User talk:SeraphLucifer

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the User blog:EmpyreanSmoke/Supernatural Q&A page. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help you with anything! Also note that we are in the process of converting articles written in the present tense to the past tense. So you are welcome to edit any such article you come across. Once again, Welcome! Twilight Despair 5 (talk) 07:49, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Dont argue about what you think is stronger in the article. If it was specifically shown in the show, then put it but dont guess and dont argue about it in the article. The fact that you thin it might be possible or unlikely should mean we dont actually now what can really be true and it shouldnt be in article. --SPNfan7908 (talk) 22:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Archangels vs Leviathans
I recognized that you deleted Eve and leviathans from the archangel pages. While I tend to say archangels in their true form can't be killed by anyone besides God or The Darkness, I fully support to add Leviathans as a weakness to the archangel pages, which doesn't mean a leviathan would always win against them, (as I said the archangels know a lot of spells that could probably very well be dangerous for even higher leviathans, for example set them into a coma, ...) it just means that Leviathans could kill them. As there is no consensus on that topic, I think it would be the best to collect all the arguments from the weaknesses blog and add them to the pages. It would satisfy both sides and hopefully prevent further edit warring. After a long discussion, we were unable to achieve a consensus and according to this wikia policy "The topic has been open for a long period of time and the discussion has reached a standstill with no sign of consensus forming. The topic should be closed, on a basis of no consensus." We should close the topic on a basis of no consensus. Lambda1 (talk) 16:13, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Send me links
Send me links of the people, I'll decide from there what to do. Thank you, for bring this to me.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:10, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Ok not about what you messaged me from earlier. This message isn't about language changes or trolls. But Death was clear. Lucifer passed the Mark to Cain. Lucifer didn't have it in season 5. If he did no point for Michael to fight him. Even being as the good son. Lucifer would just come back. Their was only one Mark. It was undone by the spell. When Death said share he meant pass to someone else. As it was the Darkness' seal. So the owner of the Mark can give it to others. It was never copied. Now it's effects do last past it. Hence why Cain when killer crazy in season 10.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 03:42, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'll think about the Super Strength page. But about the Mark it was GIVEN to Deab. This isn't speculation. First off, if it was just copied Cain would have come back to life even killed from the first blade. As Death said (nothing) can kill the holder of the first curse. Also, yes Cain was back under its influence but he had the mark for thousands of years. Cain made the first blade he still could tap into its part a bit. But ultimately Dean was the current holder at that time. There has only ever been one mark, it was never copied. There are many counts of it being told it was passed from Lucifer-to-Cain-to-Dean.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 14:08, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Ok explain this. Why did the spell to remove the mark only affect Dean? By your logic it it should have to been removed from all the holders both current and previous. The spell needed parts of the holder. Rowena used some of his hair to break the curse of the Mark. Cain might have regain the Mark as a reflect affect of holding the Blade. He was a demon made while holding the mark they didn't use any part of Lucifer or Cain in the spell. Dean was a human at that time. Cain might be able to be influence or share its power with the holder, if he gets his hands on the blade. But there is only one OWNER of the mark at a time.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 19:34, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Forgot to sign, you last point. There is evidence Cain could tap into the Marks power to fuel the Blade's power while he held it. But, forums and the like are not to influence canon info here if they aren't from cast or crew. As of now the mark has only been transferred not copied and will be listed as such in articles. Until proven wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also to prove my point. Death said he could remove (the) Mark, but to give it to someone else to keep the Darkness banned. He wouldn't have cared if Dean's was only a copy as breaking the copy wouldn't logically break the seal of the cage of the Darkness. Also it could something as simple as production error on giving Cain the mark on 10x14.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 22:03, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

I reviewed and I am opting to keep it the same.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:12, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

It's to late!
That is it Seraph Lucifer! I've told you to stop it but you refuse! You're worse than Abdelfadeel himself! Unlike you, When Abdelfadeel edits, it's without bias, and with arguments. You don't want to discuss this like a rational human being! I'm done.

