Talk:Monster

Needs a quote
Does anyone remeber a good quote for monsters, that we can put on this page, all the other important pages have one. General MGD 109 23:28, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Not quite sure. Can't seem to remember one that collaborates all them, there's ones that individually describes them, not as a whole. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:36 PM, July 17th 2012

I know, me neither thats why I put the question on here, I figured some one would remeber one, my best guess is it would have been said in the sixth season, that was the surposed monster season. General MGD 109 23:43, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Like there's some for Wendigos, Werewolves, and Shapeshifters, yes. However, there's not one that depicts and circulates them all, possibly other than Eve's comment of them. Maybe she let one slip. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:46 PM, July 17th 2012


 * That's what I figured, now we just have to wait till some one else thinks of one, or remeber one. On another subject, is there a quote on the ghost page? General MGD 109 23:49, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Visyak?
As she's mentioned in apperances as a monster, and is a native of Purgetory (which I assume means, her soul goes there when she dies, as nothing naturally lives in Purgetory, as it was made as a prison.) Shouldn't she be mentioned somewhere on this list? General MGD 109 (talk) 22:26, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for one thing, we don't know what type of monster she was. So, where would you say we list her? -- ImperiexSeed, 9:17 PM, August 16th 2012


 * Personally, I think we should make a page for her race of Monster ("Visyak's Race" maybe) that way she can be listed. AaronHW (talk) 03:35, August 17, 2012 (UTC)AaronHW


 * I like that idea, I'll do it. General MGD 109 (talk) 17:15, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, no, no. Definitely not. Her race was not even seen/mentioned, so no. Sorry, but we know nothing of her race, so making a page for it would be unnecessary. -- ImperiexSeed, 1:39 PM, August 17th 2012


 * We do know a few things (powers for instance,) but I surpose your right, it isn't enough information to make a page, I'm sorry I didn't see your addition till after I made the page. General MGD 109 (talk) 18:26, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fine, it's just doesn't warrant an entire page. For future reference, if we don't know the name of something, the race (biology, traits, nature), or the like, please don't make a page for it. Thanks. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:57 PM, August 17th 2012


 * I personally think it does, and I vote for a petition to remove the page from speedy deletion. Wikis are supposed to list all possible things that can be known from a certain universe.


 * The article is short, definitely, and many info were not explicitly named, but we do know canon things both explicit and implicit about her species. In fact, we know more things about her species than we do with Rawheads, which doesn't seem to be attracting much qualms about its page existing.


 * FTWinchester (talk) 15:50, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Votes 2 Leviathans vs 10 jefferson starships who won

Shapeshifters eating humans?

Isn't it possible that Edgar mean shapeshifters are vunerable to vamptonite in general. Because assuming that shapeshifters dont eat humans and eat the same food humans do then presumably they'd still be poisoned by it. Which would make more sense as the leviathan were trying to exterminate all things which kill humans or eat them. So it's more likely shapeshifters don't eat humans but actually are just vunerable to the syrup.

Ranking Queries
Although not mentioned in the series, the Ōkami is stated in Bobby Singer's Guide to Hunting to be pretty much a Japanese werewolf. I don't know for sure if the book is canon, but it is official. The Ōkami in the book is the same Ōkami that Bobby references in the episode Weekend at Bobby's. Even so, the criteria for ranking monsters on this page is a bit vague, to begin with. I suggest we rank the Ōkami along with the Werewolf. FTWinchester (talk) 19:37, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

So there similair in traits, that doesn't put them on the same level, Werewolves are higher-tier monsters, when ever they refer to one, it near always described in a way showing great respect and fear for them, for example when listing his achivements, in a self motivation speach (Of Grave Importance), of all the monsters he's ever faced, Bobby chose werewolves, likewise Dean describes them as "Bad Ass" and "Powerful" (Heart). The Okami in "Weekend At Bobbys" Didn't seem to be that powerful, I mean granted Bobby only defeats it using a food chipper, but still, it was hardly that strong, from what we've seen it doesn't seem strong enough to rank it in the same level, Skinwalkers have also been called the cousin of the werewolf, but there hardly of the same rank. If it returns, and if proves tougher, then yes it can be moved up, but until then all the evidence we have say its weaker monsters. General MGD 109 (talk) 22:28, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * The book did not just say cousin. The book meant similar in every way other than their geographical distribution and weakness. Jefferson Starships were supposedly the perfect beast, but in their debut and only appearance, they were also killed rather easily by Sam and Dean in the precinct. FTWinchester (talk) 23:32, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well the thing is books can't always be taken for face value, and my point is the Okami didn't seem that powerful in the episode. As for the Jefferson Starships, in all fairness there were only three of them, two were killed by the four, and they may have been strong monsters, but Bobby, Sam, Dean and Cass are all highly capable fighters, the fact they carry silver knifes gave them a edge over them. Besides don't forget Eve was still working out the kinks at the time, the ones near the end, fared a lot better, so perhaphs she had only just finished perfecting them. By the way, thanks about the Banshee, I was unaware of this information. General MGD 109 (talk) 23:54, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright. Anyway, before I start correcting spelling on the feeding habits, do you recall any instance saying dragons feed solely on virgins? As far as I remember, they were only abducting virgins to find Eve a vessel. FTWinchester (talk) 00:04, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad you've seen sense, and I know it wasn't stated, but it is implied, for starters one of the distingushing traits, they use to identify them is the virgins, something which is common in european dragon lore (and some asian I think) second they only needed one girl to be Eve's vessel, what do you think all the others ones they captured were for? Thirdly it stands to reason, as at no point were they shown abducting anyother type of person, so what did they eat? It wasn't directly stated, but its quiet obvious from the episode thats what they do, plus thats what the real world lore says, so its mearly a case of putting two and two togther. General MGD 109 (talk) 00:10, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * You can't blame me for asking. I have experienced a lot of double standards in this wiki where someone would not take an implicit canon reference but would accept info from vaguely canon sources. At least the debate would be limited on the talk page instead of becoming an edit tug-of-war. FTWinchester (talk) 00:13, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't blame you, your perfectly right to check, I to have experianced this problem, and undid countless edits where just that had happened. General MGD 109 (talk) 00:21, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Shapeshifters?
when edgar points out that the food additive kills shifters couldnt he just have meant that if shifters eat actual food with the additve they'll die? cause shifters have never been seen eating or even expressing the desire to eat humans so presumably they eat something else. and if that was just regular food then the shifters might just die when eating that rather than eating humans. does that make more sense?

Let's not forget, Leviathan are way, way older than humans, and even Angels and Archangels. So they'd know a lot about the nature and characteristics of a Shapeshifter. So, if they said a Shifter would die upon eating their additive, it likely implies that they need nourishment, or even that they need human food. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:24 PM, February 14th 2013

Familiar?
Are Familiar's really monsters? They admit that if there not it begs the question what are they. But they don't seem like monsters, they seem more akin to Gollems, creatures created by magic. Should we class them as monsters or not? What do you think. General MGD 109 (talk) 20:54, April 28, 2013 (UTC)