Talk:The Colt

Shots
In S4.E03, Dean never fired the gun at Azazel, so the bullets were not used. In S5.E04, Not only was the gun not fired, but if it was, it wouldn't count because it was used in an alternate future.

In S5.E10, Crowley kills the demons before giving it to Sam and Dean, and Dean shoots a Hellhound before getting to Lucifer. LazerWulf 06:41, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

is it possible that the gun doesn't work because he only uses 'normal bullets' and not a 'colt 13' bullets on lucifer?

--No. The show canon is that the Colt cannot kill Lucifer. As it was said as part of dialogue in the show, it's canonical, and thus trumps any fan speculation (such as differentiating between normal and original bullets). KevinTheDestoryer 20:39, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Possible origin
I am not stating fact here, just a theoretical idea that we can disscuss.

Upon wondering how Samuel Colt made the gun.

Well aswell as the knife which may be older, Deaths sythe may of somehow been used, since for time Death lost possesion of it and i somehow doubt that Death would lend it to Alastair, more like he somehow stole it, but at some point Colt got his hands on it and somehow used it to craft a gun that kills almost anything but since the sythe was used to help, it is not near the sythes power.

Or colt may have made a deal with death somehow, and, knowing it could be used by the winchesters later, empowered it with near limitless killing power.

Theres also the knife, as Ruby may of made it, but she is not as old as some witches that have appeared, and they have not shown any knowledge like it. Ruby knew how to fix the colt aswell.

94.0.33.248 01:39, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Invulnerability to the Colt?
The page here says that the Colt can't kill God and the four archangels, and then speculated that it is probably God, Death, Michael and Lucifer (excluding the two younger and weaker archangels).

Can't it be that it is 1) God, 2) Death, 3) the four archangels as a collective, and probably 4) Eve (can only be killed by phoenix ashes) and the 5) Leviathans? Then again we still have the aboslutely immortal four horsemen of the apocalypse (or can we group them all with Death?).

I dont think that Leviathanes are imune. It was never tried on them but onely five things it cant kill and Eve was never confirmed that she was imune to the colt.

FTWinchester (talk) 03:01, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, God and Death precede creation, so they would not be one of the five things in all creation the Colt can't kill. To continue, aside from himself, Lucifer did not specify what the other things he spoke of were, so it is uncertain whether he meant indivually or collectively. In conculsion, I have say no to the list you suggested as it far too speculative to be considered as fact. 108.225.238.59 08:48, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's speculative, that's why I posted it here in the talk instead. Because I was merely pointing out that the five creatures could be interpreted as pertaining to collective species as opposed to individuals. Furthermore, given the updated lore, I was also asking for opinions on what those five things were.

FTWinchester (talk) 11:00, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it still unknown who or what the five things Lucifer spoke are nor has the series touched upon the subject again since "Abandon All Hope...", so I am unable to give a valid opinion as I would only be grasping at straws. 107.194.26.5 18:49, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

All we know for sure is that Lucifer said that he was one of five things in creation that the colt cannot kill. But, to his knowledge maybe it is just five things. However, it could be more as despite holding cosmic awareness he isn't all knowing.--&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 01:02, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Where is the colt ?
We have not seen the colt since Dean tried to kill Lucifer with it, so were is it? Or they hiding it so they can keep it safe and are waiting to use it until they realy need it?

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Have the same question. And else more - why, WHY they don't use (or even TRY to use) it against Leviathans? Lucifer says that Colt can't kill only 5 creations in the world, and i don't think he has mentioned this monsters (IMHO they are: The God, The Death, four Archangel, Eve and something don't shown).

91.203.168.57 17:36, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

The last we saw of the Colt was in Season 5, when Dean dropped it in that field after failing to kill Lucifer with it. Additionally, I think God and Death are automatically immune to the Colt's power, since they aren't technically "in creation." I have no idea why Eve would be immune, since she's just a freak offshoot of the leviathans. Personally, I just think that Lucifer was referring to the (now retroactively five) Archangels - himself, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Metatron. 70.245.29.157 12:24, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * That could very well be--seeing as Lucifer said there's five thing that gun (the Colt) can't kill, and there are five Archangels. And yes, God and Death, being before time itself, would automatically be immune to the Colt. Well, the Mother of All--Eve--can only be killed by Phoenix ash, and the Colt's not Phoenix ash (....obviously....), so it could be possible that she's immune to the Colt. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:29 PM, February 21st 2013