172.101.67.105 22:09, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

OK. SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Knights and Archangels
Please stop reverting the Invulnerability page, as there is nothing suggesting the archangels can kill knights of hell. The lore states that the archangels needed the first blade to kill them, so this is actually evidence against your statement. Try not to revert things over 3 times in the future; talk it out on the talk pages. Thanks. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 22:46, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Alright boss SeraphLucifer (talk) 22:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

It was actually on the indestructablity page.

Issues
Man, you really have some issues! Just because somone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you or are out to get you. They just disagree wuth you dude. No need to get offense man. Just chill out. 172.101.67.105 02:06, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Death II
Don't worry, I deleted the page. EmpyreanSmoke (talk) 00:12, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Response
Don't know if your watching my page but my response to you is there. Also, this message was left about you on an Adminstrator's talk page so your pissing other people off, not just me:

"I am having problems with the user known as SeraphLucifer. He broke the three revert rule. He keeps adding non-cannon information. He keeps saying Archangels can kill knights of hell. He doesn't even say possibly, to imply they possibly can, yet leaving the possibility they can't. He is saying they can for certain even though we've never seen a knight of hell be killed by anything but the 1st blade. I've repeatedly warned him to stop and put my reasoning for it . He refuses and just undoes my edits without argument whatsoever. His only argument, was something along the lines of "In the lore it says the archangels could kill them."

There are two major problems with this argument. The first being: the lore greatly differs from the show. For example Lucifer is a Cherub in the lore and Michael is a seraph. Yet, in the show, both are archangels. This is just one of many differences.

Number 2: Even if we do give him the benefit of the doubt. The Knights were created by the writers purely for plot. Their is absolutely no lore on The Knights whatsoever. So that's obviously a lie.

Please ban him as it is corrupting the wikia. Thank you."

Not very encouraging to have someone asking an Administrator to do that dude. That's not me either.--WarGrowlmon18 (talk) 20:40, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Apology
Hey SeraphLucifer, I want to apologize for everything I said to you and my behavior torwards you. I had no right to say any of that and that was very rude of me. I was being very stubborn and rude.

Its k pal. SeraphLucifer (talk) 18:06, November 17, 2015 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

Computer.
Hey man! what happened to your computer?

Not online as much.
Hey man! What happened to your computer? Are you getting a new one? 168.169.25.92 05:37, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Good for you man! How'd your laptop explode anyways? 168.169.25.92 23:53, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

My Conversion page
Hi. I'm making a page for the power of Conversion, which I thought this site needed with so many characters of the show displaying it. But I wanted your opinion on it before I published:

Conversion is the power to transform a being into an entirely new and different type of being.

Characters with this power

 * Monsters- Monsters can transform Humans into their respective species by various means, such as bite, venom or blood transfusion.
 * Eve- Eve can transform any human into any monster she wishes with only a touch. She can even transform them into a hybrid species, such as the Jefferson Starships, although it seems that she requires experimentation before perfecting it, as the betas began to die before she mastered it.
 * Demons- Demons can transform human souls into demons through torture.
 * Lucifer- Lucifer created Lilith, the first demon, by torturing and mutilating her soul.

Objects and curses with this effect

 * Mark of Cain- Upon the death of the bearer, the mark resurrects them while transforming their soul into a Knight of Hell.

Spells and rituals with this effect

 * Demon Curing Ritual- This ritual can convert a demon back into becoming human again.

What do you think? Gabriel456 (talk) 18:48, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, thanks :) Gabriel456 (talk) 18:54, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hey
I gave him a last warning, if it moves past blogs this time. I will block him.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:30, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Just doing my admin job. He went from being on the thin edge of the policy page, of what is allowed. To finally breaking it and this time I made sure to make a block worthy of his actions.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:08, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Barricading/Restricting Spell
Hi, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I personally haven't seen the episode featuring the spell. Which would be more appropriate to keep? Also, please always sign your posts on users' walls. Thank you. FTWinchester (talk) 01:40, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

That's okay. It's not a bannable offense LOL. Looking closely into it, the title Barricading spell seems more aptly named. But I agree the content of Restricting page is better. How about I merge them? FTWinchester (talk) 01:49, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Done and done. FTWinchester (talk) 02:01, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Survey
Yeah, not a problem. What do you want to know? RaghavD '"Look into my eyes. It’s where my demons hide"  18:07, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

