does that mean he is a Angel or a Seraph I am so confused? is he a Seraph or Angel currently?


 * An angel, currently. At least, that's how it's presented in the dialogue of the episode. So, no, he's not a seraph. Here, read this. I hope it helps with your confusion: "You got your mojo back," Dean asks. "I don't know, but I am an angel," replies Castiel. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:12 PM, January 11th 2014