 * Actually, Imperiex, the show never says that ONLY Phoenix ash can kill her. The exact quote was, if memory serves, "The ashes of a phoenix can burn the mother." It just says that they can, not that they alone can. KevinTheDestoryer (talk) 14:25, February 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Plus, even if Phoenix ash is the only thing that could kill Eve under normal circumstances, the Colt can get around other "this is the only thing that can kill them" rules such as vampires only being susceptible to beheadings, so its effectiveness on Eve would still be in question. 70.245.29.157 21:53, February 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Uh....no. Big difference. For Eve, her only weakness is something of supernatural origin - something paranormal, in other other words. For Vamps, a beheading is a normal weakness. So, naturally, the Colt would bypass the Vamps' only one weakness whereas the Eve already has a set-in supernatural weakness. -- ImperiexSeed, 10:57 PM, February 22nd 2013


 * How do we know that her weakness to phoenix ash isn't natural? Granted; to us, the viewers, it seems mystical and special, but from her perspective it could just be an everyday thing (or at least as "everyday" as phoenixes get). For example, dead man's blood (a natural substance) affects vampires, but not humans. Iron (another natural substance) affects many things such as demons and spirits, but not humans. Borax (natural) burns leviathans, but not humans. Iridium (natural) is naturally lethal to the alpha shapeshifter, but not to humans. In the same vein, phoenix ash affects Eve, but not humans or anything else that we know of. Therefore, phoenix ash would simply be another natural substance that is lethal to whatever species Eve belongs to but is harmless to other species. Yes, it comes from a phoenix, but from an objective point of view, phoenixes are just another kind of creature that happen to produce a natural substance (special ash) upon death in the same way that when we die, our blood becomes poisonous to vampires. The Colt, however, is imbued with magic that bypasses a creature's immunity and kills it outright regardless of what their natural "kryptonite" is. 70.245.29.157 08:57, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

With Abaddon on the chessboard this question is now, more than ever, very relevant. The writers seem really intent on dropping the subject of the Colt if they don't even mention that it can't kill Abaddon. (used a different computer, that was me). FTWinchester (talk) 19:15, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Theres no reason it shouldn't kill Abaddon, it can kill every other demon, including ones stronger than Abaddon. General MGD 109 (talk) 19:14, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. But Carver seems to have conveniently forgotten about it. FTWinchester (talk) 19:15, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Translation

Wouldn't a better translation of the phrase on the Colt be "Fear No Evil"?

Just curious, I'm not really an expert on Latin.

76.16.126.243 00:36, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

The 5 things in creation the Colt can't kill.
What are the other four things the Colt can't kill? Is it collective or individual, also? It's possible, though, that some of this things haven't been mentioned yet. If it's individual, for possibilities, I'd say Michael ('cause Luci is), Dick, Edgar and can't think of a fifth. If collective, so far, I can only think of Archangels and Leviathans. But you can also, realistically, denounce ghosts and Horsemen ('cause Horsemen can't die while their attribute exists and ghosts can't die again). However, every other class of angel, demon, monster, fairy can be killed by the Colt. God, Death, and Eve (who probably isn't part of creation) aren't even tallied in, because they're before creation. -- ImperiexSeed, 2:18 AM, January 3rd 2014

It's heavily implied Eve descended from the Leviathan so she would qualify as part of creation along with angels, demons, monsters ect. However it's never stated whether pagan gods were created by God or not or how fairies originated but it's safe to assume fairies were created by God, although why he would make them and why he would choose to create another dimension entirely for them I have no idea. The only things that predate creation are the horsemen and God. Also demons are just evil ghosts in essence so you can't be sure the colt can't destroy spirits. As for the five things, I would guess Angels (including the archangels), Leviathan, Eve, and no clue for the other two. I doubt it's individuals as Lucifer said "things" not "people" but it could really be either.


 * No Horseman, but Death, predate creation. Famine came after famine, War came after war and Pestilence came after....guess what....pestilence. In fact, nothing in the series' universe predates creation but God, Death, and possibly Eve. It was highly, well, implicated that she was somehow distantly related to them. Edgar's statement and her bleeding black goo makes it all too obvious. This unequivocal distance is proven by the fact that something other than the bone weapon can kill her. She could be, like, the result of a Leviathan and something else breeding. Which, even that, makes no sense cause there was nothing before the Leviathan (besides God and Death) for them to breed with. But, many users can't come to some consensus, even still, about how, in what way, she was related to Leviathan. According to a lore book in "Phantom Traveler," entities that use vessels (like angels, demons and ghosts) are batted down considerably. So, in a vessel, a ghost could be killed by the Colt. On the subject, the Horsemen's human physiologies could be torn to ribbons if hit with the Colt, while the Horseman itself would survive. There's no way God would create the fairies in supernatural, on a basis with two reasons. I'd say the Colt could kill any yet revealed angel type (barring Lucifer and probably the other archangels), seeing as Castiel was sure it would work, and wasn't too weary about the possibility of wasting bullets. Then again, maybe Cas was just desperate, seeing as just two episodes back, he said the thought of killing Lucifer was impossible. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:20 PM, January 8th 2014