We have all started with small edits and progressed from there. While your enthusiasm to improve your self is certainly commendable, asking someone else to give their opinion on your edits is not entirely fair. One man's food is another man's poison. What might look to be a minor edit for me, will obviously feel like a substantial one to you, if you have made the edit. I think you are a pretty good judge of how much you have been contributing to the Wiki. Although judging from the various conversations on your talk page, it's better to first air your thoughts on the page's talk page before you make any major changes that upset a lot of users. RaghavD '"I'm a CLASSIC man"  18:28, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Survey
Hi SeraphLucifer, I generally like your edits since you keep them neutral and based on the show's facts. You also added many missing things on the articles, for example information about actors or cross reference to other pages. Even if you disagree on some matter, for example as we had different opinions on the mortality of the horseman Famine, we were able to resolve this in a neutral manner on the talk page, without any major edit warring. Keep doing your good work !

Sorry for my late response, almost forgot you even requested this but I'm not quite sure what your asking? haha. You just want to know how people think your doing? hmm i see you've active quite frequently for the most part and you give positive contributes to the wiki. Bkshadows (talk)

Re: Sorry
It's nothing to apologize for. But do sign your messages in the future. RaghavD "I'm a CLASSIC man"  13:49, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Assbutt
What do you mean it was Castiel? Each time I listen to it, it was Dean who shouted "Assbutt". Are you sure you're right? Kajune (talk) 22:57, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Good news
I think you dislike this as much as I do, so here: http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Blaziken_rjcf?diff=178799&oldid=178486

Let's get to work.

Orion ( T - B -C) 18:39, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

From your edits, it struck me that you dislike speculation on wikis as much as I do. However, this wiki is riddled with "X can possibly hurt/kill/imprison Y", or "It's likely X did this because ____", which are fan speculation. I believed this was allowed on this wiki, but recently got the confirmation that it's not (in the link above). You've expressed a desire to help the wiki, so I thought it would benefit the wiki to share the good news with you.

Orion ( T - B -C) 14:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Cain as a Knight of Hell
Cain said it himself when he explained the truth behind what he'd done to Abel. IIRC, it was something like this:

"And so, I killed Abel. Became a soldier of Hell. A Knight."

Orion ( T - B -C) 21:33, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Ban request
Done and done. Thank you for your participation and for the well-wishes. I wish you the same. FTWinchester (talk) 21:51, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Research is required. Because if I remember right the actor of Gabriel said he was alive.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:38, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Gabriel
I've been trying to stay out of it, but sure:

If a writer says something, and we have no reason to doubt them, then that's that. We (fans) do not decide anything about the series, no matter how much some of us wish we could (like the ones who keep vandalizing specific characters' articles, presumably in a bizarre attempt to make their fantasies come true). The writer's word is the ultimate authority, because it is they who create canon. Some fans may claim they "don't consider" certain events in any given series to be canon, but their opinions are irrelevant to actual canon.

With that in mind, because this confirmation came from the actor, and not a writer, it might not be so reliable. As you mentioned, Mark said something similar about Crowley, which wasn't true.

Orion ( T - B -C) 20:57, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Category
Hello, do you know how to remove a page from a particular category? There are a handful of pages in the Stub category that aren't actually stubs anymore. Kajune (talk) 14:58, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Bobby Singer
Why did you change Bobby's profile picture? I felt the other one was nice and big and clear. This one is small and dark and it's Bobby as a spirit isn't it? Kajune (talk) 09:23, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

I gave them, two days to show me creditable links or articles proving he is alive. If nothing changes I will change it back.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:53, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Profile Pictures
I really really really think you shouldn't worry too much about how old or new the picture is. It's supposed to represent the general appearance of the character. The newest image of a character may not even be good, and really, Lucifer!Nick's and Bobby's are not, compared to their originals. In my honest opinion, both are better off with the originals. I mean, Bobby's one showed his whole body, full appearance, and it was a brilliant choice. If you worry about time, then add the latest image near the episode it came from. Do you agree? Kajune (talk) 14:42, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Knights of Hell
Cain was the one to recruit and make the Knights. But the Knights are both a group and a separate species of demons.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:22, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

It has been stated at least the articles here, the Mari of Cain is he source of the Knights of Hell. Like a Knights is a crossroad demon. A group of separate species of demons. And what you mean by Hope I'm ok?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:31, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Well thank you for that. :)&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:36, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

You looking to be an admin, or something?&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:10, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 04:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Horsemen
I'm checking them now.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:08, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Done. I removed the "possibly"'s from their weaknesses, the unconfirmed relative ages and origins, cut down on the Powers and Abilities sections by removing redundant or excessive information, and removed comparisons to other characters (which is irrelevant to their individual powers and just serves as aggrandizement of those other characters).

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:56, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

RE: A small favor
Sure. I'll keep an eye out.

Orion ( T - B -C) 08:16, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

RE: God's Sexual choice
Hey, I'm having fun. He knows he's wrong, but he's doing it because he can't separate his personal beliefs from TV. I find that sort of behavior hilarious, albeit indicative of psychosis. Besides, like I said, brings up my edit count.

Seriously though, it's my firm belief that vandalism must be fought until the admins stop it permanently.

PS: It's not a choice.

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:42, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Given that I'm not looking to become an admin, that just seems like a waste. However, someone who might have an inclination toward that position might want to revert it themselves, if you know what I mean...

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:47, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Coroner
Hello, this is kind of a random question, but do you think a coroner or a coroner's assistant counts as a doctor or a nurse? I added a coroner's assistant, Eddie, to the category of "doctors and nurses". Is that alright? Kajune (talk) 15:02, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Admins
Well, I was trying to not-so-subtly imply in an earlier message that I thought you had such inclinations, and thought you should pursue adminship. As far as an election goes, I don't see why not.

Orion ( T - B -C) 17:46, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

If you don't try it at least once, you'll never know how good (or bad) you are at it.

Orion ( T - B -C) 17:53, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Admin nomination
Hey SeraphLucifer, I am fine, thanks for the kind words. I don't want to be an admin on this wiki, my home wiki is wikipedia - I try to contribute here after every main arc episode, but I simply can't guarantee to fulfill the job properly due to time constraints. I initially wanted to nominate you until I saw the message about your health issues on your page. I would still nominate you, I like your edits, your argumentation is objective and neutral. So get well soon, I would support your adminship. Lambda1 (talk) 18:16, May 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope you get better soon ! If you don't want to run for adminship, I suggest to inform the wikia spam task force http://vstf.wikia.com/wiki/Report:Vandalism in order to report vandalism. I used it multiple times, they normally react within 15-20 minutes. Lambda1 (talk) 19:27, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * I am active at least weekly. I do have a 40 plus hour fulltime career job so I try to do edit at least some during the week.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 00:42, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Like when I was in college I was on Wikia sites daily. Can't now. But as I am admin here I try to block trouble makers, fix vandalism, settle arguments etc at least 2-3 times a week.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:38, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Amara's prison
Have a question for ya, one I'll bring up to the admins, too. In last night's episode, All in the Family, Chuck/God said that he'd make a deal with Amara/the Darkness to lock him away if she'd spare his creations. So, here's what I was wondering, do you think he was talking about the prison he trapped her in? If so, we should make a page on it, then. -- Thescarypea, 4:03 AM, May 12th 2016

Magic
Yes I locked the page, till I can make correction later today. Also God Power I think it should stay, as its canon. It's a supernatural power unique to only God and Amara. Also the trivia bit about the Mark of Cain. A. Metatron called it God level magic. B. Many have called it the First Curse.&#91;&#91;User:Twilight Despair 5&#124;&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;The God of Creation&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:33, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Zachariah
Michael "fired" him, as in, he lost his job, not his right to enter Heaven. There's a difference. Also, it wasn't explicitly stated that Zachariah was banished from Heaven like Castiel or Lucifer. Even if he was, in that very same episode, he was forgiven for his failure and got his job back, as I quote, "Back in business, boys." Kajune (talk) 07:07, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Death's claims regarding God
I swear, this only happens because it's God. If Death said he could kill his siblings, it'd be on their pages without "possibly"'s or any of that other BS.

Death said he would reap God. There is absolutely no reason to doubt his statement. That's what should be on God's article; not "Death claimed he would reap God", or "Death believed he could die".

Orion ( T - B -C) 13:14, May 16, 2016 (UTC)